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Dr Seuss
05-29-2019, 12:51 PM
:lol

How does one move the unmovable? stay tuned.

Vino24
05-29-2019, 12:53 PM
Welcome to the Lakers :banana: :banana:

Phoenix
05-29-2019, 01:01 PM
Anyone want a 34 year declining star guard earning 40 million a year? :hammerhead:

Brujesino
05-29-2019, 01:03 PM
I thought about who could get CP3 the only thing that kinda sort of makes sense to me is a Wall for CP3 deal.

bluechox2
05-29-2019, 01:04 PM
lakers finally getting cp3...

Vino24
05-29-2019, 01:05 PM
lakers finally getting cp3...
:lol

Proctor
05-29-2019, 01:07 PM
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Rockets...

bison
05-29-2019, 01:11 PM
Buyers remorse.

Imagine if the Rockets had trez, lou will and patrick beverly these playoffs instead of Chris Pause

warriorfan
05-29-2019, 01:21 PM
Buyers remorse.

Imagine if the Rockets had trez, lou will and patrick beverly these playoffs instead of Chris Pause

Damn

Im so nba'd out
05-29-2019, 01:33 PM
TRADE EVERYONE EXCEPT EMBIID FOR HARDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THEY WILL DO IT IF YOU MAKE IT SWEET ENOUGH!


GET BEN SIMMONS THE ****...OUT OF HERE! https://media.tenor.com/images/b8349dd14fa6fc6d2cb753b80fe4f4cb/tenor.gif

dazzer87
05-29-2019, 02:00 PM
LOL....nobody wants that contract from cp0.....................This for a dude that never made it past the Conf Finals........
Age:
33 $35,654,150
34 $38,506,482
35 $41,358,814
36 $44,211,146

And1AllDay
05-29-2019, 02:08 PM
Welcome to the Lakers :banana: :banana:


Round 2 :pimp:

Xiao Yao You
05-29-2019, 02:14 PM
sure there will be plenty of interest in Capela

Grey Dawn
05-29-2019, 02:40 PM
Haha, Chris Fall is poop.

sportjames23
05-29-2019, 02:40 PM
Who will be CP3

Embers
05-29-2019, 03:00 PM
Only teams who can take CP3s contract would be Phoenix or Dallas. I can't see Dallas being interested. I reckon Suns would make sense. A Tyler Johnson/TJ Warren for CP3 deal could work for all

Kblaze8855
05-29-2019, 03:33 PM
You need to look at the new salary cap projections if you think teams can

Real14
05-29-2019, 03:49 PM
Knicks need a Capela to play with Durant and Irving.

Xiao Yao You
05-29-2019, 03:50 PM
The Knicks make sense after the players they want go to the Nets

Haymaker
05-29-2019, 03:56 PM
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]You need to look at the new salary cap projections if you think teams can

Spurs m8
05-29-2019, 04:40 PM
This is awesome

Kblaze8855
05-29-2019, 04:48 PM
This is not even about money, it's about CP3 being obsolete and a hindrance to any team that adds him. He's a bad locker room presence, is over the hill and injury prone. :oldlol:

This is another of those situations where people make declined out to be bad because it

dazzer87
05-29-2019, 04:51 PM
cp0 for ball. Get it done Kurt.

Celtics 1825
05-29-2019, 05:02 PM
Shouldn't have given him that massive contract. They made their bed and now they gotta lay in it.

highwhey
05-29-2019, 05:10 PM
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]This is another of those situations where people make declined out to be bad because it

Kblaze8855
05-29-2019, 06:04 PM
So I say declined isn

highwhey
05-29-2019, 06:16 PM
you must be confusing me with the kobe retards. i've never claimed lebron was done for.

and i'm not saying cp3 is done, but you're almost advocating for him. he's on an absolute garbage of a contract. the upside of his game is completely negated by his contract, age, and injury history. i would hate if my suns traded for him. the other posted you qouted highlighted the same facts about cp3. of course he can still contribute to a team, but he's a bad buy for the reasons i already mentioned.

i'd rather have conley, he's younger and significantly cheaper with only 2 years remaining.

