Myths perpetuated by LeBron haters about the 2014 finals... debunked

[AussieSteve]

I'm not a LeBron stan. I just want to call out BS when I see it.

Presented here are some myths perpetuated by tards who try and turn LeBron's 2014 Finals performance into something that it wasn't. Debunked

1. LeBron was outplayed by Kawhi.

LeBron averaged 28.2ppg on 68%ts. Kawhi averaged 17.8ppg on 75%ts. Not even close. And don't say 'defense', both were 2nd team All-D that season. Statistically, LeBron was the best player in the series by a large margin, averaging 10.2ppg more than anyone else from either team.


2. LeBron stat padded with games out of reach to get numbers that look better than his performances warranted.

There was not a single game when Lebron stat padded in the 4th.

Game 1.
- James leaves the game with cramps with 7:31 to go. Heat up by 2.
- He comes back in with 4:33 to go. Heat down by 4.
- Scores a bucket with 4:09 left, then leaves the game for good. Heat down by 2
- Heat end up losing by 15.
- no statpadding

Game 2
LeBron scores 35 and Heat win by 2. No stat padding to be had here.

Game 3
- LeBron's last points were with 6:31 remaining, after which the score was 97-84.
- no stat padding.

Game 4
- LeBron had 28 points after 3 quarters, 19 in the third, and the Heat were still down by 24.
- he only played 4:54 in the 4th, had one rebound and no points.
- no stat padding

Game 5
- LeBron had 27 points after 3 quarters and the Heat were still down by 19.
- LeBron scored his last points with 7:32 remaining and sat out the last 6:30.
- no stat padding.

In the four games the Heat lost, LeBron average 24.0 points in the first 3 quarters, only to be facing a blow out 3 out of 4 games. He then averaged just 2.5 in fourth quarters, BECAUSE HE DID NOT ONCE STAT PAD.


3. LeBron's team was stacked and he still couldn't get it done against past their prime has-beens and a baby Kawhi.

The 2014 finals were almost as big a carry job as the 2015 finals for LeBron. Wade and Bosh, the two guys that supposedly made the team stacked, COMBINED for 29.2 points and 9.0 rebounds a game. Ray Allen was 38. Rashard Lewis was 34. The team was literally LeBron and corpses of former great players.

Interestingly, Wade averaged 4.7 points in the 4th quarters of the three blow out losses, and 2 points in the 4th of the two games they actually had a chance in down the stretch. If anyone stat-padded it was Wade, meaning that Wade's 15.2ppg for the series is flattering number.

Forget the 3/9 narratives. LeBron was objectively great in the 2014 finals, but outside of him the Heat were completely out-matched at all positions and off the bench.

Conclusion
LeBron played great. As well as one could have asked of him. Given that he averaged 24.6ppg in Q1-Q3 across the series, the truth is that his overall numbers do not reflect how great he played, because he scored so little in 4th quarters, because his team was constantly blown out.

At the very least, in terms of level of individual play, LeBron's 2014 finals performance was:
- on par with Kobe's best Finals. Likely better than any of Kobe's Finals.
- on par with any of Jordan's 2nd 3peat Finals.

[ArbitraryWater]

as always, very well done...


it will fall on deaf ears though. the haters on here and in general arent interestedin the truth, and nothing will ever budge or derail them from their initial narrative.


but its great to have this :applause:



the new narrative now will be he choked. in fact i've seen it before.

i saw posters say he stat padded AND he choked, ergo didnt do enough in the 4th quarters lol... so yeah, these guys are so deeply lost that he cant win with them.

[TheCorporation]

Plus wasn't his 2014 Finals PER higher than 5 of 6 Jordan's Finals PER?

[warriorfan]

Plus wasn't his 2014 Finals PER higher than 5 of 6 Jordan's Finals PER?
https://i.postimg.cc/Kz8y0DQ7/8-D8-ADD70-02-DC-4-D54-907-E-4-CD93301-EA97.jpg

[Dray n Klay]

Meanwhile all Jordan had to do was shoot 45% from the field, get 4 rebounds and 2 assists and that was enough to win a championship

[Hey Yo]

Warriorfag with another low IQ post

[TheCorporation]

https://i.postimg.cc/Kz8y0DQ7/8-D8-ADD70-02-DC-4-D54-907-E-4-CD93301-EA97.jpg

Regular season? :lol

Karl Anthony-Towns had a higher PER than Kevin Durant and Stephen Curry this year. KAT was #4 while KD and Curry didn't even crack the top 10.

LeBron was #5 so you are admitting he is better than Curry and Durant? :D Thanks

[TheCorporation]

Meanwhile all Jordan had to do was shoot 45% from the field, get 4 rebounds and 2 assists and that was enough to win a championship

It's a lot easier when your opponents are mechanics and plumbers that average 10.7 ppg in the Finals.

Whereas this is what it takes to beat a 73 win team:

https://i.postimg.cc/kM09NKrZ/20190531-142817.jpg

[sdot_thadon]

Wow, a decent Lebron thread. Op, those haters you speak of won't touch this thread with a 10 foot pole.:oldlol: Nice work tho.

[Objectivity]

:coleman:

[iamgine]

I'm not a LeBron stan. I just want to call out BS when I see it.

Presented here are some myths perpetuated by tards who try and turn LeBron's 2014 Finals performance into something that it wasn't. Debunked

1. LeBron was outplayed by Kawhi.

LeBron averaged 28.2ppg on 68%ts. Kawhi averaged 17.8ppg on 75%ts. Not even close. And don't say 'defense', both were 2nd team All-D that season. Statistically, LeBron was the best player in the series by a large margin, averaging 10.2ppg more than anyone else from either team.


2. LeBron stat padded with games out of reach to get numbers that look better than his performances warranted.

There was not a single game when Lebron stat padded in the 4th.

Game 1.
- James leaves the game with cramps with 7:31 to go. Heat up by 2.
- He comes back in with 4:33 to go. Heat down by 4.
- Scores a bucket with 4:09 left, then leaves the game for good. Heat down by 2
- Heat end up losing by 15.
- no statpadding

Game 2
LeBron scores 35 and Heat win by 2. No stat padding to be had here.

Game 3
- LeBron's last points were with 6:31 remaining, after which the score was 97-84.
- no stat padding.

Game 4
- LeBron had 28 points after 3 quarters, 19 in the third, and the Heat were still down by 24.
- he only played 4:54 in the 4th, had one rebound and no points.
- no stat padding

Game 5
- LeBron had 27 points after 3 quarters and the Heat were still down by 19.
- LeBron scored his last points with 7:32 remaining and sat out the last 6:30.
- no stat padding.

In the four games the Heat lost, LeBron average 24.0 points in the first 3 quarters, only to be facing a blow out 3 out of 4 games. He then averaged just 2.5 in fourth quarters, BECAUSE HE DID NOT ONCE STAT PAD.


3. LeBron's team was stacked and he still couldn't get it done against past their prime has-beens and a baby Kawhi.

The 2014 finals were almost as big a carry job as the 2015 finals for LeBron. Wade and Bosh, the two guys that supposedly made the team stacked, COMBINED for 29.2 points and 9.0 rebounds a game. Ray Allen was 38. Rashard Lewis was 34. The team was literally LeBron and corpses of former great players.

Interestingly, Wade averaged 4.7 points in the 4th quarters of the three blow out losses, and 2 points in the 4th of the two games they actually had a chance in down the stretch. If anyone stat-padded it was Wade, meaning that Wade's 15.2ppg for the series is flattering number.

Forget the 3/9 narratives. LeBron was objectively great in the 2014 finals, but outside of him the Heat were completely out-matched at all positions and off the bench.

Conclusion
LeBron played great. As well as one could have asked of him. Given that he averaged 24.6ppg in Q1-Q3 across the series, the truth is that his overall numbers do not reflect how great he played, because he scored so little in 4th quarters, because his team was constantly blown out.

At the very least, in terms of level of individual play, LeBron's 2014 finals performance was:
- on par with Kobe's best Finals. Likely better than any of Kobe's Finals.
- on par with any of Jordan's 2nd 3peat Finals.
What about the myth that Lebron ball caused his team to perform like that? That he often turned a very stacked team into a worse version because of the way the team has to cater to his style?

[NBAGOAT]

The overlooked thing about that spurs team because of their lack of big name stars in their prime was they were one of the best healthy teams of all time. They had a tough series vs Dallas, that happens to great teams sometimes. You can talk about lebron ball mitigating teammates but wade was obviously declining by 2014.

[AussieSteve]

What about the myth that Lebron ball caused his team to perform like that? That he often turned a very stacked team into a worse version because of the way the team has to cater to his style?

Obviously a myth in (in relation to the heat at least). Wade and Bosh played great next to LeBron for the most part. But they were being great by the end of 2014.

[3ball]

I'm not a LeBron stan. I just want to call out BS when I see it.

Presented here are some myths perpetuated by tards who try and turn LeBron's 2014 Finals performance into something that it wasn't. Debunked

1. LeBron was outplayed by Kawhi.

LeBron averaged 28.2ppg on 68%ts. Kawhi averaged 17.8ppg on 75%ts. Not even close. And don't say 'defense', both were 2nd team All-D that season. Statistically, LeBron was the best player in the series by a large margin, averaging 10.2ppg more than anyone else from either team.


2. LeBron stat padded with games out of reach to get numbers that look better than his performances warranted.

There was not a single game when Lebron stat padded in the 4th.

Game 1.
- James leaves the game with cramps with 7:31 to go. Heat up by 2.
- He comes back in with 4:33 to go. Heat down by 4.
- Scores a bucket with 4:09 left, then leaves the game for good. Heat down by 2
- Heat end up losing by 15.
- no statpadding

Game 2
LeBron scores 35 and Heat win by 2. No stat padding to be had here.

Game 3
- LeBron's last points were with 6:31 remaining, after which the score was 97-84.
- no stat padding.

Game 4
- LeBron had 28 points after 3 quarters, 19 in the third, and the Heat were still down by 24.
- he only played 4:54 in the 4th, had one rebound and no points.
- no stat padding

Game 5
- LeBron had 27 points after 3 quarters and the Heat were still down by 19.
- LeBron scored his last points with 7:32 remaining and sat out the last 6:30.
- no stat padding.

In the four games the Heat lost, LeBron average 24.0 points in the first 3 quarters, only to be facing a blow out 3 out of 4 games. He then averaged just 2.5 in fourth quarters, BECAUSE HE DID NOT ONCE STAT PAD.


3. LeBron's team was stacked and he still couldn't get it done against past their prime has-beens and a baby Kawhi.

The 2014 finals were almost as big a carry job as the 2015 finals for LeBron. Wade and Bosh, the two guys that supposedly made the team stacked, COMBINED for 29.2 points and 9.0 rebounds a game. Ray Allen was 38. Rashard Lewis was 34. The team was literally LeBron and corpses of former great players.

Interestingly, Wade averaged 4.7 points in the 4th quarters of the three blow out losses, and 2 points in the 4th of the two games they actually had a chance in down the stretch. If anyone stat-padded it was Wade, meaning that Wade's 15.2ppg for the series is flattering number.

Forget the 3/9 narratives. LeBron was objectively great in the 2014 finals, but outside of him the Heat were completely out-matched at all positions and off the bench.

Conclusion
LeBron played great. As well as one could have asked of him. Given that he averaged 24.6ppg in Q1-Q3 across the series, the truth is that his overall numbers do not reflect how great he played, because he scored so little in 4th quarters, because his team was constantly blown out.

At the very least, in terms of level of individual play, LeBron's 2014 finals performance was:
- on par with Kobe's best Finals. Likely better than any of Kobe's Finals.
- on par with any of Jordan's 2nd 3peat Finals.
Your analysis skips to the 4th quarter, but the games were out of reach before that, and lebron was padding the whole time:


Games 3-4-5
Lebron scored 51 of his 81 points (63%) being down 15+
Leonard scored 27 of his 71 points (38%) being up 15+


Game 5
Lebron had 1 FG in 2nd quarter (2:30 mark) to bring the Heat within 5. Then he did not score again until the Heat were down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd. LeBron shot 1-6 against Leonard this game.

Game 4
Lebron had 9 points in first half and the Heat were blown out by 19 at halftime. He padded his stats from there, and he did not score on Leonard in the first half.

Game 3
Lebron had 14 points and 0 TO in first quarter, but only 8 points and 7 TOs in the last 3 quarters to Wade's 20 points and 3 TOs. The Heat cut the lead from 15 to 9 without Lebron after Wade subbed in for him from the 5:00 to 1:00 mark of the 3rd quarter.. But Lebron was basically shut out when he came back in, so the Heat got no closer
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[AussieSteve]

https://i.postimg.cc/Kz8y0DQ7/8-D8-ADD70-02-DC-4-D54-907-E-4-CD93301-EA97.jpg

Can you at least say something objective about OP, rather than post irrelevant stats from 4 years prior? Stats that you don't even personally believe mean anything.

Do you honestly think that Kawhi outplayed LeBron? Or that lebron padded stats? Or that the his cast has better than Kawhi's?

Can you admit that LeBron actually played great? Or are you going to prove yourself to be irrational, thus invalidating all of your posts.

[AussieSteve]

Your analysis skips to the 4th quarter, but the games were out of reach before that, and lebron was padding the whole time:


Games 3-4-5
Lebron scored 51 of his 81 points (63%) being down 15+
Leonard scored 27 of his 71 points (38%) being up 15+


Game 5
Lebron had 1 FG in 2nd quarter (2:30 mark) to bring the Heat within 5. Then he did not score again until the Heat were down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd. LeBron shot 1-6 against Leonard this game.

Game 4
Lebron had 9 points in first half and the Heat were blown out by 19 at halftime. He padded his stats from there, and he did not score on Leonard in the first half.

Game 3
Lebron had 14 points and 0 TO in first quarter, then 8 points and 7 TOs for the last 3 quarters. Over the last 3 quarters, LeBron had 8 points and 7 TOs to Wade's 20 points and 3 TOs. The Heat cut the lead from 15 to 9 without LeBron, after Wade subbed in for him, from the 5:00 to 1:00 mark of the 3rd quarter.. But Lebron was basically shut out when he came back in, so the Heat got no closer

So down by 15 mid way through the 3rd he should just take a seat and concede the loss?

[3ball]

So down by 15 mid way through the 3rd he should just take a seat and concede the loss?

No, just do more when the game is close so you don't get down by 15.. instead, he mostly scored when his team got down big:

only 37% of his points were scored when the game was within 15, so kawhi's 62% allowed the Spurs to get a big lead


And again,



Game 5

Lebron had 1 FG in 2nd quarter (2:30 mark) to bring the Heat within 5. Then he did not score again until the Heat were down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd. LeBron shot 1-6 against Leonard this game.

