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StrongLurk
05-30-2019, 11:01 AM
Who would you take in their primes? Would Curry>TMAC in this era but TMAC>Curry 02-07?

3ball
05-30-2019, 11:46 AM
Who would you take in their primes? Would Curry>TMAC in this era but TMAC>Curry 02-07?
Everyone plays better with spacing, less physical defense, and freedom of movement... so Tmac would be better today, as would everyone

For example, 03' Tmac averaged 32 ppg when league DRtg was 103

What would he average against today's record 110 drtg?... Obviously a lot more than he did in 03', so he'd be better than curry

Also, 03' Tmac shot 39% on 6 attempts, so you can increase those numbers for this era

StrongLurk
05-30-2019, 11:51 AM
Everyone plays better with spacing, less physical defense, and freedom of movement... so Tmac would be better today, as would everyone

For example, 03' Tmac averaged 32 ppg when league DRtg was 103

What would he average against today's record 110 drtg?... Obviously a lot more than he did in 03', so he'd be better than curry

Also, 03' Tmac shot 39% on 6 attempts, so you can increase those numbers for this era

One thing to consider is players play less minutes now and individuals shoot less shots. Are we sure McGrady would be able to shoot 23 times a game this era on a playoff team?

Also, McGrady shot 32.3% from 3 on 5.6 attempts during 2004-2008...so his 03 season is more of an outlier (clear peak season tho)

3ball
05-30-2019, 11:59 AM
One thing to consider is players play less minutes now and individuals shoot less shots. Are we sure McGrady would be able to shoot 23 times a game this era on a playoff team?

Also, McGrady shot 32.3% from 3 on 5.6 attempts during 2004-2008...so his 03 season is more of an outlier (clear peak season tho)
Harden shot 25 times per game this year; westbrook shot 24 times when he won scoring title in 17'

Also, tmac thought he was a great 3-pt shooter in 2006... He wouldn't think that today, and the extra work/mindset would improve his 3-pointers... he was a decent 3-point shooter WITHOUT being in the 3-pt era where everyone focuses on it and practices it more than anything else - so he'd do even better today.. it's only natural

His threes would also be more open in this era because the spaced-out ball movement and strategy gets players open looks

StrongLurk
05-30-2019, 12:06 PM
Harden shot 25 times per game this year; westbrook shot 24 times when he won scoring title in 17'

Also, tmac thought he was a great 3-pt shooter in 2006... He wouldn't think that today, and the extra work/mindset would improve his 3-pointers... he was a decent 3-point shooter WITHOUT being in the 3-pt era where everyone focuses on it and practices it more than anything else - so he'd do even better today.. it's only natural

His threes would also be more open in this era because the spaced-out ball movement and strategy gets players open looks

I do wish he didn't have a string of injuries and took better care of himself. If he did, he'd probably be up there on the Kobe/Lebron/Durant level.

3ball
05-30-2019, 12:09 PM
I do wish he didn't have a string of injuries and took better care of himself. If he did, he'd probably be up there on the Kobe/Lebron/Durant level.
Yeah he was a natural

warriorfan
05-30-2019, 02:43 PM
Harden shot 25 times per game this year; westbrook shot 24 times when he won scoring title in 17'

Also, tmac thought he was a great 3-pt shooter in 2006... He wouldn't think that today, and the extra work/mindset would improve his 3-pointers... he was a decent 3-point shooter WITHOUT being in the 3-pt era where everyone focuses on it and practices it more than anything else - so he'd do even better today.. it's only natural

His threes would also be more open in this era because the spaced-out ball movement and strategy gets players open looks

How did that work out?

Phoenix
05-30-2019, 03:01 PM
One thing to consider is players play less minutes now and individuals shoot less shots. Are we sure McGrady would be able to shoot 23 times a game this era on a playoff team?

Also, McGrady shot 32.3% from 3 on 5.6 attempts during 2004-2008...so his 03 season is more of an outlier (clear peak season tho)

It was a sign of things to come if not for his degenerative back condition, which actually was bothering him even in 2003 but further impacted his play in the subsequent seasons. He wasn't able to get the same lift and his shot became more of a line drive. I mean, in 2005 everyone posted peak numbers: Kobe, Arenas, Dirk, Iverson, Nash. It's not odd that a mid 20's Tmac would get worse without some other catalyst affecting his play? It certainly wasn't the rules. You take 2003 Tmac and put him under the rules of the 2004 perimeter changes??!!

Shogon
05-30-2019, 03:04 PM
Iso scoring and defense? It

3ball
05-30-2019, 03:14 PM
How did that work out?
They both won MVP, or pretty close

And Lebron averaged 24 shots when he beat the Warriors in 2016, while Kawhi averaged 24 shots against Philly's 4 perennial all-stars this year - both of these scenarios ended pretty great for them

So volume shooting is alive and well, which means MJ would take high volume efficiency to another level in this era, just like he did in his era

NBAGOAT
05-30-2019, 03:26 PM
i agree with what someone else said, tmac is close to durant for me. Peak curry is better than both.

warriorfan
05-30-2019, 03:30 PM
They both won MVP, or pretty close

And Lebron averaged 24 shots when he beat the Warriors in 2016, while Kawhi averaged 24 shots against Philly's 4 perennial all-stars this year - both of these scenarios ended pretty great for them

So volume shooting is alive and well, which means MJ would take high volume efficiency to another level in this era, just like he did in his era

So you are saying it got them close but ultimately wasn

3ball
05-30-2019, 03:35 PM
So you are saying it got them close but ultimately wasn’t a championship level style of basketball.
Lebron won the ring with it

and kawhi WOULD win the ring if he had a couple superstar teammates like Lebron (he might still win it)

It's actually your Warriors that are playing a stale brand of ball that will get exposed more and more... without durant.. durant gives them the "MJ" that makes them unbeatable

warriorfan
05-30-2019, 03:38 PM
Lebron won the ring with it

and kawhi WOULD win the ring if he had a couple superstar teammates like Lebron (he might still win it)

It's actually your Warriors that are playing a stale brand of ball that will get exposed more and more... without durant.. durant gives them the "MJ" that makes them unbeatable

Jordan WOULDNT of killed his father if he didn