Locked_Up_Tonight
05-29-2019, 06:24 PM
People may be willing to take on Chris Paul, but it will not be a contending team. There is not a contending team that can take on that much salary for one player. And that said player is on the books for 3 more years.

Oh, and to top off that salary it has been 4 years since he has played over 60 games.....

Loco 50
05-29-2019, 06:27 PM
If Houston manages to deal Paul while the Spurs are unable to move DeRozan I'm going to flip my shit. :mad:

AirFederer
05-29-2019, 06:42 PM
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]So I say declined isn

Kblaze8855
05-29-2019, 06:47 PM
So you are talking about contract when my post was in response to:



This is not even about money, it's about CP3 being obsolete and a hindrance to any team that adds him.

Which is clearly about basketball not money.

Nobody said hes got a good contract.

I said hes got a movable contract for teams that might want him short term and I explained why his contract doesnt matter as much as people think it does. The salary cap is having another explosion.

When the salary floor...the least you can spend...is more than the cap was a couple years ago....you can spend just about whatever. The Knicks are potentially 80 million under the cap and on pace for 100 million under the next year. The Hawks have nothing but 4 team options on the books past next year so they could also pull off 80 million under. They sign back Young and collins then who knows.

Im not saying these teams want chris paul. Im saying....these teams and others can find themselves in situation where paying paul 40 million is just giving it to him instead of breaking it up over the existing players to hit the salary floor.

Its not a dollar and cents real world hit as much as some think it is.

Booker, Warren, Jackson, Ayton, Bridges, plus your pick this year...plus 40 million of chris paul? Youre still 17 million from the cap in 2021. You would be barely hitting the salary floor(obviously adding some end of bench players to make it a full roster).

Take away pauls 40....the owner doesnt keep it all. The players on the roster get an end of year bonus to get them to the salary floor.

Im giving you the reasons why his money isnt "real" in full to some teams with the cap jumping to 107 then 118ish million. The cap difference isnt being really grasped yet. Next season Westbrook and George will combine to make the same salary as the entire 2015 title winning Warriors roster. Al Horford and Gordon Hayward combine to make 6 million less than the Big 3 Heat entire 2011 roster.

40 million is waaaaay too much money for Chris Paul.

Its also way more manageable than you think it is going forward.....which is my whole point.

Short term...that shit is just a number to some of owners who have the spend the same money with or without him.

Kblaze8855
05-29-2019, 07:03 PM
Cut down on the essays. Dude is saying CP3 is on an absolute garbage of a contract which is a fair point.

He’d be good for a tanking team at this stage, but at what cost :facepalm

The floor/minimum rule is plain stupid



Stupid or not its there. He would be at literally no cost to a tanking team.

The Hornets could trade Biyombo, Zeller, and Tony Parker to the Rockets for him and picks...or just Batum and Zeller. Bottom out if Kemba walks. Cost to them for the second trade? Nothing. They would be under the salary floor in year 2 unless they decided to add free agents for good money....and why would they?

Teams can do so much shifting to make the numbers not matter if they want.

All that would happen is someone trades for him....he takes a buyout...he signs with the Lakers or on the cheap with the Knicks if they get 2 non point guards to go there.

How would the Hornets be hurt by that?

They would win 12 games the next 2 years get 2 top picks of their own the rockets late first rounders and his deal would just help them reach the salary floor so they arent paying end of bench guys an extra few million end of 2021.

Teams like that who only take one year of extra salary from him that they would have to pay to the roster anyway.....get a couple firsts....buy him out...he goes where he wants.

Who is the loser?

DMAVS41
05-29-2019, 07:06 PM
People may be willing to take on Chris Paul, but it will not be a contending team. There is not a contending team that can take on that much salary for one player. And that said player is on the books for 3 more years.

Oh, and to top off that salary it has been 4 years since he has played over 60 games.....

Lakers probably would.

Kblaze8855
05-29-2019, 07:11 PM
The Lakers wouldnt have to. Whoever trades for him is gonna buy him out unless its some hail mary half season attempt to keep AD by the Hornets. And if its that he just gets bought out later. Hed end up on the Lakers for nothing.

