Was 2013 Game 7 the biggest carry in Finals history?

[TheCorporation]

If you look at Game Score disparity between the #1 option (LeBron) and his next 3 options (Wade) (Bosh) and (Allen) you find the following:

GameScore for Game 7, 2013 NBA Finals
LeBron: 32.5
Wade: 14.8
Bosh: -2.1
Allen: -2.6

Difference: 22.4 (LeBron surpassed the three combined by 22.4)

LeBron had a higher Game Score of 22.4 over the next three options (Wade, Bosh, and Allen) en route to a Finals win. Have we ever seen a bigger carry?

For comparison, Jordan's big 1993, 55-point game he had a Game Score of 38.6

GameScore for Game 4, 1993 NBA Finals
Jordan: 38.6
Pippen: 9.6
Grant: 23.4
Armstrong: 12.3

Difference: -6.7 (Jordan did not surpass the three combined by 6.7)

I'm sure you guys know of big carries in the Finals so let me know so we can find them.


List of Finals carries:
#1 2013 Game 7: Difference: +22.4 LeBron surpassed all three combined by 22.4

#2 1993 Game 4: Difference: -6.7 (Jordan did not surpass the three combined by 6.7)

[3ball]

.

Heat ORtgN with Wade on floor:. 109.8
Heat ORtg w/out Wade on floor:. ..87.3
______________________________________________
...............Increase in team ORtg:. 22.5 (https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612748/onoffcourt-summary/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DIFF_DEF_RATING&dir=1&LastNGames=7)<--- link to NBA.com dara


Heat ORtgN with Lebron on floor:. 106.7
Heat ORtg w/out Lebron on floor:. ..98.8
______________________________________________
.....................Increase in team ORtg:.7.9 (https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612748/onoffcourt-summary/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DIFF_DEF_RATING&dir=1&LastNGames=7)

[3ball]

2nd life performances don't count - Ray gave Lebron 2nd life after he wasn't good enough for 6 games and lost Miami the series

Lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games and his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6, thus needing Ray to force game 7

He was also a net negative for the series and his presence on the floor didn't increase team ORtg much, while Wade's presence was the driving force behind team ortg (see stats in previous post above (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13729756&postcount=2))

[TheCorporation]

2nd life performances don't count - Ray gave Lebron 2nd life after he wasn't good enough for 6 games and lost Miami the series

Lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games and his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6, thus needing Ray to force game 7

He was also a net negative for the series and his presence on the floor didn't increase team ORtg much, while Wade's presence was the driving force behind team ortg (see stats in previous post above (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13729756&postcount=2))


All that means is in the 2013 Finals during the last 4 games LeBron averaged:

32/10/7/3 on 48%

Thanks for playing

[3ball]

All that means is in the 2013 Finals during the last 4 games LeBron averaged:

32/10/7/3 on 48%

Thanks for playing

That's fine because his 23 on 43% wasn't enough thru 6 games

So Jesus had to give him 2nd life... saved his soul and wiped the slate clean... :applause:


https://media.tenor.com/images/bd28b4bd99e8534f5cff2d5efb6588ed/tenor.gif

[TheCorporation]

That's fine because his 23 on 43% thru 6 wasn't enough

So Jesus had to give him 2nd life... saved him his soul and wiped the slate clean


https://media.tenor.com/images/bd28b4bd99e8534f5cff2d5efb6588ed/tenor.gif


So any others to add?

List of Finals carries:
#1 2013 Game 7: Difference: +22.4 LeBron surpassed all three combined by 22.4

#2 1993 Game 4: Difference: -6.7 (Jordan did not surpass the three combined by 6.7)

[3ball]

So any others to add?

List of Finals carries:
#1 2013 Game 7: Difference: +22.4 LeBron surpassed all three combined by 22.4

#2 1993 Game 4: Difference: -6.7 (Jordan did not surpass the three combined by 6.7)
I'm sure MJ would've dropped 40 if his back was against the wall in a championship Game 7

but it never happened because MJ crushed all Finals from the outset and didn't need a 7th game - he didn't stink up the joint and then need a teammate to save him like lefraud

MJ never had a 7th game in the Finals, so your stats are apples and oranges

[SouBeachTalents]

I'm sure MJ would've dropped 40 if his back was against the wall in a championship Game 7

but it never happened because MJ crushed all Finals from the outset and didn't need a 7th game - he didn't stink up the joint and then need a teammate to save him like lefraud

MJ never had a 7th game in the Finals, so your stats are apples and oranges
Rodman in '96

[TheCorporation]

I'm sure MJ would've dropped 40 if his back was against the wall in a championship Game 7

but it never happened because MJ crushed all Finals from the outset and didn't need a 7th game - he didn't stink up the joint and then need a teammate to save him like lefraud

MJ never had a 7th game in the Finals, so your stats are apples and oranges

So MJ never had a bigger Finals carry than LeBron

Got it

Thanks again

[TheCorporation]

I'm sure MJ would've dropped 40 if his back was against the wall in a championship Game 7

but it never happened because MJ crushed all Finals from the outset and didn't need a 7th game - he didn't stink up the joint and then need a teammate to save him like lefraud

MJ never had a 7th game in the Finals, so your stats are apples and oranges

Well this is just plain hilarious

Along Came Scottie (1-9) ring a bell?

https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/AlongCameScottie.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/k4RZypFv/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

Also, he could never do something like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/zGFqRRpx/Record_Game_Finals.png

MJ without Pippen is basically Harden

https://i.postimg.cc/Nf8mwPSj/HardenMJ.jpg

[3ball]

Rodman in '96
MJ averaged 31 on 46% to get a 3-0 lead

So he never stunk up the joint and had a teammate save him like lebron in 13'

(16 on 39% thru 3 games... 23 on 43% thru 6..... thus needing Ray to force gm 7... Now imagine if he averaged 31 for the first 3 games instead of 16)

[And1AllDay]

Well this is just plain hilarious

Along Came Scottie (1-9) ring a bell?

https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/AlongCameScottie.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/k4RZypFv/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

Also, he could never do something like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/zGFqRRpx/Record_Game_Finals.png

MJ without Pippen is basically Harden

https://i.postimg.cc/Nf8mwPSj/HardenMJ.jpg

Ouch :oldlol:

[Manny98]

.

