Is Kawhi better than Jordan?

[Lakessss]

Better defender, about to gentleman sweep the dynastic Warriors with no Pippen, something Jordan had no idea how to accomplish when facing great teams and not a lineup of mechanics and Janitors.
About to have 2 rings, 2 FMVP And is doing it in a much more advanced era. Going against the best shooter of all time, a defensive player of the year, finals mvp in Iggy, lockdown 3 and D Klay. Etc etc etc.

Never seen Jordan beat anyone close to this team.

It

[sdot_thadon]

[QUOTE=Lakessss]Better defender, about to gentleman sweep the dynastic Warriors with no Pippen, something Jordan had no idea how to accomplish when facing great teams and not a lineup of mechanics and Janitors.
About to have 2 rings, 2 FMVP And is doing it in a much more advanced era. Going against the best shooter of all time, a defensive player of the year, finals mvp in Iggy, lockdown 3 and D Klay. Etc etc etc.

Never seen Jordan beat anyone close to this team.

It

[TheBranStan]

Absolutely. He's basically MJ with a 3pt shot.

[Vino24]

if MJ was on Kawhi's level he would have beaten the Pistons or Celtics in their prime.

[Soundwave]

This for the kids on this board who didn't get to see MJ in his prime ... Kwahi is basically a slower, less explosive, less creative version of Jordan.

And that's not meant to be a diss, it just goes to show prime Jordan would be far and away the best player in the league today if Kwahi is this good.

Kwahi is great, but he doesn't have the extra bit of explosive speed and less leaping ability that Jordan had at the same age.

Jordan was a better athlete and more creative offensively.

Kwahi is very similar in a lot of ways, just not quite there.

[Lakessss]

if MJ was on Kawhi's level he would have beaten the Pistons or Celtics in their prime.
Unfortunately for Jordan he isn

[SamuraiSWISH]

Better than Le3/9 but worse than Jordan

[bullettooth]

This for the kids on this board who didn't get to see MJ in his prime ... Kwahi is basically a slower, less explosive, less creative version of Jordan.

And that's not meant to be a diss, it just goes to show prime Jordan would be far and away the best player in the league today if Kwahi is this good.

Kwahi is great, but he doesn't have the extra bit of explosive speed that Jordan had.

Or as good of a jumpshot, especially the fadeaway. But it's not like Kawhi is so far off.

[Cold soul]

This for the kids on this board who didn't get to see MJ in his prime ... Kwahi is basically a slower, less explosive, less creative version of Jordan.

And that's not meant to be a diss, it just goes to show prime Jordan would be far and away the best player in the league today if Kwahi is this good.

Kwahi is great, but he doesn't have the extra bit of explosive speed that Jordan had.

This ^^. I

[Lakessss]

This for the kids on this board who didn't get to see MJ in his prime ... Kwahi is basically a slower, less explosive, less creative version of Jordan.

And that's not meant to be a diss, it just goes to show prime Jordan would be far and away the best player in the league today if Kwahi is this good.

Kwahi is great, but he doesn't have the extra bit of explosive speed that Jordan had.
Jordan doesn

[Wally450]

Yes lol

[Soundwave]

Jordan doesn’t have the 3 point shot Kawhi does. Jordan would be another Derozan and you see how that turned out for the Raptors

MJ would work on that, but Kwahi's shot is actually flatter than Jordan's. MJ had a better release, better arc, better rotation on his shot.

Jordan is a better shooter overall, Kwahi doesn't have as good of a fadeaway.

Basically if you take Kwahi, increase his speed, athletic explosion, and a better fadeaway shot ... then yeah he'd be neck and neck with Jordan, but as is he's kinda like a poor man's version.

Which is still as we can see an amazing player. Kwahi is amazing. It just goes to show though how amazing Jordan was.

But Kwahi plays a very similar game to Jordan, not quite as exciting or explosive, but similar. Closest I've seen probably.

[ClipperRevival]

This for the kids on this board who didn't get to see MJ in his prime ... Kwahi is basically a slower, less explosive, less creative version of Jordan.

And that's not meant to be a diss, it just goes to show prime Jordan would be far and away the best player in the league today if Kwahi is this good.

Kwahi is great, but he doesn't have the extra bit of explosive speed and less leaping ability that Jordan had at the same age.

Jordan was a better athlete and more creative offensively.

Kwahi is very similar in a lot of ways, just not quite there.

Kawhi is a stiff compared to MJ as an athlete and that's not a diss to Kawhi. It's just that MJ was probably the most fluid, coordinated bball player ever. No one had his body control.

Kawhi definitely has a lot of similarities for sure. Huge hands, GOAT tier D, and huge reliance on the mid-range game come playoff time.

But yeah, kids that never saw MJ play. :yaohappy:

[Jon Salley's 10]

He definitely longer in shower

[Bronbron23]

[QUOTE=Lakessss]Better defender, about to gentleman sweep the dynastic Warriors with no Pippen, something Jordan had no idea how to accomplish when facing great teams and not a lineup of mechanics and Janitors.
About to have 2 rings, 2 FMVP And is doing it in a much more advanced era. Going against the best shooter of all time, a defensive player of the year, finals mvp in Iggy, lockdown 3 and D Klay. Etc etc etc.

Never seen Jordan beat anyone close to this team.

It

[Soundwave]

Kawhi is a stiff compared to MJ as an athlete and that's not a diss to Kawhi. It's just that MJ was probably the most fluid, coordinated bball player ever. No one had his body control.

Kawhi definitely has a lot of similarities for sure. Huge hands, GOAT tier D, and huge reliance on the mid-range game come playoff time.

But yeah, kids that never saw MJ play. :yaohappy:

Yeah if you could take Kwahi and increase his athleticism and explosiveness and first step by a large notch ... it would be close. Which is a huge compliment to Kwahi.

But Jordan still is more creative offensively to boot, he did things with the basketball Kwahi would never dream of doing.

[Vino24]

He definitely longer in shower
High IQ post

[Lakessss]

MJ would work on that, but Kwahi's shot is actually flatter than Jordan's. MJ had a better release, better arc, better rotation on his shot.

Jordan is a better shooter overall, Kwahi doesn't have as good of a fadeaway.

Basically if you take Kwahi, increase his speed, athletic explosion, and a better fadeaway shot ... then yeah he'd be neck and neck with Jordan, but as is he's kinda like a poor man's version.

Which is still as we can see an amazing player. Kwahi is amazing. It just goes to show though how amazing Jordan was.

But Kwahi plays a very similar game to Jordan, not quite as exciting or explosive, but similar. Closest I've seen probably.
He never worked on his 3 point shot when he was in the league so why would he now? They had to shorten the line for him and he was still awful.

Contested game 7 buzzer beater win or go home off the dribble 3 point shot > Uncalled push off foul midrange jumper.

I don

[Cleverness]

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[Lakessss]

Didn't mj beat magics Lakers? Why do you think the warriors without kd are any better than magics Lakers? What have they done? They won one chip against a depleted Cavs team. They have more losses than wins in the finals. The warriors without kd arnt a dynasty at all.
Old washed, sickened magic?

What about the Celtics? Pistons? You know.. The actually worthy of discussion teams.

[Soundwave]

He never worked on his 3 point shot when he was in the league so why would he now? They had to shorten the line for him and he was still awful.

Contested game 7 buzzer beater win or go home off the dribble 3 point shot > Uncalled push off foul midrange jumper.

I don’t wanna hear any woulda coulda. He didn’t and he won’t. How many times did Kawhi lose in the first round and how many times did he beat a dynastic team. Now compare that to Jordan’s competition. Yeah the disparity starts to become to glaringly obvious to ignore.

Because it wasn't part of the game back then, taking too many 3s was considered a bad shot back then.

But if you're talking shot mechanics, Jordan's shot is better than Kwahi's. Kwahi has a bit of an awkward release even still, a bit flat of a shot, Jordan's release is better. Better arc on the shot, more fluid release.

If he wanted to become more of a 3 point shooter he would've simply made that adjustment.

Athleticism though? Nope, Jordan was notably quicker, especially off the first step and exploding off the floor to leap over players, punish other teams at the rim, embarrass them, etc. Kwahi doesn't really have that element.

Kwahi is the closest I've seen to Jordan, but he's like a poor man's version. Which is still probably the best player in the league today. So props to Kwahi for that.

