Draymond in Game 3: 17/7/4 on 43%... Pippen 96-98' Playoffs 17/7/5 on 41%

[3ball]

So Curry had enough help, but as usual, he gets babied by media/fans

He would've won last night if he was a viable defender and if he didn't have 0 FG's in the last 8 minutes.. :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

Why did MJ turn Bill Cartwright into a scrub?

[3ball]

Why did MJ turn Bill Cartwright into a scrub?
1st post = pannicky, desperate deflection

#winning

[bigkingsfan]

Jordan didn't have a single playoff game scoring 47+ from 96-98

[RRR3]

1st post = pannicky, desperate deflection

#winning
You have no rebuttal :roll:

[Manny98]

Except the Raptors are better than any team MJ has ever faced

Kawhi > Malone
Siakam > Hornecek
Gasol > Ostergag
Ibaka > Keef

Curry doesn't have the luxury of averaging 4 rebounds and 2 assists and still coming out with the win like MJ

[3ball]

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Jordan didn't have a single playoff game scoring 47+ from 96-98


MJ had a 55-pt game where he did things Curry can only dream of (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b21tJdLHQ6k)... Also,


Pace



Game 3:. 99.6

96' Finals:. 83.5
97' Finals:. 84.0
98' Finals:. 82.0


Yet MJ had 45 in the legendary Game 6

Btw, only MJ/Kobe averaged over 30 in a below-90 pace Finals
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[RRR3]

MJ would have needed 50 shots to score 47 against the Raptors defense.

[3ball]

Except the Raptors are better than any team MJ has ever faced

Kawhi > Malone
Siakam > Hornecek
Gasol > Ostergag
Ibaka > Keef

Curry doesn't have the luxury of averaging 4 rebounds and 2 assists and still coming out with the win like MJ


The Raps are a 1-superstar team

The 96' Sonics and 98' Jazz were 2-superstar teams that would destroy the Raptors, just like they did Hakeem's b2b champs in 96' (sonics beat them), or Shaq/Duncan teams in 98' (jazz beat them)

The 98' Pacers and possibly the Shaq/Penny Magic in 1996 also destroy the Raps

MJ's comp was insane

[3ball]

RRR3 you wrong brah

[NBAGOAT]

The Raps are a 1-superstar team

The 96' Sonics and 98' Jazz were 2-superstar teams that would destroy the Raptors, just like they did Hakeem's b2b champs in 96' (sonics beat them), or Shaq/Duncan teams in 98' (jazz beat them)

The 98' Pacers and possibly the Shaq/Penny Magic in 1996 also destroy the Raps

MJ's comp was insane

:wtf: come on now. also on your other post what an arbitrary cut off with the 90 pace stuff lol. Just do pts per 100 like normal. Scoring like 35 at a 91 pace is more impressive than scoring 30 at a 89 pace but your cutoff ignores that. Also stop lying, shaq is a glaring omission, he belongs for 01. I wonder why you forgot him...

[Manny98]

Stockton didn't even make the all star team in 98 "superstar doe" :roll:

Kawhi > any first option of any of MJs finals opponents
Siakam > Hornecek
Gasol > Ostergag
Ibaka > Keef

[3ball]

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shaq is a glaring omission, he belongs for 01. I wonder why you forgot him..

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I left off 01' Shaq because pace was 89.8, which rounds up to 90





:wtf: come on now. also on your other post what an arbitrary cut off with the 90 pace stuff lol. Just do pts per 100 like normal. Scoring like 35 at a 91 pace is more impressive than scoring 30 at a 89 pace but your cutoff ignores that.


MJ didn't score 30 at 89 pace - that's too weak for mj

He scored 33 at 83 pace in 97'... 34 at 82 pace in 98'... 41 at 90 pace in 1993.... 36 at 92 pace in 1992... :eek:

no one is close to scoring this much at such a slow pace

[RRR3]

I left off 01' Shaq because pace was 89.8, which rounds up to 90



MJ didn't score 30 at 89 pace - that's too weak for mj

He scored 33 at 83 pace in 97'... 34 at 82 pace in 98'... 41 at 90 pace in 1993.... 36 at 92 pace in 1992... :eek:

no one is close to scoring this much at such a slow pace
Harden scored more points per 100 possessions this year than MJ ever did.