Heat ORtgN with Wade on floor:. 109.8
Heat ORtg w/out Wade on floor:. ..87.3
______________________________________________
...............Increase in team ORtg:. 22.5 (https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612748/onoffcourt-summary/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DIFF_DEF_RATING&dir=1&LastNGames=7)<--- link to NBA.com dara


Heat ORtgN with Lebron on floor:. 106.7
Heat ORtg w/out Lebron on floor:. ..98.8
______________________________________________
.....................Increase in team ORtg:.7.9 (https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612748/onoffcourt-summary/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DIFF_DEF_RATING&dir=1&LastNGames=7)
Kukoc had a higher net rating than MJ in both the 97 & 98 finals :oldlol:

[3ball]

Kukoc had a higher net rating than MJ in both the 97 & 98 finals :oldlol:
We aren't comparing role players, only the top dogs.. no apples and oranges, only apples and apples

And MJ was never a net negative like lebron - lebron' won a Finals where his team lost with him on the floor!!!.. :yaohappy:

[Vino24]

Kukoc had a higher net rating than MJ in both the 97 & 98 finals :oldlol:
but but MJ teammates were all trash? :biggums:

[3ball]

but but MJ teammates were all trash? :biggums:
We aren't comparing role players to the top dog, only the top dogs.. no apples and oranges, only apples and apples

And MJ was never a net negative like lebron - lebron won a Finals where his team lost with him on the floor!!!.. :yaohappy:..

[And1AllDay]

Kukoc had a higher net rating than MJ in both the 97 & 98 finals :oldlol:

Wrekt :oldlol: :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

but but MJ teammates were all trash? :biggums:

b-b-b-but MJ did it all :eek:

[And1AllDay]

3baLLLLLLLLL when you are done melting can you give the question some thought so we can add to the list


Re: Was 2013 Game 7 the biggest carry in Finals history?

Im sure you know all of Mikes games so which was his biggest Finals game carry if not his 55 point game didnt even come close

[bigkingsfan]

Kukoc had a higher net rating than MJ in both the 97 & 98 finals :oldlol:
Stop, drop, shut 'em down, open up shop.

[3ball]

Stop, drop, shut 'em down, open up shop.
only Lebron won a Finals where his team lost with him on the floor

MJ and Kobe were never a net negatives in Finals like lebron.. it's the very DEFINITION of carried... :banana:

[RealSkipBayless]

3ball vs 4 alts.

Good times. :cheers:

[bigkingsfan]

https://i.ibb.co/wWNr7jc/gettyimages-948784246-2048x2048.jpg

[Vino24]

only Lebron won a Finals where his team lost with him on the floor

MJ and Kobe were never a net negatives in Finals like lebron.. it's the very DEFINITION of carried... :banana:
LeBron also led everyone in everything and has been the only player to do that and beat the star studded Warriors :eek:

[And1AllDay]

Stop, drop, shut 'em down, open up shop.

Thats how Bron-Bron fam ROLLLLLLLLLLL

:hammertime:

[And1AllDay]

only Lebron won a Finals where his team lost with him on the floor

MJ and Kobe were never a net negatives in Finals like lebron.. it's the very DEFINITION of carried... :banana:

Its only thrown off becos I think it was game 2 there was a big blow out loss but anyway care to add to the list :oldlol:

[3ball]

LeBron also led everyone in everything and has been the only player to do that and beat the star studded Warriors :eek:


Kyrie was 2nd option but outplayed Curry (1st option)

So Lebron's 2nd option > Warriors' 1st option in that series

which means Lebron can outplay Klay (easy work), instead of curry (kyrie already did it)

Like, it's quite obvious in hindsight that lebron had the better cast:

Kyrie/Love > Klay/Dray.... But Kyrie was better than Klay and Curry in that series, and Draymond missed a game.. lebron had it easy - he didn't even need 30.0 ppg to win.. :facepalm

[Vino24]

Kyrie was 2nd option but outplayed Curry (1st option)

So Lebron's 2nd option > Warriors' 1st option in that series

which means Lebron can outplay Klay (easy work), instead of curry (kyrie already did it)

Like, it's quite obvious in hindsight that lebron had the better cast:

Kyrie/Love > Klay/Dray.... But Kyrie was better than Klay and Curry in that series and Draymond missed a game.. lebron had it easy - he didn't even need 30.0 ppg to win.. :facepalm
Kyrie was only able to outplay Curry for 2 games and that was because LeBron is the GOAT at elevating role players. Kyrie this year averaged a Kobesq 6/24 for an entire series. So you can see how important LeElevate is to Kyrie's success

[And1AllDay]

Kyrie was 2nd option but outplayed Curry (1st option)

So Lebron's 2nd option > Warriors' 1st option in that series

which means Lebron can outplay Klay (easy work), instead of curry (kyrie already did it)

Like, it's quite obvious in hindsight that lebron had the better cast:

Kyrie/Love > Klay/Dray.... But Kyrie was better than Klay and Curry in that series, and Draymond missed a game.. lebron had it easy - he didn't even need 30.0 ppg to win.. :facepalm

Kyrie :oldlol:

How did Kyrie do this year in the playoffs without Bran and playing on a solid team that was a few shots away from a Finals last year without him please fill me in

[And1AllDay]

Kyrie was only able to outplay Curry for 2 games and that was because LeBron is the GOAT at elevating role players. Kyrie this year averaged a Kobesq 6/24 for an entire series. So you can see how important LeElevate is to Kyrie's success