Game 4

Lebron had 9 points in first half and the Heat were blown out by 19 at halftime. He padded his stats from there, and he did not score on Leonard in the first half.

Game 3

Lebron had 14 points and 0 TO in first quarter, but only 8 points and 7 TOs in the last 3 quarters to Wade's 20 points and 3 TOs. The Heat cut the lead from 15 to 9 without Lebron after Wade subbed in for him from the 5:00 to 1:00 mark of the 3rd quarter.. But Lebron was basically shut out when he came back in, so the Heat got no closer

[ArbitraryWater]

No, just do more when the game is close so you don't get down by 15.. instead, he scored mostly when his team got down big:

only 37% of his points were scored when the game was within 15, so kawhi's 62% allowed the Spurs to get a big lead

And again,


Game 5
Lebron had 1 FG in 2nd quarter (2:30 mark) to bring the Heat within 5. Then he did not score again until the Heat were down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd. LeBron shot 1-6 against Leonard this game.

Game 4
Lebron had 9 points in first half and the Heat were blown out by 19 at halftime. He padded his stats from there, and he did not score on Leonard in the first half.

Game 3
Lebron had 14 points and 0 TO in first quarter, but only 8 points and 7 TOs in the last 3 quarters to Wade's 20 points and 3 TOs. The Heat cut the lead from 15 to 9 without Lebron after Wade subbed in for him from the 5:00 to 1:00 mark of the 3rd quarter.. But Lebron was basically shut out when he came back in, so the Heat got no closer


So, how do you also critizise the games in which he did do a lot right from the start and they still couldnt keep with the Spurs

?

you never keep your shit straight. and youre being vague now. lebron didnt play like someone who should be down 15

[AussieSteve]

No, just do more when the game is close so you don't get down by 15.. instead, he mostly scored when his team got down big:

only 37% of his points were scored when the game was within 15, so kawhi's 62% allowed the Spurs to get a big lead


And again,



Game 5

Lebron had 1 FG in 2nd quarter (2:30 mark) to bring the Heat within 5. Then he did not score again until the Heat were down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd. LeBron shot 1-6 against Leonard this game.

Game 4

Lebron had 9 points in first half and the Heat were blown out by 19 at halftime. He padded his stats from there, and he did not score on Leonard in the first half.

Game 3

Lebron had 14 points and 0 TO in first quarter, but only 8 points and 7 TOs in the last 3 quarters to Wade's 20 points and 3 TOs. The Heat cut the lead from 15 to 9 without Lebron after Wade subbed in for him from the 5:00 to 1:00 mark of the 3rd quarter.. But Lebron was basically shut out when he came back in, so the Heat got no closer


In game 4 he scored 19 in the third and the heat still got outscored that quarter. What did he do wrong there?

[3ball]

So, how do you also critizise the games in which he did do a lot right from the start and they still couldnt keep with the Spurs

?

you never keep your shit straight. and youre being vague now. lebron didnt play like someone who should be down 15

Can you read?



In game 5, Lebron had 1 FG in the 2nd quarter to bring the Heat within 5 at the 2:30 mark. Then he did not score again until the Heat were down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd.


^^^ That's stat-padding... :confusedshrug:




In game 4, Lebron only had 9 points in first half, so the Heat were blown out by 19 at halftime - then he padded his stats from there, so most points were scored when the game was out of reach.


^^^ That's stat-padding... :confusedshrug:




In game 3, Lebron had 14 points and 0 TO in first quarter - the Heat were still down 16 so this wasn't stat-padding... But the Heat couldn't make a comeback despite Wade's 20 points and 3 TO in the last 3 quarters, because lebron only had 8 points and 7 TOs... Infact, the Heat cut the lead from 15 to 9 without Lebron after Wade subbed in for him from the 5:00 to 1:00 mark of the 3rd quarter.. But Lebron was basically shut out when he came back in, so the Heat got no closer.


^^^ That's stat-padding... :confusedshrug:

[AussieSteve]

Can you read?


I can read. But I often don't read what you post tbh.

Summary of your comments itt... whatever lebron does, it's wrong.

[LostCause]

It’s the middle of the 2019 Finals you incels

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Hey 3ball,

What was Lebron's time of possession for the series?

I don't think Miami wins either way, but I'm wondering if that played a factor. What I know is that Lebron put up "pretty" stats - and it didn't matter. SA was motivated to right their wrong from the year prior.

[3ball]

I can read. But I often don't read what you post tbh.

Summary of your comments itt... whatever lebron does, it's wrong.
if ur too scared to read the responses then don't post

I posted the facts and ur running

And it's common knowledge that Lebron stat-padded in the 14' Finals - it's historical record

Furthermore, the odds were even and the Spurs core was really old - so the heat didn't lose to better talent, but better TEAMWORK.. that's on LeCancer and his often-exposed brand of ball (low ball movement and low team assist).. :confusedshrug:

[egokiller]

https://i.postimg.cc/Kz8y0DQ7/8-D8-ADD70-02-DC-4-D54-907-E-4-CD93301-EA97.jpg

Wait a min, Lebron was #1 in PER and needed #2 and #4 in PER to go 2/4 in the finals on the Heat? :roll:

[3ball]

Wait a min, Lebron was #1 in PER and needed #2 and #4 in PER to go 2/4 in the finals on the Heat? :roll:
Wow, when you put it like that..

:roll: :yaohappy:

#LeFraud

[bigkingsfan]

MJ statpadded against Detroit three years straight.

[egokiller]

Why didn

[3ball]

MJ statpadded against Detroit three years straight.
Those were close series as a young and underdog team with no all-stars

So nothing like Lebron's record blowouts with multiple HOF vets and champion, perennial all-stars

[warriorfan]

Wait a min, Lebron was #1 in PER and needed #2 and #4 in PER to go 2/4 in the finals on the Heat? :roll:

Yes....







yikes

[bigkingsfan]

Those were close series as a young, underdog team and no all-stars

So nothing like Lebron's record blowouts with multiple HOF vets and champion, perennial all-stars
45 minutes played, lost by 19, stadpad :roll:

[3ball]

45 minutes played, lost by 19, stadpad :roll:
MJ was producing the whole time

Lebron produced mostly when the game was out of reach

Also, MJ didn't lose by more than the odds predicted, so his stats achieved the expected result

But the odds did NOT predict record blowout for lebron, so his stats didn't achieve the expected result..... And were therefore stat-padding

hope that helps

[And1AllDay]

45 minutes played, lost by 19, stadpad :roll:

Issa wrap

And hol up, this mike Jordan still has less points then LeBron? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[bigkingsfan]

MJ was producing the whole time

Lebron produced mostly when the game was out of reach

Also, MJ didn't lose by more than the odds predicted, so his stats achieved the expected result

But the odds did NOT predict record blowout for lebron, so his stats didn't achieve the expected result..... And were therefore stat-padding

hope that helps
Not enough, lost by 19, in the game until under a minute to statpad.

[And1AllDay]

Not enough, lost by 19, in the game until under a minute to statpad.


95' ecsf he was even worse, didnt even try

he was up 2-1 and lost 3 straight :oldlol:

In the last 3 game loses he shot

game 4: 1 time in 4th quarter
game 5: 1 for 6 in second half
game 6: 1 time in 4th quarter

something really bad like that

[3ball]

Not enough, lost by 19, in the game until under a minute to statpad.
Tbh, the data isn't available on MJ

So we don't know if he scored mostly when the game was out of reach like Lebron did

but we DO know that the odds didn't predict record blowout for lebron....so his stats didn't achieve the expected result/competitive series.... And were therefore stat-padding

Otoh, jordan didn't lose by more than the odds predicted (the series were close), so his stats achieved the expected result and weren't padding
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[warriorfan]

[QUOTE=LostCause]It

[bigkingsfan]

95' ecf he was even worse, didnt even try

he was up 2-1 and lost 3 straight :oldlol:

In the last 3 game loses he shot

game 4: 1 time in 4th quarter
game 5: 1 for 6 in second half
game 6: 1 time in 4th quarter

something really bad like that
Fear of Nick "Thick" Anderson .

[AussieSteve]

if ur too scared to read the responses then don't post

I posted the facts and ur running

And it's common knowledge that Lebron stat-padded in the 14' Finals - it's historical record

Furthermore, the odds were even and the Spurs core was really old - so the heat didn't lose to better talent, but better TEAMWORK.. that's on LeCancer and his often-exposed brand of ball (low ball movement and low team assist).. :confusedshrug:

I skim read a lot of your posts because you copy paste the same slabs of nonsense over and over again. As yo7 have done in this thread.

There is no fear.

On topic, lebron averaged 25ppg in quarters 1-3 and 3ppg in q4. Only a troll would suggest overt stat padding. And they reveal their agenda and lack of objectivity by having this opinion.

[3ball]

I skim read a lot of your posts because you copy paste the same slabs of nonsense over and over again. As yo7 have done in this thread.

There is no fear.

On topic, lebron averaged 25ppg in quarters 1-3 and 3ppg in q4. Only a troll would suggest overt stat padding. And they reveal their agenda and lack of objectivity by having this opinion.
4th quarter stats aren't an indication of padding

The facts posted earlier do - about how lebron scored mostly when the game was out of reach

So keep running and deluding yourself, but the facts remain historical record.. :pimp: #LeStatPad

[And1AllDay]

I skim read a lot of your posts because you copy paste the same slabs of nonsense over and over again. As yo7 have done in this thread.

There is no fear.

On topic, lebron averaged 25ppg in quarters 1-3 and 3ppg in q4. Only a troll would suggest overt stat padding. And they reveal their agenda and lack of objectivity by having this opinion.


+1

[3ball]

+1
Okay, try these facts

both guys averaged 24 in the last 3 games - but the Heat developed 15-point deficits because lebron only scored 37% of his points when the games were within 15 points, compared to 62% for Kawhi

That's the historical record

You guys are simply ignoring the facts and acting like 4th quarter scoring indicates stat-padding, which makes no sense

But carry on deluding yourself because the historical record remains - lebron is a career stat padder and the 14' Finals was his crowning achievement in that area (he largely escapes criticism despite record loss due to shit teamwork, not talent)

[bigkingsfan]

I skim read a lot of your posts because you copy paste the same slabs of nonsense over and over again. As yo7 have done in this thread.

There is no fear.

On topic, lebron averaged 25ppg in quarters 1-3 and 3ppg in q4. Only a troll would suggest overt stat padding. And they reveal their agenda and lack of objectivity by having this opinion.
NBA should end the game once a team has a 15 point lead in the 2nd half.

[3ball]

NBA should end the game once a team has a 15 point lead in the 2nd half.
Can't tell if this is pro-lebron or not

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

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Lebron lowers his teammates' APG (playmaking) and increases their assisted rate (play-finishing):



................................................AP G, ASSIST %...... ASSISTED RATE

Wade before Lebron (04'-10'):..... 6.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:per_game), 34.8% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:advanced)..................29.2% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2004-2010-sum:shooting) <---- links to nba.com data
Wade with... Lebron (11'-14'):..... 4.7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game), 25.5% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced)..................40.3% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01.html#2011-2014-sum:shooting)

Irving before Lebron (12'-14'):.... 5.8 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:per_game), 33.2% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:advanced)..................31.9% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2012-2014-sum:shooting)
Irving with... Lebron.. (15'-16'):.. 5.0 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2015-2016-sum:per_game), 25.6% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2015-2016-sum:advanced)..................32.7% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2015-2016-sum:shooting)

Bosh before Lebron (04'-10'):...... 2.2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2004-2010-sum:per_game), 10.5% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2004-2010-sum:advanced)..................55.8% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2004-2010-sum:shooting)
Bosh with... Lebron (11'-14'):...... 1.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_game), 8.0% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:advanced) ...................71.6% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html#2011-2014-sum:shooting)

Love before Lebron (09'-14'):...... 2.5 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html#2009-2014-sum:per_game), 13.0% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html#2009-2014-sum:advanced)..................62.7% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html#2009-2014-sum:shooting)
Love with ...Lebron (15'-16'):...... 2.3 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html#2015-2016-sum:per_game), 11.4% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html#2015-2016-sum:advanced)..................80.0% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html#2015-2016-sum:shooting)

Mo Will before Lebron (05'-08'):.. 5.7 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima01.html#2005-2008-sum:per_game), 30.2% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima01.html#2005-2008-sum:advanced)..................39.2% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima01.html#2004-2008-sum:shooting)
Mo Will with... Lebron (09'-10'):.. 4.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima01.html#2009-2010-sum:per_game), 22.3% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima01.html#2009-2010-sum:advanced)..................47.6% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima01.html#2009-2010-sum:shooting)


FYI...

Pippen with... Jordan 91'-93':...... 6.5 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:per_game), 24.5% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:advanced)
Pippen w/out Jordan 94'-95':...... 5.4 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1994-1995-sum:per_game), 23.7% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1994-1995-sum:advanced)
Pippen with... Jordan 96'-98':...... 5.8 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:per_game), 25.1% (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:advanced)



Lebron lowers the apg of teammates, which is why his TEAMS rank low in assists - the lesser teamwork is why Lebron can't win without excessive supporting talent (team-hopping).. these are the FACTS

[3ball]

What about the myth that Lebron ball caused his team to perform like that? That he often turned a very stacked team into a worse version because of the way the team has to cater to his style?


It's a fact that lebron makes teammates spot-up shooters, so they perform less in these reduced roles

He actually makes them play-finishers (reduces their assists and increases their assisted rate) - this is statistical fact as shown in the previous post above

Ultimately, Lebron's spot-up shooter brand doesn't develop teammates/teams, or win frequently with super-teams..

[bigkingsfan]

Can't tell if this is pro-lebron or not
Can't tell if this is a copy and paste or not.

[ArbitraryWater]

Can you read?



In game 5, Lebron had 1 FG in the 2nd quarter to bring the Heat within 5 at the 2:30 mark. Then he did not score again until the Heat were down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd.


^^^ That's stat-padding... :confusedshrug:




In game 4, Lebron only had 9 points in first half, so the Heat were blown out by 19 at halftime - then he padded his stats from there, so most points were scored when the game was out of reach.