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

MJ would have needed 50 shots to score 47 against the Raptors defense

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You sure about that bud?


1998 Game 6:. 76.3 pace.. 45 points.. 35 shots
2019 Game 3:. 99.6 pace.. 47 points.. 31 shots


:biggums:..

Curry sucks compared to the GOAT..

[warriorfan]

:rolleyes:

That was madonnas reaction after she saw MJ

[SouBeachTalents]

You sure about that bud?


1998 Game 6:. 76.3 pace.. 45 points.. 35 shots
2019 Game 3:. 99.6 pace.. 47 points.. 31 shots


:biggums:..

Curry sucks compared to the GOAT..
I see he scored more points, on less shots, against a better team

[Vino24]

I see he scored more points, on less shots, against a better team
3ball really doing himself in :lol :lol

[G0ATbe]

If mj would average 50ppg today as you old heads like to put it. Wouldnt pippens 17ppg=30-35ppg compared to draymond?:eek:

[tpols]

bulls defense is much better especially with warriors having injuries to looney and klay, both much better defenders than their replacements.

Warriors are scoring more than the late 90s bulls, their defense has just been ass due to injury.

jordan cant do shit to turn cousins into rodman.

[RRR3]

If mj would average 50ppg today as you old heads like to put it. Wouldnt pippens 17ppg=30-35ppg compared to draymond?:eek:
Pippen usually averaged around 19-23 (rounding) in his best years.

[StrongLurk]

I don't understand OP's thread. He is claiming that Draymond in game 3 equals Pippen in all finals games 96-98...but then is saying the pace is faster now so Curry's numbers are inflated...

But wouldn't this mean Draymond's are inflated as well...and Pippen's numbers ARE more impressive?

OP is using two different arguments here...

[3ball]

I don't understand OP's thread. He is claiming that Draymond in game 3 equals Pippen in all finals games 96-98...but then is saying the pace is faster now so Curry's numbers are inflated...

But wouldn't this mean Draymond's are inflated as well...and Pippen's numbers ARE more impressive?

OP is using two different arguments here...
MJ matches Curry's stats without the pace adjustment - he had 55 point playoff games and 45 in the Finals closeout game

Regarding Pippen, pace adjustments don't matter because Pippen's 98' Finals stats (15 on 41%) were worse than Draymond's game 3 (17 on 43%), and become equal with the 15% pace adjustment

MJ won with draymond's stats - that's the point - and he did so because he was a great defender and never went FG-less for the last 8 minutes like Curry did

[StrongLurk]

MJ matches Curry's stats without the pace adjustment - he had 55 point playoff games and 45 in the Finals closeout game

Regarding Pippen, pace adjustments don't matter because Pippen's 98' Finals stats (15 on 41%) were worse than Draymond's game 3 (17 on 43%, and become equal with the pace adjustment

MJ won with draymond's stats - that's the point - and he did so because he was a great defender and never went FG-less for the last 8 minutes like Curry did


So now you are changing it to 98 Pippen...and leaving out 96/97 Pippen? Sounds like more moving of the goal posts.

Also can you show Per 100 possessions stats along with efficiency for 96-98 MJ in the finals to Curry through these first 3 games?

[3ball]

I see he scored more points, on less shots, against a better team
No, his burden was nothing compared to MJ's

45 points at 76 pace is a ridiculous burden compared to 47 at 100 pace .. :facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Curry would've won had he gotten help.

Pippen? At least he provided defense. Last night Toronto shot, what, 50% from the field? And ~40% from the 3.

No more trolling, 2ball.

[3ball]

So now you are changing it to 98 Pippen...and leaving out 96/97 Pippen? Sounds like more moving of the goal posts.

Also can you show Per 100 possessions stats along with efficiency for 96-98 MJ in the finals to Curry through these first 3 games?
You want to include 96' Pippen?