[Vino24]

MJ could strangle a mountain lion with his bare hands

[egokiller]

Kawhi is dominating in this soft league where you can get off any shot you want. Now you put MJ in this league and he

[Lakessss]

Because it wasn't part of the game back then, taking too many 3s was considered a bad shot back then.

But if you're talking shot mechanics, Jordan's shot is better than Kwahi's. Kwahi has a bit of an awkward release even still, a bit flat of a shot, Jordan's release is better.

If he wanted to become more of a 3 point shooter he would've simply made that adjustment.

Athleticism though? Nope, Jordan was notably quicker, especially off the first step and exploding off the floor to leap over players.

Kwahi is the closest I've seen to Jordan, but he's like a poor man's version. Which is still probably the best player in the league today. So props to Kwahi for that.

If Jordan and Kawhi played 1v1 Kawhi would lock him up from every side of the court. Jordan is no match for Kawhi on the defensive side and Kawhi

[Vino24]

[QUOTE=Lakessss]If Jordan and Kawhi played 1v1 Kawhi would lock him up from every side of the court. Jordan is no match for Kawhi on the defensive side and Kawhi

[Soundwave]

If Jordan and Kawhi played 1v1 Kawhi would lock him up from every side of the court. Jordan is no match for Kawhi on the defensive side and Kawhi’s offense is just as good if not better ( thanks to the 3 point shot in his arsenal, one which Jordan doesn’t have. )

You cannot deny this. Jordan has never played a player as good as Kawhi. Not in their prime atleast and he definitely didn’t win.

Kwahi has never played a player as good as Jordan, if you're talking same age too ... 27 year old Jordan at his size is faster than anyone Kwahi has ever faced in that size range with massive hands and that massive wingspan and the leaping ability and agility in the air.

There's no one like that either.

Like I said props to Kwahi. As someone who actually watched Jordan in his prime, Kwahi is the closest I've seen to Jordan. They look pretty damn similar at times. Sorry Kobe and LeBron, sit down.

But he's basically like a slower, less athletic version of Jordan with a flatter shot and less offensive awareness/creativity. Which is still one heck of a player, probably the best player in the world right now.

[Lakessss]

[QUOTE=egokiller]Kawhi is dominating in this soft league where you can get off any shot you want. Now you put MJ in this league and he

[ClipperRevival]

[QUOTE=Lakessss]If Jordan and Kawhi played 1v1 Kawhi would lock him up from every side of the court. Jordan is no match for Kawhi on the defensive side and Kawhi

[red1]

absolutely.


kawhi wouldn't have gotten madonna'd the way MJ did by pippen.

[Bronbron23]

Kawhi is slowly closing the gap but it's mj and it's not close right now. Kawhi is sick but him dominating the best team in this era just shows how mj would absolutely destroy this weak era.

[Soundwave]

Kwahi's success just reaffirms prime Jordan would be the best player in the current NBA.

He's basically Kwahi, except he's faster, more explosive at the rim, better fadeaway.

In the 80s/90s, practising your 3 shot wasn't a priority because the coach was never going to run an offence where you could jack 3s all night. No one played that way so why would you spend hours developing that shot.

But Jordan's shot mechanics were actually better than Kwahi's, there's no reason if he really spent time on that shot that he couldn't develop it if he wanted to.

Kwahi on the other hand ... good luck becoming as fast or explosive as Jordan, that's not happening.

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=Lakessss]Today

[Lakessss]

I don't know if you're just joking or just a blithering idiot. Which is it? :oldlol:
Are you saying Jordan is a better defensive player than Kawhi?
Are you saying Jordan is a better three point shooter than Kawhi?
Are you saying Jordan faced better players than Lebron, KD, Curry, Kobe, Embiid, Giannis, Harden, Klay. Like Kawhi?

Answer those three questions than tell me again if I

[Cold soul]

Kwahi's success just reaffirms prime Jordan would be the best player in the current NBA.

He's basically Kwahi, except he's faster, more explosive at the rim, better fadeaway.

In the 80s/90s, practising your 3 shot wasn't a priority because the coach was never going to run an offence where you could jack 3s all night. No one played that way so why would you spend hours developing that shot.

But Jordan's shot mechanics were actually better than Kwahi's, there's no reason if he really spent time on that shot that he couldn't develop it if he wanted to.

Kwahi on the other hand ... good luck becoming as fast or explosive as Jordan, that's not happening.

Well said. Jordan was so much more athletic and explosive his first step was unreal.

[ClipperRevival]

[QUOTE=Lakessss]Are you saying Jordan is a better defensive player than Kawhi?
Are you saying Jordan is a better three point shooter than Kawhi?
Are you saying Jordan faced better players than Lebron, KD, Curry, Kobe, Embiid, Giannis, Harden, Klay. Like Kawhi?

Answer those three questions than tell me again if I

[Soundwave]

[QUOTE=egokiller]1. Players today get off any shot they want off simple screens.
2. MJ wouldn

[Lakessss]

Look bro. If you never saw MJ play, you shouldn't talk. I'll leave it at that.
Couldn

[ClipperRevival]

[QUOTE=Lakessss]Couldn

[Vino24]

OK, you got me. I'm wrong.
MJ stans see the light :rockon:

[Lakessss]

OK, you got me. I'm wrong.
It takes a real man to admit when he has faced defeat. You

[Soundwave]

Couldn’t answer the three questions so you gave up.

Like I said. Kawhi would lock him down in a 1v1.

No he wouldn't. You can be a great defender, but basketball is a sport where a dominant offensive player always has a bit of an edge, because he knows where he's going whereas the defender has to guess.

Kwahi has never played anyone at that size as fast or as explosive as a 27 year old Jordan.

There is no single coverage defence that can stop Michael Jordan at that age. It doesn't exist.

Because the fact is his first step is too fast, he can get a half step on anyone and Jordan was not ego-centric in how he scored points. If he had to score getting a half step and just taking a simple pull up mid-range J ... he had no problem with that.

[egokiller]

People don't really get that Jordan was a genetic freak of nature, they just think "oh 6 foot 6, nothing special" but the part of it they don't understand is Jordan basically had the quickness of a 6'0 player with a freak vertical leap to go with it.

No one else in the Jordan family is over 5'9 ... somehow he was given a growth spurt to 6'6 and retained very similar speed to a smaller player while having freakishly large hands and the Jordans have some crazy ass vertical leap going on in their family.

Jordan's older brother is 5'8 or 5'9 and can pull off some pretty impressive dunks, Jordan basically has the same vertical but at 6'6.

He was a total freak of nature. How one person in a family of a 5'9 people just becomes 6'6 is a friggin' miracle or something.

Yep and no one gives a flying fvck about someone’s opinion that never saw MJ play when discussing MJ vs ___ because their viewpoint is limited. We won this argument with ease. :cheers:

[ClipperRevival]

[QUOTE=egokiller]Yep and no one gives a flying fvck about someone

[TheMan]

This for the kids on this board who didn't get to see MJ in his prime ... Kwahi is basically a slower, less explosive, less creative version of Jordan.

And that's not meant to be a diss, it just goes to show prime Jordan would be far and away the best player in the league today if Kwahi is this good.

Kwahi is great, but he doesn't have the extra bit of explosive speed and less leaping ability that Jordan had at the same age.

Jordan was a better athlete and more creative offensively.

Kwahi is very similar in a lot of ways, just not quite there.
This kids have all the video evidence of MJ on Youtube, they are being willfully stupid when they say stupid shit like the OP. Kobe also played similar to MJ but MJ was quicker and more athletic, no player has the body control MJ had in mid air or the hang time.

One thing that irks me is when stupid kids say that players are way more advanced today...if that's true, where are the Shaq's? Why haven't we seen anyone dominate down low like he did, even today's best big man, AD is nowhere near Shaq in terms of physical dominance.

There are special players, every era has them, LeBron's is this era's, MJ was in his era, Wilt in his, Shaq in his, Dr J etc etc.

No one today can match MJ, Kawhi is a slower, less fundamentally sound version of MJ, nowhere near the body control MJ had. I lol every time I hear a young dumbass say MJ wouldn't dominate today :roll:

Idiots

[Soundwave]

Yep and no one gives a flying fvck about someone’s opinion that never saw MJ play when discussing MJ vs ___ because their viewpoint is limited. We won this argument with ease. :cheers:

Yeah you know the one Iverson cross-over stupid basketball people fawn over on Jordan, what they don't get and what Iverson himself admits is Jordan damn near came within a millimeter of blocking the shot, lol.

