Why did the Bulls improve defensively the first time

[Vino24]

MJ retired? Was Pete Myers that good defensively?

[E_Stamkos]

Let me sniff?

[Vino24]

Pippen upped his defense and took on an even bigger defensive load

[3ball]

Why did the Bulls improve defensively the first time


The Bulls ranked 7th, 4th, and 7th from 91-93', and 6th in 1994

So basically no improvement at all

And the entire league improved in DRtg in 94', so the Bulls didn't improve relative to the league (hence their ranking remaining the same)

Since their defensive ranking remained the same, the massive decline from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team was due entirely to the absence of MJ's goat offense, which caused their ORtg to crater from #1 all-time (during the 3-peat) to 14th in the league in 1994.





MJ retired?


teams have a limited amount of energy to expend on both ends - shifts in performance/effort on one side normally take away from the other side.. But even though the Bulls offense fell off a cliff in 1994 and they focused more on defense, their defense didn't improve relative to the league because they were missing their best defender (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=35m00s).

Otoh, the presence of MJ gave the Bulls the highest ORtg's of all time.. But this GOAT improvement on offense didn't come at the expense of defense like it would for most teams.. His presence enabled a TWO-WAY team, which isn't surprising, since he's the goat two-way player according to Popovich (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11875095&postcount=46).

So imagine Kawhi Leonard (as Popovich references), with the capability of scoring 15 more ppg.. That's Jordan... That's the GOAT.. we're seeing Kawhi dominate this year





Was Pete Myers that good defensively?


mj's 33/8/8 in 1989.. that same lottery cast three-peated from 91-93' - so the 94' Bulls were a lottery cast that had developed the know-how, teamwork and goat brand required of all dynasties.. they managed off teamwork, not talent.

Otoh, Lebron's teammates play bad with or without him because he reduces everyone to spot-up shooters - weak teams let 1 guy dribble most of the time, so the team collapses without that guy.. Otoh, dynasty teams play great basketball with or without their star because they move the ball instead of having 1 guy dribble it all the time

Similar to other ball-dominators like Westbrook and Harden, lebron's teams play bad basketball.... people simply ignored it because he had super-teams that were winning the LEast every year.
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[superduper]

The Bulls ranked 7th, 4th, and 7th from 91-93', and 6th in 1994

So basically no improvement at all

And the entire league improved in DRtg in 94', so the Bulls didn't improve relative to the league (hence their ranking remaining the same)

Since their defensive ranking remained the same, the massive decline from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team was due entirely to the absence of MJ's goat offense, which caused their ORtg to crater from #1 all-time (during the 3-peat) to 14th in the league in 1994.



teams have a limited amount of energy to expend on both ends - shifts in performance/effort on one side normally take away from the other side.. But even though the Bulls offense fell off a cliff in 1994 and they focused more on defense, their defense didn't improve relative to the league because they were missing their best defender (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=35m00s).

Otoh, the presence of MJ gave the Bulls the highest ORtg's of all time.. But this GOAT improvement on offense didn't come at the expense of defense like it would for most teams.. His presence enabled a TWO-WAY team, which isn't surprising, since he's the goat two-way player according to Popovich (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11875095&postcount=46).

So imagine Kawhi Leonard (as Popovich references), with the capability of scoring 15 more ppg.. That's Jordan... That's the GOAT.. we're seeing Kawhi dominate this year



mj's 33/8/8 in 1989.. that same lottery cast three-peated from 91-93' - so the 94' Bulls were a lottery cast that had developed the know-how, teamwork and goat brand required of all dynasties.. they managed off teamwork, not talent.

Otoh, Lebron's teammates play bad with or without him because he reduces everyone to spot-up shooters - weak teams let 1 guy dribble most of the time, so the team collapses without that guy.. Otoh, dynasty teams play great basketball with or without their star because they move the ball instead of having 1 guy dribble it all the time

Similar to other ball-dominators like Westbrook and Harden, lebron's teams play bad basketball.... people simply ignored it because he had super-teams that were winning the LEast every year.
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This might be the GOAT post in ISH history

[Detroit]

The Bulls ranked 7th, 4th, and 7th from 91-93', and 6th in 1994

So basically no improvement at all

And the entire league improved in DRtg in 94', so the Bulls didn't improve relative to the league (hence their ranking remaining the same)

Since their defensive ranking remained the same, the massive decline from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team was due entirely to the absence of MJ's goat offense, which caused their ORtg to crater from #1 all-time (during the 3-peat) to 14th in the league in 1994.



teams have a limited amount of energy to expend on both ends - shifts in performance/effort on one side normally take away from the other side.. But even though the Bulls offense fell off a cliff in 1994 and they focused more on defense, their defense didn't improve relative to the league because they were missing their best defender (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=35m00s).

