MJ's 4th option in 86 scored 17ppg (stacked)

[Vino24]

why did MJ come up short with 3 other 20ppg scorers?

[3ball]

The bulls were 21-32 without MJ in 1986

9-9 with him

FYI - he played the goat celtics closer with his 21-32 cast than lebron played the old 14' Spurs with his defending champion cast

[Vino24]

The bulls were 21-32 without MJ in 1986

9-9 with him

FYI - he played the goat celtics closer with his 21-32 cast than lebron played the old 14' Spurs with his defending champion cast
Celtics were stacked and Bulls were stacked. Sounds pretty even to me :confusedshrug:

[TheCorporation]

Yikes

Why did MJ go 0 for 6 against Bird?

$tacked

[Vino24]

Yikes

Why did MJ go 0 for 6 against Bird?

$tacked
Because Bird wasn

[Bawkish]

OP is the 4th option in his own house, consisting of both parents & a dog

[TheCorporation]

[QUOTE=Vino24]Because Bird wasn

[Vino24]

And there it is :applause:
It

[egokiller]

It’s crazy, when MJ faced a player on his level (Bird) he got destroyed :eek:

It’s crazy how when Lefail faced a player not on his level he got destroyed and took Lefail’s FMVP.

[Sarcastic]

Are you including Quintin Dailey, who scored 16 ppg, but only played about 30 games because he was a coke head and had to go to rehab?


https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-02-06-sp-4855-story.html

[Vino24]

Are you including Quintin Dailey, who scored 16 ppg, but only played about 30 games because he was a coke head and had to go to rehab?


https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-02-06-sp-4855-story.html
16ppg 5th option :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[Sarcastic]

16ppg 5th option :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:


:biggums:


Woodridge, Gervin, and Dailey were the only ones to score over 15. Only 2 players scored >16.3, Jordan and Woodridge. Your maths is way off.

[Vino24]

:biggums:


Woodridge, Gervin, and Dailey were the only ones to score over 15. Only 2 players scored >16.3, Jordan and Woodridge. Your maths is way off.
I'm using 3ball math

[riseagainst]

Holy, what a stacked team.

How come he couldn't even win 1 game in the playoffs with a 4th option averaging 17ppg?

:confusedshrug:

[HylianNightmare]

L39ron

[3ball]

Reference Purposes


Playoff shots in last 5 minutes, within 5 points, since 2001


134-323 for Lebron.. 41.4%
108 games.. 3.0 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&player_id=jamesle01&order_by=date_game



71-171 for Durant.. 41.5%
56 games.. 3.1 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&player_id=duranke01&year_id=&is_playoffs=Y&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q1=&q2=&q3=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&is_tying=&is_go_ahead=&c1stat=&c1comp=&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=&c3val=&order_by=date_game&order_by_asc=&offset=0



91-238 for Kobe.. 38.2%
72 games.. 3.3 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&player_id=bryanko01&order_by=date_game

Kobe 2000 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 10-17.. 58.8% (6 games)
Kobe 1999 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1998-99&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 2-6.. 33.0% (4 games)
Kobe 1998 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 2-2.. 100.0% (4 games)
Kobe 1997 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 2-7.. 28.6% (2 games)


106-270 for Kobe overall.. 39.2%
88 games.. 3.1 attempts per game



Jordan 1997 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 20-39.. 51.3% (11 games)
Jordan 1998 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 22-50.. 44.0% (14 games)

42-89 for MJ.. 47.2%
25 games.. 3.6 attempts per game..



So old MJ shot much better in tight games on 20% more clutch attempts.. :bowdown:

[SpaceJam2]

Holy, what a stacked team.

How come he couldn't even win 1 game in the playoffs with a 4th option averaging 17ppg?

:confusedshrug:

Choked under pressure

[Artillery]

[QUOTE=Vino24]It

[The Iron Fist]

I'm using 3ball math
So what kind of math says a 6 time finals loser is the goat?:cheers:

[The Iron Fist]

It's pathetic that MJ had to wait until the Bird Celtics, Isiah Pistons, and Magic Lakers got old and decrepit before he could beat them. Guy was a scavenger that dominated the weakest era in NBA history. The 90s were a wasteland of talent after the golden age of 80s super teams retired.
Lebron didn’t have to wait for anyone to get old to beat him. They already were old.:cheers:

Winning>>>losing

[SpaceJam2]

So what kind of math says a 6 time finals loser is the goat?:cheers:

Degree
Of
Difficulty


What was the best chip MJ won?