AND JUST LIKE THAT WE DONE DID IT :banana: :banana: :banana:

LeElevate :bowdown:

[3ball]

Kyrie :oldlol:

How did Kyrie do this year in the playoffs without Bran and playing on a solid team that was a few shots away from a Finals last year without him please fill me in
Kyrie made the 2nd Round, just like Pip

A 2nd round-caliber first option... Not bad.. :applause:

Except Kyrie averages 28 ppg on 47% in the Finals, compared to 19 on 42% for Pip... Yikes... :eek:

How does MJ win and lebron lose with that much supporting talent?.. obviously, lebron has a MASSIVE teamwork deficit

[ImKobe]

What about Game 6? 2/7 with 4 TOs in the last 7 minutes for the "GOAT" :kobe:

[SouBeachTalents]

What about Game 6? 2/7 with 4 TOs in the last 7 minutes for the "GOAT" :kobe:
Those numbers are wrong. He was 3/6 with 3 TO's in the last, arbitrary as fck, 7 minutes

Overall, 4th quarter & OT

18 points on 8/14, 4 assists, 4 turnovers, accounted for 28 of the Heat's 38 points

[ImKobe]

Those numbers are wrong. He was 3/6 with 3 TO's in the last, arbitrary as fck, 7 minutes

Overall, 4th quarter & OT

18 points on 8/14, 4 assists, 4 turnovers, accounted for 28 of the Heat's 38 points

3/6? What are you smoking?

Went off the top of my head but it was actually the last 9:01 that he went 2/7 with four turnovers. I don't know where you get 3/6 from because he made one shot in the last 4 minutes of the 4th quarter (the three pointer off his miss) and another shot in OT. He was 1/4 in the last 4 minutes of the 4th quarter and 1/3 in OT.

He had KILLER turnovers late in the 4th and in OT. He turned it over up 1 with 40 seconds left in OT, Bosh had two blocks after that to secure the win.

It still baffles me how the game went into OT when he turned it over twice in the last 40 seconds while going 1/3 from three. It has to be one of the most un-clutch games by a superstar in elimination.

[TheCorporation]

3/6? What are you smoking?

Went off the top of my head but it was actually the last 9:01 that he went 2/7 with four turnovers. I don't know where you get 3/6 from because he made one shot in the last 4 minutes of the 4th quarter (the three pointer off his miss) and another shot in OT. He was 1/4 in the last 4 minutes of the 4th quarter and 1/3 in OT.

He had KILLER turnovers late in the 4th and in OT. He turned it over up 1 with 40 seconds left in OT, Bosh had two blocks after that to secure the win.

It still baffles me how the game went into OT when he turned it over twice in the last 40 seconds while going 1/3 from three. It has to be one of the most un-clutch games by a superstar in elimination.


Ummm

6/24 :lol

[bigkingsfan]

It still baffles me how the game went into OT when he turned it over twice in the last 40 seconds while going 1/3 from three. It has to be one of the most un-clutch games by a superstar in elimination.
6/24 would like to have a word with you.

Final five minute
0/2 FG
3/4 FT Two were intentional

[ImKobe]

Ummm

6/24 :lol

Kobe put his team up in the 4th and they never trailed again.

Lebron's turnovers were just pathetic, the B2B ones should have cost him a championship but of course the gods bail him out.


6/24 would like to have a word with you.

Final five minute
0/2 FG
3/4 FT Two were intentional

So he scored as many points as Lebron in his last 5 but didn't turn the ball over 3 times in the process with two coming B2B within the last 40 seconds.


If we extend it to the last 9 like I did with Lebron, Kobe went 1/3 for 10 points with 0 turnovers vs Lebron going 2/7 with 5 points and 4 TO.

[SouBeachTalents]

3/6? What are you smoking?

Went off the top of my head but it was actually the last 9:01 that he went 2/7 with four turnovers. I don't know where you get 3/6 from because he made one shot in the last 4 minutes of the 4th quarter (the three pointer off his miss) and another shot in OT. He was 1/4 in the last 4 minutes of the 4th quarter and 1/3 in OT.

He had KILLER turnovers late in the 4th and in OT. He turned it over up 1 with 40 seconds left in OT, Bosh had two blocks after that to secure the win.

It still baffles me how the game went into OT when he turned it over twice in the last 40 seconds while going 1/3 from three. It has to be one of the most un-clutch games by a superstar in elimination.
That's wrong dawg, watch for yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrhWyujj8d0&t=219s

[RRR3]

ImMelting sobbing about LeBron being better than his hero yet again.




Yikes.

[TheCorporation]

What about Game 6? 2/7 with 4 TOs in the last 7 minutes for the "GOAT" :kobe:

I know hes only top 12 and obviously not on LeBron's level but Kobe's game 7 numbers are atrocious man...Like, really bad.

[ImKobe]

ImMelting sobbing about LeBron being better than his hero yet again.




Yikes.

2/7 5 points with 4 TO is apparently better than 1/3 10 points with 0 TO.

[bigkingsfan]

Kobe put his team up in the 4th and they never trailed again.

Lebron's turnovers were just pathetic, the B2B ones should have cost him a championship but of course the gods bail him out.



So he scored as many points as Lebron in his last 5 but didn't turn the ball over 3 times in the process with two coming B2B within the last 40 seconds.


If we extend it to the last 9 like I did with Lebron, Kobe went 1/3 for 10 points with 0 turnovers vs Lebron going 2/7 with 5 points and 4 TO.
No one does cutoff at 9, that's retarded.

Lebron shot better than the line too. He goes 6/24 and the comeback is not even possible.

[ImKobe]

No one does cutoff at 9, that's retarded.

Lebron shot better than the line too. He goes 6/24 and the comeback is not even possible.

