Kawhi won Game 1 2019 with 23 points on 35%, LeBron lost Game 1 2018 with 51/8/8

[Dray n Klay]

Why?

[warriorfan]

Leonard plays defense

[FKAri]

Leonard plays defense
Uncharacteristically bad D tonight from him. Guess he's saving it for Ayesha.

[TheMan]

Leonard plays defensethis

and facilitates better...instead of hogging the ball and making his teammates glorified jump shooters.

[ThiccBoi]

Leonard plays defense
:oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Uncharacteristically bad D tonight from him. Guess he's saving it for Ayesha.


https://media.giphy.com/media/sywL9wO1O8MBa/giphy.gif

[ArbitraryWater]

this

and facilitates better...instead of hogging the ball and making his teammates glorified jump shooters.

i literally saw him do this twice including once where vanvleet had to take a fallaway 3 at the shotclock buzzer, which was more blatant than lebron's ever done it


please stop going full retard

[PistonsFan#21]

Uncharacteristically bad D tonight from him. Guess he's saving it for Ayesha.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Aff4ryYiacUO4/giphy.gif

[TheMan]

i literally saw him do this twice including once where vanvleet had to take a fallaway 3 at the shotclock buzzer, which was more blatant than lebron's ever done it


please stop going full retard
:biggums:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Insecure much?

[Spurs m8]

Amazing what happens when you go for the win instead of empty stats...and aren't team cancer.

Cry harder though, OP, you fvcking basement dwelling f@ggot

[NBAGOAT]

:biggums:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Insecure much?

i mean if you think kawhi is a better facilitator than bron, you're trolling as much as any bron stan here. You say bron makes people spot up shooters, where do you think the raptors were getting plenty of their offense from tonight and really all season :lol

[SomeBlackDude]

Leonard plays defense

rip thread.

we hardly knew ye.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/l4FGjC1OWdfgRHmms/source.gif

[And1AllDay]

Leonard has Siakam and Gasol and Bran has Kevin Love and Jeff Green :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

:biggums:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Insecure much?

insecure doesnt fit what you bolded at all, dumbass

insecure would be adressing something else for no good reason


your IQ is L-O-W

[SomeBlackDude]

a hobbled kawhi now has as many wins vs the dubs in 1 game of the finals as le10th seed has in the past 2 years in the finals.

put that in your pipe.

now smoke it.

[TheMan]

insecure doesnt fit what you bolded at all, dumbass

insecure would be adressing something else for no good reason


your IQ is L-O-W
Your insecurities are pouring through your posts, you literally claimed Kawhi is a more blatant ball hogger than LeBron...you are straight retarded if you really believe that :roll:

[Dray n Klay]

a hobbled kawhi now has as many wins vs the dubs in 1 game of the finals as le10th seed has in the past 2 years in the finals.

put that in your pipe.

now smoke it.


So why did he only need 23 points on 35%

[SomeBlackDude]

So why did he only need 23 points on 35%

because $tats.

[TheMan]

So why did he only need 23 points on 35%
Because he actually plays D and shares the rock...he's not stat padding to the detriment of his team. What part of that isn't getting through your thick skull :confusedshrug:

[SomeBlackDude]

What part of that isn't getting through your thick skull :confusedshrug:


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_YODg65nll_o/SkIrfVUqMtI/AAAAAAABzkY/Xf7f_skW1R8/s600/news_lebron-james-check-my-stats-1.jpg

[Vino24]

it's pretty fvcking clear that Kawhi has a better supporting cast than LeBron had last year.

[3ball]

That's Durant's impact, and bran gave up in the OT

And how could lebron expect to win when he held the ball longer than Harden?

Lebron held the ball for 11.0 minutes per game in the 18' Finals - that's 20% more than Harden's ridiculous ball-domination in the 19' regular season

So as usual, Lebron employed a shit brand of ball that had little chance of winning.. it isn't just the boxscore - it's how those stats were achieved and how that brand affects teammates.. in lebron's case, his brand kills teammates and teamwork, so he loses

[And1AllDay]

That's Durant's impact, and bran gave up in the OT

And how could lebron expect to win when he held the ball longer than Harden?