And that's like a 34-year-old Jordan against possibly the fastest lateral quickness player that ever played the sport.

So now think about a 27 year old Jordan where age has not faded the fast twich muscle fiber and reflexes ... that sh*t is getting sent back into Iverson's face.

[ClipperRevival]

Yeah you know the one Iverson cross-over stupid basketball people fawn over on Jordan, what they don't get and what Iverson himself admits is Jordan damn near came within a millimeter of blocking the shot, lol.

And that's like a 34-year-old Jordan against possibly the fastest lateral quickness player that ever played the sport.

So now think about a 27 year old Jordan where age has not faded the fast twich muscle fiber and reflexes ... that sh*t is getting sent back into Iverson's face.

High IQ post

[egokiller]

The icing on the cake is that even IF you had a guy today with MJ’s genetics and physical attributes, he STILL has to have that killer instinct, win at all costs in the finals mentality to even stand a chance. These kids don’t understand this. The fact that a man had a combination of both is an anomaly. This fvcker was so insane he practiced before actual practice every season. Had no life at the cost of being flawless in the finals.

[Lakessss]

No he wouldn't. You can be a great defender, but basketball is a sport where a dominant offensive player always has a bit of an edge, because he knows where he's going whereas the defender has to guess.

Kwahi has never played anyone at that size as fast or as explosive as a 27 year old Jordan.

There is no single coverage defence that can stop Michael Jordan at that age. It doesn't exist.

Because the fact is his first step is too fast, he can get a half step on anyone and Jordan was not ego-centric in how he scored points. If he had to score getting a half step and just taking a simple pull up mid-range J ... he had no problem with that.
He had a problem when it came to the Celtics and Pistons. You know. Prior to getting a lockdown defender in Pippen.

Imagine the defensive prowess of Pippen and the scoring ability of Jordan. You get Kawhi. That

[Soundwave]

This kids have all the video evidence of MJ on Youtube, they are being willfully stupid when they say stupid shit like the OP. Kobe also played similar to MJ but MJ was quicker and more athletic, no player has the body control MJ had in mid air or the hang time.

One thing that irks me is when stupid kids say that players are way more advanced today...if that's true, where are the Shaq's? Why haven't we seen anyone dominate down low like he did, even today's best big man, AD is nowhere near Shaq in terms of physical dominance.

There are special players, every era has them, LeBron's is this era's, MJ was in his era, Wilt in his, Shaq in his, Dr J etc etc.

No one today can match MJ, Kawhi is a slower, less fundamentally sound version of MJ, nowhere near the body control MJ had. I lol every time I hear a young dumbass say MJ wouldn't dominate today :roll:

Idiots

Youtube highlight clips give you an idea, but they can't give the full picture entirely.

You have to watch a great player in his prime to understand all the nuances of their game.

For younger posters who really are curious how good Jordan was, watching Kwahi possession to possession is not a bad way to try and understand.

He's not far off at times. He's just not the explosive agile athlete that Jordan was though. He's a good athlete, but Jordan was off the charts pre-93 retirement. Otherwise it is close. Which is the *biggest* compliment I can give to the guy. He is closer to MJ than Kobe or LeBron.

[sportjames23]

Every time a superstar shines, they get compared to MJ. Gee, I wonder why?
Seriously, as bball fans, how lucky are we to have seen the GOAT with our own eyes? :bowdown:

These kids just don't get it.


This. I

[Lakessss]

The icing on the cake is that even IF you had a guy today with MJ’s genetics and physical attributes, he STILL has to have that killer instinct, win at all costs in the finals mentality to even stand a chance. These kids don’t understand this. The fact that a man had a combination of both is an anomaly. This fvcker was so insane he practiced before actual practice every season. Had no life at the cost of being flawless in the finals.
You know Kawhi is the only player in history to have a game 7 buzzer beater? There’s nothing more killer instinct than that.

And if you need more examples, just look at game 4 today and the way he stopped the Warriors from going up by 25 when the other raptors couldn’t hit a shot.

[Soundwave]

This. I’ve never seen anyone compare Kawhi to anyone else, but all of a sudden he’s dominating these playoffs and who are the experts comparing him to? Yes, the GOAT. I don’t see the comparisons myself, but like you said, whenever a superstar shines, they compare him to MJ. And not just in basketball, as we saw with Tom Brady the last few years.

Stylistically though there are similarities with Kwahi and MJ. He does sometimes remind me of him.

Just doesn't have the athleticism though. Great athlete, but Jordan was some other-world alien type of athletic ability. I've never seen a 6'6 player move as fast a quick 6'0 guy and then be blessed with that kind of vertical leap and large hands.

Dude was just a total freak. Kwahi is a freak too, just not as blessed.

[Soundwave]

The other thing Kwahi kinda lacks is with Kwahi he'll basically play "within the game". He won't go outside the game, which is OK if you're going to do something stupid (this is where Kobe could get baited into).

Jordan also similarily had a high basketball I.Q. and would not be goaded into "stupid basketball".

The difference though is Jordan also had an extra gear which was basically "I'm f*cking taking this game over" and Kwahi doesn't really have that.

If he's hot and feeling good then he can do it here and there but it's not like a switch that he's capable of turning on, whereas watching Jordan you really got that "oh sh*t, here it comes" feeling.

[Lakessss]

Stylistically though there are similarities with Kwahi and MJ. He does sometimes remind me of him.

Just doesn't have the athleticism though. Great athlete, but Jordan was some other-world alien type of athletic ability. I've never seen a 6'6 player move as fast a quick 6'0 guy and then be blessed with that kind of vertical leap and large hands.

Dude was just a total freak. Kwahi is a freak too, just not as blessed.
It’s easy to look like an other-world alien type of athlete when everyone else on the court is a part time NBA player. The expansion era really got all of you wearing rose colored glasses. I get nostalgia but at some point you have to understand that Jordan “ unmatched “ athleticism is easily comparable to mid tier players in today’s era.

[ClipperRevival]

Stylistically though there are similarities with Kwahi and MJ. He does sometimes remind me of him.

Just doesn't have the athleticism though. Great athlete, but Jordan was some other-world alien type of athletic ability. I've never seen a 6'6 player move as fast a quick 6'0 guy and then be blessed with that kind of vertical leap and large hands.

Dude was just a total freak. Kwahi is a freak too, just not as blessed.

Another high IQ post.

Great point about MJ's QUICKNESS. Most people don't realize that he had the quickness of an elite PG. Never seen a 6'6" guy move like that. MJ had alien-like athleticism. Never seen anyone come close to his body dexterity/body control/fluidity of movement. He was different. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if this guy wasn't human.

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=Lakessss]You know Kawhi is the only player in history to have a game 7 buzzer beater? There

[Soundwave]

Another high IQ post.

Great point about MJ's QUICKNESS. Most people don't realize that he had the quickness of an elite PG. Never seen a 6'6" guy move like that. MJ had alien-like athleticism. Never seen anyone come close to his body dexterity/body control/fluidity of movement. He was different. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if this guy wasn't human.

That's actually exactly what a lot of younger posters don't get. They think "oh he was quick, like Kobe".

No. He was basically the first step of Iverson in a 6'6 body with a 44+ inch vertical and abnormal strength and klaw-like hand size (the hand thing, Kwahi has too but some of that other stuff ... no).

I mean actually if you look at "the Jordan story" it's kind of a freak thing. How do you go from like 5'7 to 6'6 especially when no one in your family is over 5'9.

I've heard of growth spurts, but I've never seen such a growth spurt from a family of all short people. I dunno if there is a god, but lol, if there is, he/she for whatever reason wanted that to happen. There's just no explaining it.

[Lakessss]

Wrong, MJ has 4 finals go ahead shots and never even allowed a game 7 in the finals. Once he molded Pippen into the great defender, it was all over. The man litterally molded his own help to make them good enough to help get him to the finals (see breakfast club) instead of team hopping.
Im wrong in saying Kawhi has the only game 7 buzzer beater in NBA history? Go find me the other one.

And spare me the molded his help.

Why didn

[NBASTATMAN]

KAWHI is an upgraded version of MJ.. Bigger , stronger and with more range.. :bowdown:

[Soundwave]

Wrong, MJ has 4 finals go ahead shots and never even allowed a game 7 in the finals. Once he molded Pippen into the great defender, it was all over. The man litterally molded his own help to make them good enough to help get him to the finals (see breakfast club) instead of team hopping.