^^^ That's stat-padding... :confusedshrug:




In game 3, Lebron had 14 points and 0 TO in first quarter - the Heat were still down 16 so this wasn't stat-padding... But the Heat couldn't make a comeback despite Wade's 20 points and 3 TO in the last 3 quarters, because lebron only had 8 points and 7 TOs... Infact, the Heat cut the lead from 15 to 9 without Lebron after Wade subbed in for him from the 5:00 to 1:00 mark of the 3rd quarter.. But Lebron was basically shut out when he came back in, so the Heat got no closer.


^^^ That's stat-padding... :confusedshrug:



What is it now?

Decide.


5 minutes earlier your moronic ass replied "no" to the question if at that point the loss should have been conceeded...

so should he have tried or given up at halftime?


Decide, dummie

[3ball]

What is it now?

Decide.


5 minutes earlier your moronic ass replied "no" to the question if at that point the loss should have been conceeded...

so should he have tried or given up at halftime?


Decide, dummie
No just score more to prevent going down 15 (games 4 and 5)

And if you end up down 15 anyway at the end of the 1st quarter (Game 3), then don't disappear for the last 3 quarters to prevent a comeback.... while your teammate goes off

the details of games 3-5 were posted previously

[AussieSteve]

Can't tell if this is pro-lebron or not

I'm sure it's neither. To me it just looks like a comment intended to hilight you're stupidity.

[stalkerforlife]

LMFAO.

Bran was useless.

Zero impact.

Empty.

Box score junkies will never learn.

[3ball]

I'm sure it's neither. To me it just looks like a comment intended to hilight you're stupidity.
Another deflection post - reacting with anger because you can't respond to the facts that have cratered your thread

both guys averaged 24 in the last 3 games - but the Heat developed 15-point deficits because lebron only scored 37% of his points when the games were within 15 points, compared to 62% for Kawhi

That's the historical record

But carry on deluding yourself because the historical record remains - lebron is a career stat padder and the 14' Finals was his crowning achievement in that area (he largely escapes criticism despite experiencing a record loss that was due to inferior teamwork, not inferior talent)

[SpaceJam]

The best thing about Kobe stans pedalling this top 4 PER nonsense is....Kobe was 14th that season...

David Lee was higher :eek:

Pau Gasol was 8th :eek:

Bean looking funny in the light

[3ball]

The best thing about Kobe stans pedalling this top 4 PER nonsense is....Kobe was 14th that season...

David Lee was higher :eek:

Pau Gasol was 8th :eek:

Bean looking funny in the light
PER is the easiest way to show that Wade and Bosh were superstars

It's easier than listing their all-star, all-nba, and olympic pedigrees

Lebron simply teamed up with 2 superstars - whether you look at PER or anything else - i.e. there's few metrics that DON'T show them to be superstars

[34-24 Footwork]

...were one of the best healthy teams of all time...they had a tough series vs Dallas....


Can't be both. They got taken to 7 games by geriatric Vince carter and Dirk.

They struggle against that team because they were, to some degree, balanced.

The Heat was the easiest matchup thus far for them.

Ditto for the 2007 Spurs.

Ditto for 2018 Warriors.

Ditto for 2017 Warriors.

Lebron led teams get monkey stomped in the finals no matter what.

[34-24 Footwork]

[QUOTE=LostCause]It

[FKAri]

[QUOTE=LostCause]It

[SpaceJam]

PER is the easiest way to show that Wade and Bosh were superstars

It's easier than listing their all-star, all-nba, and olympic pedigrees

Lebron simply teamed up with 2 superstars - whether you look at PER or anything else - i.e. there's few metrics that DON'T show them to be superstars

How long is your list of superstars if Bosh is one :facepalm

Is Vucevic one this season?

[3ball]

Can't be both. They got taken to 7 games by geriatric Vince carter and Dirk.

They struggle against that team because they were, to some degree, balanced.

The Heat was the easiest matchup thus far for them.

Ditto for the 2007 Spurs.

Ditto for 2018 Warriors.

Ditto for 2017 Warriors.

Lebron led teams get monkey stomped in the finals no matter what.
This is insightful

It's actually true that lebron's teams lost to the Spurs/Warriors worse than the spurs/warriors' OTHER playoff opponents in those years

Since Lebron's team lost to the champs worse than half the western playoff seeds, does that mean Lebron's team underperformed, or is the best eastern team ACTUALLY worse than half the western seeds?

^^^ Tough question for Lebron stans... :pimp:

[warriorfan]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D72zZLJXoAEJ6OV.jpg

That looks like Manny

[3ball]

How long is your list of superstars if Bosh is one :facepalm

Is Vucevic one this season?
Bosh was a superstar at that time

And show me another player in history that had an 11-time all-star as 3rd option

I'll wait

[3ball]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D72zZLJXoAEJ6OV.jpg
It's funny because Bron stans have hypnotized themselves into thinking winning the Finals doesn't exist

Winning the conference finals (making the Finals) is the championship... Everything after that is just bullshit

[AussieSteve]

Another deflection post - reacting with anger because you can't respond to the facts that have cratered your thread

both guys averaged 24 in the last 3 games - but the Heat developed 15-point deficits because lebron only scored 37% of his points when the games were within 15 points, compared to 62% for Kawhi

That's the historical record

But carry on deluding yourself because the historical record remains - lebron is a career stat padder and the 14' Finals was his crowning achievement in that area (he largely escapes criticism despite experiencing a record loss that was due to inferior teamwork, not inferior talent)

You're wrong . Plain and simple.


Game 1

Kawhi. 3 points in 1st 46.5 mins. 6 points in last 1.5 mins. Spurs win by 15.
LeBron. 25 points with margin at 2 when he last scored.

Kawhi padded 6 points in junk time. LeBron scored all his points with the game in the balance.

Game 2

Kawhi. 0 points in the 4th.
Lebron. 8 points in rge 4th. Heat win by 2.

Kawhi was invisible down the stretch.

Game 3
Kawhi. 9 points in the 4th with the magin at 13 or more after the shot.
LeBron. 2 points in the 4th with the margin at 13 or more after the shot.

Kawhi padded 9 points.

Game 4.
Kawhi. 4 points in the 4th with the spurs up by 20+.
LeBron. 0 points in the 4th.

Kawhi padded 4 points.

Kawhi. 13.6ppg in Q1-Q3.
LeBron. 24.6ppg in Q1-Q3.

Now admit you are wrong.

[bullettooth]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D72zZLJXoAEJ6OV.jpg

https://media.giphy.com/media/cLY3ZsQZ96r2uwg2Dx/giphy.gif

[SpaceJam]

Bosh was a superstar at that time

And show me another player in history that had an 11-time all-star as 3rd option

I'll wait

Is Vucevic a superstar this season?

2009-10 Bosh

24/11/2 52/36/80 shooting

PER: 25.0

1x All-Star

40-42 record, missed playoffs in a weaker East

2018-19 Vucevic

21/12/4 52/36/79 shooting

PER: 25.5

1x All-Star

42-40 record, made playoffs in a stronger East

[3ball]

You're wrong . Plain and simple.


Game 1

Kawhi. 3 points in 1st 46.5 mins. 6 points in last 1.5 mins. Spurs win by 15.
LeBron. 25 points with margin at 2 when he last scored.

Kawhi padded 6 points in junk time. LeBron scored all his points with the game in the balance.

Game 2

Kawhi. 0 points in the 4th.
Lebron. 8 points in rge 4th. Heat win by 2.

Kawhi was invisible down the stretch.

Game 3
Kawhi. 9 points in the 4th with the magin at 13 or more after the shot.
LeBron. 2 points in the 4th with the margin at 13 or more after the shot.

Kawhi padded 9 points.

Game 4.
Kawhi. 4 points in the 4th with the spurs up by 20+.
LeBron. 0 points in the 4th.

Kawhi padded 4 points.

Kawhi. 13.6ppg in Q1-Q3.
LeBron. 24.6ppg in Q1-Q3.

Now admit you are wrong.
You can forget games 1 and 2 when he was still trying to win, so your post is meaningless

It was Game 3 when he gave up and started padding - it happened at the end of a 16-point 1st quarter for Lebron that found the Heat still down 15 - so he gave up.... :confusedshrug:

Instead of fighting to comeback in the last 3 quarters, Lebron had 8 points and 7 TO the rest of the way, while Wade had 20 points and 3 TO

And we already know about Game 4 - Lebron only had 9 points in first half, so the Heat were blown out by 19 at halftime. He padded his stats from there..

Game 5 was worse - Lebron had 1 FG in 2nd quarter (2:30 mark) to bring the Heat within 5, but didn't score again until the Heat were down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd.

So no - Lebron padded massively... But even worse - he lost much worse than the odds predicted, and lost via superior teamwork, not talent

[brutalBBQ]

The best team one, Kawhi was fmvp, it was Lebrons chance to convince and continue with a finals winning streak. He failed, 10ppg difference doesn't mean anything without the chip.
But again the Lebron fam does mental gymnastics to imagine more awards that never actually occurred to a team hoping, coach firing, player selecting, stad padding, multiple finals loser.

[AussieSteve]

You can forget games 1 and 2 when he was still trying to win, so your post is meaningless

It was Game 3 when he gave up and started padding - it happened at the end of a 16-point 1st quarter for Lebron that found the Heat still down 15 - so he gave up.... :confusedshrug:

Instead of fighting to comeback in the last 3 quarters, Lebron had 8 points and 7 TO the rest of the way, while Wade had 20 points and 3 TO

And we already know about Game 4 - Lebron only had 9 points in first half, so the Heat were blown out by 19 at halftime. He padded his stats from there..

Game 5 was worse - Lebron had 1 FG in 2nd quarter (2:30 mark) to bring the Heat within 5, but didn't score again until the Heat were down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd.

So no - Lebron padded massively... But even worse - he lost much worse than the odds predicted, and lost via superior teamwork, not talent

Got it.

Wade's 11 third quarter points in game 3, after being down 21 at the half, were 'fighting to come back'.

LeBron's 19 third quarter points in game 4, after being down 19 at the half were 'quitting and then stat padding'

[Vino24]

Got it.

Wade's 11 third quarter points in game 3, after being down 21 at the half, were 'fighting to come back'.

LeBron's 19 third quarter points in game 4, after being down 19 at the half were 'quitting and then stat padding'
He doesn't watch games. 2Ball's opinion isn't worth shit.

[3ball]

Is Vucevic a superstar this season?

2009-10 Bosh

24/11/2 52/36/80 shooting

PER: 25.0

1x All-Star

40-42 record, missed playoffs in a weaker East

2018-19 Vucevic

21/12/4 52/36/79 shooting

PER: 25.5

1x All-Star

42-40 record, made playoffs in a stronger East
Bosh was a 5-time all-star in 2010 - you also left out his all-nba accolade and 2 times leading raps to Playoffs

[SpaceJam]

Bosh was a 5-time all-star in 2010 - you also left out his all-nba accolade and 2 times leading raps to Playoffs

Is Vucevic a superstar this season?

[AussieSteve]

Got it.

Wade's 11 third quarter points in game 3, after being down 21 at the half, were 'fighting to come back'.

LeBron's 19 third quarter points in game 4, after being down 19 at the half were 'quitting and then stat padding'

... 3ball?

[Dray n Klay]

Got it.

Wade's 11 third quarter points in game 3, after being down 21 at the half, were 'fighting to come back'.

LeBron's 19 third quarter points in game 4, after being down 19 at the half were 'quitting and then stat padding'
:eek:

[3ball]

Got it.

Wade's 11 third quarter points in game 3, after being down 21 at the half, were 'fighting to come back'.


11 points in a quarter is elite performance, so yes - that's fighting to come back

The Heat were down 16 at the end of the 1st quarter - if lebron gets 20 points and 3 TO for the remaining 3 quarters like Wade did, the Heat win.. but instead he had 8 pts and 7 TO... super-cringe.. :facepalm





LeBron's 19 third quarter points in game 4, after being down 19 at the half were 'quitting and then stat padding

'
Only 9 in the first half, which is why they were down 19 at the half - then he padded after that

Ultimately:

Games 3-4-5
Lebron scored 51 of his 81 points (63%) being down 15+
Leonard scored 27 of his 71 points (38%) being up 15+





quitting and then stat padding

'
Ultimately:

Games 3-4-5
Lebron scored 51 of his 81 points (63%) being down 15+
Leonard scored 27 of his 71 points (38%) being up 15+


So both guys averaged 24 in the last 3 games - but the Heat developed 15-point deficits because lebron only scored 37% of his points when the games were within 15 points, compared to 62% for Kawhi

That's the historical record

[bigkingsfan]

11 points in a quarter is elite performance
That's how much Legoat had in the 4th quarter vs GS Game7 :bowdown:

[3ball]

That's how much Legoat had in the 4th quarter vs GS Game7 :bowdown:
More important than Lebron's stat padding is the record blowout despite even odds, and losing to superior teamwork not talent

Inferior teamwork is on lebron.. :facepalm... getting beat THAT badly is on lebron.. :facepalm.. losing with even odds is on lebron.. :facepalm

[bigkingsfan]

More important than Lebron's stat padding is the record blowout despite even odds, and losing to superior teamwork not talent

Inferior teamwork is on lebron.. :facepalm... getting beat THAT badly is on lebron.. :facepalm.. losing with even odds is on lebron.. :facepalm
Lebron statpadded and beat a 73 win team.

[AussieSteve]

11 points in a quarter is elite performance, so yes - that's fighting to come back

The Heat were down 16 at the end of the 1st quarter - if lebron gets 20 points and 3 TO for the remaining 3 quarters like Wade did, the Heat win.. but instead he had 8 pts and 7 TO... super-cringe.. :facepalm



Only 9 in the first half, which is why they were down 19 at the half - then he padded after that

Ultimately:

Games 3-4-5
Lebron scored 51 of his 81 points (63%) being down 15+
Leonard scored 27 of his 71 points (38%) being up 15+



Ultimately:

Games 3-4-5
Lebron scored 51 of his 81 points (63%) being down 15+
Leonard scored 27 of his 71 points (38%) being up 15+


So both guys averaged 24 in the last 3 games - but the Heat developed 15-point deficits because lebron only scored 37% of his points when the games were within 15 points, compared to 62% for Kawhi

That's the historical record


Gonna go down wirh the ship hey.

Well good on you for staying true to your delusion and ignorance. And nice that you continue to base your arguments on verifiable lies.



For the record...
Lebron averaged 27.0ppg in games 3-5. 24.3 in the first 3Q's and 2.7 in Q4.
Kawhi averaged 23.7ppg in games 3-5. 19.3 in the first 3Q's and 5.0 in Q4.
Wade averaged 14.3ppg in games 3-5. 9.6 in the first 3Q's and 4.7 in Q4.

For the love of God... Put your ridiculous cherry picked stats away and admit you are wrong.