Lebron held the ball for 11.0 minutes per game in the 18' Finals - that's 20% more than Harden's ridiculous ball-domination in the 19' regular season

So as usual, Lebron employed a shit brand of ball that had little chance of winning.. it isn't just the boxscore - it's how those stats were achieved and how that brand affects teammates.. in lebron's case, his brand kills teammates and teamwork, so he loses

right so he was supposed to have the ball in Jeff Greens hand more then he would have won :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Dray n Klay]

:eek:

[dazzer87]

Leonard plays defense
https://media.giphy.com/media/l0ErLeqamV3UOARsA/giphy.gif

[bullettooth]

Raptors don't have a single lottery pick player on their roster.

LeBron was always looking for shortcut, thus the nickname 'LeShortcut.' He deserved to lose... and he delivered in spectacular fashion.

[3ball]

:eek:
Show me a game where Lebron's team out-assisted the Warriors like the Raps did tonight, 25-19... :pimp:

And I'll show you a game they probably won... :confusedshrug:

Lebron simply plays a shit brand of selfish, low ball movement, low team assist, me-first basketball

Who dominates the ball more than Harden's ridiculous loser style??? LEBRON DOES

Of course, Lebron has more success than Harden because lebron is bigger/better, and he stacked the deck in a weak conference to make a bunch of Finals.. but he still employs a loser brand and is a loser, 3/9

[Dray n Klay]

Show me a game where Lebron's team out-assisted the Warriors like the Raps did tonight, 25-19... :pimp:

And I'll show you a game they probably won... :confusedshrug:

Lebron simply plays a shit brand of selfish, low ball movement, low team assist, me-first basketball

Who dominates the ball more than Harden's ridiculous loser style??? LEBRON DOES

Lebron has more success than Harden because lebron is bigger/better, and he stacked the deck in a weak conference to make a bunch of Finals.

Why was 4 rebounds and 2 assists enough for MJ in 1998? :confusedshrug:

[And1AllDay]

Why was 4 rebounds and 2 assists enough for MJ in 1998? :confusedshrug:

:eek:

[3ball]

Why was 4 rebounds and 2 assists enough for MJ in 1998? :confusedshrug:
Because him and Kobe are the only guys in history to average over 30 in a below-90 pace Finals

So in the toughest defensive environment possible, only MJ and Kobe can dominate

Oh, and goat clutch.. 1-of-a-kind scoring and goat clutch - that's why he could win with 4 and 2.

[SomeBlackDude]

Why was 4 rebounds and 2 assists enough for MJ in 1998? :confusedshrug:

boiled, then melted down. (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13559567&postcount=34)

you're welcome. :cheers:

https://66.media.tumblr.com/fc7f88d41ebdf0982b4753294035f444/tumblr_oepia6Aen21s3gys4o1_400.gif

[SamuraiSWISH]

Leonard plays defense
:eek:

[sportjames23]

Leonard plays defense

First reply wig snatch. :cheers:

[3ball]

Lebron Game 7 of 2016 Finals - 27 on 39%.. 5 TO

Lebron Game 2 of 2013 Finals - 17 on 41%.. 2 TO

Kawhi. Game 1 of 2019 Finals - 23 on 35%.. 2 TO

[Dray n Klay]

Lebron Game 7 of 2016 Finals - 27 on 39%.. 5 TO

Lebron Game 2 of 2013 Finals - 17 on 41%.. 2 TO

Kawhi. Game 1 of 2019 Finals - 23 on 35%.. 2 TO

Rebounds and assists?

[3ball]

Rebounds and assists?
Raps out-assisted the Warriors 25-19, while Lebron's teams got slaughtered in assists

Not sure about the rebounds

[Dray n Klay]

:eek:

[Bawkish]

:eek:

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[ImKobe]

Why was 4 rebounds and 2 assists enough for MJ in 1998? :confusedshrug:

Slower pace.
Scored 38% of his team's points so he didn't need to assist anyone. Scored 45 of his team's 87 points in Game 6.
Played defense.

[Gileraracer]

Leonard plays defense

Damn :roll:

[r0drig0lac]

Leonard plays defense
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[NBASTATMAN]

KAWHI is a great player but he is playing on a GREAT TEAM that would easily make the playoffs without him.. They were making the playoffs in previous seasons and got better this season by adding defensive players like green and gasol.. Both can score when needed as well..

They went 17-5 when Kawhi was out.. The Cavs didnt even win 20 games with Lebron gone IN AN ENTIRE SEASON..

Lebron is just GOAT LEVEL.. Kawhi is one of the best right now and he is sure fun to watch.. But at this point he isnt GOAT LEVEL.. He may get there at one point..