Changes nothing (15 on 34%).. makes it worse actually

And we don't have per 100 stats for the Finals... but MJ averaged 34 with a 82 pace, compared to curry's 35 at 100 pace so far.... Again, mj's burden was much greater (and therefore defensive attention)

Ultimately, MJ carried those bulls to victory because he played great D and scored most of his points in the 4th, whereas curry is a bad defender and doesn't make shots in the last 8 minutes,vso he can't carry them

[StrongLurk]

You want to include 96' Pippen?

Changes nothing (15 on 34%).. makes it worse actually

And we don't have per 100 stats for the Finals... but MJ averaged 34 with a 82 pace, compared to curry's 35 at 100 pace so far.... Again, mj's burden was much greater (and therefore defensive attention)

Ultimately, MJ carried those bulls to victory because he played great D and scored most of his points in the 4th, whereas curry is a bad defender and doesn't make shots in the last 8 minutes,vso he can't carry them

Trolling players only legitimizes them more...and lessens the points you are trying to make.

Be better.

[3ball]

Curry would've won had he gotten help.

Pippen? At least he provided defense. Last night Toronto shot, what, 50% from the field? And ~40% from the 3.

No more trolling, 2ball.
Draymond's defense equals pippen's, which is why this is such a great comparison

Draymond's offense is equal or better than 2nd three-peat Pippen, while his defense was better than 2nd three-peat Pip

But MJ won while curry loses because MJ was a great defender and didn't go FG-less in the last 8 minutes

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Draymond's defense equals pippen's, which is why this is such a great comparison

Draymond's offense is equal or better than 2nd three-peat Pippen, while his defense was actually better than 2nd three-peat Pip

Draymond was poor on defense yesterday.

So the comparison is bad from jump.

[3ball]

Trolling players only legitimizes them more...and lessens the points you are trying to make.

Be better.
A dumb deflection because you can't respond

[3ball]

Draymond was poor on defense yesterday.

So the comparison is bad from jump.
Pippen was never bad defensively?

He was bad too and could barely walk in games 5 and 6 of 98' finals..

You curry homers are something else.. :facepalm

[stalkerforlife]

Harden scored more points per 100 possessions this year than MJ ever did.

In a league that doesn't allow defense.

You exposed yourself as a mindless troll.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Pippen was never bad defensively?

He was bad too and could barely walk in games 5 and 6 of 98' finals..

You curry homers are something else.. :facepalm

Your OP is comparing ONE game to a 3-year run from Pippen.

Draymond was bad on defense yesterday. Pippen was great on that end overall.

Not my fault your topic is weak.

[3ball]

Your OP is comparing ONE game to a 3-year run from Pippen. Draymond was bad on defense yesterday.

Now I'm doing the same thing...and you're upset. Not my fault your topic is lacking.
I gave you guys a break by using Pippen's entire three-peat stats

I could've just used Game 6, where he had 6 points and couldn't run up and down the court

So no, the point remains.. MJ won despite less help than curry has because he played great D and never went FG-less in the last 8 minutes

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I gave you guys a break by using Pippen's entire three-peat stats

I could've just used Game 6, where he had 6 points and couldn't run up and down the court

So no, the point remains

But you didn't. So overall, 96-98 Pippen was a great on defense

Yesterday? Draymond was....not.

You're out here playing checkers when this is chess.

[StrongLurk]

A dumb deflection because you can't respond

I already responded to you and called you out on being a retard who is just moving the goal posts to fit whatever argument you want to make.

And you couldn't pull up the stats I asked for to make a better comparison for your "OP" so there is nothing more to say besides you trying to troll Curry's game 3 which was a phenomenal game by him.

The more threads you make about Curry, the more you legitimize him.

You are often your own worst enemy posting and it's hilarious to watch :lol

How old are you by the way? 45-50 right?

[3ball]

The "breakdown" is that Pippen was a great on defense. Overall.

Yesterday? Draymond was....not.