[The Iron Fist]

These stats don

[SpaceJam]

Is Vucevic a superstar this season?

3ball?

[3ball]

3ball?
No, but Bosh is

Let me know when Vucevic makes 5 all-star teams or all-nba, or top 5 PER, or 24 ppg, or 99% HOF probability (vuc is at 0.1%)

[SpaceJam]

No, but Bosh is

Let me know when Vucevic makes 5 all-star teams or all-nba, or top 5 PER, or 24 ppg, or 99% HOF probability (vuc is at 0.1%)

Does that mean back in the summer of 2014 Irving wasn't a superstar? :confusedshrug:

Guess it wasn't colluding

[3ball]

Does that mean back in the summer of 2014 Irving wasn't a superstar? :confusedshrug:

Guess it wasn't colluding
Kyrie was all-star MVP in 2014 and the flashiest player in the league - so he lived up to his #1 draft pick, prodigy status and was indeed a superstar

[SpaceJam]

In regards to Kyrie, your criteria




5 all-star teams or all-nba NO
Top 5 PER NO
24 ppg NO
99% HOF probability NO

[3ball]

In regards to Kyrie, your criteria
Kyrie was a star in 14'; now he's a superstar

Bosh was a star, and probably a superstar too

Love and Wade were bonafide superstars


Regardless, Lebron needed 2 perennial all-stars/likely HOF's to win rings - so he needed an extra star to win than MJ, who only needed 1 perennial all-star to be the most unbeatable player in history.. :bowdown:

[AussieSteve]

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]These stats don

[AussieSteve]

For the record...

Lebron averaged 27.0ppg in games 3-5. 24.3 in the first 3Q's and 2.7 in Q4.

Kawhi averaged 23.7ppg in games 3-5. 19.3 in the first 3Q's and 5.0 in Q4.

Wade averaged 14.3ppg in games 3-5. 9.6 in the first 3Q's and 4.7 in Q4.

For the love of God... Put your ridiculous cherry picked stats away and admit you are wrong.

3ball?

Who stat padded the most in the 2014 Finals?

[3ball]

3ball?

Who stat padded the most in the 2014 Finals?
Lebron obviously

This is common knowledge and historical fact..

He's the biggest padder in history - him or westbrook, but I'll go lebron because his padding is in higher leverage games (Finals)

[SpaceJam2]

I'm still waiting for a thread to sse 3ball being right for once.

Never have..

Just god damn one time

[3ball]

I'm still waiting for a thread to sse 3ball being right for once.

Never have..

Just god damn one time
I responded to OP with facts that prove Lebron stat padded

OP responded a few posts up by reposting something that I already responded to numerous times.. that means he's losing his shit and I win

[3ball]

.

Games 3-4-5:

- Lebron scored 51 of his 81 points (63%) being down 15+
- Leonard scored 27 of his 71 points (38%) being up 15+


^^^ That's stat-padding... :confusedshrug:




both guys averaged 24 in the last 3 games - but the Heat developed 15+ deficits because lebron only scored 37% of his points when the lead was under 15 points, compared to 62% for Kawhi.. Only when the lead hit 15 did lebron start scoring and kawhi cool down


^^^ That's stat-padding... :confusedshrug:




In game 5, Lebron had 1 FG in the 2nd quarter to bring the Heat within 5 at the 2:30 mark. Then he did not score again until the Heat were down 21 with 4:40 in the 3rd.


^^^ That's stat-padding... :confusedshrug:




In game 4, Lebron only had 9 points in first half, so the Heat were blown out by 19 at halftime - then he padded his stats from there, so most points were scored when the game was out of reach.


^^^ That's stat-padding... :confusedshrug:




In game 3, Lebron had 14 points and 0 TO in first quarter - the Heat were still down 16 so this wasn't stat-padding... But the Heat couldn't make a comeback despite Wade's 20 points and 3 TO in the last 3 quarters, because lebron only had 8 points and 7 TOs..


^^^ That's stat-padding, or at least shitty play... :confusedshrug:
.

[AussieSteve]

I'm still waiting for a thread to sse 3ball being right for once.

Never have..

Just god damn one time

It's laughable. He just continues to revert to his bag of cherry picked copy paste stats, no matter how irrelevant they become.

[3ball]

It's laughable. He just continues to revert to his bag of cherry picked copy paste stats, no matter how irrelevant they become.
You're doing the exact same thing

Except my stats are relevant, yours are not

Anyone can see that - Lebron scored most of his points when the Spurs already had big leads - that's ends your thread right there

And he also had a game where he played well for 1 quarter before disappearing and letting Wade try to come back on his own (game 3)

Regardless, the odds were even, yet lebron lost by record amount - so he gets knocked for a record loss, and also for losing to better teamwork, not talent

[AussieSteve]

You're doing the exact same thing

Except my stats are relevant, yours are not

Anyone can see that - Lebron scored most of his points when the Spurs already had big leads - that's ends your thread right there

And he also had a game where he played well for 1 quarter before disappearing and letting Wade try to come back on his own (game 3)

Regardless, the odds were even, yet lebron lost by record amount - so he gets knocked for a record loss, and also for losing to better teamwork, not talent

In games 3-5, the three biggest blow outs of the series...

Lebron averaged 24.3ppg in the first 3Q's and 2.7 in Q4.

Kawhi averaged 19.3ppg in the first 3Q's and 5.0 in Q4.

Wade averaged 9.6ppg in the first 3Q's and 4.7 in Q4.

Who stat padded the most?

[34-24 Footwork]

If only Lebron played as good of defense as his fanboys did, he'd be in the playoffs :(

[ArbitraryWater]

dangit, 3ball having to block out all questions that might lead to critical thinking so he can continue the statpadding brigade :lol

[Manny98]

We
In games 3-5, the three biggest blow outs of the series...

Lebron averaged 24.3ppg in the first 3Q's and 2.7 in Q4.

Kawhi averaged 19.3ppg in the first 3Q's and 5.0 in Q4.

Wade averaged 9.6ppg in the first 3Q's and 4.7 in Q4.

Who stat padded the most?
Gotem :oldlol:

2ball getting destroyed in this thread :roll:

[SpaceJam2]

In games 3-5, the three biggest blow outs of the series...

Lebron averaged 24.3ppg in the first 3Q's and 2.7 in Q4.

Kawhi averaged 19.3ppg in the first 3Q's and 5.0 in Q4.

Wade averaged 9.6ppg in the first 3Q's and 4.7 in Q4.

Who stat padded the most?

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[LostCause]

Kawhi Leonard locked LeBron up pretty well that series, which was a large part of why Miami was blown out

[ArbitraryWater]

Kawhi Leonard locked LeBron up pretty well that series, which was a large part of why Miami was blown out

No, he didnt.

[SpaceJam2]

Kawhi Leonard locked LeBron up pretty well that series, which was a large part of why Miami was blown out

No doubt about it, held LBJ to 28.2 on 53% or something similar while letting him have his second best PER run in Finals career

BIG lock up

[Detroit]

In games 3-5, the three biggest blow outs of the series...

Lebron averaged 24.3ppg in the first 3Q's and 2.7 in Q4.

Kawhi averaged 19.3ppg in the first 3Q's and 5.0 in Q4.

Wade averaged 9.6ppg in the first 3Q's and 4.7 in Q4.

Who stat padded the most?

LeGOAT averaged that many points in the 4th during 3 crucial Finals games with a championship on the line? That must be the GOAT standard.

[LostCause]

No, he didnt.


No doubt about it, held LBJ to 28.2 on 53% or something similar while letting him have his second best PER run in Finals career

BIG lock up

Did either of you actually WATCH the series?

Posting a statline doesn't mean shit. Kawhi didn't guard him the entire series

[The Iron Fist]

The haters make statements like 'lebron stat padded his way to 28ppg in 2014' because it sounds plausible and fits their agenda.

Then, when you prove that he didn't, as I have itt, they move the goal posts and say things like 'yeah but his stats mean nothing because he couldn't play with his team mates'.

But he showed that he could play elite basketball with wade and bosh in 2012 and 2013, so the 2014 loss was clearly not due to 'LeBron ball'.

So they pivot again with statements like 'the spurs were old and way past their prime' and lebron still couldn't beat them.

But the fact was that both wade and bosh were done in the 2014 finals. And Allen and Lewis were 34 and 38 and playing their last ever nba games. While the spurs had the league's best record an eased past the team with the 2nd best record and the league MVP in the WCF. They don't want to acknowledge any of these facts.

Facts are irrelevant to these people. All that matters it what they can twist to support the agenda.

Well here's a fact. LeBron was the best player in the 2014 Finals no matter what criteria you use.Whats so great about being the best player in a series or playoffs if your team loses?

If you can

[andgar923]

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]Whats so great about being the best player in a series or playoffs if your team loses?

If you can

[bullettooth]

Millennials do

:lol

In today's America, no child ever loses. There are no losers anymore. Everyone's a winner. No matter what the game or sport or competition, everybody wins. Everybody wins, everybody gets a trophy, no one is a loser. No child these days ever gets to hear those all-important, character building words: "You lost, Bobby!"

"You lost, you're a loser, Bobby!" They miss out on that. You know what they tell a kid who lost these days? "You were the last winner." A lot of these kids never get to hear the truth about themselves until they're in their twenties. When their boss calls them in and says "Bobby, clean the shit out of your desk and get the **** out of here, you're a loser."

~George Carlin

[The Iron Fist]

Millennials do
It was actually boomers who started that though.

[3ball]

.
Here's the problem that OP hasn't addressed:


the Heat lost due to weaker teamwork, not talent

Weaker teamwork is on lebron - his brand of ball is simply inferior to dynasty ball

Unfortunately, lebron lacks the skillset to dominate/achieve big stats when the ball is moving - he needs a live dribble to dominate, so his team plays a low ball movement style that marginalizes teammates and struggles to compete on the championship level

[AussieSteve]

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]Whats so great about being the best player in a series or playoffs if your team loses?

If you can

[AussieSteve]

.
Here's the problem that OP hasn't addressed:


the Heat lost due to weaker teamwork, not talent

Weaker teamwork is on lebron - his brand of ball is simply inferior to dynasty ball

Unfortunately, lebron lacks the skillset to dominate/achieve big stats when the ball is moving - he needs a live dribble to dominate, so his team plays a low ball movement style that marginalizes teammates and struggles to compete on the championship level

But this is BS. LeBron and Wade worked incredibly well together for 2 and a half years. One of the GOAT duo's. Winning 30 straight or whatever it was at one point. Why would lebron all of a sudden start playing differently to freeze out his team mates. It would make more sense to acknowledge lebrons aging and injured team, than assuming his play, that had delivered the two previous championships, was suddenly not conducive to winning.

You are simply making stuff up. Projecting the image of lebron that you believe to be true onto a reality which is quite different.

[tpols]

bron scored the bulk of his points when his team had already been crushed.

and never forced the issue early when they were in trouble, instead opting for a low volume, efficiency strategy.

basically he took no risk to keep them in the game AND the whole team was playing with downtrodden spirit because they knew his next team hop was right around the corner.

[The Iron Fist]

There's a difference between giving props to him for losing and acknowledging that he played well in an outclassed team.

The heat were outclassed. LeBron is the only player in history who could score 28 and 27 points through three quarters in back to back games and then have a bunch of inbreds tell us he played like sh!t and padded his stats with the game out of reach, when he scored 0 and then 4 points the the 4th.

It's literally equivalent to calling out Jordan for 1-9.
If you score 0 and 4 points in the 4th quarters when the game is still winnable, you didn

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[bigkingsfan]

4 finals in a row is something MJ never even achieved. He quit after three, due to mental fatigue.

[3ball]

4 finals in a row is something MJ never even achieved. He quit after three, due to mental fatigue.
MJ only retired because his dad died

And the bulls weren't tired because they used the goat teamwork they developed to win 55 without him.. this was the same lottery core from 89'

But regardless, MJ was entitled to a break - he had a lot less help, so he had to score 10-20 more than his 2nd option to win - so he was entitled to a break, especially since he was crowned goat after the 93' Finals anyway.. :confusedshrug:

[bigkingsfan]

MJ only retired because his dad died

And the bulls weren't tired because they used the goat teamwork they developed to win 55 without him.. this was the same lottery core from 89'

But regardless, MJ was entitled to a break - he had a lot less help, so he had to score 10-20 more than his 2nd option to win - so he was entitled to a break, especially since he was crowned goat after the 93' Finals anyway.. :confusedshrug:
"Mentally, I'm exhausted" :confusedshrug:

[Spurs m8]

Theres no way Wheels doesn't legit rage at his mom over 3ball hahahaah

[3ball]

"Mentally, I'm exhausted" :confusedshrug:
They were all exhausted after the 3-peat, but not enough to not continue... :whatever:

Pippen and Grant were fine in 1994 and won 55 games... Add mj and it's a guaranteed 4-peat... :bowdown:

[bigkingsfan]

They were all exhausted after the 3-peat, but not enough to not continue... :whatever:

Pippen and Grant were fine in 1994 and won 55 games... Add mj and it's a guaranteed 4-peat... :bowdown:
Due to Pippen leadership.

We all saw MJ when he returned. Nick Anderson. :bowdown:

[3ball]

But this is BS. LeBron and Wade worked incredibly well together for 2 and a half years. One of the GOAT duo's. Winning 30 straight or whatever it was at one point. Why would lebron all of a sudden start playing differently to freeze out his team mates. It would make more sense to acknowledge lebrons aging and injured team, than assuming his play, that had delivered the two previous championships, was suddenly not conducive to winning.

You are simply making stuff up. Projecting the image of lebron that you believe to be true onto a reality which is quite different.

Here's the simple response - the spurs were ancient and didn't have more talent, so they MUST HAVE won via teamwork.. process of elimination.. :confusedshrug: ..

and basic stats - the Heat were MASSIVELY out-assisted in this series.. :confusedshrug:

and the eye test - everyone saw the Spurs' teamwork and ball movement was far superior - the heat were taught a ball movement lesson by a bunch of old guys.. this is common knowledge.. :confusedshrug:

Now here's the proof from SB Nation:


Solving the LeBron James and Dwyane Wade dilemma



LeBron James did his best work in a thrilling Game 6 with Dwyane Wade on the bench. Dwyane Wade has often done his best work in these Finals with LeBron on the bench. Why does that happen, and how does Miami figure out a practical solution?