[plowking]

Yeah and?

[NBASTATMAN]

Because him and Kobe are the only guys in history to average over 30 in a below-90 pace Finals

So in the toughest defensive environment possible, only MJ and Kobe can dominate

Oh, and goat clutch.. 1-of-a-kind scoring and goat clutch - that's why he could win with 4 and 2.


lebron did it as well vs the same team KOBE DID IT TOO.. Lebron was much more efficient..

GOT YA .. LEBRON must be the second GREATEST SCORER EVER.. THANKS 3BALL :banana: :applause:

[NZStreetBaller]

If u havent realised stat stuffing doesnt always mean you are the best player or that youre giving your team the best chances of winning which means it doesnt make you the best player always.

The obvious intention of thos thread was lebron had better stats then kawhi against the same team that means kawhis has better team mates.... grow up dude youve been watching basketball a long time.

[ArbitraryWater]

a hobbled kawhi now has as many wins vs the dubs in 1 game of the finals as le10th seed has in the past 2 years in the finals.

put that in your pipe.

now smoke it.

yea, isnt that kinda exposing your logic though, considering even you would see that le10th seed played 3 times as good as kiwi did? :lol

what happens when siakam grabs FMVP?

"this is how you can win if you allow your teammates to shine, unlike what le10thseed did in 2011" ?

[ArbitraryWater]

If u havent realised stat stuffing doesnt always mean you are the best player or that youre giving your team the best chances of winning which means it doesnt make you the best player always.

The obvious intention of thos thread was lebron had better stats then kawhi against the same team that means kawhis has better team mates.... grow up dude youve been watching basketball a long time.

stat stuffing?


Are you retarded?


What part of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcP6oyahcEU

is stat stuffing?

[PP34Deuce]

In a slower paced game.. no Kevin Durant is a sigh of relief for a SF.

Green and Lowry Along with van fleet were chasing curry around.

Klay doesnt voluntarily put the ball on the floor and Draymond is checked by pascal.

Kawhi is able to breathe defensively until KD comes back. I dont see KD coming back though.

[tpols]

KAWHI is a great player but he is playing on a GREAT TEAM that would easily make the playoffs without him.. They were making the playoffs in previous seasons and got better this season by adding defensive players like green and gasol.. Both can score when needed as well..

They went 17-5 when Kawhi was out.. The Cavs didnt even win 20 games with Lebron gone IN AN ENTIRE SEASON..

Lebron is just GOAT LEVEL.. Kawhi is one of the best right now and he is sure fun to watch.. But at this point he isnt GOAT LEVEL.. He may get there at one point..


LeBron would've destroyed torontos ball movement.

They had 25 dimes last night... That s 80s Celtics, Lakers, 10s dubs numbers.

LeBron doesn't allow that.

[Dray n Klay]

LeBron would've destroyed torontos ball movement.

They had 25 dimes last night... That s 80s Celtics, Lakers, 10s dubs numbers.

LeBron doesn't allow that.

You

[ArbitraryWater]

LeBron would've destroyed torontos ball movement.

They had 25 dimes last night... That s 80s Celtics, Lakers, 10s dubs numbers.

LeBron doesn't allow that.


when will you realize you're living a lie?


your whole ideology is built on a huge leap of faith, one you're not interested in ever knowing the truth about?

[tpols]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]You

[Kingwillball]

Quite simply Warriors were a better team last year.

[FireDavidKahn]

Because he didn't have Pascal

[paksat]

when will you realize you're living a lie?


your whole ideology is built on a huge leap of faith, one you're not interested in ever knowing the truth about?

Your entire life is built on a meltdown, that you attempt to release on others so you can look at your ugly self in the mirror without breaking down. It's a psychological trick you play on your mind, have you seen the movie memento?

That's you, with a L3collude jersey on screaming "it was 6 finals wins and 3 losses!!!"

I'm sorry kid, take your meds now

[Hey Yo]

this

and facilitates better...instead of hogging the ball and making his teammates glorified jump shooters.
:oldlol:

dumb

[Hey Yo]

Raptors don't have a single lottery pick player on their roster.

LeBron was always looking for shortcut, thus the nickname 'LeShortcut.' He deserved to lose... and he delivered in spectacular fashion.
Your hero came back with 17gms left in the season to try to win a ring the cheapest way possible.