[Manny98]

So what kind of math says a 6 time finals loser is the goat?:cheers:
Your boy got outplayed by Austin Crosher and has the most missed shots in NBA history :roll:

BrickBe has 0 GOAT argument

[SpaceJam2]

Your boy got outplayed by Austin Crosher and has the most missed shots in NBA history :roll:

BrickBe has 0 GOAT argument

Incoming...

Manny bomb


Ka

Boom

:dancin

[RealSkipBayless]

Are you including Quintin Dailey, who scored 16 ppg, but only played about 30 games because he was a coke head and had to go to rehab?


https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-02-06-sp-4855-story.html
:eek: :biggums:

[Vino24]

:eek: :biggums:
:eek: :eek:

[SpaceJam2]

Holy, what a stacked team.

How come he couldn't even win 1 game in the playoffs with a 4th option averaging 17ppg?

:confusedshrug:


Because he does not play defense. He needs an anchor to win.

[Manny98]

Imagine George Gervin as your 3rd option :eek:

Those 86 Bulls were absolutely loaded, Woolridge,Gervin and Charles Oakley, damm

[SpaceJam2]

Imagine George Gervin as your 3rd option :eek:

Those 86 Bulls were absolutely loaded, Woolridge,Gervin and Charles Oakley, damm

Damn. It really is true..


No Pip
No chip

[ImKobe]

Reference Purposes


Playoff shots in last 5 minutes, within 5 points, since 2001


134-323 for Lebron.. 41.4%
108 games.. 3.0 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&player_id=jamesle01&order_by=date_game



71-171 for Durant.. 41.5%
56 games.. 3.1 attempts per game




Jordan 1997 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 20-39.. 51.3% (11 games)
Jordan 1998 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 22-50.. 44.0% (14 games)

42-89 for MJ.. 47.2%
25 games.. 3.6 attempts per game..



So old MJ shot much better in tight games on 20% more clutch attempts.. :bowdown:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/5a2fb58a713d9082ec644cd7a033c5da/tenor.gif

[ArbitraryWater]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/5a2fb58a713d9082ec644cd7a033c5da/tenor.gif

Man erased Kobe from the quote :roll: :roll:

[SpaceJam]

Man erased Kobe from the quote :roll: :roll:

The insecurity :roll:

[ImKobe]

Reference Purposes


Playoff shots in last 5 minutes, within 5 points, since 2001


134-323 for Lebron.. 41.4%
108 games.. 3.0 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&player_id=jamesle01&order_by=date_game



71-171 for Durant.. 41.5%
56 games.. 3.1 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&player_id=duranke01&year_id=&is_playoffs=Y&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q1=&q2=&q3=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&is_tying=&is_go_ahead=&c1stat=&c1comp=&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=&c3val=&order_by=date_game&order_by_asc=&offset=0





Jordan 1997 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 20-39.. 51.3% (11 games)
Jordan 1998 Playoffs (https://stats.nba.com/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PerMode=Totals):. 22-50.. 44.0% (14 games)

42-89 for MJ.. 47.2%
25 games.. 3.6 attempts per game..



So old MJ shot much better in tight games on 20% more clutch attempts.. :bowdown:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/5a2fb58a713d9082ec644cd7a033c5da/tenor.gif

[SpaceJam2]

https://i.postimg.cc/YCnfrGxQ/Tri-PODPhonto.jpg

[AirBonner]

https://i.postimg.cc/YCnfrGxQ/Tri-PODPhonto.jpg
:lol :lol :lol

[LostCause]

Imagine George Gervin as your 3rd option :eek:

Those 86 Bulls were absolutely loaded, Woolridge,Gervin and Charles Oakley, damm

LeBron had Shaq, a Top 10 GOAT, and didn’t even make the Finals

Sheesh

Imagine if Jordan had Shaq...