DMAVS41
05-29-2019, 07:12 PM
Blaze is absolutely right here.

Suns should want him.

Ship Tyler Johnson, Warren, and that disaster of Jackson to the Rockets or something.

Then find a way to draft Hunter.

CP3 and Hunter would make the Suns really interesting next year actually.

DMAVS41
05-29-2019, 07:12 PM
The Lakers wouldnt have to. Whoever trades for him is gonna buy him out unless its some hail mary half season attempt to keep AD by the Hornets. And if its that he just gets bought out later. Hed end up on the Lakers for nothing.

I don't think this is going to be a dump trade.

CP3 is still really good.

Locked_Up_Tonight
05-29-2019, 08:54 PM
Lakers probably would.

Go ahead and give me a trade scenario where the Lakers can match that salary? The Lakers next year, outside of LeBron have NO ONE making over 8 million dollars. And the next highest paid player outside LeBron is Lonzo Ball.

Locked_Up_Tonight
05-29-2019, 08:58 PM
Blaze is absolutely right here.

Suns should want him.

Ship Tyler Johnson, Warren, and that disaster of Jackson to the Rockets or something.

Then find a way to draft Hunter.

CP3 and Hunter would make the Suns really interesting next year actually.

Tyler Johnson can't be traded yet, and they can't match that salary. Outside of Booker and Warren, they have no one making over 10 million......

Xiao Yao You
05-29-2019, 09:01 PM
Can trade players in to cap space which many teams will have

Locked_Up_Tonight
05-29-2019, 09:16 PM
Can trade players in to cap space which many teams will have

Salary cap is 109 million. The teams that are at the bottom of payroll a la the Knicks are trying to acquire top tier max free agents or teams like Dallas who want to keep flexibility when Porzingis and Doncic are due for big money.....

Xiao Yao You
05-29-2019, 09:28 PM
Salary cap is 109 million. The teams that are at the bottom of payroll a la the Knicks are trying to acquire top tier max free agents or teams like Dallas who want to keep flexibility when Porzingis and Doncic are due for big money.....

The Knicks can try all they want. We know when they don't get the guys they want they would be one of the first teams to spend their money on whatever they can get. We've seen it with them time and time again

bobopenguin
05-29-2019, 09:28 PM
40mil. :applause: :applause:

bigkingsfan
05-29-2019, 09:41 PM
Celtics, if they want to remain competitive, trade Hayward. Houston desperately needs a SF and his contract is one year shorter. Celtic have a bunch of guys with rookie contracts, so their upcoming will be a bargain, let Rozier go.

LukeWalton
05-29-2019, 09:57 PM
Brian Horse is saying there is consideration of the following trade

CP3 to Lakers, takes care of massive salary issues

Rockets get Lonzo Ball, another young player either Hart or Kuzma

RealSkipBayless
05-29-2019, 10:04 PM
Brian Horse is saying there is consideration of the following trade

CP3 to Lakers, takes care of massive salary issues

Rockets get Lonzo Ball, another young player either Hart or Kuzma
:roll: :roll: :roll:

fiddy
05-29-2019, 10:18 PM
Brian Horse is saying there is consideration of the following trade

CP3 to Lakers, takes care of massive salary issues

Rockets get Lonzo Ball, another young player either Hart or Kuzma
Someone forgot his meds.

RoseCity07
05-30-2019, 12:23 AM
Blazers would take cp3 if he wants to come off the bench. They gotta take Evan Turner and Meyers Leonard though lmao

LukeWalton
05-30-2019, 12:44 AM
Blazers would take cp3 if he wants to come off the bench. They gotta take Evan Turner and Meyers Leonard though lmao

wow according to ESPN trade machine
this works out. Rockets win/loss doesn't change but Portland loses 3 games.

winwin
05-30-2019, 01:27 AM
lol @ fools ''nobody wants that CP3 contract''