I love Kwahi too, my favorite player in the current NBA, but that Sixers shot was lucky as f*ck, lol.

Hitting front rim like that from the corner and the bounce going towards the rim ... there's like a 5% chance of that happening, 95% of time that shot if you clang front rim is going go out of the cylinder.

[Soundwave]

KAWHI is an upgraded version of MJ.. Bigger , stronger and with more range.. :bowdown:

You forgot slower and less athletic with less creative ability. But he's still great.

More like Jordan than Kobe or LeBron. Which is greatness.

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=Lakessss]Im wrong in saying Kawhi has the only game 7 buzzer beater in NBA history? Go find me the other one.

And spare me the molded his help.

Why didn

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=Lakessss]Couldn

[NBASTATMAN]

You forgot slower and less athletic with less creative ability. But he's still great.

More like Jordan than Kobe or LeBron. Which is greatness.


KAWHI has a better jumper than mj, kobe or lebron..

He has Lebron type strength with hands bigger than MJ's and a jumper like KD's..

Yea he is an upgraded MJ.. :bowdown:

[Micku]

It says something about MJ's legacy that it's been 20+ years since MJ wore a Bulls uniform and ppl are still asking about whatever player x surpassed him lol. Sooo many. A.I, Kobe, T-Mac, Wade, LeBron, Curry 2016, etc. We never say that about any other star player, lol. Maybe we ask if a center is the next Shaq, but that's about it.

Imo, nope. Kawhi ain't better than MJ. Waay too premature. His play reminds me of MJ. Some of the moves, and the quick motion when he gets the ball. Like a couple of dribbles and then he attacks. Some of the post up game. But he ain't better than MJ. He isn't as quick, not as explosive around the rim, not a better passer, and his post game doesn't seem to be as good. But his footwork is similar to Kobe/MJ, just not as good.

As other ppl said, his style of play gives me an idea of what could MJ do in this era. Just without as good of a 3 pt shot.

I always thought LeBron was the closest to MJ in terms of performance and legacy tbh. In many ways surpassed him with some advance stats.

Not a knock on Kawhi tho. He's amazing.

[Soundwave]

KAWHI has a better jumper than mj, kobe or lebron..

He has Lebron type strength with hands bigger than MJ's and a jumper like KD's..

Yea he is an upgraded MJ.. :bowdown:

Actually if you know anything about shot mechanics he doesn't, but I get the sense again a lot of people on this board don't actually play basketball or have been coached at any level so they don't understand any of that, lol.

Kwahi's shot is flat and the release is kinda awkward, but you can tell he worked his ass off to go from a mediocre shooter when he was drafted to a decent shooter a good one by now.

But mechanics wise? Uh nope. His shot is too flat. His fadeaway is nowhere close to Jordan's.

[egokiller]

KAWHI has a better jumper than mj, kobe or lebron..

He has Lebron type strength with hands bigger than MJ's and a jumper like KD's..

Yea he is an upgraded MJ.. :bowdown:

Not even close. :roll:

[NBASTATMAN]

Not even close. :roll:


LIL Gary Payton had MJ playing Kobe level ball in the finals .. You think he could stand up to KAWHI ? NO WAY.. KAWHI is huge compared to MJ nevermind GP..

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/130315104330-obeidallah-presidential-jokes-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg

[Micku]

KAWHI has a better jumper than mj, kobe or lebron..

He has Lebron type strength with hands bigger than MJ's and a jumper like KD's..

Yea he is an upgraded MJ.. :bowdown:

Does he have bigger hands than MJ?

I thought he didn't or they are about the same size?

*looks up*

Yup.

1. Boban Marjanovic: Estimated to be 10.75/12 inches
2. Shaquille O'Neal: Estimated to be 10.25/12 inches
3. Giannis Antetokounmpo: 9.85/12 inches
4. Gregory Smith: 9.8/12 inches
5. Connie Hawkins: 10.5/11 inches
6. Noah Vonleh: 9.75/11.75 inches
7. Julius Erving: Estimated to be 9.5/11.75 inches
8. Michael Jordan: 9.75/11.375 inches
9. Kawhi Leonard: 9.75/11.25 inches
10. Wilt Chamberlain: 9.5/11.5 inches
11. Royce White: 9.5/11.5 inches
12. Wayne Embry: Estimated to be 9.25/11.75 inches
13. Elgin Baylor: Estimated to be 9.75/11 inches.
14. Jahlil Okafor: Estimated to be 9.5/11.25 inches
15. Rajon Rondo: 9.5/10 inches

https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/14-NBA-Players-With-the-Most-Impressive-Hand-Sizes

[Soundwave]

LIL Gary Payton had MJ playing Kobe level ball in the finals .. You think he could stand up to KAWHI ? NO WAY.. KAWHI is huge compared to MJ nevermind GP..

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/130315104330-obeidallah-presidential-jokes-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg

Jordan average 30.1 ppg in his career, but 30.5 ppg in games against Payton ... so yeah great job GP.

Next time you might not want to let Jordan and the Bulls go up 3-0 in the Finals too basically ending the series before it even really got going before you decide to start playing.

[Lakessss]

OP you're a fukking idiot

https://youtu.be/ReyHfN-NMpo

Go to sleep kid, that's enough internet for you today
All I see in that video is 1v1 ISO

[egokiller]

LIL Gary Payton had MJ playing Kobe level ball in the finals .. You think he could stand up to KAWHI ? NO WAY.. KAWHI is huge compared to MJ nevermind GP..

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/130315104330-obeidallah-presidential-jokes-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg

GP

[Soundwave]

All I see in that video is 1v1 ISO’s. Kawhi was double teamed the entire finals and was doing the exact same thing plus lockdown defense plus three point shot, plus against better players than any of those guys in that video. I should be impressed why exactly?

That's why you can't just base your knowledge off Youtube video clips. What you think you're a genius and no one thought to blitz double team Jordan in the 90s? You think that's just invented in the 2010s somehow?

Jordan faced that type of blitz coverage all the time, regular season and playoffs, it was just a normal thing teams would try to do. Let me tell you how that movie ends: it didn't work. It wouldn't work today either.

The whole narrative of the Warriors being some great defensive team is a laugh too ... they're not. They just win a lot because they have tons of offensive talent and then they defend maybe for 4-5 minute spurts and the media crowns them a great defensive team too, lol. Nope. They are sloppy as hell on D quite often.

[sportjames23]

LIL Gary Payton had MJ playing Kobe level ball in the finals .. You think he could stand up to KAWHI ? NO WAY.. KAWHI is huge compared to MJ nevermind GP..

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/130315104330-obeidallah-presidential-jokes-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/ypPSJdq/Michael-Jordan.jpg

[Lakessss]

That's why you can't just base your knowledge off Youtube video clips. What you think you're a genius and no one thought to blitz team Jordan in the 90s?

Jordan faced that type of blitz coverage all the time, regular season and playoffs, it was just a normal thing teams would try to do. Let me tell you how that movie ends: it didn't work. It wouldn't work today either.

The whole narrative of the Warriors being some great defensive team is a laugh too ... they're not. They just win a lot because they have tons of offensive talent and then they defend maybe for 4-5 minute spurts and the media crowns them a great defensive team too, lol. Nope. They are sloppy as hell on D quite often.
Zone Defense buddy boy
And the Warriors defense is better than 90s foul him till he gets knocked out defense.

And when it came to Jordan. Even blowing wind on him was called a foul. So imagine Harden playing in the 90s? That’s a lot of free throws
Kawhi doesn’t get those type of calls. And is still doing as good in this post season in offense. Don’t get me started on the defensive side

[NBASTATMAN]

Jordan average 30.1 ppg in his career, but 30.5 ppg in games against Payton ... so yeah great job GP.

Next time you might not want to let Jordan and the Bulls go up 3-0 in the Finals too basically ending the series before it even really got going before you decide to start playing.


DUH OBAMA SAID HE GOT HIS POINTS KOBEESQUE style.. You know low efficiency..

Obama knows his bball..

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[red1]

[QUOTE=egokiller]GP

[Soundwave]

Zone Defense buddy boy

There is no defence that can stop Jordan. You can't stop someone if you can't stay in front of them, and no one is fast enough to do that unless you get into the range of 6'0-6'1 guys, and Jordan would shoot over those guys.