You're out here playing checkers when this is chess.
Pippen played horrible D in Game 6 and much worse O than Dray (6 pts)

So no, the point remains - MJ won despite less help than curry currently has because he played great D and never went FG-less in the last 8 minutes

Curry is simply a no-D, choker - how else do you describe bad defense, no FG in last 8 minutes, and a wandering wife?.. :kobe:

[StrongLurk]

Pippen played horrible D in Game 6 and much worse O than Dray (6 pts)

So no, the point remains - MJ won despite less help than curry currently has because he played great D and never went FG-less in the last 8 minutes

Curry is simply a no-D, choker - how else do you describe bad defense, no FG in last 8 minutes, and a wandering wife?.. :kobe:

Keep trolling buddy, you are just creating more Curry fans and less MJ fans :roll:

Also really how old are you? You never answer when I ask.

[3ball]

Keep trolling buddy, you are just creating more Curry fans and less MJ fans :roll:
1) Curry is a bad defender - fact

2) Curry had no FG in the last 8 minutes (choked) - fact


So Curry lost with more help than MJ had because he's a no-D choker

(Pippen had 6 pts in game 6 and could barely run.. Dray had 17 pts and is healthy)

[StrongLurk]

1) Curry is a bad defender - fact

2) Curry had no FG in the last 8 minutes (choked) - fact


So Curry lost with more help than MJ had because he's a no-D choker

(Pippen had 6 pts in game 6 and could barely run)

We get it buddy, you are a massive troll.

You keep deflecting from telling us your age. Why?

[SpaceJam2]

]

MJ had a 55-pt game where he did things Curry can only dream of (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b21tJdLHQ6k)... Also,


Pace



Game 3:. 99.6

96' Finals:. 83.5
97' Finals:. 84.0
98' Finals:. 82.0


Yet MJ had 45 in the legendary Game 6

Btw, only MJ/Kobe averaged over 30 in a below-90 pace Finals
.

Pace does not matter. He slowed the game down to conserve energy.


NEXT

[SpaceJam2]

We get it buddy, you are a massive troll.

You keep deflecting from telling us your age. Why?

He is 45 and balls on his neighbors at his local middle school bball hoop

[3ball]

We get it buddy, you are a massive troll.

You keep deflecting from telling us your age. Why?
I can still dunk. So not 45-50

And you've resorted to acting - act like I'm trolling because the facts are on my side - you keep saying I'm trolling but won't specify what part is a troll (because it's all fact)

Nonetheless, Dray had 17 pts and is healthy, while Pippen had 6 points in game 6 and couldn't walk.. yet MJ won with less help because he never went without a FG in the last 8 minutes and played great defense

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Pippen played horrible D in Game 6 and much worse O than Dray (6 pts)

So no, the point remains - MJ won despite less help than curry currently has because he played great D and never went FG-less in the last 8 minutes

Curry is simply a no-D, choker - how else do you describe bad defense, no FG in last 8 minutes, and a wandering wife?.. :kobe:

You went from 96-98 to a single game...straying away from your original topic.

Checkmate.

[StrongLurk]

I can still dunk. So not 45-50

And you've resorted to acting - act like I'm trolling because the facts are on my side - you keep saying I'm trolling but won't specify what part is a troll (because it's all fact)

Nonetheless, Dray had 17 pts and is healthy, while Pippen had 6 points in game 6 and couldn't walk.. yet MJ won with less help because he never went without a FG in the last 8 minutes and played great defense

If you think you aren't trolling then you must be autistic. I didn't resort to anything, you couldn't pull up the stats I asked for and are trolling so there is nothing to talk about.

In fact, if you WERE 45 then that means you were born in 1974...and would have been 10 years old when MJ was a rookie...

So lets say you are 38 years old...so you were 3 when MJ was a rookie...and 16 when MJ retired in 98.

So yeah, you definitely weren't old enough to watch MJ play and have an advanced grasp of what was going on :roll:

[StrongLurk]

You went from 96-98 to a single game...straying away from your original topic.

Checkmate.

He's a massive troll or autistic...definitely a loser in either case.

[3ball]

If you think you aren't trolling then you must be autistic. I didn't resort to anything, you couldn't pull up the stats I asked for and are trolling so there is nothing to talk about.


You missed my post where I gave you the stats - MJ scored 34 on 82 possessions, while Curry is scoring 35 on 100 in this series

The actual per 100 stats don't exist for the Finals, but if you can't get the info you need from the numbers above, then go back to school... Seriously.. you won't make it in life if you can't understand those numbers

The numbers clearly show that MJ scored FAR more per possession than Curry is





In fact, if you WERE 45 then that means you were born in 1974...and would have been 10 years old when MJ was a rookie...