2013 Finals

ORtg/DRtg with LBJ/Wade: 100.8/112.7 ...
ORtg/DRtg with LBJ/NO Wade: 131.7/89.5

:eek:

https://www.sbnation.com/2013/6/19/4444164/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-heat-spurs-nba-finals-game-6


The article explains how both lebron/wade are ball-dominators and therefore need shooters around them - since neither guy is an off-ball shooter, they don't compliment each other or provide the other with what they need.. Otoh, a guy like Kyrie can play off-ball as a shooter, so kyrie fit better with LeBallDominate

Ultimately, Wade and lebron didn't have good chemistry, which is why they only went 2/4.... and either lost or were the underdog 3 of 4 seasons.... and were blown away in 2014
.

[3ball]

Due to Pippen leadership.

We all saw MJ when he returned. Nick Anderson. :bowdown:
They weren't a 55 win team by the time mj came back in 95

They were nearly a lottery team that MJ elevated to champion in 1 year - he'd already built an organic dynasty so it was quicker the 2nd time around... :bowdown:..

[bigkingsfan]

They weren't a 55 win team by the time mj came back in 95

They were nearly a lottery team that MJ elevated to champion in 1 year - he'd already built an organic dynasty so it was quicker the 2nd time around... :bowdown:..
Less playoff win than the previous year. They sure missed Horace. :bowdown:

[3ball]

Less playoff win than the previous year. They sure missed Horace. :bowdown:
Nah, every player was different from the 1st three-peat except Pippen, so the Bulls had no CHEMISTRY when MJ suddenly came back, and chemistry was their calling card

And Pippen disappeared in that series, while MJ unsuccessfully tried to shake off rust

[bigkingsfan]

Nah, every player was different from the 1st three-peat except Pippen, so the Bulls had no CHEMISTRY when MJ suddenly came back, and chemistry was their calling card

And Pippen disappeared in that series, while MJ unsuccessfully tried to shake off rust
How do you lose to a team that got swept in the finals? :eek:

[3ball]

How do you lose to a team that got swept in the finals? :eek:
That was Lebron's opponents in the Eastern conference - they lost to Lebron, who then had sweep and record loss in Finals .. :oldlol:

Again, the bulls simply weren't good in 1995 because MJ didn't have enough time to develop chemistry, or to shake off the rust

And Pippen was aids in that series... the Bulls win with Kyrie's 28 ppg Finals average instead of Pip's 19 on 41%.. :facepalm

[bigkingsfan]

That was Lebron's opponents in the Eastern conference - they lost to Lebron, who then had sweep and record loss in Finals .. :oldlol:

Again, the bulls simply weren't good in 1995 because MJ didn't have enough time to develop chemistry, or to shake off the rust

And Pippen was aids in that series... the Bulls win with Kyrie's 28 ppg Finals average instead of Pip's 19 on 41%.. :facepalm
Basically if the Bulls got a free pass to the 1995 finals, they would also be swept. :confusedshrug:

Sounds like Legoat elevating his teammate while MJ does the opposite.

[3ball]

Basically if the Bulls got a free pass to the 1995 finals, they would also be swept. :confusedshrug:

Sounds like Legoat elevating his teammate while MJ does the opposite.
the 95' Bulls would've beaten the Rockets - that was a much better matchup

MJ/Pip would destroy Drexler/Horry, and the Bulls had many big bodies to throw at Hakeem.. they would've solved the rotations on the perimeter of the a d locked the rockets'basic offense down

and if the Bulls made it that far, the chemistry would be back and mj less rusty

[bigkingsfan]

the 95' Bulls would've beaten the Rockets - that was a much better matchup

and if the Bulls made it that far, the chemistry would be back and mj less rusty

MJ/Pip would destroy Drexler/Horry, and the Bulls had many big bodies to throw at Hakeem.. they would've solved the rotations on the perimeter of the a d locked the rockets'basic offense down
Then you're admitting, none of the results from the earlier round matters. Thanks for playing.

[3ball]

Then you're admitting, none of the results from the earlier round matters. Thanks for playing.
lebron got a free pass in the East - he won the 14' ECF by averaging only 22 ppg

Then he got beat by better teamwork in the Finals,

Weaker teamwork is on lebron - his brand of ball is simply inferior to dynasty ball

Unfortunately, lebron lacks the skillset to dominate/achieve big stats when the ball is moving - he needs a live dribble to dominate, so his team plays a low ball movement style that marginalizes teammates and struggles to compete on the championship level

[bigkingsfan]

lebron got a free pass in the East - he won the 14' ECF by averaging only 22 ppg

Then he got beat by better teamwork in the Finals,

Weaker teamwork is on lebron - his brand of ball is simply inferior to dynasty ball

Unfortunately, lebron lacks the skillset to dominate/achieve big stats when the ball is moving - he needs a live dribble to dominate, so his team plays a low ball movement style that marginalizes teammates and struggles to compete on the championship level
https://media1.tenor.com/images/83116dac5575fef19f9a39e17984e7bd/tenor.gif

[3ball]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/83116dac5575fef19f9a39e17984e7bd/tenor.gif
I didn't know what point you were making so I posted a generic response

I can't decipher all your passive aggressive posts

[Da_Realist]

I didn't know what point you were making so I posted a generic response

I can't decipher all your passive aggressive posts

:oldlol:

[AussieSteve]

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]If you score 0 and 4 points in the 4th quarters when the game is still winnable, you didn

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

They were down by 20 to start the 4th. The whole argument 3ball and others make is that he padded his stats with the game out of reach. This has been categorically disprove itt. And so of course now the response is to Completely flip the narrative and call him a front runner.


No it hasn't - he scored most of his points when his team was already down a lot - that's a statistical fact, so the only thing that was proven is that he did infact stat pad

But this is already common knowledge and consensus - ur just a crazy person denying stats and saying the sky is pink . Carry on..






. All other points are padding stats or front running.



We'll have to agree to disagree on the padding aspect

But we know for a fact that the spurs were ancient and didn't have more talent, so they won via teamwork.. process of elimination.. :confusedshrug: ..

and basic stats show that the heat lost via bad teamwork - the Heat were MASSIVELY out-assisted in this series.. :confusedshrug:

and the eye test - everyone saw the Spurs' teamwork and ball movement was far superior - the heat were taught a ball movement lesson by a bunch of old guys.. this is common knowledge.. :confusedshrug:


Now here's the proof from SB Nation:


SOLVING THE LEBRON JAMES AND DWAYNE WADE DILEMMA



LeBron James did his best work in a thrilling Game 6 with Dwyane Wade on the bench. Dwyane Wade has often done his best work in these Finals with LeBron on the bench. Why does that happen, and how does Miami figure out a practical solution?

2013 Finals

ORtg/DRtg with LBJ/Wade: 100.8/112.7 ...
ORtg/DRtg with LBJ/NO Wade: 131.7/89.5

:eek:

https://www.sbnation.com/2013/6/19/4444164/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-heat-spurs-nba-finals-game-6


The article explains how both lebron/wade are ball-dominators and therefore need shooters around them - since neither guy is an off-ball shooter, they don't compliment each other or provide the other with what they need.. Otoh, a guy like Kyrie can play off-ball as a shooter, so kyrie fit better with LeBallDominate

Ultimately, Wade and lebron didn't have good chemistry, which is why they only went 2/4.... and either lost or were the underdog 3 of 4 seasons.... and were blown away in 2014

[ImKobe]

https://i.ibb.co/bRrgw71/lbj2014scoring.png

Coach Nick broke it down 5 years ago... it's time to let go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y02r-Dz5cMw

51 of his 141 points were scored when in a blowout.

[aj1987]

No it hasn't - he scored most of his points when his team was already down a lot - that's a statistical fact, so the only thing that was proven is that he did infact stat pad

But this is already common knowledge and consensus - ur just a crazy person denying stats and saying the sky is pink . Carry on..





We'll have to agree to disagree on the padding aspect

But we know for a fact that the spurs were ancient and didn't have more talent, so they won via teamwork.. process of elimination.. :confusedshrug: ..

and basic stats show that the heat lost via bad teamwork - the Heat were MASSIVELY out-assisted in this series.. :confusedshrug:

and the eye test - everyone saw the Spurs' teamwork and ball movement was far superior - the heat were taught a ball movement lesson by a bunch of old guys.. this is common knowledge.. :confusedshrug:


Now here's the proof from SB Nation:


SOLVING THE LEBRON JAMES AND DWAYNE WADE DILEMMA



LeBron James did his best work in a thrilling Game 6 with Dwyane Wade on the bench. Dwyane Wade has often done his best work in these Finals with LeBron on the bench. Why does that happen, and how does Miami figure out a practical solution?

2013 Finals

ORtg/DRtg with LBJ/Wade: 100.8/112.7 ...
ORtg/DRtg with LBJ/NO Wade: 131.7/89.5

:eek:

https://www.sbnation.com/2013/6/19/4444164/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-heat-spurs-nba-finals-game-6


The article explains how both lebron/wade are ball-dominators and therefore need shooters around them - since neither guy is an off-ball shooter, they don't compliment each other or provide the other with what they need.. Otoh, a guy like Kyrie can play off-ball as a shooter, so kyrie fit better with LeBallDominate

Ultimately, Wade and lebron didn't have good chemistry, which is why they only went 2/4.... and either lost or were the underdog 3 of 4 seasons.... and were blown away in 2014
LeBron only played like 6 minutes a game in the 4th Q's and scored only ~3.5 points. Did his scoring in the first 3 Q's when the games were still within ~15 points. However, according to LOZERUS, if a player tries to score when a team in trailing by 15 with a quarter and a half of basketball, it's stat padding, because apparently the game is already a blowout.

For instance, in his insane and absolutely retarded rambling, he fails to acknowledge the FACT that LeBron brought the Heat back to within 13 with like 8 minutes to go in the 3rd. That's when others started missing and the Spurs went on a 7-0 run.

Game 1 - LeBron single handedly kept the Heat in the game and the minute he goes out, Miami gets blown out. 2 point game with LeBron on the court. The moment he sits, the Spurs go on a 16-3 run in a span of about four minutes. As I said, without LeBron the Heat got torched by the Spurs.

Game 2 - LeBron plays an incredible game and CB comes through in the Clutch with the late 3. Miami barely win though. Even though Bosh came through in the clutch, dude was terrible (as was Wade) and let Duncan destroy him.

Game 3 - LeBron was terrible in the 4th without question. No excuses. Unlike you, I can admit when a player is terrible, you braindead retard.

Game 5 - So, according to you, LeBron was stat padding when he was trying to score midway through the 3rd with the Heat down 15, but he should

[AussieSteve]

https://i.ibb.co/bRrgw71/lbj2014scoring.png

Coach Nick broke it down 5 years ago... it's time to let go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y02r-Dz5cMw

51 of his 141 points were scored when in a blowout.

So he tried to get his team involved early, but then realised he needed to take things upon himself as the game got out of hand?

Sounds about right.

[ImKobe]

So he tried to get his team involved early, but then realised he needed to take things upon himself as the game got out of hand?

Sounds about right.

Nope. He was just terrible in the last 3 games and gets overrated for his 1st/3rd quarter scoring. He wasn't all that efficient when game was still within reach.

They were down 10 early in the 4th of Game 3 and he had 4 pts to 3 TOs in the quarter.. he was 1/3 for 2 pts in the 4th of Game 1 that they lost by 19 pts, they were up 4 points to start the quarter (didn't play the last 4 minutes but they already blew the lead by then).

He had one good game in the whole series. We were all clowning him in Game 5 when he scored most of his pts in the 1st quarter and then didn't look for a basket before being down 15-20 points late in the 3rd.

[aj1987]

Nope. He was just terrible in the last 3 games and gets overrated for his 1st/3rd quarter scoring. He wasn't all that efficient when game was still within reach.

They were down 10 early in the 4th of Game 3 and he had 4 pts to 3 TOs in the quarter.. he was 1/3 for 2 pts in the 4th of Game 1 that they lost by 19 pts, they were up 4 points to start the quarter (didn't play the last 4 minutes but they already blew the lead by then).

He had one good game in the whole series. We were all clowning him in Game 5 when he scored most of his pts in the 1st quarter and then didn't look for a basket before being down 15-20 points late in the 3rd.
They were down 2 when LeBron went to the bench, you cherry picking idiot. The Spurs went on a 16-3 run the second he went to the bench.

The fact is, LeBron in '14 had a better Finals than pretty much ANY of Brick's and that haunts you. Time to let it go.

[3ball]

https://i.ibb.co/bRrgw71/lbj2014scoring.png

Coach Nick broke it down 5 years ago... it's time to let go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y02r-Dz5cMw

51 of his 141 points were scored when in a blowout.
^^^ And there it is... The definition of stat-padding

But more important than padding, is that the spurs were ancient and didn't have more talent, so they won via teamwork.. :confusedshrug:

and basic stats show that the heat lost via bad teamwork - the Heat were MASSIVELY out-assisted in this series.. :confusedshrug:

and the eye test - everyone saw the Spurs' teamwork and ball movement was far superior - the heat were taught a ball movement lesson by a bunch of old guys.. this is common knowledge.. :confusedshrug:


Now here's the proof from SB Nation:


SOLVING THE LEBRON JAMES AND DWAYNE WADE DILEMMA



LeBron James did his best work in a thrilling Game 6 with Dwyane Wade on the bench. Dwyane Wade has often done his best work in these Finals with LeBron on the bench. Why does that happen, and how does Miami figure out a practical solution?

2013 Finals

ORtg/DRtg with LBJ/Wade: 100.8/112.7 ...
ORtg/DRtg with LBJ/NO Wade: 131.7/89.5

:eek:

https://www.sbnation.com/2013/6/19/4444164/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-heat-spurs-nba-finals-game-6


The article explains how both lebron/wade are ball-dominators and therefore need shooters around them - since neither guy is an off-ball shooter, they don't compliment each other or provide the other with what they need.. Otoh, a guy like Kyrie can play off-ball as a shooter, so kyrie fit better with LeBallDominate

Ultimately, Wade and lebron didn't have good chemistry, which is why they only went 2/4.... and either lost or were the underdog 3 of 4 seasons.... and were blown away in 2014

[ImKobe]

They were down 2 when LeBron went to the bench, you cherry picking idiot. The Spurs went on a 16-3 run the second he went to the bench.

The fact is, LeBron in '14 had a better Finals than pretty much ANY of Brick's and that haunts you. Time to let it go.

Losing by a historic margin is considered a good Finals now? Got outplayed by a 3rd year player who averaged 13 ppg in the RS. I don't think you understand how bad that is. Kawhi averaged 13 ppg in the Rs and the first 3 rounds of the Playoffs with only two 20+ pt games but averaged 18 ppg in the Finals with 3 straight 20+ pt games, shot 58% or higher in 4 out of 5 Finals games. He was better than Lebron in 3 straight Finals games at Lebron's house.