Just like there's no D today that would be able to stop a prime Shaq either.

There are some players you just cannot stop and it has nothing to do with "era this, era that". There's no f*cking "master game plan" to come up with, you just let them have theirs and then hope the rest of their team isn't good enough to beat the rest of your team, which is basically what the Pistons hoped and prayed for until that wasn't the case any more in which case they were then f*cked.

[egokiller]

are you ****ing retarded holy shit everything you post is so ****ing dumb :roll: :roll: :roll:


if there was ever a player in the history of the nba that trash-talk would NOT work on it's kawhi. there's a video of draymond it looks like he's playing with one of kawhi's braids on the freethrow line and kawhi literally doesn't react.


just because MJ got "kobe-esqued" by the glove it doesn't mean it would happen to every other player :oldlol:

Is this clown seriously trying to compare GP level trash talk to fvcking Draymond Green? :lol

Kawhi right now would be less effective vs GP than a 96 version of MJ hands down. Kawhi

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=Lakessss]Im wrong in saying Kawhi has the only game 7 buzzer beater in NBA history? Go find me the other one.

And spare me the molded his help.

Why didn

[Soundwave]

Is this clown seriously trying to compare GP level trash talk to fvcking Draymond Green? :lol

Kawhi right now would be less effective vs GP than a 96 version of MJ hands down. Kawhi’s just so much slower and less athletic than MJ it’s not even a comparison when putting both up against the glove.

Kwahi is still a great athlete, don't get me wrong. But he is definitely and very obviously slower than Jordan and not as agile/athletic.

And that's not meant to be an insult. He's an incredible player. It just goes to show Jordan would be incredible in the modern NBA.

And for the young'uns who also were on that "Golden State would destroy the Bullz! Lol, it wouldn't even bes competetive" train, you probably are getting a wake up call now about how a very good defensive team can take an offensive team completely out of their comfort zone.

That probably is a wake up call to a lot of people who aren't used to seeing actual high end defence being played. And the Bulls had *two* guys as good defensively as Kwahi, not just one. Well actually probably three if you throw in Rodman, even pre-Rodman, Grant was pretty good too.

So if you thought Warriors-Bulls would just be the Bulls getting chumped and Golden State running up 130 point totals with Steph dancing on the side line ... yeah ... welcome to the reality of what DE-FENCE means. Wake up and smell that D Cinderella. The Bulls are a considerably better defensive team than the Raptors.

[Lakessss]

There is no defence that can stop Jordan. You can't stop someone if you can't stay in front of them, and no one is fast enough to do that unless you get into the range of 6'0-6'1 guys, and Jordan would shoot over those guys.

Just like there's no D today that would be able to stop a prime Shaq either.

There are some players you just cannot stop and it has nothing to do with "era this, era that". There's no f*cking "master game plan" to come up with, you just let them have theirs and then hope the rest of their team isn't good enough to beat the rest of your team, which is basically what the Pistons hoped and prayed for until that wasn't the case any more in which case they were then f*cked.
Maybe not in the weak un-athletic expansion era of the 90s where the guys could barely run down the floor without being gassed.

In this era however. He would he would be put to the test. He would struggle just like he did when Zone Defense became illegal and he cried to the commissioner to bring it back because it ruined his game of easy iso on slow part time NBA players.

[NBASTATMAN]

Maybe not in the weak un-athletic expansion era of the 90s where the guys could barely run down the floor without being gassed.

In this era however. He would he would be put to the test. He would struggle just like he did when Zone Defense became illegal and he cried to the commissioner to bring it back because it ruined his game of easy iso on slow part time NBA players.
:cheers: :applause:

[Soundwave]

Maybe not in the weak un-athletic expansion era of the 90s where the guys could barely run down the floor without being gassed.

In this era however. He would he would be put to the test. He would struggle just like he did when Zone Defense became illegal and he cried to the commissioner to bring it back because it ruined his game of easy iso on slow part time NBA players.

You're also aware there's a pretty fair difference between a 27 year old Jordan (the age Kwahi is now) and 34 year old Jordan.

Jordan was still great at 34, but don't f*cking get it twisted either.

27-year-old Jordan is probably the most spectacular combination of freak athleticism, speed, and explosiveness this sport has ever seen. Period.

There is no player like that today, what ever the heck happened to Jordan that pushed him to be 6'6 from 5'7 also somehow retained the speed of a much smaller player. Which is absurd.

Kwahi is great, but Jordan is something else. I wish there was actually a player like *exactly* like that because I miss watching that just for the sheer entertainment value of it.

34-year-old Jordan was great still and fun to watch but more in a "old kung-fu master who's not as quick/fast but knows every trick/skill" type thing. It's not the same.

[Cleverness]

Make all the comparisons to Jordan you want, but nobody has come close to replicating pre-retirement GOAT Jordan

GOAT Jordan would take 1 step and dunk or finish at the rim

Kawhi will show flashes of old Jordan with fadeaways and palming the basketball, but he's not the young GOAT Jordan pre-retirement

[Lakessss]

:cheers: :applause:
Jordan stans are just too easy:sleeping

I

[NBASTATMAN]

Jordan stans are just too easy:sleeping

I’m just waiting for EgoKiller to pull up fabricated Jordan stats next.


You mean ORDAN RIGHT :roll: Cuz compared to Kawhi he had no J.. Kawhi 's J is sweet from deeep.. MJ def had a great midrange but he isnt close to Kawhi from 3

[Lakessss]

You're also aware there's a pretty fair difference between a 27 year old Jordan (the age Kwahi is now) and 34 year old Jordan.

Jordan was still great at 34, but don't f*cking get it twisted either.

27-year-old Jordan is probably the most spectacular combination of freak athleticism, speed, and explosiveness this sport has ever seen. Period.

There is no player like that today, what ever the heck happened to Jordan that pushed him to be 6'6 from 5'7 also somehow retained the speed of a much smaller player. Which is absurd.

Kwahi is great, but Jordan is something else. I wish there was actually a player like *exactly* like that because I miss watching that just for the sheer entertainment value of it.

34-year-old Jordan was great still and fun to watch but more in a "old kung-fu master who's not as quick/fast but knows every trick/skill" type thing. It's not the same.
You know Demar Derozan exists right? Fast, athletic, no 3 point shot. Check the stats their game is eerily similar. Same impact as well had Jordan been playing in this era.

[Micku]

Jordan average 30.1 ppg in his career, but 30.5 ppg in games against Payton ... so yeah great job GP.

Next time you might not want to let Jordan and the Bulls go up 3-0 in the Finals too basically ending the series before it even really got going before you decide to start playing.


It's a little misleading cuz there are a bunch of times where GP didn't even guard MJ. GP should've guarded MJ earlier in the series.

It'll be interesting to see the stats of GP actually guarding MJ. I dunno if there are. I believe he started in game 3? But after game 3, he locked MJ up. It was mainly GP work while MJ was off the ball. He really denied him from getting the ball, and MJ had to work extra hard to get open.

I think GP said that Karl didn't want him to guard MJ, but he said he was going to do it anyway. Everytime there is a screen or whatever, he was gonn'a switch and stick with MJ. So, Karl gave up and let him guard MJ.

MJ was 23.7 on 36.7% after game 3. The first 3 games he was 31 ppg on 46% on 21 fga. 50% from 3pt too. So, MJ was killing them. You can say that MJ had a few off games, where he missed a few easy ones. But he had to work.

MJ 96 ain't MJ from 88-93.

[egokiller]

Maybe not in the weak un-athletic expansion era of the 90s where the guys could barely run down the floor without being gassed.

In this era however. He would he would be put to the test. He would struggle just like he did when Zone Defense became illegal and he cried to the commissioner to bring it back because it ruined his game of easy iso on slow part time NBA players.

In this era, it’s so soft because of a shit rule set that you don’t even have to dribble up court with your back to the defender like previous eras.

MJ in this era is having a field day with no one to hand check him. He needed a double team and hand checking by two players on him and that only worked 50% of the time against him. In this era without that defense, he’s fvcking lighting it up. He would literally break the league.

[Soundwave]

Make all the comparisons to Jordan you want, but nobody has come close to replicating pre-retirement GOAT Jordan

GOAT Jordan would take 1 step and dunk or finish at the rim

Kawhi will show flashes of old Jordan with fadeaways and palming the basketball, but he's not the young GOAT Jordan pre-retirement

Yeah Kwahi is more like a 34-year-old Jordan if you gave him PEDs, lol.