[TheBranStan]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]You

[SpaceJam2]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]You

[TheMan]

:oldlol:

dumb
Kawhi facilitates within the flow of the offense, he doesn't hold on to the ball for 20 seconds to stat pad on assists to his team's detriment :confusedshrug:

[305Baller]

Kawhi led the team with a +11 efficiency. Yall are dumb as fuccccckkk

[superduper]

Kawhi led the team with a +11 efficiency. Yall are dumb as fuccccckkk

Yeah Bran stans straight up do not know what basketball is.

[superduper]

Kawhi facilitates within the flow of the offense, he doesn't hold on to the ball for 20 seconds to stat pad on assists to his team's detriment :confusedshrug:

This is literally the reality of the situation and Bran stans will always refuse to acknowldge it or make up some fabricated delusion to discredit this logic.

[NBASTATMAN]

LeBron would've destroyed torontos ball movement.

They had 25 dimes last night... That s 80s Celtics, Lakers, 10s dubs numbers.

LeBron doesn't allow that.


MAYBE you never know.. Lebron has done his thing.. It is Kawhi's turn and that is fine by me..

GSW losing is the best thing imo.. KD stays at 2 and Curry stays at 3.. Meanwhile its been proven that GSW can get to the finals without KD even with a team that was missing 2 of 5 starters.. :banana:

Meanwhile Lebron's teams cant even get close to the playoffs when he isnt playing for them anymore.. THAT SHOWS HIS IMPACT..

IMPACT wise LEBRON is higher level than even MJ.. That is a fact.. Mj is the best individual player ever though..

[Gougou]

Yeah he didn't have Pascal, Gasol, and a bench that can score.


Also if Smith didn't pull that stuff they might won, and Love choked.

[The Iron Fist]

Yeah he didn't have Pascal, Gasol, and a bench that can score.


Also if Smith didn't pull that stuff they might won, and Love choked.
He picked his own team and players. LeGM! No?:confusedshrug:

[Dray n Klay]

He picked his own team and players. LeGM! No?:confusedshrug:
No

[eliteballer]

Leonard didn't need to juice up before the Finals though..

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-lebron-james-udonis-haslem-s20180614-story.html

[And1AllDay]

Leonard has Siakam and Gasol and Bran has Kevin Love and Jeff Green :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

this is the bottom truth

[Bronbron23]

Why?

Come on bruh this is a simple one. Kawhi played elite d and lebron in 18 played very little. Raps also have better movement. Lebrons ball dominant style in Cleveland was predictable as hell.

[Axe]

this is the bottom truth
Reasons again? 🥴

[warriorfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKjNWFqrAIg&app=desktop

[aj1987]

Come on bruh this is a simple one. Kawhi played elite d and lebron in 18 played very little. Raps also have better movement. Lebrons ball dominant style in Cleveland was predictable as hell.

How did you go from being a decent poster to being this ****ing stupid?

KD did not play G1. Siakam, FVV, and Gasol torched the Warriors. Kawhi was trash in that game. KD also shot 36% in G1 of the '18 Finals. Lets not forget that little fact. The Cavs outside LeBron shot 37% in that G1. The Raptors outside Kawhi (36%) shot 54%.

[Axe]

How did you go from being a decent poster to being this ****ing stupid?

KD did not play G1. Siakam, FVV, and Gasol torched the Warriors. Kawhi was trash in that game. KD also shot 36% in G1 of the '18 Finals. Lets not forget that little fact. The Cavs outside LeBron shot 37% in that G1. The Raptors outside Kawhi (36%) shot 54%.
Kawhi was obviously letting go off the gas pedal during that game in order to reserve his energy for bigger, crucial games when it completely mattered the most.

[And1AllDay]

Come on bruh this is a simple one. Kawhi played elite d and lebron in 18 played very little. Raps also have better movement. Lebrons ball dominant style in Cleveland was predictable as hell.

you are wrong and should feel bad or being wrong kawhi's 2019 defense was terrible. Plus dont forget he had siakam and green and gasol to help out

his def rtg was very bad for kawhi at 103. kawhi in his prime did 103 for 2019 playoffs

lebrons career def rtg is 102. ok? a PRIMED out kawhi had 103 def rtg, but lebrons CAREER is 102

so you lose there

ready for more losses? Sure he they go:

In 2019 playoffs kawhi was a poor defender in dbpm as well:

2019 kawhi: 2.4
2018 lebron: 2.6

:oldlol: you lose again.

this is getting 2 ez

:dancin

please. try. again. fool.