Was he playing against Boston's defense? Do I have to remind you that he lost 3 straight to the 2010 Celtics, averaging 21 points on 34% shooting with over 6 turnovers a game? He lost to Boston at home by 32 points going 3/14 for 15 pts in 41 minutes. 3 straight games of shooting under 40% after being up 2 - 1 in the series. Kobe shot under 40% twice in the Finals.

[bigkingsfan]

Was he playing against Boston's defense? Do I have to remind you that he lost 3 straight to the 2010 Celtics, averaging 21 points on 34% shooting with over 6 turnovers a game? He lost to Boston at home by 32 points going 3/14 for 15 pts in 41 minutes. 3 straight games of shooting under 40% after being up 2 - 1 in the series. Kobe shot under 40% twice in the Finals.
2013 Spurs 58 wins
Def Rtg: 101.6 (3rd of 30

2010 Celtics 50 wins
Def Rtg: 103.8 (5th of 30)

[TheCorporation]

No one does cutoff at 9, that's retarded.

Lebron shot better than the line too. He goes 6/24 and the comeback is not even possible.

https://i.postimg.cc/CK9WwBPy/23to6to23.jpg

[ImKobe]

2013 Spurs 58 wins
Def Rtg: 101.6 (3rd of 30

2010 Celtics 50 wins
Def Rtg: 103.8 (5th of 30)


So how did Bran lose 3 straight to a team that won 11 less games?

[bigkingsfan]

So how did Bran lose 3 straight to a team that won 11 less games?
Cavs 2nd best player was a 37 yr old Shaq, one year away from retirement.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

We aren't comparing role players to the top dog, only the top dogs.. no apples and oranges, only apples and apples

And MJ was never a net negative like lebron - lebron won a Finals where his team lost with him on the floor!!!.. :yaohappy:..





What a waste of time comparing 6/6 vs a dude who, in 16 seasons, never won a ring in a full NBA season without a bailout shot by a teammate?


Facts.:facepalm

[And1AllDay]

What a waste of time comparing 6/6 vs a dude who, in 16 seasons, never won a ring in a full NBA season without a bailout shot by a teammate?


Facts.:facepalm

Yeah we get it Shaq :oldlol:

Was 2013 Game 7 the biggest carry in Finals history?

[aj1987]

.

Heat ORtgN with Wade on floor:. 109.8
Heat ORtg w/out Wade on floor:. ..87.3
______________________________________________
...............Increase in team ORtg:. 22.5 (https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612748/onoffcourt-summary/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DIFF_DEF_RATING&dir=1&LastNGames=7)<--- link to NBA.com dara


Heat ORtgN with Lebron on floor:. 106.7
Heat ORtg w/out Lebron on floor:. ..98.8
______________________________________________
.....................Increase in team ORtg:.7.9 (https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612748/onoffcourt-summary/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DIFF_DEF_RATING&dir=1&LastNGames=7)
How has literally no one called out 3ball on this? Are you really this retarded, 3ball? I'm pretty sure you even made this post into a thread, thinking that you found something new while wasting your life away on NBA.com's stats pages.

That's the Heat's DEFENSIVE Rating with Wade and LeBron On/Off the court. According to DRtg, the Heat had a DRtg of 109.8 with Wade ON the Court and 87.3 with him OFF the court. To make it simpler, the Spurs scored at a rate of 109.8 points per 100 possessions with Wade ON the court and were held to 87.3 points per 100 possessions with Wade OFF the Court.

Offensive rating? The Heat were a +16.5 with Wade OFF the court, according to ORtg.

[SpaceJam2]

How has literally no one called out 3ball on this? Are you really this retarded, 3ball? I'm pretty sure you even made this post into a thread, thinking that you found something new while wasting your life away on NBA.com's stats pages.

That's the Heat's DEFENSIVE Rating with Wade and LeBron On/Off the court. According to DRtg, the Heat had a DRtg of 109.8 with Wade ON the Court and 87.3 with him OFF the court.

Offensive rating? The Heat were a +16.5 with Wade OFF the court, according to ORtg.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[SpaceJam2]

Well this is just plain hilarious

Along Came Scottie (1-9) ring a bell?

https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/AlongCameScottie.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/k4RZypFv/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

Also, he could never do something like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/zGFqRRpx/Record_Game_Finals.png

MJ without Pippen is basically Harden

https://i.postimg.cc/Nf8mwPSj/HardenMJ.jpg

Bloodbath :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

If you look at Game Score disparity between the #1 option (LeBron) and his next 3 options (Wade) (Bosh) and (Allen) you find the following:

GameScore for Game 7, 2013 NBA Finals
LeBron: 32.5
Wade: 14.8
Bosh: -2.1
Allen: -2.6
Difference: 22.4 (LeBron surpassed the three combined by 22.4)


List of Finals carries:
#1 2013 Game 7: Difference: +22.4 LeBron surpassed all three combined by 22.4


Any others to add to the list?

Game 7 2013 NBA Finals: LeBron
ORtg: 144
DRtg: 95

[SpaceJam2]

Game 7 2013 NBA Finals: LeBron
ORtg: 144
DRtg: 95

Wow...:eek:

GOAT

[Cleverness]

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/lebron31.gif

[3ball]

MJ was much more dominant, so he didn't need a 7th game

Lebron was horrible thru 6 games, so he needed 7

It's that simple..