But 27 year old Jordan? Nah, no f**king way. That player doesn't exist in the NBA.

I wish there was, really I do. I would be the first person on that player's bandwagon, but it doesn't exist.

I really sometimes think Jordan was like an alien or something, lol, leaping ability is one thing too, but how the hell are you also gifted with Spider-Man like agility in the air? Like what the f*ck? You're not supposed to be able to move like that at that height. It's not supposed to happen.

[Lakessss]

[QUOTE=egokiller]In this era, it

[Soundwave]

Jordan would get disrespected on the three point line like Ben Simmons does. They’d dare him to shoot it like they to do to Draymond. Just clog the paint and watch the house of bricks as Jordan gets confused as to why the 3 point line is so far away from the basket.

How'd that work out for Clyde Drexler and the Blazers? :oldlol:

Kwahi himself basically proves this tired line of reasoning bunk anyway ... mid-range jumper is a killer asset even in today's NBA you can destroy defences with it.

Anyone who is trying to learn to play basketball ... get your dumb ass off the 3-point line and doing Steph Curry shots at age 11-14 ... and work on your mid-range J. You can hit that shot and you can play on any team in any situation.

[SomeBlackDude]

In this era however. He would he would be put to the test.

'97-98 (35 yo mj wins mvp, scoring title, fmvp)
ppg: 95.6
pace: 90.3
ortg: 105
efg: .478

'18-'19
ppg: 111.2 (highest in post merger nba history)
pace: 100
ortg: 110.4 (highest in nba history)
efg: .524 (highest in nba history)

a homeless man's version of mj is shitting all over the so-called goat team but the genuine article would be "put to the test" in the worst defensive season/era in nba history?

https://media.giphy.com/media/26FPxFeuN8UA7nqGQ/giphy.gif

[Lakessss]

Yeah Kwahi is more like a 34-year-old Jordan if you gave him PEDs, lol.

But 27 year old Jordan? Nah, no f**king way. That player doesn't exist in the NBA.

I wish there was, really I do. I would be the first person on that player's bandwagon, but it doesn't exist.

I really sometimes think Jordan was like an alien or something, lol, leaping ability is one thing too, but how the hell are you also gifted with Spider-Man like agility in the air? Like what the f*ck? You're not supposed to be able to move like that at that height. It's not supposed to happen.
Giannis jumps over players to dunk on them. Just stop.
So athletic but by his 15 season was already retired? Vince Carter is still out here averaging more points in his 20th season than Jordan in his 15th.

[red1]

'97-98 (35 yo mj wins mvp, scoring title, fmvp)
ppg: 95.6
pace: 90.3
ortg: 105
efg: .478

'18-'19
ppg: 111.2 (highest in post merger nba history)
pace: 100
ortg: 110.4 (highest in nba history)
efg: .524 (highest in nba history)

a homeless man's version of mj is shitting all over the so-called goat team but the genuine article would be "put to the test" in the worst defensive season/era in nba history?

https://media.giphy.com/media/26FPxFeuN8UA7nqGQ/giphy.gif
holy shit dude this is why no one likes MJ stans or invites them to anything. all you're doing is shitting on the modern era meanwhile MJ got his father killed and I don't see you say anything about that.


what gives?

[NBASTATMAN]

[

'18-'19
ppg: 111.2 (highest in post merger nba history)
pace: 100
ortg: 110.4 (highest in nba history)
efg: .524 (highest in nba history)

]


KAWHI confirmed as better than MJ.. Way better efficiency for his team.. Much better. All MJ did was shoot the ball .. Imagine going against Utah a team with only one true scorer .. Karl Malone :roll:

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=Lakessss]Jordan would get disrespected on the three point line like Ben Simmons does. They

[Soundwave]

Giannis jumps over players to dunk on them. Just stop.
So athletic but by his 15 season was already retired? Vince Carter is still out here averaging more points in his 20th season than Jordan in his 15th.

Jordan didn't just "jump over" people, that's your misconception if you think he was "like Giannis".

He jumped sure and he could dunk over just about anyone yeah sure, but had unreal body control and agility in the air, he jumped around and sometimes even seemingly through defenders somehow.

That to me was always more impressive. Any brute can dunk over someone, Giannis is also freaking 7 feet tall. But that kind of body control in the air ... forget it.

There is no comparable in the NBA right now to that. There just isn't. Sorry.

[Lakessss]

Jordan is worlds faster than Ben Simmons. By the time they dare him to shoot it the shots already released midrange. Unless you bring hand checking back, MJ is shitting on this league.
Just put Kawhi on him and watch him get locked up. Probably get a lot of nice steals on him too like the time he lost the ball in the ECF. Yikes.

[ImKobe]

'97-98 (35 yo mj wins mvp, scoring title, fmvp)
ppg: 95.6
pace: 90.3
ortg: 105
efg: .478

'18-'19
ppg: 111.2 (highest in post merger nba history)
pace: 100
ortg: 110.4 (highest in nba history)
efg: .524 (highest in nba history)

a homeless man's version of mj is shitting all over the so-called goat team but the genuine article would be "put to the test" in the worst defensive season/era in nba history?

https://media.giphy.com/media/26FPxFeuN8UA7nqGQ/giphy.gif


:roll: :roll:

And to think Jordan's stats are still on par with the top 5 players of this era, when he played at a much slower pace and in a tougher defensive era :biggums:

32/5/4 in the 1998 Playoffs at age 35, those are Kawhi's current averages minus the rebounds and he took over 20 RS games off with "load management" while Jordan played all 82 and carried a roster to 62 wins with Pippen missing half the season.

[SomeBlackDude]

holy shit dude this is why no one likes MJ stans or invites them to anything. all you're doing is shitting on the modern era meanwhile MJ got his father killed and I don't see you say anything about that.


what gives?

lol how is pointing out facts "shitting on the modern era"? :lol

facts- the 2018-2019 season saw the result of the freedom of movement push by the nba come to full fruition. highest ppg in post merger history, highest offensive rating and efg% ever.

again, just stating facts.

$tats.

sorry if the truth hurts.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/l3q2JCu9lep6dAmyY/giphy.gif

[Lakessss]

:roll: :roll:

And to think Jordan's stats are still on par with the top 5 players of this era, when he played at a much slower pace and in a tougher defensive era :biggums:

32/5/4 in the 1998 Playoffs at age 35, those are Kawhi's current averages minus the rebounds and he took over 20 RS games off with "load management" while Jordan played all 82 and carried a roster to 62 wins with Pippen missing half the season.
How do you carry a roster that wins just as much games without you as it was with you and were mere moments of going to the finals and winning it all. Doesn

[Soundwave]

Just put Kawhi on him and watch him get locked up. Probably get a lot of nice steals on him too like the time he lost the ball in the ECF. Yikes.

He'd get 32-40 dropped on him just like everyone else and their grandma did.

It's not hockey, you can't physically hold someone, that's really what you would need to stop Jordan from scoring 8 points a quarter.

As long as you can't really touch him, you can't really stop him.

Same thing with Shaq. Go ahead and give me some D that would be able to stop him in his prime. It doesn't f**king exist unless you basically allow defensive players to hold onto the offensive player.

Ben Simmons can't hold Jordan's jock strap as a pure scoring weapon.

[red1]

lol how is pointing out facts "shitting on the modern era"? :lol

facts- the 2018-2019 season saw the result of the freedom of movement push the nba come to full fruition. highest ppg in post merger history, highest offensive rating and efg% ever.

again, just stating facts.

$tats.

sorry if the truth hurts.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/l3q2JCu9lep6dAmyY/giphy.gif
some of those stats went up because it definitely is easier to score in this era because of the rules but some of those stats also went up because the players are also just more skilled at certain aspects of the game like 3-point shooting.

tbh I just wanted to troll you because you called kawhi a homeless man's jordan and in textbook fashion used the typical arguments, meanwhile jordan is out there getting his parents killed - say what you want at least kawhi wasn't involved in his father's tragic passing.

[egokiller]

Just put Kawhi on him and watch him get locked up. Probably get a lot of nice steals on him too like the time he lost the ball in the ECF. Yikes.