HE WILL BE TRADED, and guess who's paying for that contract?
you fools paying for it.
it's simply money laundering. one of the most popular sports in America is a family and private business. owners earn around $12-30 million per season year.
you fools pay $85 for NBA game ticket.
you fools pay $25 for car parking.
you fools are not allowed to take food and drinks into the game with you.
you fools pay $40 for Two hot dogs and Two beers.

do you fools know that in 2018 alone, Nike's advertising and promotion cost 3.6 billion U.S. dollars?
How much did Nike pay for NBA contract? $1 billion
Nike still pays $110 million to MJ every year, and likely to pay lebron over $1 billion by the time he's 64.
they pay Kevin Durant, Messi, Ronaldo, Federer, Mayweather, McGregor, Serena Williams, and hundreds of athletes.
who's paying? you salves. you pay $200 for very cheap material glued pair of Nikes that cost $7-15.

bladefd
05-30-2019, 01:30 AM
The Lakers wouldnt have to. Whoever trades for him is gonna buy him out unless its some hail mary half season attempt to keep AD by the Hornets. And if its that he just gets bought out later. Hed end up on the Lakers for nothing.

He is owed like $125 million.. Who the hell is going to throw away $100mill to buy him out? That's a complete waste of money :facepalm

AirFederer
05-30-2019, 01:31 AM
lol @ fools ''nobody wants that CP3 contract''

HE WILL BE TRADED, and guess who's paying for that contract?
you fools paying for it.
it's simply money laundering, one of the most popular sports in America is a family and private business. owners earn around $12-30 million per season year.
you fools pay $85 for NBA game ticket.
you fools pay $25 for car parking.
you fools are not allowed to take food and drinks into the game with you.
you fools pay $40 for Two hot dogs and Two beers.

do you fools know that in 2018 alone, Nike's advertising and promotion cost 3.6 billion U.S. dollars?
How much did Nike pay for NBA contract? $1 billion
Nike still pays $110 million to MJ every year, and likely to pay lebron over $1 billion by the time he's 64.
they pay Kevin Durant, Messi, Ronaldo, Federer, Mayweather, McGregor, Serena Williams, and hundreds of athletes.
who's paying? you salves. you pay $200 for very cheap material glued pair of Nikes that cost $7-15.

Thanks for the heads up, bro. That

dazzer87
05-30-2019, 01:32 AM
lol @ fools ''nobody wants that CP3 contract''

HE WILL BE TRADED, and guess who's paying for that contract?
you fools paying for it.
it's simply money laundering. one of the most popular sports in America is a family and private business. owners earn around $12-30 million per season year.
you fools pay $85 for NBA game ticket.
you fools pay $25 for car parking.
you fools are not allowed to take food and drinks into the game with you.
you fools pay $40 for Two hot dogs and Two beers.

do you fools know that in 2018 alone, Nike's advertising and promotion cost 3.6 billion U.S. dollars?
How much did Nike pay for NBA contract? $1 billion
Nike still pays $110 million to MJ every year, and likely to pay lebron over $1 billion by the time he's 64.
they pay Kevin Durant, Messi, Ronaldo, Federer, Mayweather, McGregor, Serena Williams, and hundreds of athletes.
who's paying? you salves. you pay $200 for very cheap material glued pair of Nikes that cost $7-15.
:biggums:

NBAGOAT
05-30-2019, 01:36 AM
lol @ fools ''nobody wants that CP3 contract''

HE WILL BE TRADED, and guess who's paying for that contract?
you fools paying for it.
it's simply money laundering. one of the most popular sports in America is a family and private business. owners earn around $12-30 million per season year.
you fools pay $85 for NBA game ticket.
you fools pay $25 for car parking.
you fools are not allowed to take food and drinks into the game with you.
you fools pay $40 for Two hot dogs and Two beers.

do you fools know that in 2018 alone, Nike's advertising and promotion cost 3.6 billion U.S. dollars?
How much did Nike pay for NBA contract? $1 billion
Nike still pays $110 million to MJ every year, and likely to pay lebron over $1 billion by the time he's 64.
they pay Kevin Durant, Messi, Ronaldo, Federer, Mayweather, McGregor, Serena Williams, and hundreds of athletes.
who's paying? you salves. you pay $200 for very cheap material glued pair of Nikes that cost $7-15.