2018 lebron had better defense numbers than a prime 2019 kawhi

let.
that.
sink.
innnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

[And1AllDay]

How did you go from being a decent poster to being this ****ing stupid?

KD did not play G1. Siakam, FVV, and Gasol torched the Warriors. Kawhi was trash in that game. KD also shot 36% in G1 of the '18 Finals. Lets not forget that little fact. The Cavs outside LeBron shot 37% in that G1. The Raptors outside Kawhi (36%) shot 54%.

he is the other poster lost cause I think, and tried to hide it for long but got caught. he is exposed for it.

[Gougou]

Game 1 Green got exposed by Leonard 2nd option Siakam ...

Also Raptors had better bench and defense.

[aj1987]

Kawhi was obviously letting go off the gas pedal during that game in order to reserve his energy for bigger, crucial games when it completely mattered the most.

The **** are you babbling about? :oldlol:

It's a FINALS game. You don't coast during a Finals game, kiddo.

[Axe]

The **** are you babbling about? :oldlol:

It's a FINALS game. You don't coast during a Finals game, kiddo.
Yet they still won? Lmao.

Either way, there's just no way that the warriors are winning that game. And the two games they've won during that series only had a mere 3-point differential and they've even almost squandered them both.

[Roundball_Rock]

It's a FINALS game. You don't coast during a Finals game, kiddo.

Especially Game 1 when you are the underdog and need the W...

[Axe]

🥱🥴

[Bronbron23]

How did you go from being a decent poster to being this ****ing stupid?

KD did not play G1. Siakam, FVV, and Gasol torched the Warriors. Kawhi was trash in that game. KD also shot 36% in G1 of the '18 Finals. Lets not forget that little fact. The Cavs outside LeBron shot 37% in that G1. The Raptors outside Kawhi (36%) shot 54%.
To he honest i didn't really read the title correctly. I thought it was talking anout the whole series which dosnt really chsnge things much.

You basically made my second point about play styles. Kawhi played within a system which emphasis more on and off ball movement. Bron played in a ball dominated system where one guy is responsible for making plays. That coukd have something to do with lebrons teammates shooting 37% and kawhis shooting 54%. Ball moving systems are almost always superior to ball dominant ones

[Bronbron23]

you are wrong and should feel bad or being wrong kawhi's 2019 defense was terrible. Plus dont forget he had siakam and green and gasol to help out

his def rtg was very bad for kawhi at 103. kawhi in his prime did 103 for 2019 playoffs

lebrons career def rtg is 102. ok? a PRIMED out kawhi had 103 def rtg, but lebrons CAREER is 102

so you lose there

ready for more losses? Sure he they go:

In 2019 playoffs kawhi was a poor defender in dbpm as well:

2019 kawhi: 2.4
2018 lebron: 2.6

:oldlol: you lose again.

this is getting 2 ez

:dancin

please. try. again. fool.

2018 lebron had better defense numbers than a prime 2019 kawhi

let.
that.
sink.
innnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

Why do u guys always bring up drtg. Its a trash way to compare defenders. There were years where jj red was one of the best guard defenders in the league according to drtg even though hes an absolutely terrible defender.

Anyone with 2 eyes could see kawhi was a much better defender in 2018. Its not even close. No kawhi wasn't hus best version on that end but he was much better than lebron.

Lebron has had some atg years as a defender but 2018 wasn't one of them. I dont know how anyone could actually think lebron was ever a better defender than kawhi in the last 4 or 5 years.

[aj1987]

To he honest i didn't really read the title correctly. I thought it was talking anout the whole series which dosnt really chsnge things much.

You basically made my second point about play styles. Kawhi played within a system which emphasis more on and off ball movement. Bron played in a ball dominated system where one guy is responsible for making plays. That coukd have something to do with lebrons teammates shooting 37% and kawhis shooting 54%. Ball moving systems are almost always superior to ball dominant ones

Who the **** is making plays on the Cavs outside LeBron? :oldlol: Do you want Magic or Isiah to play off ball and run around screens the whole game? Go and watch the game. The Cavs were flat out trash. They were missing open shots all game.

Again, KD did not play in that game. The Raptors outside Kawhi were significantly better than the Cavs outside LeBron. Give LeBron that same Raps team and he probably sweeps the Warriors.