Otoh, the presence of MJ gave the Bulls the highest ORtg's of all time.. But this GOAT improvement on offense didn't come at the expense of defense like it would for most teams.. His presence enabled a TWO-WAY team, which isn't surprising, since he's the goat two-way player according to Popovich (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11875095&postcount=46).

So imagine Kawhi Leonard (as Popovich references), with the capability of scoring 15 more ppg.. That's Jordan... That's the GOAT.. we're seeing Kawhi dominate this year



mj's 33/8/8 in 1989.. that same lottery cast three-peated from 91-93' - so the 94' Bulls were a lottery cast that had developed the know-how, teamwork and goat brand required of all dynasties.. they managed off teamwork, not talent.

Otoh, Lebron's teammates play bad with or without him because he reduces everyone to spot-up shooters - weak teams let 1 guy dribble most of the time, so the team collapses without that guy.. Otoh, dynasty teams play great basketball with or without their star because they move the ball instead of having 1 guy dribble it all the time

Similar to other ball-dominators like Westbrook and Harden, lebron's teams play bad basketball.... people simply ignored it because he had super-teams that were winning the LEast every year.
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Goodness Gracious:bowdown:

[TheMan]

The Bulls ranked 7th, 4th, and 7th from 91-93', and 6th in 1994

So basically no improvement at all

And the entire league improved in DRtg in 94', so the Bulls didn't improve relative to the league (hence their ranking remaining the same)

Since their defensive ranking remained the same, the massive decline from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team was due entirely to the absence of MJ's goat offense, which caused their ORtg to crater from #1 all-time (during the 3-peat) to 14th in the league in 1994.



teams have a limited amount of energy to expend on both ends - shifts in performance/effort on one side normally take away from the other side.. But even though the Bulls offense fell off a cliff in 1994 and they focused more on defense, their defense didn't improve relative to the league because they were missing their best defender (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=35m00s).

Otoh, the presence of MJ gave the Bulls the highest ORtg's of all time.. But this GOAT improvement on offense didn't come at the expense of defense like it would for most teams.. His presence enabled a TWO-WAY team, which isn't surprising, since he's the goat two-way player according to Popovich (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11875095&postcount=46).

So imagine Kawhi Leonard (as Popovich references), with the capability of scoring 15 more ppg.. That's Jordan... That's the GOAT.. we're seeing Kawhi dominate this year



mj's 33/8/8 in 1989.. that same lottery cast three-peated from 91-93' - so the 94' Bulls were a lottery cast that had developed the know-how, teamwork and goat brand required of all dynasties.. they managed off teamwork, not talent.

Otoh, Lebron's teammates play bad with or without him because he reduces everyone to spot-up shooters - weak teams let 1 guy dribble most of the time, so the team collapses without that guy.. Otoh, dynasty teams play great basketball with or without their star because they move the ball instead of having 1 guy dribble it all the time

Similar to other ball-dominators like Westbrook and Harden, lebron's teams play bad basketball.... people simply ignored it because he had super-teams that were winning the LEast every year.
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Thread backfire :lol

[bigkingsfan]

Pippen upped his defense and took on an even bigger defensive load
In 95, they ranked #2 :eek:

[jstern]

The Bulls ranked 7th, 4th, and 7th from 91-93', and 6th in 1994

So basically no improvement at all

And the entire league improved in DRtg in 94', so the Bulls didn't improve relative to the league (hence their ranking remaining the same)

Since their defensive ranking remained the same, the massive decline from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team was due entirely to the absence of MJ's goat offense, which caused their ORtg to crater from #1 all-time (during the 3-peat) to 14th in the league in 1994.



teams have a limited amount of energy to expend on both ends - shifts in performance/effort on one side normally take away from the other side.. But even though the Bulls offense fell off a cliff in 1994 and they focused more on defense, their defense didn't improve relative to the league because they were missing their best defender (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=35m00s).