[Manny98]

[QUOTE=LostCause]LeBron had Shaq, a Top 10 GOAT, and didn

[Manny98]

Woolridge & Gervin averaged a combined 46ppg per 36 in 1986

To put that into perspective Bosh & Wade only combined for 43ppg per 36 in 2011

So MJ had more offensive help in 86 than LeBron had his entire career :oldlol:

[LostCause]

Shaq was a 38 year old corpse on his last legs with LeBron

Gervin was still in his early 30s and just came off a superstar season in which he averaged 26ppg per 36

Big difference

Shaq literally came off an All-Star season in the WEST the year before he joined LeBron on 21/10/2blks per 36 :lol

Gervin literally retired that offseason. He was done. That's not HIS last legs though right? :roll:

Though since you bring up Gervin how much did he actually play with MJ? :oldlol:

[Manny98]

Shaq literally came off an All-Star season in the WEST the year before he joined LeBron on 21/10/2blks per 36 :lol

Gervin literally retired that offseason. He was done. That's not HIS last legs though right? :roll:

Though since you bring up Gervin how much did he actually play with MJ? :oldlol:
Gervin season before MJ 26ppg superstar :eek:

Only 32 years old still in his prime

[LostCause]

Gervin season before MJ 26ppg superstar :eek:

Only 32 years old still in his prime


Shaq literally came off an All-Star season in the WEST the year before he joined LeBron on 21/10/2blks per 36

Gervin literally retired that offseason. He was done. That's not HIS last legs though right?

Though since you bring up Gervin how much did he actually play with MJ?

:applause:

[Manny98]

Woolridge & Gervin averaged a combined 46ppg per 36 in 1986

To put that into perspective Bosh & Wade only combined for 43ppg per 36 in 2011

So MJ had more offensive help in 86 than LeBron had his entire career :oldlol:
:applause:

[superduper]

OP is the 4th option in his own house, consisting of both parents & a dog

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[PP34Deuce]

woodridge was a good player. he knew how to score and was athletic.

Feel like he and Jordan could have been a fun looking duo but def not to the level of what Scottie Pippen offered intangible wise.

[FKAri]

Man erased Kobe from the quote :roll: :roll:
That's pretty damning. :oldlol:

[72-10]

Woolridge - provided no defense
Gervin - washed up and provided no defense
Oakley - merely cleaned up around the rim

[PP34Deuce]

Woolridge - provided no defense
Gervin - washed up and provided no defense
Oakley - merely cleaned up around the rim

Woolridge was super athletic and a scorer.
Gervin was on last legs but still a smooth scorer...

Jordan had talented teammates in 80s he just didnt fit with them.. especially Orlando. Drugs really messed him up

[SpaceJam2]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/5a2fb58a713d9082ec644cd7a033c5da/tenor.gif


Why'd you erase Kobe from the quote? :lol

[ImKobe]

Woolridge was super athletic and a scorer.
Gervin was on last legs but still a smooth scorer...

Jordan had talented teammates in 80s he just didnt fit with them.. especially Orlando. Drugs really messed him up

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm That team went 21 - 43 without him that season.. it had nothing to do with him not fitting them because they had a top 10 offense for the season but they were dead last on defense. George Gervin was finished come Playoff time against Boston and Woolridge was ineffective in that series as well, you can't tell me that MJ had to do more than break the Playoff record in points just to have a close game..

Those guys were overrated GARBAGE. They could have won in the first round had the Bulls FO not kept MJ out for so long and actually had a better record. Jordan had to sneak past his FO and train in private because they wanted to shut him down for the season, Jordan wasn't having it.

[Manny98]

Woolridge is easily one of the most talented scorers I have ever seen

6''9, athletic and can pull up from anywhere

Picture Kevin Durant in the 80s and you get Orlando Woolridge :bowdown:

[Koresh]

MJ barely played in 1986. Another what if year if he didn't get injured.

[72-10]

Woolridge was super athletic and a scorer.
Gervin was on last legs but still a smooth scorer...

Jordan had talented teammates in 80s he just didnt fit with them.. especially Orlando. Drugs really messed him up

Mitchell Wiggins and Quintin Dailey, too.