Thanks for the info man. Gotta go renew my league pass subscription however.

hold this L
05-30-2019, 01:36 AM
LOL....nobody wants that contract from cp0.....................This for a dude that never made it past the Conf Finals........
Age:
33 $35,654,150
34 $38,506,482
35 $41,358,814
36 $44,211,146
Only thing worse is Wiggins.

The super max should be given to 6 players in this league. LeBron, Curry, KD, Kawhi, Harden, Giannis. No one else deserves to come close to getting paid that kind of money.

winwin
05-30-2019, 01:37 AM
Thanks for the heads up, bro. That’s breaking news right there

:biggums:

Thanks for the info man. Gotta go renew my league pass subscription however.


keep paying slaves :rockon:

NBAGOAT
05-30-2019, 01:38 AM
Only thing worse is Wiggins.

The super max should be given to 6 players in this league. LeBron, Curry, KD, Kawhi, Harden, Giannis. No one else deserves to come close to getting paid that kind of money.

Lebrons too old to get full 5 years 40mil+ a year. I think Davis still deserves some consideration however.

hold this L
05-30-2019, 01:39 AM
Lebrons too old to get full 5 years 40mil+ a year. I think Davis still deserves some consideration however.
Davis is also an option for sure.

DMAVS41
05-30-2019, 02:59 AM
Tyler Johnson can't be traded yet, and they can't match that salary. Outside of Booker and Warren, they have no one making over 10 million......

I know Tyler can't be traded yet, but isn't it a lock that he takes his player option?

DMAVS41
05-30-2019, 03:01 AM
He is owed like $125 million.. Who the hell is going to throw away $100mill to buy him out? That's a complete waste of money :facepalm

He's not getting bought out.

I don't understand this take on the issue. I agree that teams will take him on, but Paul is way too good and too much of a draw for a team to move him and them buy him out...

Not to mention the size of his contract.

Also, why would the Rockets just move him for scraps anyway? Dude is still very good and their team is like the 4th best team in the league at worst.

brooks_thompson
05-30-2019, 04:14 AM
I'm gonna lob a long shot and say Harden to Denver

ImKobe
05-30-2019, 05:40 AM
Would Houston be desperate enough to trade CP3 & Capela for Beal + Wall? They'd get another 3PT chucker for D'Antoni's system while taking a gamble on a 28 y.o guard they'd be paying CP3 money to at a younger age.

RoseCity07
05-30-2019, 05:41 AM
Would Houston be desperate enough to trade CP3 & Capela for Beal + Wall? They'd get another 3PT chucker for D'Antoni's system while taking a gamble on a 28 y.o guard they'd be paying CP3 money to at a younger age.

Nobody is taking that pile of dogsh*t that is Cp3 and Crapela:roll: :roll:

ImKobe
05-30-2019, 05:48 AM
Nobody is taking that pile of dogsh*t that is Cp3 and Crapela:roll: :roll:

The deal works out for Washington because they save money and CP3's contract comes off the books a year earlier, Capela would be a better fit in the Eastern Conference and only makes ~18 mil a year so it's not like his contract is bad.

Kblaze8855
05-30-2019, 06:13 AM
The Pacers are about 30 million under the cap even if they give Bojan 20 million a year. They could trade Mcdermott and two other role players to match the salary at that point(dont have to match salary when under the cap). And with Oladipo, Bojan, and Turner already locked up at that point and Sabonis on the cheap for another year or two Pauls money wouldnt even hurt for a while. With Evans suspended and unable to resign, letting Collison, Al Jefferson, and young walk? Even if Bojan gets 100 million....they would still be 18 million under the salary floor and 29-30 under the cap.

Two years of paul would be barely anything in terms of real money you have to spend one way or another. Year 3 when they have to pay Sabonis is when it becomes an issue and by then I imagine hed be ready for a buyout.