Otoh, the presence of MJ gave the Bulls the highest ORtg's of all time.. But this GOAT improvement on offense didn't come at the expense of defense like it would for most teams.. His presence enabled a TWO-WAY team, which isn't surprising, since he's the goat two-way player according to Popovich (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11875095&postcount=46).

So imagine Kawhi Leonard (as Popovich references), with the capability of scoring 15 more ppg.. That's Jordan... That's the GOAT.. we're seeing Kawhi dominate this year



mj's 33/8/8 in 1989.. that same lottery cast three-peated from 91-93' - so the 94' Bulls were a lottery cast that had developed the know-how, teamwork and goat brand required of all dynasties.. they managed off teamwork, not talent.

Otoh, Lebron's teammates play bad with or without him because he reduces everyone to spot-up shooters - weak teams let 1 guy dribble most of the time, so the team collapses without that guy.. Otoh, dynasty teams play great basketball with or without their star because they move the ball instead of having 1 guy dribble it all the time

Similar to other ball-dominators like Westbrook and Harden, lebron's teams play bad basketball.... people simply ignored it because he had super-teams that were winning the LEast every year.
.

:bowdown: :applause:

[sportjames23]

The Bulls ranked 7th, 4th, and 7th from 91-93', and 6th in 1994

So basically no improvement at all

And the entire league improved in DRtg in 94', so the Bulls didn't improve relative to the league (hence their ranking remaining the same)

Since their defensive ranking remained the same, the massive decline from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team was due entirely to the absence of MJ's goat offense, which caused their ORtg to crater from #1 all-time (during the 3-peat) to 14th in the league in 1994.



teams have a limited amount of energy to expend on both ends - shifts in performance/effort on one side normally take away from the other side.. But even though the Bulls offense fell off a cliff in 1994 and they focused more on defense, their defense didn't improve relative to the league because they were missing their best defender (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=35m00s).

Otoh, the presence of MJ gave the Bulls the highest ORtg's of all time.. But this GOAT improvement on offense didn't come at the expense of defense like it would for most teams.. His presence enabled a TWO-WAY team, which isn't surprising, since he's the goat two-way player according to Popovich (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11875095&postcount=46).

So imagine Kawhi Leonard (as Popovich references), with the capability of scoring 15 more ppg.. That's Jordan... That's the GOAT.. we're seeing Kawhi dominate this year



mj's 33/8/8 in 1989.. that same lottery cast three-peated from 91-93' - so the 94' Bulls were a lottery cast that had developed the know-how, teamwork and goat brand required of all dynasties.. they managed off teamwork, not talent.

Otoh, Lebron's teammates play bad with or without him because he reduces everyone to spot-up shooters - weak teams let 1 guy dribble most of the time, so the team collapses without that guy.. Otoh, dynasty teams play great basketball with or without their star because they move the ball instead of having 1 guy dribble it all the time

Similar to other ball-dominators like Westbrook and Harden, lebron's teams play bad basketball.... people simply ignored it because he had super-teams that were winning the LEast every year.
.

Damn, I felt that over here. :bowdown:

[1987_Lakers]

http://i.postimg.cc/wTqLqW76/SportJamesOwned.png

[NBAGOAT]

the average drtg in 1993 was 108, the bulls had a 106.1 so a rdrtg of -1.9.

the average drtg in 1994 was 106.3, the bulls had a 102.7 so a rdrtg of -3.6.

This is why looking at just ranks can be misleading, they're not exact. Another example but calling the Knicks in 93 and 94 just the no1 defense in the league for example is completely underselling them since they were 3-4pts better than the 2nd best team in the league. They were a -8.3 while the sonics who were 2nd were a -3.1 so the sonics were far closer to an average defense than the knicks.

There are obviously contextual factors like the Bulls coasting in 93 because it was the 3rd year of a 3peat, becoming more of a defensive focused team etc. No one thinks jordan's a negative defender. However, lol at people thinking 3ball is ethering people when he isnt even correct however

[3ball]

the average drtg in 1993 was 108, the bulls had a 106.1 so a rdrtg of -1.9.

the average drtg in 1994 was 106.3, the bulls had a 102.7 so a rdrtg of -3.6.