And we don't really know how good Lebron is - a lucky bounce in 13' or 16' makes him 2/9 or 1/9, so we don't know if he's really 3/9 caliber.. he's likely 2/9 or 1/9 if luck didn't exist

[Cleverness]

So 2013 Game 6 was a bigger carry. :eek:

[3ball]

So 2013 Game 6 was a bigger carry. :eek:
That's when Ray Allen carried Lebron's career in the palm of his hand

[aj1987]

Credit: The Corporation

Well this is just plain hilarious

Along Came Scottie (1-9) ring a bell?

https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/AlongCameScottie.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/k4RZypFv/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

Also, he could never do something like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/zGFqRRpx/Record_Game_Finals.png

MJ without Pippen is basically Harden

https://i.postimg.cc/Nf8mwPSj/HardenMJ.jpg

[TheCorporation]

Credit: The Corporation

Well this is just plain hilarious

Along Came Scottie (1-9) ring a bell?

https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/AlongCameScottie.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/k4RZypFv/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

Also, he could never do something like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/zGFqRRpx/Record_Game_Finals.png

MJ without Pippen is basically Harden

https://i.postimg.cc/Nf8mwPSj/HardenMJ.jpg

Woooooooo

[bullettooth]

And MJ was never a net negative like lebron - lebron' won a Finals where his team lost with him on the floor!!!.. :yaohappy:

Wait what? When???

[3ball]

Wait what? When???


Lebron's net efficiency in 2013 Finals:. -0.6

https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4


Lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games

Thru 6 games, his 23 on 43% was insufficient and needed Ray Allen to force game 7..

overall, he averaged 25.3 on 44.9% for the series

[TheCorporation]

List of Finals carries:
Any others to add to the list?

Game 7 2013 NBA Finals: LeBron
ORtg: 144
DRtg: 95
Net: +49 :eek:


#WheresMJ

[And1AllDay]

Kukoc had a higher net rating than MJ in both the 97 & 98 finals :oldlol:


Yikes

Mj off the list

[Duncan21formvp]

Not even close. Game 6 with Ray Allen was.

[aj1987]

needed Ray Allen to force game 7..
Yeah, it's not like LeBron scored 16 points on 7/10 shooting in the 4th Q of that game. Lets ignore that. ****ing retard.

[Gileraracer]

Why is he 3*/9? I thought he's the GOAT?

[Gunslinger]

Agreed.

Old man Duncan was 500 years old and nearly CARRIED the Spurs to another rang, outplaying an absolute PEAK Bran head-2-head in the process.

Game 6

Duncan: 30/17/1 on 62% FG with 2 TO's, 130 ORtg
LeBron: 32/10/11/3/1 on 42% with 6 TO's, 108 ORtg.

+16 for the game, highest out of everyone who played. Bran was -1 and only won because his teammates were more clutch and didn't choke/Pop is a fraud and benched his GOAT player who was dominating the game because he forgot who made him a "GOAT" coach.

Held Bosh to 10 points on 41% FG as well. Dominated on BOTH ends, GOAT 2-way player at age 973.

[TheCorporation]

List of Finals carries:
Any others to add to the list?

Game 7 2013 NBA Finals: LeBron
ORtg: 144
DRtg: 95
Net: +49 :eek:


#WheresMJ

Anyone?

[bullettooth]

Well this is just plain hilarious

Along Came Scottie (1-9) ring a bell?

https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/AlongCameScottie.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/k4RZypFv/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

Also, he could never do something like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/zGFqRRpx/Record_Game_Finals.png

MJ without Pippen is basically Harden

https://i.postimg.cc/Nf8mwPSj/HardenMJ.jpg


http://oi65.tinypic.com/2m5m5nn.jpg

[Mr Feeny]

Lebron's net efficiency in 2013 Finals:. -0.6

https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4


Lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games

Thru 6 games, his 23 on 43% was insufficient and needed Ray Allen to force game 7..

overall, he averaged 25.3 on 44.9% for the series

That's insane. I know he struggled before game 7 but I had no idea it was that bad.

[And1AllDay]

List of Finals carries:
Any others to add to the list?

Game 7 2013 NBA Finals: LeBron
ORtg: 144
DRtg: 95
Net: +49 :eek:


#WheresMJ


kinda quiet in here


3baLLLLLL ?

[Gunslinger]

That's insane. I know he struggled before game 7 but I had no idea it was that bad.

And the worst part about it? It was Boris Diaw that locked his ass down.

That's why I laugh whenever his stans try to claim he's a top 3 player of all time.

The man had Tony Parker on him one-on-one and was passing the ball back out.

It's almost like his fans don't actually watch games and just look at statsheets, except here the stats also say he was terrible and they still find a way to stick their heads in the sand.

:oldlol:

[tpols]

That's insane. I know he struggled before game 7 but I had no idea it was that bad.


it was a repeat of 2011 tbh...

to get those numbers when the defense is playing like 10 feet off you...literally daring you to shoot smh

[Mr Feeny]

it was a repeat of 2011 tbh...

to get those numbers when the defense is playing like 10 feet off you...literally daring you to shoot smh

They sagged off in the 2013 finals but I dont think they did so in 2011. In the Dallas series, he just froze. I'm not sure there's an equivalent in the major sports. The greatest player on the planet just....capitulated. His head was gone.

[ImKobe]

Lebron in 2013 Finals averaged less points and shot a worse TS% than MJ in any of his...maybe that's why Jordan never needed to win a Game 7 of the Finals...


List of Finals carries:
Any others to add to the list?

Game 7 2013 NBA Finals: LeBron
ORtg: 144
DRtg: 95
Net: +49 :eek:


#WheresMJ

1998 Finals Game 3: Michael Jordan

Ortg: 126
Drtg: 65
Net: +61 :eek:

[ScalsFan21]

My memory of 2013 was watching thinking "jeez, LeBron and Wade have shown up for a combined 2 games in the first 6". That series felt so immensely over as the 3rd quarter of Game 6 was coming to an end.

Then with his back against the wall, LeBron had his first truly DOMINANT quarter that people love to forget about because of his two late turnovers. A Pop-led team blowing a double digit lead in a championship closeout quarter. Our King had putback dunks/ layups, diming left and right, that clutch block on Duncan, some timely momentum plays in the 4th/OT.