Kawhi isn

[red1]

[QUOTE=egokiller]Kawhi isn

[ImKobe]

[QUOTE=Lakessss]How do you carry a roster that wins just as much games without you as it was with you and were mere moments of going to the finals and winning it all. Doesn

[Soundwave]

It's not even like Jordan was some terrible, god awful 3 point shooter either, lol.

He was very early in his career in the mid-80s, but when you are the greatest drive-to-the-basket player in the game, it's idiotic to camp out behind the 3 point line to shoot 3s. There's a reason it's called "Air" Jordan every time you walk into a damn Foot Locker even today in 2019.

By age 27/28 though (the age Kawhi is now) Jordan had a pretty decent 3 point shot. 33% range in the 89-90 and 90-91 seasons which is not that far off from Kwahi who shoots about 37%.

That's not like some night and day difference. The Bulls offence simply was tailored to getting Jordan into the post and letting designated shooters like Paxson and Armstrong and Kerr to take 3s ... no one in the league played Steph Curry ball back then, the coach would slap you upside the head if you did that.

If 3s had that much importance in the game back then, given Jordan's work ethic, it's probably a safe assumption that the 33% range he was shooting in for much of the 1st 3-peat could get bumped up towards 37-38%. This is a guy who turned himself from a OK defensive player into the defensive player of the year. You really gonna bet that he couldn't improve his 3 point shooting?

That's the hill you're gonna die on? lol, good luck.

[LostCause]

Dudes in here melting down in full damage control mode lmao

“Kawhi about to beat the team it took Bron 7 games to beat and then was swept by the next 2 seasons. Quick! We need a distraction! Bring up Jordan instead!”

[egokiller]

holy shit you are such a goof dude :roll:

Stay out of this. I

[Cleverness]

This thread should be renamed to "Is a 27-year-old Kawhi better than a 34 year-old Jordan?"

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=LostCause]Dudes in here melting down in full damage control mode lmao

[ImKobe]

It's not even like Jordan was some terrible, god awful 3 point shooter either, lol.

He was very early in his career in the mid-80s, but when you are the greatest drive-to-the-basket player in the game, it's idiotic to camp out behind the 3 point line to shoot 3s. There's a reason it's called "Air" Jordan.

By age 27/28 though (the age Kawhi is now) Jordan had a pretty decent 3 point shot. 33% range in the 89-90 and 90-91 seasons which is not that far off from Kwahi who shoots about 37%.

That's not like some night and day difference. The Bulls offence simply was tailored to getting Jordan into the post and letting designated shooters like Paxson and Armstrong and Kerr to take 3s ... no one in the league played Steph Curry ball back then, the coach would slap you upside the head if you did that.

33% is being dishonest, he shot over 38% in every single Playoff run in the first three-peat and 40% in the 1993 Finals at over 4 attempts a game, shot at least 35% from three in every season where he took at least two a game.

[Lakessss]

There is no defence that can stop Jordan. You can't stop someone if you can't stay in front of them, and no one is fast enough to do that unless you get into the range of 6'0-6'1 guys, and Jordan would shoot over those guys.

Just like there's no D today that would be able to stop a prime Shaq either.

There are some players you just cannot stop and it has nothing to do with "era this, era that". There's no f*cking "master game plan" to come up with, you just let them have theirs and then hope the rest of their team isn't good enough to beat the rest of your team, which is basically what the Pistons hoped and prayed for until that wasn't the case any more in which case they were then f*cked.
Man.. this Jordan guy sounds incredible.. he must be 15-15 in the finals right? Oh wait.. he

[red1]

[QUOTE=egokiller]Stay out of this. I

[SomeBlackDude]

so with that said MJ is a complete homosexual. people in chicago used to catch him going into gay bars to do some gay shit god knows what. I have several sources who will confirm.

so you have sauces who frequent gay clubs? several of them?

interesting :coleman:

[Lakessss]

Mere moments? The Bulls lost in the 2nd round and they added Kukoc & Kerr when he left and were barely .500 the year he came back.

How many championships did Pippen win without Jordan? Didn't he join Hakeem's Rockets and then Portland after? Where are the rings?
How many did Jordan win without Pippen?

Better yet.. how many first rounds did Jordan win without Pippen?
:roll:

[red1]

so you have sauces who frequent gay clubs? several of them?

interesting :coleman:
absolutely. those are the best sources.

[Soundwave]

Man.. this Jordan guy sounds incredible.. he must be 15-15 in the finals right? Oh wait.. he’s not? How is the unstoppable force.. the unguardable other-worldly alien. Jesus in a pair of sneakers himself lose 9 playoff series’? Losing in the first round 3 times, TWO of which being sweeps. It just doesn’t make any sense? I thought nobody could stop him. Clearly if he was so unguardable as you say. It wouldn’t matter if his team was bad because he could just go off for 70 every game and win the game no? Isn’t this what you and all the other Jordan stans preach day in and day out? So WHY didn’t he do it?

Kawhi in 5. It’s time to accept reality and accept greatness. You’re living in the past my friend. Wake up and smell the roses. They smell so fresh.

Well he was 6-6 with 3 of those coming when he was past his athletic peak ... so uh yeah? Maybe the Blazers should've passed on Sam Bowie because who knows how many titles they could've had without having to wait 6 years for a Pippen to show up when they already had Drexler to go with Jordan from day 1.

He was great. There isn't anyone in the league quite like him.

Kwahi is great too. Take his game and make him faster, make him jump higher, have better agility, and more of a drive to not fade into a game but to take over a game more often ... and sure, that's Jordan.

Which is a big compliment to Kwahi. He is more Jordan than LeBron or Kobe. But by the same token, don't f*cking serve me Diet Coke that's been sitting out for an hour and tell me its regular Coke either. It's not the same thing.

[ImKobe]

How many did Jordan win without Pippen?

Better yet.. how many first rounds did Jordan win without Pippen?
:roll:

Pretty sure MJ averaged 45 ppg in the first round and beat the Cavs when Pippen was a rookie and a bench player.

Imagine if MJ teamed up with Hakeem and Barkley in 1999.

[Lakessss]

Pretty sure MJ averaged 45 ppg in the first round and beat the Cavs when Pippen was a rookie and a bench player.

Imagine if MJ teamed up with Hakeem and Barkley in 1999.
Why do I need to imagine MJ snaking his way into finals MVP like KD? When I can watch Kawhi do it with his second best player being Kyle Lowry, not hall of fame defensive player of the year Scottie Pippen.

Oh and btw

Kawhi without Lowry - Finals MVP
Jordan without Pippen - ah..ah.. 3 first round exists? Sounds like Westbrook without KD..:wtf:

[Soundwave]

33% is being dishonest, he shot over 38% in every single Playoff run in the first three-peat and 40% in the 1993 Finals at over 4 attempts a game, shot at least 35% from three in every season where he took at least two a game.

Good point, I looked it up actually ...

27-year old Jordan - 38.5% from 3 point range in the playoffs

27-year-old Kwahi (this year) - 37.9% from 3 point range in the playoffs


So, lol, Jordan actually shot a higher percentage in the playoffs at the same age.

His shot mechanics were great anyway, I would be skeptical of someone with poor shot mechanics being able to to improve their 3, but Jordan ... nah. If that's something that was a huge priority in the 90s, he definitely would've improved that and could shot it at a similar range anyway.

It's also far easier to get into a rhythm shooting 3s (or any other shot) if you shoot more of them. Duh. Like I know that should be common f*cking sense, but apparently not because some doofus probably doesn't understand that.

The 90s game didn't have as many 3s shot, if the game was designed around that shot though, he'd shot them more and have more of an opportunity to get into a rhythm shooting them. You could easily go 2-3 quarters without shooting a 3 even as a wing player.

That's actually where I think the disparity is, if you forced him to shoot two to three 3-pointers a quarter like how offences run today, he would get into a rhythm versus like shooting a 3 in the 1st quarter and then not shooting another one until the 4th quarter, which was common in 90s basketball.

[egokiller]

Well he was 6-6 with 3 of those coming when he was past his athletic peak ... so uh yeah? Maybe the Blazers should've passed on Sam Bowie because who knows how many titles they could've had without having to wait 6 years for a Pippen to show up when they already had Drexler to go with Jordan from day 1.

He was great. There isn't anyone in the league quite like him.

Kwahi is great too. Take his game and make him faster, make him jump higher, have better agility, and more of a drive to not fade into a game but to take over a game more often ... and sure, that's Jordan.