Paul, Oladipo, Bojan, Sabonis, and Turner isnt a bad core in an east that might lose Leonard and Kyrie.

Paul is gonna end up on some weird unexpected situation like that I bet.

Kblaze8855
05-30-2019, 06:35 AM
He's not getting bought out.

I don't understand this take on the issue. I agree that teams will take him on, but Paul is way too good and too much of a draw for a team to move him and them buy him out...

Not to mention the size of his contract.

Also, why would the Rockets just move him for scraps anyway? Dude is still very good and their team is like the 4th best team in the league at worst.


Why wouldnt the Hornets take him and buy him out if Kemba walks?

Isnt it better for tanking/rebuilding to have Pauls empty contract for 3 years instead of Batum, Williams, Zeller, or MKG(in whatever combo they go) possibly helping you win games you dont wanna win for the same money?

You rather pay Batum and Zeller 42 million in 2 years or Paul 41 to not be there so you can win 11 games and get a top pick? His final seasons deal comes in a year the Hornets literally have nobody under contract for yet. If they want they will only be on the hook for whatever they extend their last 2 picks for plus their draft picks between then and now and minimum contract one season deal roster filler.

Against a 120ish million salary cap with a 108 million salary floor whats Pauls 44 million plus 6 guys on rookie deals and whatever likely low paid roster filler you add?

That might not even get you to the salary floor. It wont get you near the cap.

People(not you for the record) keep looking at his contract like its some actual expense for an owner to pay when the league making so much money the salary floor can easily make it free....because the alternative is paying a 4 million dollar bonus to 10 other guys for nothing.

People so busy laughing at his deal they dont realize that to the right team it literally means nothing but an easier rebuild for the same money they would be paying guys they dont need.

The Cavs will be shedding 90 million in salary next summer and going into a season with a 118 million dollar cap and 42 million in contracts. What do you do when rebuilding and 60 million below the salary floor? I doubt they bank on signing big prime free agents. You can take on a year of dead money for a couple picks.


Pauls deal is about to be nothing to absorb for a lot of teams. Its gonna be trade for some overpaid vet a team wants rid of for draft picks or pay role players a 30-60 million dollar bonus for these rebuilding teams. I dont know about you...but if I gotta spend it anyway I might as well trade for a Paul/Wiggins/Conley/Wall/whatever and buy him out while I get a pick or two in the deal.

If 40 million is leaving my account no matter what I do id rather it leave in exchange for picks and shedding my own overpaid vets I want gone to help me lose.

Those kinda teams wouldnt trade for paul to play him....but to buy him out?

Why not?

You get a worse lineup to tank with....spend no additional money...get a couple picks....rockets get out of his deal for some younger players or just...get out of the deal if thats what they want....and Paul gets bought out to play anywhere he wants to try to win.

Who loses?

Jasper
05-30-2019, 09:21 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26847098/rockets-making-cp3-others-available

first take said when CP3 runs offense harden is totally disengaged...

what a fvckin prieck...

they should ship harden out

DMAVS41
05-30-2019, 09:49 AM
Why wouldnt the Hornets take him and buy him out if Kemba walks?

Isnt it better for tanking/rebuilding to have Pauls empty contract for 3 years instead of Batum, Williams, Zeller, or MKG(in whatever combo they go) possibly helping you win games you dont wanna win for the same money?

You rather pay Batum and Zeller 42 million in 2 years or Paul 41 to not be there so you can win 11 games and get a top pick? His final seasons deal comes in a year the Hornets literally have nobody under contract for yet. If they want they will only be on the hook for whatever they extend their last 2 picks for plus their draft picks between then and now and minimum contract one season deal roster filler.

Against a 120ish million salary cap with a 108 million salary floor whats Pauls 44 million plus 6 guys on rookie deals and whatever likely low paid roster filler you add?

That might not even get you to the salary floor. It wont get you near the cap.

People(not you for the record) keep looking at his contract like its some actual expense for an owner to pay when the league making so much money the salary floor can easily make it free....because the alternative is paying a 4 million dollar bonus to 10 other guys for nothing.