And then yeah, Game 7 of course he was just a god. And they needed every bit of it.

[Mr Feeny]

My memory of 2013 was watching thinking "jeez, LeBron and Wade have shown up for a combined 2 games in the first 6". That series felt so immensely over as the 3rd quarter of Game 6 was coming to an end.

Then with his back against the wall, LeBron had his first truly DOMINANT quarter that people love to forget about because of his two late turnovers. A Pop-led team blowing a double digit lead in a championship closeout quarter. Our King had putback dunks/ layups, diming left and right, that clutch block on Duncan, some timely momentum plays in the 4th/OT.

And then yeah, Game 7 of course he was just a god. And they needed every bit of it.

He played leading up to crunch time in game 6 and then really struggled. It wasnt just the missed shots. It was the awkward, unforced turnovers. I have no idea what he was even thinking in some of those.

[sportjames23]

And the worst part about it? It was Boris Diaw that locked his ass down.

That's why I laugh whenever his stans try to claim he's a top 3 player of all time.

The man had Tony Parker on him one-on-one and was passing the ball back out.

It's almost like his fans don't actually watch games and just look at statsheets, except here the stats also say he was terrible and they still find a way to stick their heads in the sand.

:oldlol:


Speaking of Bron going one-on-one with a little guy:


https://i.ibb.co/yYDqjmC/nba-g-james-gb2-576.jpg

[ScalsFan21]

He played leading up to crunch time in game 6 and then really struggled. It wasnt just the missed shots. It was the awkward, unforced turnovers. I have no idea what he was even thinking in some of those.

Well yeah. The alley-oop to Bosh (or whatever it was) was horrific. :lol

[And1AllDay]

https://i.postimg.cc/CK9WwBPy/23to6to23.jpg

goodness

[GimmeThat]

expansion results in induction processing

[Sakkreth]

Jordan had the ultimate role players AND Pippen in all of his wins. Until then he was not winning.

[Stringer Bell]

How has literally no one called out 3ball on this? Are you really this retarded, 3ball? I'm pretty sure you even made this post into a thread, thinking that you found something new while wasting your life away on NBA.com's stats pages.

That's the Heat's DEFENSIVE Rating with Wade and LeBron On/Off the court. According to DRtg, the Heat had a DRtg of 109.8 with Wade ON the Court and 87.3 with him OFF the court. To make it simpler, the Spurs scored at a rate of 109.8 points per 100 possessions with Wade ON the court and were held to 87.3 points per 100 possessions with Wade OFF the Court.

Offensive rating? The Heat were a +16.5 with Wade OFF the court, according to ORtg.


:oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

Well this is just plain hilarious

Along Came Scottie (1-9) ring a bell?

https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/AlongCameScottie.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/k4RZypFv/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

Also, he could never do something like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/zGFqRRpx/Record_Game_Finals.png

MJ without Pippen is basically Harden

https://i.postimg.cc/Nf8mwPSj/HardenMJ.jpg

Issa wrap

[Keno]

Well this is just plain hilarious

Along Came Scottie (1-9) ring a bell?

https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/AlongCameScottie.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/k4RZypFv/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

Also, he could never do something like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/zGFqRRpx/Record_Game_Finals.png

MJ without Pippen is basically Harden

https://i.postimg.cc/Nf8mwPSj/HardenMJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/a4RpzLk.gif

[superduper]

https://i.imgur.com/a4RpzLk.gif

Cringe and imagine being an imgur nub

[Rico2016]

https://i.imgur.com/a4RpzLk.gif

https://i.postimg.cc/cLnyFVVQ/a4RpzLk.gif

[Rico2016]

Well this is just plain hilarious

Along Came Scottie (1-9) ring a bell?

https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/AlongCameScottie.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/k4RZypFv/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

Also, he could never do something like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/zGFqRRpx/Record_Game_Finals.png

MJ without Pippen is basically Harden

https://i.postimg.cc/Nf8mwPSj/HardenMJ.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/cLnyFVVQ/a4RpzLk.gif

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[And1AllDay]

Lebron in 2013 Finals averaged less points and shot a worse TS% than MJ in any of his...maybe that's why Jordan never needed to win a Game 7 of the Finals...



1998 Finals Game 3: Michael Jordan

Ortg: 126
Drtg: 65
Net: +61 :eek:

Mikes Game score was matched by Toni Kukoc that game


next :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

So Lebron was +45 for game 7 but still a net negative for the series??... :biggums:

So he was basically atrocious for Games 1-6?... :yaohappy:

(23 on 43% thru 6 games.. 16 on 39% thru 3)



Btw:

1998 Finals Game 3: Michael Jordan

Ortg: 126
Drtg: 65
Net: +61

:pimp:

mikes game score was matched by toni kukoc :oldlol:

imagine your biggest carry matched by toni kukoc :oldlol:

ya done?

[3ball]

Game 7 2013 NBA Finals: LeBron
ORtg: 144
DRtg: 95
Net: +49


#WheresMJ


So Lebron was +45 for game 7 but still a net negative for the series??... :biggums:

So he was basically atrocious for Games 1-6?... :yaohappy:

(23 on 43% thru 6 games.. 16 on 39% thru 3)

[And1AllDay]

So Lebron was +45 for game 7 but still a net negative for the series??... :biggums:

So he was basically atrocious for Games 1-6?... :yaohappy:

(23 on 43% thru 6 games.. 16 on 39% thru 3)


why was mikes biggest carry matched by toni kukoc 3baLLLLLLLLLLLL


we win again :hammertime:

[TheCorporation]

So Lebron was +45 for game 7 but still a net negative for the series??... :biggums:

So he was basically atrocious for Games 1-6?... :yaohappy:

(23 on 43% thru 6 games.. 16 on 39% thru 3)

You're a moron, I already told you this means he was like 35-10-7 on 52% for games 5, 6, and 7

Why are you so easy to slay? Get better material

PS: Kukoc clapped MJ's cheeks in his "best game" :lol

[3ball]

You're a moron, I already told you this means he was like 35-10-7 on 52% for games 5, 6, and 7

Why are you so easy to slay? Get better material

PS: Kukoc clapped MJ's cheeks in his "best game" :lol
Lebron was +43 in game 7 but a net negative for the series

So how bad was he the first 6 games? He was basically playing for the Spurs

Would you agree that the 13' Finals are his 3rd worst behind 11' and 07'??