This is why looking at just ranks can be misleading, they're not exact.



Your metric shows that the Bulls' defense was best with Jordan (1992), and 1994 was basically the same as the first 3-peat overall:



1) 1992 - 3.7 below league average
2) 1994 - 3.6 below league average
3) 1991 - 2.7 below league average
4) 1993 - 1.9 below league average


Since their defensive capacity remained the same, the massive decline from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team was due entirely to the absence of MJ's goat offense, which caused their ORtg to crater from #1 all-time (during the 3-peat) to 14th in the league in 1994.





Another example but calling the Knicks in 93 and 94 just the no1 defense in the league for example is completely underselling them since they were 3-4pts better than the 2nd best team in the league. They were a -8.3 while the sonics who were 2nd were a -3.1 so the sonics were far closer to an average defense than the knicks.


teams have a limited amount of energy to expend on both ends - shifts in performance/effort on one side normally take away from the other side.. But even though the Bulls offense fell off a cliff in 1994 and they focused more on defense, their defense didn't improve relative to the league because they were missing their best defender (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=35m00s).

Otoh, the presence of MJ gave the Bulls the highest ORtg's of all time.. But this GOAT improvement on offense didn't come at the expense of defense like it would for most teams.. His presence enabled a TWO-WAY team, which isn't surprising, since he's the goat two-way player according to Popovich (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11875095&postcount=46).

So imagine Kawhi Leonard (as Popovich references), with the capability of scoring 15 more ppg.. That's Jordan... That's the GOAT.. we're seeing Kawhi dominate this year





There are obviously contextual factors like the Bulls coasting in 93 because it was the 3rd year of a 3peat, becoming more of a defensive focused team etc. No one thinks jordan's a negative defender. However, lol at people thinking 3ball is ethering people when he isnt even correct however


the bulls won 47 games and would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without mj's 33/8/8 in 1989.. that same lottery cast three-peated from 91-93' - so the 94' Bulls were a lottery cast that had developed the know-how, teamwork and goat brand required of all dynasties.. they managed off teamwork, not talent.

[bigkingsfan]

95 Bulls won one less playoff game with Ordan, team beat them got swept.

[3ball]

95 Bulls won one less playoff game with Ordan, team beat them got swept.
3 reasons the Bulls lost in 1995:

1) bad chemistry
2) Pippen laid another (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13557051&postcount=9) egg (19 on 40.9%)
3) MJ was rusty from baseball


They fixed up #1 and #3, which resulted in another 3-peat (Pippen was still aids - 17 on 40.8% in 96-98' playoffs)
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[bigkingsfan]

3 reasons the Bulls lost in 1995:

1) bad chemistry
2) Pippen laid another egg (19 on 40.9%)
3) MJ was rusty from baseball


They fixed up #1 and #3, which resulted in another 3-peat (Pippen was still aids - 17 on 40.8% in 96-98' playoffs)
No excuses. Team beat them got swept.

[3ball]

No excuses. Team beat them got swept.
No excuses needed because everyone in the modern era lost more than MJ - so they need more excuses than he does

It's fact - MJ has the best championship frequency of the modern era - 6 rings in 15 years (40%) - so he lost the least and needs the least excuses

And 6 first option rings - no one else is close

[Manny98]

The Bulls ranked 7th, 4th, and 7th from 91-93', and 6th in 1994

So basically no improvement at all

And the entire league improved in DRtg in 94', so the Bulls didn't improve relative to the league (hence their ranking remaining the same)

Since their defensive ranking remained the same, the massive decline from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team was due entirely to the absence of MJ's goat offense, which caused their ORtg to crater from #1 all-time (during the 3-peat) to 14th in the league in 1994.



teams have a limited amount of energy to expend on both ends - shifts in performance/effort on one side normally take away from the other side.. But even though the Bulls offense fell off a cliff in 1994 and they focused more on defense, their defense didn't improve relative to the league because they were missing their best defender (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=35m00s).