How am I cherry-picking? They were up 7 points in the 4th at one point and already gave up the lead before Lebron went out with cramps. Green was already on a run. The game was lost before the injury. Lebron didn't get anything going and they were being outplayed so a run at the end of the 4th was inevitable, they were in the middle of that run when Lebron went out.

You're mentally-challenged if you think that Lebron's 2014 Finals was better than any of 2nd 3-Peat Jordan's or Kobe's. Truth be told, it was a terrible Finals for Lebron and he himself would admit that. Only boxscore watchers such as yourself would consider it a good performance.

[aj1987]

Losing by a historic margin is considered a good Finals now? Got outplayed by a 3rd year player who averaged 13 ppg in the RS. I don't think you understand how bad that is. Kawhi averaged 13 ppg in the Rs and the first 3 rounds of the Playoffs with only two 20+ pt games but averaged 18 ppg in the Finals with 3 straight 20+ pt games, shot 58% or higher in 4 out of 5 Finals games. He was better than Lebron in 3 straight Finals games at Lebron's house.
Yeah, too bad LeBron didn't have Shaq or Pau to bail him out. LeBron got, according to you, outplayed by a HOF player in Kawhi. Brick got outplayed by Austin Croshere. Let that sink in.

Yeah, the margin was so big because the Spurs had a significantly better team than the Heat. Wade arguably had one of his worst series in the PO's ever and Bosh was, well, he was Bosh. Also, lets not forget that Miami was an ancient team.

Oh, and since you obviously have never watched basketball, Miami didn't lose the final 3 games in Miami.


How am I cherry-picking? They were up 7 points in the 4th at one point and already gave up the lead before Lebron went out with cramps. Green was already on a run. The game was lost before the injury. Lebron didn't get anything going and they were being outplayed so a run at the end of the 4th was inevitable, they were in the middle of that run when Lebron went out.
LeBron went out after hitting a shot which put them within two. The game was still winnable. The defense and offense went to complete shit the second LeBron went off the court. A 16-3 run in the Final 4 minutes. The Heat couldn't get a stop and couldn't make a bucket with LeBron off the court.


You're mentally-challenged if you think that Lebron's 2014 Finals was better than any of 2nd 3-Peat Jordan's or Kobe's. Truth be told, it was a terrible Finals for Lebron and he himself would admit that. Only boxscore watchers such as yourself would consider it a good performance.
Are you on acid? When did I say that LeBron's '14 Finals was better than any of Jordan's? However, it's much better than pretty much all of Brick's. Dude averaged 22 PPG on 38% over his first four Finals COMBINED. Brick is a horrific Finals performer and that's a FACT. That's not my opinion.

Also, since you obviously did not even read the OP, I'll post that and some more here:

LeBron only played like 6 minutes a game in the 4th Q's and scored only ~3.5 points. Did his scoring in the first 3 Q's when the games were still within ~15 points. However, according to LOZERUS, if a player tries to score when a team in trailing by 15 with a quarter and a half of basketball, it's stat padding, because apparently the game is already a blowout.

For instance, in his insane and absolutely retarded rambling, he fails to acknowledge the FACT that LeBron brought the Heat back to within 13 with like 8 minutes to go in the 3rd. That's when others started missing and the Spurs went on a 7-0 run.

Game 1 - LeBron single handedly kept the Heat in the game and the minute he goes out, Miami gets blown out. 2 point game with LeBron on the court. The moment he sits, the Spurs go on a 16-3 run in a span of about four minutes. As I said, without LeBron the Heat got torched by the Spurs.

Game 2 - LeBron plays an incredible game and CB comes through in the Clutch with the late 3. Miami barely win though. Even though Bosh came through in the clutch, dude was terrible (as was Wade) and let Duncan destroy him.

Game 3 - LeBron was terrible in the 4th without question. No excuses. Unlike you, I can admit when a player is terrible, you braindead retard.

Game 5 - So, according to you, LeBron was stat padding when he was trying to score midway through the 3rd with the Heat down 15, but he should

[scuzzy]

AJ picking apart ImKobe from head to toe


ouch

[Spurs m8]

3ball is literally the ultimate n00b slayer.

He legit brings posters to tears.

I almost feel sorry for the crippled one

[FKAri]

3ball is literally the ultimate n00b slayer.

He legit brings posters to tears.

I almost feel sorry for the crippled one
He's actually just a ****ing idiot who'd fail any argumentative essay in high school. I agree with him most of the time and still think he's a tard because of how inadequately he supports his arguments.

[Gileraracer]

Lebrons career is based on excuses :(

[TheCorporation]

So he tried to get his team involved early, but then realised he needed to take things upon himself as the game got out of hand?

Sounds about right.

Another day :hammertime:

Another win :dancin :djparty

[TheCorporation]

Lebrons career is based on unbreakable records


Another day :hammertime:

Another win :dancin :djparty

Agreed

[ImKobe]

I'm not a LeBron stan. I just want to call out BS when I see it.

Presented here are some myths perpetuated by tards who try and turn LeBron's 2014 Finals performance into something that it wasn't. Debunked

1. LeBron was outplayed by Kawhi.

LeBron averaged 28.2ppg on 68%ts. Kawhi averaged 17.8ppg on 75%ts. Not even close. And don't say 'defense', both were 2nd team All-D that season. Statistically, LeBron was the best player in the series by a large margin, averaging 10.2ppg more than anyone else from either team.


2. LeBron stat padded with games out of reach to get numbers that look better than his performances warranted.

There was not a single game when Lebron stat padded in the 4th.

Game 1.
- James leaves the game with cramps with 7:31 to go. Heat up by 2.
- He comes back in with 4:33 to go. Heat down by 4.
- Scores a bucket with 4:09 left, then leaves the game for good. Heat down by 2
- Heat end up losing by 15.
- no statpadding

Game 2
LeBron scores 35 and Heat win by 2. No stat padding to be had here.

Game 3
- LeBron's last points were with 6:31 remaining, after which the score was 97-84.
- no stat padding.

Game 4
- LeBron had 28 points after 3 quarters, 19 in the third, and the Heat were still down by 24.
- he only played 4:54 in the 4th, had one rebound and no points.
- no stat padding

Game 5
- LeBron had 27 points after 3 quarters and the Heat were still down by 19.
- LeBron scored his last points with 7:32 remaining and sat out the last 6:30.
- no stat padding.

In the four games the Heat lost, LeBron average 24.0 points in the first 3 quarters, only to be facing a blow out 3 out of 4 games. He then averaged just 2.5 in fourth quarters, BECAUSE HE DID NOT ONCE STAT PAD.


3. LeBron's team was stacked and he still couldn't get it done against past their prime has-beens and a baby Kawhi.

The 2014 finals were almost as big a carry job as the 2015 finals for LeBron. Wade and Bosh, the two guys that supposedly made the team stacked, COMBINED for 29.2 points and 9.0 rebounds a game. Ray Allen was 38. Rashard Lewis was 34. The team was literally LeBron and corpses of former great players.

Interestingly, Wade averaged 4.7 points in the 4th quarters of the three blow out losses, and 2 points in the 4th of the two games they actually had a chance in down the stretch. If anyone stat-padded it was Wade, meaning that Wade's 15.2ppg for the series is flattering number.

Forget the 3/9 narratives. LeBron was objectively great in the 2014 finals, but outside of him the Heat were completely out-matched at all positions and off the bench.

Conclusion
LeBron played great. As well as one could have asked of him. Given that he averaged 24.6ppg in Q1-Q3 across the series, the truth is that his overall numbers do not reflect how great he played, because he scored so little in 4th quarters, because his team was constantly blown out.

At the very least, in terms of level of individual play, LeBron's 2014 finals performance was:
- on par with Kobe's best Finals. Likely better than any of Kobe's Finals.
- on par with any of Jordan's 2nd 3peat Finals.


Lebron kept the Heat in game in Game 1 with 2 points on 1/3 shooting in the 4th after they blow a 7-point lead in the middle of the 4th to Danny ****ing Green? :facepalm

Spurs clamped him down in 4th quarters. I said he was clutch in Game 2, but he only scored 8 in the quarter with 1 point coming in the last 5 minutes of the game, it was actually Bosh who hit the go-ahead shot with Lebron missing a FT to make it a 2-possession game with 48 seconds left.

Game 3 the Heat are only down 10 early in the 4th quarter and he has 3 turnovers before he scores a basket to go with a total of 4 pts and 3 TOs in the quarter at home. That's the series right there.

And you say he didn't stat-pad in Game 4, he scored 19 pts in the 3rd but his team was down double-digits the whole way, what you wanna call it? He didn't get any points in the 4th or the start of the game because they were locking him down when it counted, of course he cherry-picked 19 of his 28 points when Spurs were up big(15-20+ points) because he couldn't get anything when the games were winnable.

You can't have a better series than Kobe/MJ when you're losing by a historic margin and disappearing in winnable games while getting outplayed by a 3rd year player who averaged 13 ppg in the RS and first 3 rounds of the Playoffs. We gave you context on his numbers and you still wanna say he played great & didn't stat-pad because he couldn't score in the 4th with the game still on the line :roll: :roll: .

And Lebron didn't get outplayed by Kawhi? http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/91407/kawhi-leonard-wreaking-havoc-on-lebron

Leonard outplayed James in the 3 straight wins. Kept his FGA and assists low because Lebron couldn't get anything when he needed on the offensive end, they were forcing Miami to shot-clock violations in the half court.

I can feel the foam coming out of your mouth every time you write "Brick". Keep doing you but I'm done here.

[aj1987]

Lebron kept the Heat in game in Game 1 with 2 points on 1/3 shooting in the 4th after they blow a 7-point lead in the middle of the 4th to Danny ****ing Green? :facepalm
Danny Green would've won the FMVP in '13, if LeBron doesn't take over the 4th Q in game 6 or annihilate the Spurs in game 7. Danny Green wasn't just some scrub. Also, I do not understand what LeBron is supposed to do? If he held Green to sub par shooting and someone else went off, you retards would've been complaining about how LeBron didn't cover that guy. This has been going on since for ever. LeBron can guard ONE guy. That's it.

Did you know that Brick made All-Def First team, while leading his teams to the 15th and 24th defenses in the league. Not to mention the 2nd team nod, when his team was 13th.

Dude was a massively overrated defender and Phil called him out as well.

BTW, can you explain why the Heat were within 2 with 4 minutes left and very close the entire game, and the moment LeBron went off the court, they got blown the **** out? I'll wait.


Spurs clamped him down in 4th quarters. I said he was clutch in Game 2, but he only scored 8 in the quarter with 1 point coming in the last 5 minutes of the game, it was actually Bosh who hit the go-ahead shot with Lebron missing a FT to make it a 2-possession game with 48 seconds left.
In the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Q's LeBron led both teams in scoring. Bosh hit a clutch shot with like a minute and twenty left. LeBron hit the game clinching FT and guess who passed the ball to Bosh to hit the clutch 3? LeBron James.

Here's that play, BTW. Literally every single player concentrated on LeBron and multiple others were left WIDE OPEN.

https://i.postimg.cc/RFLfZkXG/elkrnfk.png

LeBron made the right play and won the game for the Heat.



Game 3 the Heat are only down 10 early in the 4th quarter and he has 3 turnovers before he scores a basket to go with a total of 4 pts and 3 TOs in the quarter at home. That's the series right there.
Did you even read my post? I said LeBron was bad in the 4th. No excuses. Unlike you things, I do not blindly support a player. I go by the FACTS.


And you say he didn't stat-pad in Game 4, he scored 19 pts in the 3rd but his team was down double-digits the whole way, what you wanna call it? He didn't get any points in the 4th or the start of the game because they were locking him down when it counted, of course he cherry-picked 19 of his 28 points when Spurs were up big(15-20+ points) because he couldn't get anything when the games were winnable.
This literally just proves that you have never watched a single game of basketball in your entire life. No team gives up when they're down by double digits in the 3rd Q. Especially in the Finals. LeBron has 19 in the 3rd. The rest of the team? The rest of the team went 1-9 (no pun intended) with around 5 TOV's in the 3rd Q. LeBron scoring a ton meant jack shit because the rest of the team was horrendously bad. Dude was balling, but the rest of the team was on vacation.

I will say this again. 2014 Finals was probably the WORST series EVER for Wade. Bosh was beyond terrible as well. Not surprising, considering the FACT that he helped Hibbert get All-Star and All-Def nods.


You can't have a better series than Kobe/MJ when you're losing by a historic margin and disappearing in winnable games while getting outplayed by a 3rd year player who averaged 13 ppg in the RS and first 3 rounds of the Playoffs. We gave you context on his numbers and you still wanna say he played great & didn't stat-pad because he couldn't score in the 4th with the game still on the line :roll: :roll: .
Again, shit for brains, I am not talking about Jordan. However, Brick got carried to championships when he was getting outplayed by Austin Croshere. Dude averaged 16 PPG on 37% shooting in the Finals and won a title. I honestly doubt that a team won a title with the #2 putting up worse stats than Austin Croshere. Not just that, LeBron was guarded by a legendary defender and not a midget scrub. He wasn't guarded by the likes of Jalen Rose.

Funny, that you bring up the 4th Q's, while simultaneously claiming that the games were finished before the 3rd Q. Can't expect much from you Brick turds though.


And Lebron didn't get outplayed by Kawhi? http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/91407/kawhi-leonard-wreaking-havoc-on-lebron
No. Not even close. The Spurs, as a team, were significantly better than the Heat, but Kawhi did not outplay LeBron. Swap LeBron and Kawhi. The Spurs sweep the Heat with a margin of 30 PPG.


Leonard outplayed James in the 3 straight wins. Kept his FGA and assists low because Lebron couldn't get anything when he needed on the offensive end, they were forcing Miami to shot-clock violations in the half court.
Except for the FACT that Miami's offense was still good, but the defense was beyond terrible. Bosh was god awful, Wade was just flat out bad, and rest were just terrible role player way past their primes. The best example of them getting owned in when LeBron went out in G1. It went from being a 2 point game after LeBron's score to getting outscored 16-3 in the final 4 minutes.


I can feel the foam coming out of your mouth every time you write "Brick". Keep doing you but I'm done here.
Yeah, you're done because you're a beta cuck who always runs away from FACTS. You know that FACTS are not kind to the dude you rub it out to. You're the Peter McNeely of ISH, kid.

[PickernRoller]

The Walls of Text get bigger the higher the salinity levels.