Im several years older than 38

I started watching the NBA in 87' when Isiah made that errant pass... I actually hated MJ and the Bulls and reveled when the Pistons would trounce them as I listened to every game on WMAQ 67, yeah baby!!!... I lived in Deerfield, IL, and went to Bannockburn Middle School with Phil Jackson's kids when he was still assistant coach.. Brooke was in my class and was hot like fire

I still remember his twin sons basically disrespecting me on the basketball court because I wasn't very good yet.. showed a lot of attitude and rolling their eyes and stuff.. I remember them being good and advanced for their age but I never heard anything about them when they got older





If you think you aren't trolling then you must be autistic


You refuse to say what part is a troll, so we have nothing more to discuss
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[Cleverness]

Tomorrow is the 10-year anniversary of Rashard Lewis' G3

Rashard Lewis put up 34/11/7 on 57%

Which is why people will claim Rashard Lewis > Pippen

Now... most analysts have Jordan as GOAT, but this may be clear proof that Pippen's era was weak. Your move, OP

[3ball]

You went from 96-98 to a single game...straying away from your original topic.

Checkmate.
No, I simply included his series stats and single game stats, in addition to his overall playoff stats

They're all comparable or worse than Dray's, and therefore support the argument that MJ won with less help

And we'd expect a great defender that never went without a FG in the last 8 minutes, to win more than a bad defender that got locked up in the last 8 minutes

[3ball]

Tomorrow is the 10-year anniversary of Rashard Lewis' G3

Rashard Lewis put up 34/11/7 on 57%

Which is why people will claim Rashard Lewis > Pippen

Now... most analysts have Jordan as GOAT, but this may be clear proof that Pippen's era was weak. Your move, OP
This thread isn't comparing who is better

It's just pointing out the obvious - Dray's stats in the last game are similar to 2nd three-peat Pippen, yet curry couldn't win like MJ because he's a bad defender that got locked up in the last 8 minutes

It's not rocket science, but you guys are treating it like it is

[Smoke117]

OP is legitimately mentally ill. You have to be to obsessively adore someone that you can't ever stop trying to tear down everyone else to raise him up. You have a sickness, mate.

[3ball]

OP is legitimately mentally ill. You have to be to obsessively adore someone that you can't ever stop trying to tear down everyone else to raise him up. You have a sickness, mate.
I'm not tearing Curry down (although it's a massive compliment that you view my posts this way)

I'm just stating facts that happen to support MJ

Dray's stats in the last game are similar to 2nd three-peat Pippen, yet curry couldn't win like MJ because he's a bad defender that got locked up in the last 8 minutes

That's tearing Curry down? I thought it was just stating the obvious.. the historical record

[SouBeachTalents]

I'm not tearing Curry down (although it's a massive compliment that you view my posts this way)

I'm just stating facts that happen to support MJ

Dray's stats in the last game are similar to 2nd three-peat Pippen, yet curry couldn't win like MJ because he's a bad defender that got locked up in the last 8 minutes

That's tearing Curry down? I thought it was just stating the obvious.. the historical record
Shut the fck up 3ball :oldlol: Reread your OP and try to actually claim you weren't trying to tear Curry down

[3ball]

Shut the fck up 3ball :oldlol: Reread your OP and try to actually claim you weren't trying to tear Curry down
Well "tearing down" is a little strong I think, but just pointing out facts on the other side, like Rob Parker

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BsJTine8GI4

[Uncle Drew]

We win again.

[NBAGOAT]

Pippens 17ppg translates to like 20ppg today with pace adjustment. Simplest counter argument

[warriorfan]

Pippens 17ppg translates to like 20ppg today with pace adjustment. Simplest counter argument

When agendas collide....

[3ball]

Pippens 17ppg translates to like 20ppg today with pace adjustment. Simplest counter argument
That's just a couple points, offset by Pippen's worse efficiency

And we can compare more apples to apples by comparing Dray's game to Finals games or series by Pippen, where MJ still won with Pip's worse stats than dray