Otoh, the presence of MJ gave the Bulls the highest ORtg's of all time.. But this GOAT improvement on offense didn't come at the expense of defense like it would for most teams.. His presence enabled a TWO-WAY team, which isn't surprising, since he's the goat two-way player according to Popovich (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11875095&postcount=46).

So imagine Kawhi Leonard (as Popovich references), with the capability of scoring 15 more ppg.. That's Jordan... That's the GOAT.. we're seeing Kawhi dominate this year



mj's 33/8/8 in 1989.. that same lottery cast three-peated from 91-93' - so the 94' Bulls were a lottery cast that had developed the know-how, teamwork and goat brand required of all dynasties.. they managed off teamwork, not talent.

Otoh, Lebron's teammates play bad with or without him because he reduces everyone to spot-up shooters - weak teams let 1 guy dribble most of the time, so the team collapses without that guy.. Otoh, dynasty teams play great basketball with or without their star because they move the ball instead of having 1 guy dribble it all the time

Similar to other ball-dominators like Westbrook and Harden, lebron's teams play bad basketball.... people simply ignored it because he had super-teams that were winning the LEast every year.
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But their defense didn't decline either

So MJ essentially had little or no defensive impact on his team

Imagine the Raptors still being a top tier defensive team without Kawhi?

[AussieSteve]

This might be the GOAT post in ISH history

Well it's not. It sounds great, but it's mostly BS.

The Bulls' ortg dropped by 6.8 and their drtg improved by 3.4. They were only 3 points better per 100 possessions with MJ.

From 93 to 94...
Pippen's scoring went up +3.4ppg
Grants went up +1.9ppg
BJ's went up +2.5ppg

Yes Jordan was the GOAT scorer, but 3ball's whole 'MJ had to score... to win' speel is nonsense. He was surrounded by good scorers who scored less to accommodate Jordan. Which is fine, cos he's the GOAT and you accommodate the GOAT, because he's the guy you want taking shots more often than not. But let's not overstate things.

[3ball]

But their defense didn't decline either

So MJ essentially had little or no defensive impact on his team

Imagine the Raptors still being a top tier defensive team without Kawhi?
The 94' Bulls didn't have the #1 all-time offense anymore and could focus more on defense - but they didn't improve because they were missing the goat defensive guard

teams have a limited amount of energy to expend on both ends - shifts in performance/effort on one side normally take away from the other side.. But even though the Bulls offense fell off a cliff in 1994 and they focused more on defense, their defense didn't improve relative to the league because they were missing their best defender (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgJhzj4W9M&t=35m00s).

Otoh, the presence of MJ gave the Bulls the highest ORtg's of all time.. But this GOAT improvement on offense didn't come at the expense of defense like it would for most teams.. His presence enabled a TWO-WAY team, which isn't surprising, since he's the goat two-way player according to Popovich (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11875095&postcount=46).

So imagine Kawhi Leonard (as Popovich references), with the capability of scoring 15 more ppg.. That's Jordan... That's the GOAT.. we're seeing Kawhi dominate this year

[AussieSteve]

This might be the GOAT post in ISH history

Well it's not. It sounds great, but it's mostly BS.

The Bulls' ortg dropped by 6.8 and their drtg improved by 3.4. They were only 3 points better per 100 possessions with MJ.

From 93 to 94...
Pippen's scoring went up +3.4ppg
Grants went up +1.9ppg
BJ's went up +2.5ppg

Basically, replace MJ with an AS guard - one who scored say 7.8ppg less than jordan on similar efficiency - and they'd score as much as they did with MJ with similar defense also.

Yes Jordan was the GOAT scorer, but 3ball's whole 'MJ had to score... to win' speel is nonsense. He was surrounded by good scorers who scored less to accommodate Jordan. Which is fine, cos he's the GOAT and you accommodate the GOAT, because he's the guy you want taking shots more often than not. But let's not overstate things.

[ImKobe]

Well it's not. It sounds great, but it's mostly BS.

The Bulls' ortg dropped by 6.8 and their drtg improved by 3.4. They were only 3 points better per 100 possessions with MJ.

From 93 to 94...
Pippen's scoring went up +3.4ppg
Grants went up +1.9ppg
BJ's went up +2.5ppg

Basically, replace MJ with a typical AS guard - one who scored say 7.8ppg less than jordan on similar efficiency - and they'd score as much as they did with MJ.