"Not a Bran stan"....21k posts later... :roll: :roll:

[aj1987]

The Walls of Text get bigger the higher the salinity levels.

"Not a Bran stan"....21k posts later... :roll: :roll:
Shh.. the adults are talking, little girl.

https://i.postimg.cc/3xHzV6d9/ywolq7i.png

[PickernRoller]

Ohh that surely tickled... :lol :lol

[aj1987]

Ohh that surely tickled... :lol :lol
Keep melting, swamp boy.

[PickernRoller]

You actually googled about my zip code.... :roll: :roll:

We've surpassed rent free levels... reaching stalker status now.

[aj1987]

You actually googled about my zip code.... :roll: :roll:

We've surpassed rent free levels... reaching stalker status now.
You actually live in a swamp? I just remember posters on here calling you out for living in Florida and sucking Kobe's ****. Did not know that you live in a swamp though.

Thanks for the info, swamp boy. :cheers:

[The Iron Fist]

They were down by 20 to start the 4th. The whole argument 3ball and others make is that he padded his stats with the game out of reach. This has been categorically disprove itt. And so of course now the response is to Completely flip the narrative and call him a front runner.

I guess that for lebron we should only count the points he scores late in the 4th of close games. All other points are padding stats or front running.

But kawhi's 5ppg in 4th quarters while up by 20+ is clutch FMVP stuff.


https://media1.tenor.com/images/83116dac5575fef19f9a39e17984e7bd/tenor.gif
So they were down by 20 to start the 4th. That makes it even worse for lebron. He does not know how to use his team. That

[The Iron Fist]

[QUOTE=aj1987]LeBron only played like 6 minutes a game in the 4th Q's and scored only ~3.5 points. Did his scoring in the first 3 Q's when the games were still within ~15 points. However, according to LOZERUS, if a player tries to score when a team in trailing by 15 with a quarter and a half of basketball, it's stat padding, because apparently the game is already a blowout.

For instance, in his insane and absolutely retarded rambling, he fails to acknowledge the FACT that LeBron brought the Heat back to within 13 with like 8 minutes to go in the 3rd. That's when others started missing and the Spurs went on a 7-0 run.

Game 1 - LeBron single handedly kept the Heat in the game and the minute he goes out, Miami gets blown out. 2 point game with LeBron on the court. The moment he sits, the Spurs go on a 16-3 run in a span of about four minutes. As I said, without LeBron the Heat got torched by the Spurs.

Game 2 - LeBron plays an incredible game and CB comes through in the Clutch with the late 3. Miami barely win though. Even though Bosh came through in the clutch, dude was terrible (as was Wade) and let Duncan destroy him.

Game 3 - LeBron was terrible in the 4th without question. No excuses. Unlike you, I can admit when a player is terrible, you braindead retard.

Game 5 - So, according to you, LeBron was stat padding when he was trying to score midway through the 3rd with the Heat down 15, but he should

[The Iron Fist]

[QUOTE=aj1987]Yeah, too bad LeBron didn't have Shaq or Pau to bail him out. LeBron got, according to you, outplayed by a HOF player in Kawhi. Brick got outplayed by Austin Croshere. Let that sink in.

Yeah, the margin was so big because the Spurs had a significantly better team than the Heat. Wade arguably had one of his worst series in the PO's ever and Bosh was, well, he was Bosh. Also, lets not forget that Miami was an ancient team.

Oh, and since you obviously have never watched basketball, Miami didn't lose the final 3 games in Miami.


LeBron went out after hitting a shot which put them within two. The game was still winnable. The defense and offense went to complete shit the second LeBron went off the court. A 16-3 run in the Final 4 minutes. The Heat couldn't get a stop and couldn't make a bucket with LeBron off the court.


Are you on acid? When did I say that LeBron's '14 Finals was better than any of Jordan's? However, it's much better than pretty much all of Brick's. Dude averaged 22 PPG on 38% over his first four Finals COMBINED. Brick is a horrific Finals performer and that's a FACT. That's not my opinion.

Also, since you obviously did not even read the OP, I'll post that and some more here:

LeBron only played like 6 minutes a game in the 4th Q's and scored only ~3.5 points. Did his scoring in the first 3 Q's when the games were still within ~15 points. However, according to LOZERUS, if a player tries to score when a team in trailing by 15 with a quarter and a half of basketball, it's stat padding, because apparently the game is already a blowout.

For instance, in his insane and absolutely retarded rambling, he fails to acknowledge the FACT that LeBron brought the Heat back to within 13 with like 8 minutes to go in the 3rd. That's when others started missing and the Spurs went on a 7-0 run.

Game 1 - LeBron single handedly kept the Heat in the game and the minute he goes out, Miami gets blown out. 2 point game with LeBron on the court. The moment he sits, the Spurs go on a 16-3 run in a span of about four minutes. As I said, without LeBron the Heat got torched by the Spurs.

Game 2 - LeBron plays an incredible game and CB comes through in the Clutch with the late 3. Miami barely win though. Even though Bosh came through in the clutch, dude was terrible (as was Wade) and let Duncan destroy him.

Game 3 - LeBron was terrible in the 4th without question. No excuses. Unlike you, I can admit when a player is terrible, you braindead retard.

Game 5 - So, according to you, LeBron was stat padding when he was trying to score midway through the 3rd with the Heat down 15, but he should

[aj1987]

Writes another romance novel about lebron that rivals the lengthy stories of the LOTR. But not a lebron stan:roll:


This is not the work of a lebron stan guys :roll:

It's a copy paste of multiple post, you autistic ****. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Also, I'm not a person who claimed to hate LeBron. I've always said he's among my favorite players (after Wade and Shaq).

What's your excuse for your irrational, foaming at the mouth, hatred for LeBron, little man?

[The Iron Fist]

It's a copy paste of multiple post, you autistic ****. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Also, I'm not a person who claimed to hate LeBron. I've always said he's among my favorite players (after Wade and Shaq).

What's your excuse for your irrational, foaming at the mouth, hatred for LeBron, little man?
Nobody hates six time losers. Why are you so mad JRR Tolkien?

[ImKobe]

Writes another romance novel about lebron that rivals the lengthy stories of the LOTR. But not a lebron stan:roll:

I got a good chuckle out of his fanfic.

[PickernRoller]

You actually live in a swamp? I just remember posters on here calling you out for living in Florida and sucking Kobe's ****. Did not know that you live in a swamp though.

Thanks for the info, swamp boy. :cheers:

Florida is a big swamp dummy.

But lets not stray away from the subject... you ain't "Bran stan" right...? :lol :lol

[aj1987]

Nobody hates six time losers. Why are you so mad JRR Tolkien?
Stating facts =/= being mad, Brick stan.

I think I've said this at least a dozen times. You Brick turds absolutely despise FACTS.


I got a good chuckle out of his fanfic.
:oldlol:

Brick turds are convincing themselves that FACTS are fiction now.


Florida is a big swamp dummy.

But lets not stray away from the subject... you ain't "Bran stan" right...? :lol :lol
Read my previous post, you inbred swamp dweller (if you can).

[PickernRoller]

How come you ain't a Bran stan if you svck his imaginary c0ck in every single post you make on here...

I think that's hard to explain away with a simple no....

You need to give us proof Pramesh.

[aj1987]

How come you ain't a Bran stan if you svck his imaginary c0ck in every single post you make on here...

I think that's hard to explain away with a simple no....

You need to give us proof Pramesh.
Kid, you have hundreds of thousands of posts dedicated to LeBron across your dozens of alts. Time to get his dick out your ass and jump off a cliff. :cheers:

[AussieSteve]

^^^ And there it is... The definition of stat-padding

But more important than padding, is that the spurs were ancient and didn't have more talent, so they won via teamwork.. :confusedshrug:

and basic stats show that the heat lost via bad teamwork - the Heat were MASSIVELY out-assisted in this series.. :confusedshrug:

and the eye test - everyone saw the Spurs' teamwork and ball movement was far superior - the heat were taught a ball movement lesson by a bunch of old guys.. this is common knowledge.. :confusedshrug:


Now here's the proof from SB Nation:


SOLVING THE LEBRON JAMES AND DWAYNE WADE DILEMMA



LeBron James did his best work in a thrilling Game 6 with Dwyane Wade on the bench. Dwyane Wade has often done his best work in these Finals with LeBron on the bench. Why does that happen, and how does Miami figure out a practical solution?

2013 Finals

ORtg/DRtg with LBJ/Wade: 100.8/112.7 ...
ORtg/DRtg with LBJ/NO Wade: 131.7/89.5

:eek:

https://www.sbnation.com/2013/6/19/4444164/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-heat-spurs-nba-finals-game-6


The article explains how both lebron/wade are ball-dominators and therefore need shooters around them - since neither guy is an off-ball shooter, they don't compliment each other or provide the other with what they need.. Otoh, a guy like Kyrie can play off-ball as a shooter, so kyrie fit better with LeBallDominate

Ultimately, Wade and lebron didn't have good chemistry, which is why they only went 2/4.... and either lost or were the underdog 3 of 4 seasons.... and were blown away in 2014

You just keep beating the same drum. Give it up. You're wrong.

Scoring while 15 points down in the 2nd is not stat padding. According to you, every single point scored after the end of Q1 in game 3 was stat padding! Yet you hail wade's 11 Q3 points as fighting back!?

Could it be that lebron generally tried to get his team mates involved early, then saw the lead blowing out and so started to take things upon himself? Im sure that narrative would be fine for anyone else. But hey... you have to work with the stats you've got available to you, and lebron can only be a front runner, quitter, choker or stat padded. In this instance the stats lend themselves to stat padder more than the other options so I guess that's what you're going with.

Now, soring with the margin at 13+ in the 4th might be padding stats. And kawhi and wade both scored twice as many of these points as lebron. But that's different in this case, right? Thats kawhi and wade working to bring their teams home, while lebron quit in the 4th.

You also basically just stated that the heat sucked when wade was on the court, but they were great when he wasn't. Exactly what I've been saying. Wade sucked. But of course, you blame lebron.

And the spurs were ancient!? Ray was 38 and retired after game 5. Lewis was 34 and retired after game 5. Wade was 32, declining, hobbled and just awful in the series (as your stats identified). Bosh had been declining steeply for months (in Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr that year his ppg went 19, 17, 15, 14... he was done) but you know all this and choose to ignore it.

You don't have to like lebron. You don't have to entertain a Jordan v lebron debate, but why do you have yo fabricate and falsify to bring lebron down. Are you that insecure about his greatness?

[PickernRoller]

You keep avoiding the issue...

How do you explain not being a Lebron stan?

And who are my alts?

[aj1987]

You keep avoiding the issue...

How do you explain not being a Lebron stan?

And who are my alts?
Are you dyslexic, kid? Must be from all the crack your mom did while she was pregnant with you.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13734379&postcount=162

[PickernRoller]

So let me get this straight...

You go from claiming not being his Stan to Lebron being in your Top 3 favorite players in basketball fanhood ..all in just one page and you expect us to see nothing wrong with your current mental state?

BTW who are my alts?? don't think you can get off free...

[RRR3]

Kid, you have hundreds of thousands of posts dedicated to LeBron across your dozens of alts. Time to get his dick out your ass and jump off a cliff. :cheers:
:no:

Unacceptable. Never encourage suicide. You don

[3ball]

.
The spurs were ancient and didn't have more talent, so they won via teamwork.. process of elimination.. :confusedshrug: ..

and basic stats show that the heat lost via bad teamwork - the Heat were MASSIVELY out-assisted in this series.. :confusedshrug:

and the eye test - everyone saw the Spurs' teamwork and ball movement was far superior - the heat were taught a ball movement lesson by a bunch of old guys.. this is common knowledge.. :confusedshrug:


Now here's the proof from SB Nation:


SOLVING THE LEBRON JAMES AND DWAYNE WADE DILEMMA



LeBron James did his best work in a thrilling Game 6 with Dwyane Wade on the bench. Dwyane Wade has often done his best work in these Finals with LeBron on the bench. Why does that happen, and how does Miami figure out a practical solution?

2013 Finals

ORtg/DRtg with LBJ/Wade: 100.8/112.7 ...
ORtg/DRtg with LBJ/NO Wade: 131.7/89.5

:eek:

https://www.sbnation.com/2013/6/19/4444164/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-heat-spurs-nba-finals-game-6


The article explains how both lebron/wade are ball-dominators and therefore need shooters around them - since neither guy is an off-ball shooter, they don't compliment each other or provide the other with what they need.. Otoh, a guy like Kyrie can play off-ball as a shooter, so kyrie fit better with LeBallDominate

Ultimately, Wade and lebron didn't have good chemistry, which is why they only went 2/4.... and either lost or were the underdog 3 of 4 seasons.... and were blown away in 2014

[3ball]

Scoring while 15 points down in the 2nd is not stat padding.


^^^ that isn't stat-padding, but scoring MOST OF YOUR POINTS when your team is down 15+ is padding... :confusedshrug: .. :applause: .. :cheers:

And again, you aren't addressing the bigger problem - the heat didn't lose to better talent - they lost to better teamwork, which is on lebron..

see the previous post above for the proof (although the Heat's weaker teamwork is obvious common knowledge to everyone who watched that series)






Lebron didn't pad



Again, here's the problem OP hasn't addressed:


the Heat lost due to weaker teamwork, not talent

Weaker teamwork is on lebron - his brand of ball is simply inferior to dynasty ball.. see the previous post above for the proof (although the Heat's weaker teamwork is obvious common knowledge to everyone who watched that series)

Unfortunately, lebron lacks the skillset to dominate/achieve big stats when the ball is moving - he needs a live dribble to dominate, so his team plays a low ball movement style that marginalizes teammates and struggles to compete on the championship leve

[TheCorporation]

AJ picking apart ImKobe from head to toe


ouch


Another day :hammertime:

Another win :dancin :djparty

[AussieSteve]

^^^ that isn't stat-padding, but scoring MOST OF YOUR POINTS when your team is down 15+ is padding... :confusedshrug: .. :applause: .. :cheers:

And again, you aren't addressing the bigger problem - the heat didn't lose to better talent - they lost to better teamwork, which is on lebron..

see the previous post above for the proof (although the Heat's weaker teamwork is obvious common knowledge to everyone who watched that series)





Again, here's the problem OP hasn't addressed:


the Heat lost due to weaker teamwork, not talent

Weaker teamwork is on lebron - his brand of ball is simply inferior to dynasty ball.. see the previous post above for the proof (although the Heat's weaker teamwork is obvious common knowledge to everyone who watched that series)

Unfortunately, lebron lacks the skillset to dominate/achieve big stats when the ball is moving - he needs a live dribble to dominate, so his team plays a low ball movement style that marginalizes teammates and struggles to compete on the championship leve


Quit moving the goal posts. I'm ignoring your teamwork vs talent bs for a reason.