People so busy laughing at his deal they dont realize that to the right team it literally means nothing but an easier rebuild for the same money they would be paying guys they dont need.

The Cavs will be shedding 90 million in salary next summer and going into a season with a 118 million dollar cap and 42 million in contracts. What do you do when rebuilding and 60 million below the salary floor? I doubt they bank on signing big prime free agents. You can take on a year of dead money for a couple picks.


Pauls deal is about to be nothing to absorb for a lot of teams. Its gonna be trade for some overpaid vet a team wants rid of for draft picks or pay role players a 30-60 million dollar bonus for these rebuilding teams. I dont know about you...but if I gotta spend it anyway I might as well trade for a Paul/Wiggins/Conley/Wall/whatever and buy him out while I get a pick or two in the deal.

If 40 million is leaving my account no matter what I do id rather it leave in exchange for picks and shedding my own overpaid vets I want gone to help me lose.

Those kinda teams wouldnt trade for paul to play him....but to buy him out?

Why not?

You get a worse lineup to tank with....spend no additional money...get a couple picks....rockets get out of his deal for some younger players or just...get out of the deal if thats what they want....and Paul gets bought out to play anywhere he wants to try to win.

Who loses?

I definitely agree with you that the contract isn't nearly as big of a deal as people are claiming. And you know, based on previous discussions we vowed to not rehash, that I agree with the sentiment that costs to owners that are willing to pay is not nearly as big of a deal in terms of dollars vs the incoming cap increases.

But, why not a salary dump and buy out for Paul?

Because he's really good and the Rockets wouldn't trade a player as good as Paul for Batum's contract, a player that doesn't fit in MKG, and while I like Zeller, he doesn't do anything for them at all unless they also moved Capela. Williams would be nice though.

That deal doesn't make sense for either team, because the Rockets aren't just going to punt on Harden's peak years. They are trying to win a title...and conversely, the Hornets would have better options to be the tanking team you are talking about. They could use some of their contracts to take on bad money if that is the route they want to go.

Also, Williams and Zeller have real value. Not a ton, but they are both positive assets. Zeller especially is actually a really under-rated player and is now on a good contract going into the next two cap increases. They should trade those guys to contending teams and take back whatever if they could get a pick or two out of it if bad salary comes back. Like, call the Wizards and take on Wall or something...get a real asset in the process. Do something that actually can help the future of the team more than just making it easier to be bad.

But I just don't see the Rockets moving Paul unless it helps them contend for a title....and I certainly don't see a team like the Hornets buying out a monster contract just to tank if they lose Kemba because they'll already be awful if they lose Kemba. Batum / Williams / Zeller / MKG aren't adding many wins anyway, but outside of Batum, could all be moved easily without paying 100 million to shed them.

But, again, Paul just isn't in the class of "get picks and buy him out" player. The Rockets aren't giving up picks to shed Paul while taking back the kind of contracts you are talking about. Maybe they would give up a couple protected picks to dump Paul if they knew a legit superstar wanted to go there or something.

Paul just doesn't belong in the class of Wiggins / Wall...Conley doesn't really belong either because he's actually good.

But Wall / Wiggins? Absolutely agree with you...smart teams should be trying to take them on if they can get assets in return for sure. The Suns, again, should be calling the Wizards and trying to take on Wall. He'd actually be good for them and it just wouldn't matter about his contract all that much if they could get a couple real assets in return.

But I really just don't think Paul...a borderline all-nba player when he's on the floor...should be in the class of guys you are talking about...and I don't think the Rockets view him like that unless they know somebody is coming to sign if they have the space.

Duderonomy
05-30-2019, 03:12 PM
A couple places CP3 can be traded to

Minnesota for Wiggins
Charlotte if they lose Kemba
Suns to mentor Booker and Anton.

Detroit is even possible to reunite with Blake.

dazzer87
05-30-2019, 03:16 PM
A couple places CP3 can be traded to

Minnesota for Wiggins
Charlotte if they lose Kemba
Suns to mentor Booker and Anton.

Detroit is even possible to reunite with Blake.
Never going to happen. Bad blood between them.