[TheCorporation]

Lebron was +43 in game 7 but a net negative for the series

So how bad was he the first 6 games? He was basically playing for the Spurs

Would you agree that the 13' Finals are his 3rd worst behind 11' and 07'??

Umm...


If you look at Game Score disparity between the #1 option (LeBron) and his next 3 options (Wade) (Bosh) and (Allen) you find the following:

GameScore for Game 7, 2013 NBA Finals
LeBron: 32.5
Wade: 14.8
Bosh: -2.1
Allen: -2.6

Difference: 22.4 (LeBron surpassed the three combined by 22.4)

LeBron had a higher Game Score of 22.4 over the next three options (Wade, Bosh, and Allen) en route to a Finals win. Have we ever seen a bigger carry?

For comparison, Jordan's big 1993, 55-point game he had a Game Score of 38.6

GameScore for Game 4, 1993 NBA Finals
Jordan: 38.6
Pippen: 9.6
Grant: 23.4
Armstrong: 12.3

Difference: -6.7 (Jordan did not surpass the three combined by 6.7)

I'm sure you guys know of big carries in the Finals so let me know so we can find them.


List of Finals carries:
#1 2013 Game 7: Difference: +22.4 LeBron surpassed all three combined by 22.4

#2 1993 Game 4: Difference: -6.7 (Jordan did not surpass the three combined by 6.7)

[SpaceJam2]

Game 7 2013 = Biggest Carry in Finals history

ORtg: 144
DRtg: 95

Dagger jumper in Kawhi's face

37/12/4 on 52%

*Bosh and Allen combined for 2 points

Anyone?

[SpaceJam2]

Game 7 2013 = Biggest Carry in Finals history

ORtg: 144
DRtg: 95

Dagger jumper in Kawhi's face

37/12/4 on 52%

*Bosh and Allen combined for 2 points

Anyone?

Why is it so quiet all of a sudden when facts are presented and emotions set aside?

[SpaceJam2]

Well this is just plain hilarious

Along Came Scottie (1-9) ring a bell?

https://i.postimg.cc/wBLQqPp4/AlongCameScottie.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/k4RZypFv/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

Also, he could never do something like this:

https://i.postimg.cc/zGFqRRpx/Record_Game_Finals.png

MJ without Pippen is basically Harden

https://i.postimg.cc/Nf8mwPSj/HardenMJ.jpg

Goodness :lol

[ELITEpower23]

Game 7 2013 = Biggest Carry in Finals history

ORtg: 144
DRtg: 95

Dagger jumper in Kawhi's face

37/12/4 on 52%

*Bosh and Allen combined for 2 points

Anyone?

Guys?

[Axe]

Guys?
Something tells me this is pretty banworthy.

[ELITEpower23]

Something tells me this is pretty banworthy.

Easy RRR3, I'm just highlighting factoids

[BigShotBob]

So what happened in 2011?

[ELITEpower23]

So what happened in 2011?

Wadeball got the best of Miami. Thank god 12 and 13 was Bron ball. Oh and 2016 :D

[Axe]

Easy RRR3, I'm just highlighting factoids
Still being dumb as ever, i see.

[Lebron23]

All that means is in the 2013 Finals during the last 4 games LeBron averaged:

32/10/7/3 on 48%

Thanks for playing

Unbelieveable performance by the King.

[TheCorporation]

Unbelieveable performance by the King.

GOAT Game 7

Miller, Bosh and Allen had ZERO points combined :lol
0 for 14

[TheCorporation]

Game 7, LeBron's GameScore was the highest Finals game 7 in NBA history

[3ball]

Bulls would've lost every series that Jordan averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games, or 23 on 43% thru 6

So lebron's teammates saved him thru 6 games

That's why Jordan averaged 31 on 46% to get a 3-0 lead before he relaxed in 96'

[TheCorporation]

Bulls would've lost every series that Jordan averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games, or 23 on 43% thru 6

So lebron's teammates saved him thru 6 games

That's why Jordan averaged 31 on 46% to get a 3-0 lead before he relaxed in 96'

Was 2013 Game 7 the biggest carry in Finals history?

[3ball]

Was 2013 Game 7 the biggest carry in Finals history?


Three HOF teammates to take pressure off and defensive attention away?

Hell no

[Lebron23]

I watched that game again. That's an instant classic.

[Kiddlovesnets]

A better question is, why Lebron needed game 7 to beat the Spurs in 2013? The Heat was the better team and they almost lost in game 6, and their fans were acting as if they won as heavy underdogs against a superteam like 2017 Warriors.
:lol

[Stanley Kobrick]

I watched that game again. That's an instant classic.
kiddlovesnets seems to be following you around from thread to thread :(

[Lebron23]

kiddlovesnets seems to be following you around from thread to thread :(

He's gay

[Stanley Kobrick]

He's gay
it seems you've made him quite agitated :ohwell:

[Kiddlovesnets]

kiddlovesnets seems to be following you around from thread to thread :(

He spams this forum, hes a troll and I need to pwn him in these stupid threads/posts he makes.


He's gay

Oh you are gay for Lebron, except Lebron is straight and doesnt want you. How sad...
:(

[kawhileonard2]

Went 7 games against an old and inferior team and was even down 3-2 in the series. Ray Allen saved Lebron's legacy.