First admit you're wrong about lebron stat padding.Then we can talk about teamwork vs talent and which team was ancient.

This thread is about three myths that you folk like to talk about. I get that you now realise all three are indeed myths and you have no valid rebuttal, so you want to shift the focus to something else, but I need closure before I'll allow you to change the subject.

Kawhi scored less overall than lebron, but more in junk time. 5.0ppg in junk time over the last 3 games. Admit that he stat padded more. That's the only way I'll engage you on the other stuff.

[aj1987]

So let me get this straight...

You go from claiming not being his Stan to Lebron being in your Top 3 favorite players in basketball fanhood ..all in just one page and you expect us to see nothing wrong with your current mental state?

BTW who are my alts?? don't think you can get off free...
Kid, you legit have brain damage. Comes with being a Brick turd, I guess. Seek help.

[PickernRoller]

Kid, you legit have brain damage. Comes with being a Brick turd, I guess. Seek help.

So we've established that #1: you're afraid to name alts cause the last time you did every single user you mentioned laughed at your ass.:lol (your personal most hated list ...). Keep using that line to try to puff yourself up when cornered... that's all it's.

#2: You've also proven you're retarded beyond belief, and got caught flip flopping within a page on something so basic as being a Bran whore, which everyone in the forum knows you're. Only you are stupid enough to not be self aware and deny it so casually. :oldlol: :oldlol:

Poor Hindu, pity is what can only be felt for a poor soul like yours... another day, another L.

[Manny98]

Kid, you legit have brain damage. Comes with being a Brick turd, I guess. Seek help.
Poor Pickern I hope he gets better :(

[PickernRoller]

Manny the leash on your neck can always be tightened further...

[3ball]

Quit moving the goal posts. I'm ignoring your teamwork vs talent bs for a reason.

First admit you're wrong about lebron stat padding.Then we can talk about teamwork vs talent and which team was ancient.

This thread is about three myths that you folk like to talk about. I get that you now realise all three are indeed myths and you have no valid rebuttal, so you want to shift the focus to something else, but I need closure before I'll allow you to change the subject.

Kawhi scored less overall than lebron, but more in junk time. 5.0ppg in junk time over the last 3 games. Admit that he stat padded more. That's the only way I'll engage you on the other stuff.
Again, it isn't stat-padding to score when your team is down big, but it is stat-padding to score most of your points when the team is down big

So why would I say lebron didn't stat pad when he scored most of his points when his team was down big? That's stat-padding!

So no - lebron stat-padded and it's common knowledge that he's the biggest stat-padder in history - no one ever lost so bad while putting up stats (14' and 18' were record losses.. 17' was near record loss - LeRecordLoser)

And Duncan/Ginobili/Parker were 37/36/31, while Lebron/Bosh/Wade were 29/29/32... No comparison... :facepalm ...

Finally, the heat were taught a team assist and ball movement lesson by a old guys.. that's on lebron and his low ball movement style.. it's also on him that the Heat were better when lebron/wade's narrow ball-dominant skill sets weren't (https://www.sbnation.com/2013/6/19/4444164/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-heat-spurs-nba-finals-game-6) on the floor together

[aj1987]

So we've established that #1: you're afraid to name alts cause the last time you did every single user you mentioned laughed at your ass.:lol (your personal most hated list ...). Keep using that line to try to puff yourself up when cornered... that's all it's.
You literally are so scared that you hide behind alts on an anonymous message board, shit for brains. That's beyond pathetic. Now log into one of your alts and melt some more.


#2: You've also proven you're retarded beyond belief, and got caught flip flopping within a page on something so basic as being a Bran whore, which everyone in the forum knows you're. Only you are stupid enough to not be self aware and deny it so casually. :oldlol: :oldlol:
How mad are you right now? The fact that someone as retarded as you has managed to survive this long is simply astonishing. Let me dumb it down for you, you autistic ****. I've never claimed to not be a fan of LeBron. He was always in my top 5 favorite players list. Doesn't mean that I don't call him out on his shortcomings. Unlike you, a turd who has Kobe's dick jammed so far up his ass, that you can't even see straight.


Poor Hindu, pity is what can only be felt for a poor soul like yours... another day, another L.
Your entire existence is an L and this board is proof of that. Your life is devoted to hating on a grown mad playing a sport and making millions. :oldlol:


Poor Pickern I hope he gets better :(
Doubt it. The best is to just put him out of his misery.

[PickernRoller]

A lot of deflection... fact remains you can't name a single alt. I got you that paranoid.... You can write paragraphs but can't name one.

And you did casually deny being his stan and gave a laughable excuse when called out.... too stupid to think you wouldn't be. :roll: :roll: :roll:

But you're a retard, the sort of mentally challenged with an always-mad, always raging complex... so that's par for the course.

Enjoy the leash. :lol

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[aj1987]

A lot of deflection... fact remains you can't name a single alt. I got you that paranoid.... You can write paragraphs but can't name one.

And you did casually deny being his stan and gave a laughable excuse when called out.... too stupid to think you wouldn't be. :roll: :roll: :roll:

But you're a retard, the sort of mentally challenged with an always-mad, always raging complex... so that's par for the course.

Enjoy the leash. :lol

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I'm sorry, I don't speak basement dwelling retard. Can you please post this in English?

[nayte]

Not buying he is aussie. He might have a point but we wouldn't care that much. So don't buy it.
Oh wait. That deronzen dude. OK not sure now but seems like shit. Lol

[AussieSteve]

Again, it isn't stat-padding to score when your team is down big, but it is stat-padding to score most of your points when the team is down big

So why would I say lebron didn't stat pad when he scored most of his points when his team was down big? That's stat-padding!

So no - lebron stat-padded and it's common knowledge that he's the biggest stat-padder in history - no one ever lost so bad while putting up stats (14' and 18' were record losses.. 17' was near record loss - LeRecordLoser)

And Duncan/Ginobili/Parker were 37/36/31, while Lebron/Bosh/Wade were 29/29/32... No comparison... :facepalm ...

Finally, the heat were taught a team assist and ball movement lesson by a old guys.. that's on lebron and his low ball movement style.. it's also on him that the Heat were better when lebron/wade's narrow ball-dominant skill sets weren't (https://www.sbnation.com/2013/6/19/4444164/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-heat-spurs-nba-finals-game-6) on the floor together


Got it.

LeBron's 19 points in Q3 while the rest if his team went 1-9 for 2 points is a combination of lebron padding stats and minimising his team mates.

Kawhi scoring 9 points in the 4th while up 13+ is not stat padding because outside of this, he only really scored in the 1st and he hardly scored in the 2nd or 3rd, so overall he had a higher % of points while the margin was less than 15.

Wade and Bosh only scoring 15ppg and 14ppg respectively is on lebron and nothing to do with their decline or health.

The spurs were ancient, but the heat weren't. Even though three of the their core rotation were 35-38 and retired at the conclusion of the series. Even though Wade was 32 and manifestly playing like ass.

Double standards much?

[ImKobe]

Got it.

LeBron's 19 points in Q3 while the rest if his team went 1-9 for 2 points is a combination of lebron padding stats and minimising his team mates.

Kawhi scoring 9 points in the 4th while up 13+ is not stat padding because outside of this, he only really scored in the 1st and he hardly scored in the 2nd or 3rd, so overall he had a higher % of points while the margin was less than 15.

Wade and Bosh only scoring 15ppg and 14ppg respectively is on lebron and nothing to do with their decline or health.

The spurs were ancient, but the heat weren't. Even though three of the their core rotation were 35-38 and retired at the conclusion of the series. Even though Wade was 32 and manifestly playing like ass.

Double standards much?

Lebron is a terrible off-ball player, so the Spurs constantly forced the ball out of his hands and made him sit at the 3PT line while forcing the Heat's offense to play 4 on 5.. he cherry-picked open 3s and layups/dunks when they were up 15+ points but wasn't nearly as effective when the game was close.

He scored one point in the last 5 minutes of Game 2 that they won (missed one of the FTs to ice the game), he had like 3 shots in Game 1 before cramping up and they blew a 7-pt 4th quarter lead, he had 3 straight TOs in Game 3 only down 10 early in the 4th.

He was only effective down 15+ points as I posted earlier, his scoring per minute was almost cut in half when the game was still within reach.

So yes, he got a bunch of garbage time points, 51 of his 141 points were scored down 15+ points.

[aj1987]

Lebron is a terrible off-ball player, so the Spurs constantly forced the ball out of his hands and made him sit at the 3PT line while forcing the Heat's offense to play 4 on 5.. he cherry-picked open 3s and layups/dunks when they were up 15+ points but wasn't nearly as effective when the game was close.

He scored one point in the last 5 minutes of Game 2 that they won (missed one of the FTs to ice the game), he had like 3 shots in Game 1 before cramping up and they blew a 7-pt 4th quarter lead, he had 3 straight TOs in Game 3 only down 10 early in the 4th.

He was only effective down 15+ points as I posted earlier, his scoring per minute was almost cut in half when the game was still within reach.

So yes, he got a bunch of garbage time points, 51 of his 141 points were scored down 15+ points.
**** off. :roll: :roll:

You're one of the worst posters on here and that's saying a lot.

Try reading for once, since you're spewing the same horse shit every single post.

LeBron only played like 6 minutes a game in the 4th Q's and scored only ~3.5 points. Did his scoring in the first 3 Q's when the games were still within ~15 points. However, according to LOZERUS, if a player tries to score when a team in trailing by 15 with a quarter and a half of basketball, it's stat padding, because apparently the game is already a blowout.

For instance, in his insane and absolutely retarded rambling, he fails to acknowledge the FACT that LeBron brought the Heat back to within 13 with like 8 minutes to go in the 3rd. That's when others started missing and the Spurs went on a 7-0 run.

Game 1 - LeBron single handedly kept the Heat in the game and the minute he goes out, Miami gets blown out. 2 point game with LeBron on the court. The moment he sits, the Spurs go on a 16-3 run in a span of about four minutes. As I said, without LeBron the Heat got torched by the Spurs.

Game 2 - LeBron plays an incredible game and CB comes through in the Clutch with the late 3. Miami barely win though. Even though Bosh came through in the clutch, dude was terrible (as was Wade) and let Duncan destroy him.

Game 3 - LeBron was terrible in the 4th without question. No excuses. Unlike you, I can admit when a player is terrible, you braindead retard.

Game 5 - So, according to you, LeBron was stat padding when he was trying to score midway through the 3rd with the Heat down 15, but he should

[ImKobe]

**** off. :roll: :roll:

You're one of the worst posters on here and that's saying a lot.

Try reading for once, since you're spewing the same horse shit every single post.

LeBron only played like 6 minutes a game in the 4th Q's and scored only ~3.5 points. Did his scoring in the first 3 Q's when the games were still within ~15 points. However, according to LOZERUS, if a player tries to score when a team in trailing by 15 with a quarter and a half of basketball, it's stat padding, because apparently the game is already a blowout.


I appreciate the long novel, but it took me a couple lines to see through your bullshit

1)He averaged 3.6 ppg in 7 mpg in the 4th, that's ~0.5 points per minute and 3 out of the 5 4th quarters were all winnable for Miami

2)Lebron went on his 19-point 3rd quarter scoring run in Game 4 when the Heat were already down 36 - 57 (21 points), he scored ZERO points when they were down less than 15 points in the second half. ZERO. In fact, he only scored 5 early 1st quarter points and didn't score again until they were already down 18+ points in the 2nd quarter.

I don't need to go any further to prove how much of a biased Lebron fanatic you are, the first paragraph was all I needed. Have a nice day.

[LAmbruh]

ImKobe getting smacked around by AJ per usual :lol:applause:

[aj1987]

I appreciate the long novel, but it took me a couple lines to see through your bullshit

[Quote=Imkobe]1)He averaged 3.5 ppg in ~7 mpg in the 4th, that's 0.5 points per minute and 3 out of the 5 4th quarters were all winnable for Miami
Of those two, Miami won a game and LeBron sat in one, in which the Heat got blown the **** out.

Try watching a minute of basketball instead of going through BB-REF.


2)Lebron went on his 19-point 3rd quarter scoring run in Game 4 when the Heat were already down 36 - 57 (21 points), he scored ZERO points when they were down less than 15 points in the second half. ZERO.

Read my post above, you dense idiot.



I don't need to go any further to prove how much of a biased Lebron fanatic you are, the first paragraph was all I needed. Have a nice day.
As I keep saying, you've never watched a minute of basketball in your entire life and it's painfully obviously. Especially considering the fact that you said LeBron might not be top 10 in his era. Shows how big of a retard you are.

[The Iron Fist]

Stating facts =/= being mad, Brick stan.

I think I've said this at least a dozen times. You Brick turds absolutely despise FACTS.


:oldlol:

Brick turds are convincing themselves that FACTS are fiction now.


Read my previous post, you inbred swamp dweller (if you can).
You mean facts like lebron losing more finals than anyone since the 60s/70s? Those Facts?:cheers:

[3ball]

**** off.

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:roll:



I appreciate the long novel, but it took me a couple lines to see through your bullshit

1)He averaged 3.6 ppg in 7 mpg in the 4th, that's ~0.5 points per minute and 3 out of the 5 4th quarters were all winnable for Miami

2)Lebron went on his 19-point 3rd quarter scoring run in Game 4 when the Heat were already down 36 - 57 (21 points), he scored ZERO points when they were down less than 15 points in the second half. ZERO. In fact, he only scored 5 early 1st quarter points and didn't score again until they were already down 18+ points in the 2nd quarter.

I don't need to go any further to prove how much of a biased Lebron fanatic you are, the first paragraph was all I needed. Have a nice day.
ImKobe giving aj the Ruben Patterson beatdown

[SpaceJam2]

ImKobe getting smacked around by AJ per usual :lol:applause:

Regularly scheduled programming on this board :lol

[Manny98]

ImKobe getting smacked around by AJ per usual :lol:applause:
:roll:

[SpaceJam2]

ImKobe getting smacked around by AJ per usual :lol:applause:

:roll:

[aj1987]

You mean facts like lebron losing more finals than anyone since the 60s/70s? Those Facts?:cheers:
Nah, I mean like Brick missing the most shots in the history of the NBA, while being not even close to a top scoring player. :cheers:

Oh, and also the fact that Brick averaged 38% over 4 straight Finals.

Those facts are gold, kid. :cheers: