Wasn't that long ago that watching a DVD on a Plasma with 5.1...

[FKAri]

was the shit.

Now some people can't be arsed unless it's 4KUHD OLED with Dolby Vision (not that crappy HDR10), Atmos sound and voice activated playback controls on an Nvidia shield connected to a NAS running plex.

[snip]

[highwhey]

i remember being obsessed with 4k hdr too. bought an lg 65" 4k oled...wasn't enough, so i bought an xbox 1 accompanied by blu ray discs. planet earth 2 on 4k blu ray is the most amazing high quality television i've watched (not content wise, just production).

anyways, it's overrated. i sold my xbox and idk where my blu rays are. give me a 1080p feed with good bit rate.

although 4k streaming from amazon is pretty good. manchester by the sea looked good in 4k

[Hawker]

Haven't bought a TV since 2011. I just use whatever's left over in whatever place I move into.

Plug in my AppleTV and call it good. :lol

[bullettooth]

Heh, I've got a surround sound system, regular 1080p Sony TV @ 48inches plus a small subwoofer. And yes, I do use an Nvidia Shield with Plex. For my condo, it's perfect. Don't feel like I need anything better.

My parents are renovating one of the rooms in their house, I'm trying to get my dad to upgrade his old 42" Samsung from about 10 years ago to a 65" 4K screen.

[FKAri]

i remember being obsessed with 4k hdr too. bought an lg 65" 4k oled...wasn't enough, so i bought an xbox 1 accompanied by blu ray discs. planet earth 2 on 4k blu ray is the most amazing high quality television i've watched (not content wise, just production).

anyways, it's overrated. i sold my xbox and idk where my blu rays are. give me a 1080p feed with good bit rate.

although 4k streaming from amazon is pretty good. manchester by the sea looked good in 4k
It's an unending cycle. You get used to it and then all you're left with is not being satisfied by anything less. The worst kind of investment.

Heh, I've got a surround sound system, regular 1080p Sony TV @ 48inches plus a small subwoofer. And yes, I do use an Nvidia Shield with Plex. For my condo, it's perfect. Don't feel like I need anything better.

My parents are renovating one of the rooms in their house, I'm trying to get my dad to upgrade his old 42" Samsung from about 10 years ago to a 65" 4K screen.
So many standards in the market right now. It's a cluster****. I'd still be happy with my old 1080p 40'' but I'm not single anymore. I'm a minimalist. I don't like spending on entertainment unless it's travel and new experiences. The less comforts one's accustomed to the better. But I sure as hell do love wasting time in on ISH these days :oldlol:

[highwhey]

It's an unending cycle. You get used to it and then all you're left with is not being satisfied by anything less. The worst kind of investment.
yep. especially bc there isn't enough 4k content. hbo doesn't air their shows in 4k, netflix does tho. still, most networks or streaming services don't (as far as i know).

not worth it.

[FKAri]

yep. especially bc there isn't enough 4k content. hbo doesn't air their shows in 4k, netflix does tho. still, most networks or streaming services don't (as far as i know).

not worth it.
and the dumbest thing is when people say "oh the providers just haven't caught up but buying this will make you future proof". I'm sure all those dudes with 3D sets probably agree. The tech formats are so flaky right now that they could go off on some tangent and your TV's special HDR or sound formats are useless. Betamax vs VHS was less messy than this.

[highwhey]

and the dumbest thing is when people say "oh the providers just haven't caught up but buying this will make you future proof". I'm sure all those dudes with 3D sets probably agree. The tech formats are so flaky right now that they could go off on some tangent and your TV's special HDR or sound formats are useless. Betamax vs VHS was less messy than this.
:lol i still remember the brief war of HD-DVD vs Bluray

[jstern]

I don't remember ever liking watching a DVD on a Plasma (42 inches). With modern monitors, if the source is not native resolution then the quality looks like shit.

I do remember appreciating the quality of DVDs on a SD television, back in 1999. The whole technology was just a major step up from VHS. Now it's crap.

[Draz]

I'm still using an HD 1080p 65" from 2009-2010 I believe.

Shit shows great but my friend when coming over says I need to upgrade. I think spectrum sucks. When I had fios it showed beautiful.

I'll consider upgrading the TV perhaps soon but where df imma put this TV at? We already have throughout the house and I can't put 65" in my room.

I had surround sound but two of the wires won't work. Purchased an open box mint condition LG 2.1 a few weeks ago and it's awesome.

Are streamed 4k content even 100% 4k quality anyways? I would think it's like how 1080i is to 1080p if streamed

[JohnnySic]

My tv is from around 2010, whatever it is. Looks fine to me. :confusedshrug:
Only sheeple need the latest stuff to "keep up".

[tomtucker]

does not matter when TV and movies are bullshit compared to the 90 and 00's

picture quality is not everything,

look at the new terminator ffs

[bullettooth]

So many standards in the market right now. It's a cluster****. I'd still be happy with my old 1080p 40'' but I'm not single anymore. I'm a minimalist. I don't like spending on entertainment unless it's travel and new experiences. The less comforts one's accustomed to the better. But I sure as hell do love wasting time in on ISH these days :oldlol:

I've got a pretty fast PC, what I do is download all my content and then run it through a compressor (Handbrake) and put all my movies and tv shows on external hard drives. Everything I own is encoded with h264 for video and AC-3 for audio in an MP4 container. After that I run the files through an automated tagger that fills in the ID3 tags which brings in all the info about an episode or movie, including the cover art (which displays really nicely when browsing the files). In the end, my 1080p movies average out to about 4gb per file with very little loss of detail from original Bluray content. You won't notice it in real time.

I know this sounds incredibly tedious; and it is.... but my library is pristine and essentially compatible with everything. I can take the files and play them back on basically any device.

However, I let Plex manage everything and have my Nvidia Shield TV do the playback on TV.

I have a couple movies in 4k; The Matrix and Bumblebee. You can definitely tell the extra detail in the image even on a 1080p screen. Too bad though, cuz the file sizes are nuts (20gb file for Matrix and 16gb for Bumblebee).

The TV i've got is from 2014; paid about $500 for it. No complaints. I don't see myself upgrading to 4k or anything until OLED TVs or MicroLED becomes affordable. I'm NOT paying several thousand just for a TV. The whole HDR shit also annoys me as I really don't understand it; so it displays more colours. Isn't that just a 10bit or 12bit display or whatever? Apparently it's more than that but it's confusing.

As for sound; yeah, used to be 5.1 (AC-3 format) now there's Atmos, DTS-X, etc. And even if you go all out on a 7+ channel setup, MOST movies aren't recorded for 7 channels anyway so it's mostly a useless upgrade. Thank god though; speakers are essentially a one time purchase.

[jstern]

I've got a pretty fast PC, what I do is download all my content and then run it through a compressor (Handbrake) and put all my movies and tv shows on external hard drives. Everything I own is encoded with h264 for video and AC-3 for audio in an MP4 container. After that I run the files through an automated tagger that fills in the ID3 tags which brings in all the info about an episode or movie, including the cover art (which displays really nicely when browsing the files). In the end, my 1080p movies average out to about 4gb per file with very little loss of detail from original Bluray content. You won't notice it in real time.

I know this sounds incredibly tedious; and it is.... but my library is pristine and essentially compatible with everything. I can take the files and play them back on basically any device.

However, I let Plex manage everything and have my Nvidia Shield TV do the playback on TV.

I have a couple movies in 4k; The Matrix and Bumblebee. You can definitely tell the extra detail in the image even on a 1080p screen. Too bad though, cuz the file sizes are nuts (20gb file for Matrix and 16gb for Bumblebee).

The TV i've got is from 2014; paid about $500 for it. No complaints. I don't see myself upgrading to 4k or anything until OLED TVs or MicroLED becomes affordable. I'm NOT paying several thousand just for a TV. The whole HDR shit also annoys me as I really don't understand it; so it displays more colours. Isn't that just a 10bit or 12bit display or whatever? Apparently it's more than that but it's confusing.

As for sound; yeah, used to be 5.1 (AC-3 format) now there's Atmos, DTS-X, etc. And even if you go all out on a 7+ channel setup, MOST movies aren't recorded for 7 channels anyway so it's mostly a useless upgrade. Thank god though; speakers are essentially a one time purchase.

I pretty much stopped encoding videos because I was always waiting for the next best thing, and then hard drive space became so cheap. A 60gb video file now didn't feel as insane as it once did.

I didn't want to do all that work and then have a less efficient mp4 codec being pushed out. So I waited for HEVC, and then I started waiting for AV1 which seemed more promising.

Have you checked out the av1 codec? It's pretty awesome.

Here's basically the only sample that I could find. https://www.dropbox.com/s/4qkewk4k6aja8nn/j.mkv?dl=1

I'll leave it up for a couple of hours. You'll need to have updated codecs to watch it, or use the latest version of VLC.

But it's a 1080p video, 23:44 minutes long at 42.2 megabytes. Of course it's animation, so that should use up less space. The video without the audio is 30.6 megabytes.

Or check this video out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXb3EKWsInQ

The 1080p video by itself as an av1 file is 72.8 megabytes, and the mp4 version is 163 megabytes. Both at 60 frames per second. (The 30 frames per second mp4 is 103 megabytes.)

Might as well add the video (don't feel like adding in the audio).

https://www.dropbox.com/s/l730vwd0y99whke/av1.mp4?dl=1

[bullettooth]

I pretty much stopped encoding videos because I was always waiting for the next best thing, and then hard drive space became so cheap. A 60gb video file now didn't feel as insane as it once did.

I didn't want to do all that work and then have a less efficient mp4 codec being pushed out. So I waited for HEVC, and then I started waiting for AV1 which seemed more promising.

Have you checked out the av1 codec? It's pretty awesome.

Here's basically the only sample that I could find. https://www.dropbox.com/s/4qkewk4k6aja8nn/j.mkv?dl=1

I'll leave it up for a couple of hours. You'll need to have updated codecs to watch it, or use the latest version of VLC.

But it's a 1080p video, 23:44 minutes long at 42.2 megabytes. Of course it's animation, so that should use up less space. The video without the audio is 30.6 megabytes.

Or check this video out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXb3EKWsInQ

The 1080p video by itself as an av1 file is 72.8 megabytes, and the mp4 version is 163 megabytes. Both at 60 frames per second. (The 30 frames per second mp4 is 103 megabytes.)

Might as well add the video (don't feel like adding in the audio).

https://www.dropbox.com/s/l730vwd0y99whke/av1.mp4?dl=1

Holy ****, that is incredible. I thought h265 was supposed to be this good; I've tested encodes in Handbrake and it's overrated.

How are encoding times for AV1? Do they take forever?

[jstern]

Holy ****, that is incredible. I thought h265 was supposed to be this good; I've tested encodes in Handbrake and it's overrated.

How are encoding times for AV1? Do they take forever?

Encoding time initially took forever. Here's the first release.

https://dzceab466r34n.cloudfront.net/Images/ArticleImages/InlineImages/122180-AV1-Table_1-ORG.jpg

And this is from March.

https://dzceab466r34n.cloudfront.net/Images/ArticleImages/InlineImages/122181-AV1-Table_2-ORG.jpg

So initially 12,560 longer than an mp4, but in March it was reduced to 41 times longer. This is without hardware acceleration, which is due to come out soon on GPUs, CPUs, and so on.

YouTube started encoding in AV1, but you have to enable it here https://www.youtube.com/testtube.

For now they mainly only do it for 480p videos. If you click on always prefer AV1 videos, then if a video that you click on is encoded with AV1, then it's going to play in 480p and not 1080p.

When it was in beta they did have a lot of 1080p AV1 videos, here's their playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyqf6gJt7KuHBmeVzZteZUlNUQAVLwrZS

Though they were purposefully encoded at a higher bit rate, from what I remember reading. Then plan is to replace mp4 as the default and save bandwidth.

[bullettooth]

Encoding time initially took forever. Here's the first release.

https://dzceab466r34n.cloudfront.net/Images/ArticleImages/InlineImages/122180-AV1-Table_1-ORG.jpg

And this is from March.

https://dzceab466r34n.cloudfront.net/Images/ArticleImages/InlineImages/122181-AV1-Table_2-ORG.jpg

So initially 12,560 longer than an mp4, but in March it was reduced to 41 times longer. This is without hardware acceleration, which is due to come out soon on GPUs, CPUs, and so on.

YouTube started encoding in AV1, but you have to enable it here https://www.youtube.com/testtube.

For now they mainly only do it for 480p videos. If you click on always prefer AV1 videos, then if a video that you click on is encoded with AV1, then it's going to play in 480p and not 1080p.

When it was in beta they did have a lot of 1080p AV1 videos, here's their playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyqf6gJt7KuHBmeVzZteZUlNUQAVLwrZS

Though they were purposefully encoded at a higher bit rate, from what I remember reading. Then plan is to replace mp4 as the default and save bandwidth.

Jesus christ... Not really worth the effort for the time being. You'd need a Ryzen 2950x or a 2080ti for this to make sense... or a combo of both (is that possible, that both CPU and GPU encode a movie at the same time?)

[dazzer87]

I've got a pretty fast PC, what I do is download all my content and then run it through a compressor (Handbrake) and put all my movies and tv shows on external hard drives. Everything I own is encoded with h264 for video and AC-3 for audio in an MP4 container. After that I run the files through an automated tagger that fills in the ID3 tags which brings in all the info about an episode or movie, including the cover art (which displays really nicely when browsing the files). In the end, my 1080p movies average out to about 4gb per file with very little loss of detail from original Bluray content. You won't notice it in real time.

I know this sounds incredibly tedious; and it is.... but my library is pristine and essentially compatible with everything. I can take the files and play them back on basically any device.

However, I let Plex manage everything and have my Nvidia Shield TV do the playback on TV.

I have a couple movies in 4k; The Matrix and Bumblebee. You can definitely tell the extra detail in the image even on a 1080p screen. Too bad though, cuz the file sizes are nuts (20gb file for Matrix and 16gb for Bumblebee).

The TV i've got is from 2014; paid about $500 for it. No complaints. I don't see myself upgrading to 4k or anything until OLED TVs or MicroLED becomes affordable. I'm NOT paying several thousand just for a TV. The whole HDR shit also annoys me as I really don't understand it; so it displays more colours. Isn't that just a 10bit or 12bit display or whatever? Apparently it's more than that but it's confusing.

As for sound; yeah, used to be 5.1 (AC-3 format) now there's Atmos, DTS-X, etc. And even if you go all out on a 7+ channel setup, MOST movies aren't recorded for 7 channels anyway so it's mostly a useless upgrade. Thank god though; speakers are essentially a one time purchase.
With how cheap hard drives are why compress the video file with Handbrake. Its a waste of time. and the pq probably trash too. 1:1 rip and throw it up on Kodi.

[bullettooth]

With how cheap hard drives are why compress the video file with Handbrake. Its a waste of time. and the pq probably trash too. 1:1 rip and throw it up on Kodi.

I have a ton of movies and the picture quality is excellent. The settings in Handbrake I use are tweaked like crazy. I can upload some screenshots later with a comparison between bluray and my compressed files. The picture quality to file size ratio makes it well worth it; you will more than likely not see any difference at all between the bluray rip and my compressed files. To give you an idea, my files come out smaller than the Amazon / Netflix webrips but much better in picture quality. If there was a half way point between Bluray and Webrip, my files are close to Bluray. Like I said earlier, a 1920x1080 2 hour movie averages out to about 4gb in file size. That's damn small.

If I had to use uncompressed or the regular rips off of you know what sources, I'd max out an 8tb drive, easily. I like having all my movies on a single 2.5" external drive (5TB) with plenty of space left over. This way I can easily take the drive with me anywhere and share them when I visit my parents and sister, coworkers or friends. Sure a NAS would be great, but I don't care for the hassle. Also; accessing the small files I have is MUCH faster than some giant sized 30gb file. Also, no transcoding needed through remote playback via Plex!

[jstern]

Jesus christ... Not really worth the effort for the time being. You'd need a Ryzen 2950x or a 2080ti for this to make sense... or a combo of both (is that possible, that both CPU and GPU encode a movie at the same time?)

No, not at the same time.

Popular video formats get CPU and GPUs support from Intel, AMD, ARM, etc. For example, if you were to play an mp4 on a computer that came out 6 months before hardware support, then it's going to struggle. Unless you buy a PCI card meant to decode/encode it.

I'm mostly excited about down loading YouTube videos that I might like.

[bullettooth]

No, not at the same time.

Popular video formats get CPU and GPUs support from Intel, AMD, ARM, etc. For example, if you were to play an mp4 on a computer that came out 6 months before hardware support, then it's going to struggle. Unless you buy a PCI card meant to decode/encode it.

I'm mostly excited about down loading YouTube videos that I might like.