[SouBeachTalents]

Went 7 games against an old and inferior team and was even down 3-2 in the series. Ray Allen saved Lebron's legacy.
I remember that Game 7

https://nesn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/lebron-dagger.gif

[Axe]

kiddlovesnets seems to be following you around from thread to thread :(
:ohwell:

[TheCorporation]

I watched that game again. That's an instant classic.

Greatest game 7 Finals performance in league history :cheers:

[light]

Bron's game 7s are legendary. Best clutch player in history.

He won that game with a jumper over Kawhi Leonard who stupidly went under a screen even though LeBron was lighting it up from outside all game long.

[Gohan]

Lol if 37 points is the biggest carry then that’s sad. Don’t even care about his rebs or assists

[2much_knowledge]

Another day, another thread about sucking Bron dry lol

This thread doesn't distract me from that brick that allowed the real heroes Bosh with the rebound and Allen with the shot. I would have been 1/4 with a team that stacked. Thank God for Bosh and Allen

[kawhileonard2]

I remember that Game 7

https://nesn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/lebron-dagger.gif

Why did he need soo many picks on that?

[TheCorporation]

Lol if 37 points is the biggest carry then that’s sad. Don’t even care about his rebs or assists

#3 option Bosh = 0 points
#4 option Miller = 0 points
#5 option Allen = 0 points

LBJ ORtg, 144, DRtg, 95
50% from 3
100% from FT

Suck it

[2much_knowledge]

#3 option Bosh = 0 points
#4 option Miller = 0 points
#5 option Allen = 0 points

LBJ ORtg, 144, DRtg, 95
50% from 3
100% from FT

Suck it

Speaking of sucking it lol. Haven't had enough for the day? Lololol

[aj1987]

Speaking of sucking it lol. Haven't had enough for the day? Lololol

Get absolutely wrecked with FACTS and start melting down like a blithering idiot. Pretty much sums up all LeBron haters.

[8Ball]

If you look at Game Score disparity between the #1 option (LeBron) and his next 3 options (Wade) (Bosh) and (Allen) you find the following:

GameScore for Game 7, 2013 NBA Finals
LeBron: 32.5
Wade: 14.8
Bosh: -2.1
Allen: -2.6

Difference: 22.4 (LeBron surpassed the three combined by 22.4)

LeBron had a higher Game Score of 22.4 over the next three options (Wade, Bosh, and Allen) en route to a Finals win. Have we ever seen a bigger carry?

For comparison, Jordan's big 1993, 55-point game he had a Game Score of 38.6

GameScore for Game 4, 1993 NBA Finals
Jordan: 38.6
Pippen: 9.6
Grant: 23.4
Armstrong: 12.3

Difference: -6.7 (Jordan did not surpass the three combined by 6.7)

I'm sure you guys know of big carries in the Finals so let me know so we can find them.


List of Finals carries:
#1 2013 Game 7: Difference: +22.4 LeBron surpassed all three combined by 22.4

#2 1993 Game 4: Difference: -6.7 (Jordan did not surpass the three combined by 6.7)

The answer is yes.

[Bronbron23]

If you look at Game Score disparity between the #1 option (LeBron) and his next 3 options (Wade) (Bosh) and (Allen) you find the following:

GameScore for Game 7, 2013 NBA Finals
LeBron: 32.5
Wade: 14.8
Bosh: -2.1
Allen: -2.6

Difference: 22.4 (LeBron surpassed the three combined by 22.4)

LeBron had a higher Game Score of 22.4 over the next three options (Wade, Bosh, and Allen) en route to a Finals win. Have we ever seen a bigger carry?

For comparison, Jordan's big 1993, 55-point game he had a Game Score of 38.6

GameScore for Game 4, 1993 NBA Finals
Jordan: 38.6
Pippen: 9.6
Grant: 23.4
Armstrong: 12.3

Difference: -6.7 (Jordan did not surpass the three combined by 6.7)

I'm sure you guys know of big carries in the Finals so let me know so we can find them.


List of Finals carries:
#1 2013 Game 7: Difference: +22.4 LeBron surpassed all three combined by 22.4

#2 1993 Game 4: Difference: -6.7 (Jordan did not surpass the three combined by 6.7)

Hard to say i guy who had wade and bosh accomplished the buggest carry job ever but he was impressive and obviously carried a big load.

[2much_knowledge]

Get absolutely wrecked with FACTS and start melting down like a blithering idiot. Pretty much sums up all LeBron haters.

Are you his alt? Don't worry, after he is done hogging his **** im sure there will be a little bit for you lol

[KirbyPls]

Get absolutely wrecked with FACTS and start melting down like a blithering idiot. Pretty much sums up all LeBron haters.

Ether.

[KirbyPls]

Did anyone actually present a counter or other example to OP's premise?

I see a lot of meltdowns by the usual suspects but no facts.

Typical.

[KirbyPls]

Why did he need soo many picks on that?

Sealing LeDos. :pimp:

[2much_knowledge]

Did anyone actually present a counter or other example to OP's premise?

I see a lot of meltdowns by the usual suspects but no facts.

Typical.

How about you lead by example an enter my thread and explain how a player who is more accomplished than 2 of the best 15 of all time put together, ain't the goat. I wanna hear it

[Gohan]

Get absolutely wrecked with FACTS and start melting down like a blithering idiot. Pretty much sums up all LeBron haters.

He got wrecked? Nikka you softer than baby thighs. Shut it for you get rolled on

[TheCorporation]

Did anyone actually present a counter or other example to OP's premise?

I see a lot of meltdowns by the usual suspects but no facts.

Typical.

Usually when I come around it's a lot of hurt feelings.

I'm still waiting for a second place competitor but no one is coming close to LBJ.

[Shooter]

The answer is yes.

https://i.postimg.cc/qqDJf8TV/Le-Goat-Things.jpg

We just win

We just stack