Yes Jordan was the GOAT scorer, but 3ball's whole 'MJ had to score... to win' speel is nonsense. He was surrounded by good scorers who scored less to accommodate Jordan. Which is fine, cos he's the GOAT and you accommodate the GOAT, because he's the guy you want taking shots more often than not. But let's not overstate things.

They added Kukoc and Kerr in '94 as is with Grant and B.J Armstrong having the best seasons of their career and they were still a lot worse than the 91-93 Bulls. Regular Season record is cool and all but look at how their SRS drops from 6.19 to 2.87, look at how they underperform in the Playoffs.

Superstars win championships and MJ was the only superstar on that roster. Without him, they were just another EC Playoff team with a great defense but a mediocre offense. People point to the DRTG decrease but the whole league got better on defense in '94 before they introduced the shortened 3PT line to try to help the offense.

[3ball]

Well it's not. It sounds great, but it's mostly BS.

The Bulls' ortg dropped by 6.8 and their drtg improved by 3.4. They were only 3 points better per 100 possessions with MJ.

From 93 to 94...
Pippen's scoring went up +3.4ppg
Grants went up +1.9ppg
BJ's went up +2.5ppg

Basically, replace MJ with an AS guard - one who scored say 7.8ppg less than jordan on similar efficiency - and they'd score as much as they did with MJ with similar defense also.

Yes Jordan was the GOAT scorer, but 3ball's whole 'MJ had to score... to win' speel is nonsense. He was surrounded by good scorers who scored less to accommodate Jordan. Which is fine, cos he's the GOAT and you accommodate the GOAT, because he's the guy you want taking shots more often than not. But let's not overstate things.
No player achieves their career high every year - it fluctuates - but Pippen and Grant matched their 94' stats alongside MJ in 92'.

So if Pippen/Grant were sacrificing, then why didn't they blow away their previous highs in 94'?.. instead, pippen's ppg increased 1 point from his previous high and his apg declined 1.4... And Grant's 15/11 in 94' is basically the same as his 14/11 in 92'.

So they played to capacity next to MJ -

Pippen was an 18-22 ppg player.. Grant was 12-15... They achieved all of these ranges alongside MJ.. there was no sacrifice of scoring like Love/Bosh did for Bron, and no sacrifice of assists like Wade/Kyrie's did

Finally, the bulls didn't have good scorers - that's why their offense was shit in 94', and why MJ had to score more per game to win than anyone ever did
.

[Nikola_]

Why didnt the Warriors win 80 games after adding Derrant? Was he a net negative or things arent always white and black...

[TheMan]

In 95, they ranked #2 :eek:
And were 23-25 before MJ joined them and went 24-10 the rest of the way :eek:

[bigkingsfan]

And were 23-25 before MJ joined them and went 24-10 the rest of the way :eek:
Damn dude, you don't even know that MJ only played 17 reg season games with them that season.


No excuses needed because everyone in the modern era lost more than MJ - so they need more excuses than he does

It's fact - MJ has the best championship frequency of the modern era - 6 rings in 15 years (40%) - so he lost the least and needs the least excuses

And 6 first option rings - no one else is close
No excuses

[FireDavidKahn]

Pippen upped his defense and took on an even bigger defensive load
This. We all know that Pippen has a much bigger load than MJ, just ask Madonna and she can confirm.

[TheMan]

Damn dude, you don't even know that MJ only played 17 reg season games with them that season.

Ha, you're right...they went 14-3, been a while :lol

I do remember watching his first game back though, against the Pacers and it was televised nationally on NBC, we had a family cookout and I spent most of it glued to the TV.

[TheMan]

This. We all know that Pippen has a much bigger load than MJ, just ask Madonna and she can confirm.
This is suspect...

[FKAri]

This is suspect...
All that means is Pippen was HUGE. Not necessarily MJ isn't packing. She was content with Pippen. LMAO @ these clowns straight reaching.

[TheMan]

All that means is Pippen was HUGE. Not necessarily MJ isn't packing. She was content with Pippen. LMAO @ these clowns straight reaching.
Yeah I know that but talking about a dude's junk is gay af.

I noticed the LeTwinks love talking about that :facepalm