Does Netflix or any other streaming service intend on using the format? Would help greatly with their servers i'm sure but also everyone streaming stuff; quick download times, less buffering, less bandwidth usage, etc.

[dazzer87]

I have a ton of movies and the picture quality is excellent. The settings in Handbrake I use are tweaked like crazy. I can upload some screenshots later with a comparison between bluray and my compressed files. The picture quality to file size ratio makes it well worth it; you will more than likely not see any difference at all between the bluray rip and my compressed files. To give you an idea, my files come out smaller than the Amazon / Netflix webrips but much better in picture quality. If there was a half way point between Bluray and Webrip, my files are close to Bluray. Like I said earlier, a 1920x1080 2 hour movie averages out to about 4gb in file size. That's damn small.

If I had to use uncompressed or the regular rips off of you know what sources, I'd max out an 8tb drive, easily. I like having all my movies on a single 2.5" external drive (5TB) with plenty of space left over. This way I can easily take the drive with me anywhere and share them when I visit my parents and sister, coworkers or friends. Sure a NAS would be great, but I don't care for the hassle. Also; accessing the small files I have is MUCH faster than some giant sized 30gb file. Also, no transcoding needed through remote playback via Plex!
Well it depends on the display...Yeah maybe with a display that is "70 or smaller and depends on how far you sit too......
Im so glad all my movies are 1:1 rip cause I ended up moving to a projector from my 65". GoT on HBO vs bluray there is a big difference in pq. On the audio side netflix, amazon and hbo cant compare to what you could get off a disc.

[bullettooth]

Well it depends on the display...Yeah maybe with a display that is "70 or smaller and depends on how far you sit too......
Im so glad all my movies are 1:1 rip cause I ended up moving to a projector from my 65". GoT on HBO vs bluray there is a big difference in pq. On the audio side netflix, amazon and hbo cant compare to what you could get off a disc.

I actually have a few files on me (I'm at work);

Home Alone 2, ripped from a low compression rip:
https://i.imgur.com/nHIh1fK.jpg

Chernobyl (the miniseries), compressed from the AMZN webrips:
https://i.imgur.com/NO955FT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/azGUQyL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9MBuC6o.jpg

IMGUR doesn't allow PNG uploads, so these will have to do (JPG compression), but you can tell the quality is damn good. Movies with a lot of grain (like Home Alone 2) will compres a bit weird since the grain moves in every frame... hard to compress but you won't notice it once the movie plays.

To be fair though, if you've got a 70+ inch screen, you best be sitting far away enough and at minimum be displaying 1080p content... at that size, you're bound to see loss of quality. 4k content will easily alleviate that though.

[jstern]

Does Netflix or any other streaming service intend on using the format? Would help greatly with their servers i'm sure but also everyone streaming stuff; quick download times, less buffering, less bandwidth usage, etc.

Yes, I was going to mention NetFlix in my previous post. And Facebook.

These are the companies involved.

https://s.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/93c776a033f95286136a549d1e093234/206252358/10_AOMedia_Coming_Soon_to_a_Screen_Near_You.jpg

I feel like a spokesperson.

[bullettooth]

Yes, I was going to mention NetFlix in my previous post. And Facebook.

These are the companies involved.

https://s.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/93c776a033f95286136a549d1e093234/206252358/10_AOMedia_Coming_Soon_to_a_Screen_Near_You.jpg

I feel like a spokesperson.

Nice! Think they can make more tweaks to the encoding/decoding to get efficiency anywhere near H264?

[egokiller]

and the dumbest thing is when people say "oh the providers just haven't caught up but buying this will make you future proof". I'm sure all those dudes with 3D sets probably agree. The tech formats are so flaky right now that they could go off on some tangent and your TV's special HDR or sound formats are useless. Betamax vs VHS was less messy than this.

I remember going to the movie rental store and every movie had a VHS and a beta version next to it. :lol

These days you have 4k UHD discs being sold that weren't even filmed in true 4k.

[jstern]

Nice! Think they can make more tweaks to the encoding/decoding to get efficiency anywhere near H264?

There will be improvements, specially with hardware acceleration. But it's never going to equal h264. The extra processing power is what makes such compression.

There's a successor to HEVC that is expected to come out in a few years. But I doubt it will have the backing of AV1.

The Chinese are also making one. They have over a Billion people.