Which is a big compliment to Kwahi. He is more Jordan than LeBron or Kobe. But by the same token, don't f*cking serve me Diet Coke that's been sitting out for an hour and tell me its regular Coke either. It's not the same thing.

The real pisser is that these fvcking guys have had 21 years to show us something like even 98 MJ and we are still here twiddling our thumbs waiting to see someone with a game as special as what even 98 MJ had. 21 years...holy fvck do we have to wait another 21? I

[TheMan]

so you have sauces who frequent gay clubs? several of them?

interesting :coleman:
:roll:

That dude just outed himself :oldlol:

What a faaaaaag!

[Chuckbe]

Good point, I looked it up actually ...

27-year old Jordan - 38.5% from 3 point range in the playoffs

27-year-old Kwahi (this year) - 37.9% from 3 point range in the playoffs


So, lol, Jordan actually shot a higher percentage in the playoffs at the same age.

His shot mechanics were great anyway, I would be skeptical of someone with poor shot mechanics being able to to improve their 3, but Jordan ... nah. If that's something that was a huge priority in the 90s, he definitely would've improved that and could shot it at a similar range anyway.

It's also far easier to get into a rhythm shooting 3s (or any other shot) if you shoot more of them. Duh. Like I know that should be common f*cking sense, but apparently not because some doofus probably doesn't understand that.

The 90s game didn't have as many 3s shot, if the game was designed around that shot though, he'd shot them more and have more of an opportunity to get into a rhythm shooting them. You could easily go 2-3 quarters without shooting a 3 even as a wing player.

That's actually where I think the disparity is, if you forced him to shoot two to three 3-pointers a quarter like how offences run today, he would get into a rhythm versus like shooting a 3 in the 1st quarter and then not shooting another one until the 4th quarter, which was common in 90s basketball.

Can you also look up if MJ's three pointers were contested at all or was he wide open without a defender in sight?

[G0ATbe]

After this chip Kawhis resume is much more impressive than Jordans was at this point. He has faced and beaten better competition and did more with less. Its an easy yes for me.

[Manny98]

MJ could never beat these Warriors

Kawhi is a better defender

Kawhi is a better shooter (see percentages)

Kawhi is stronger more physical

Give me Kawhi over MJ any day

[ImKobe]

Good point, I looked it up actually ...

27-year old Jordan - 38.5% from 3 point range in the playoffs

27-year-old Kwahi (this year) - 37.9% from 3 point range in the playoffs


So, lol, Jordan actually shot a higher percentage in the playoffs at the same age.

His shot mechanics were great anyway, I would be skeptical of someone with poor shot mechanics being able to to improve their 3, but Jordan ... nah. If that's something that was a huge priority in the 90s, he definitely would've improved that and could shot it at a similar range anyway.

It's also far easier to get into a rhythm shooting 3s (or any other shot) if you shoot more of them. Duh. Like I know that should be common f*cking sense, but apparently not because some doofus probably doesn't understand that.

The 90s game didn't have as many 3s shot, if the game was designed around that shot though, he'd shot them more and have more of an opportunity to get into a rhythm shooting them. You could easily go 2-3 quarters without shooting a 3 even as a wing player.

That's actually where I think the disparity is, if you forced him to shoot two to three 3-pointers a quarter like how offences run today, he would get into a rhythm versus like shooting a 3 in the 1st quarter and then not shooting another one until the 4th quarter, which was common in 90s basketball.

Agreed, he showed out most of the times when he took 3s with some volume. He held the record for most 3-pointers in a half of a Finals game (1992) until Ray Allen broke it in 2010.

He had some terrible 3PT runs too, 1997 and 1998 Playoffs come to mind and he wasn't all that great in the Wizards' era, but we can confidently say that he would have developed a reliable 3PT shot in this era, given that he was a good FT shooter and a GOAT mid-range shooter.

[Elosha]

This for the kids on this board who didn't get to see MJ in his prime ... Kwahi is basically a slower, less explosive, less creative version of Jordan.

And that's not meant to be a diss, it just goes to show prime Jordan would be far and away the best player in the league today if Kwahi is this good.

Kwahi is great, but he doesn't have the extra bit of explosive speed and less leaping ability that Jordan had at the same age.

Jordan was a better athlete and more creative offensively.

Kwahi is very similar in a lot of ways, just not quite there.


Or as good of a jumpshot, especially the fadeaway. But it's not like Kawhi is so far off.

TBF, Kawhi is a better free throw shooter (although Jordan was excellent) and a better three point shooter (on a shot that Jordan didn't really consider important and shot quite well at higher volume). Jordan was quicker, more explosive, significantly better leaper (Kawhi is obviously very good in these areas). Kawhi bulls his way in a lot, which to be fair, he might be a bit heavier and stronger than Jordan, as he is a SF. It would be close, Jordan could also bulldoze people, he just also was significantly better than Kawhi at improvising in the air, finding space in the lane, and splitting double teams.

As good as he is, I've noticed Kawhi REALLY struggles doing anything with a double team. He'll make the smart play, and pick his spots to score with his impeccable jumpshot, but he honestly just doesn't have near the creativity or improvisation of Jordan. I actually think he comes up well short to Kobe and also LeBron/Durant in a pure creativity context with re to scoring. Kawhi is aware of his limitations and smartly does not try to force the issue frequently. His shooting is so precise that he can get away with some other relative "weaknesses" (hate to even call it that), but the defensive best teams (which GS is not currently) could expose them.

Jordan was significantly better playmaker. Rebounding is equivalent, Kawhi might have a slight edge. Defense is similar, they are both elite man to man and team defensive players. Slight edge to Jordan in steals/blocks. Not sure about their turnover comparison, but believe they are both excellent. Jordan was more of a ball handler. Both incredibly smart players that play somewhat differently but still do the right thing.

Let's not forget though that the type of excellence Kawhi is now doing far exceeds any other playoff output of his career. Jordan and other ATG's have put up similar numbers for many playoff runs, not just one. Kawhi's career numbers will likely be great, but nowhere near the best ever.

In short Kawhi's excellent and, in his current prime, he is not blown away by anyone in history. But for Jordan's lengthy prime, he's the GOAT. So If I give Jordan a 9.9 (no player in history can be perfect) current Kawhi is a 9.5. He's that good.

[Elosha]

MJ could never beat these Warriors

Kawhi is a better defender

Kawhi is a better shooter (see percentages)

Kawhi is stronger more physical

Give me Kawhi over MJ any day

That is so silly. Read the adults' analysis of people who actually saw both of them play. And Toronto is beating GS as a TEAM, with Kawhi leading the way and heading to a second Finals MVP (absent a huge meltdown). They are locked and loaded right now, reminds me of 2014 Spurs dismantling LeBron and Miami with superior teamwork. Honestly, even with Durant, I'm not convinced the Raptors could not win this.

[Bronbron23]

Why do I need to imagine MJ snaking his way into finals MVP like KD? When I can watch Kawhi do it with his second best player being Kyle Lowry, not hall of fame defensive player of the year Scottie Pippen.

Oh and btw

Kawhi without Lowry - Finals MVP
Jordan without Pippen - ah..ah.. 3 first round exists? Sounds like Westbrook without KD..:wtf:
These guys never even watched the mj's bulls play. Pip was a great defender but never won dpoy.

And siakam is only in his third year so he's no pip right now but hes getting close. He's putting up the same numbers on similar defence as pip In his third year. He's also putting up as good or better numbers as pip did in three of pips championship playoff runs with mj. If kawhi and siakam stay with the raps for the next 5 or 6 years and kawhi is healthy they'll win multiple chips and siakam will basically be pip when it's all said and done.

[paksat]

trolling on this forum is flat out... bad

kawhi ain't even close to jordan

way way way slower

[imdaman99]

No. Defensively I'd say yes, prob even better in his prime. But his offense is not even close. I like Kawhi though, I wish everyone would stop bringing other greats down to prop someone up. In this case it's reverse, propping someone up to bring someone they don't like down.

I hate MJ. I rooted so hard for Kobe to pass him, I think Lebron with a ring in LA could, but until then I'm not ready to knock MJ down. I troll every now and then but it is what it is.

I wanna see Kawhi get this done and seal the deal. Not ready to celebrate his win until I see that champagne poppin ya feel me?

[Jasper]

[QUOTE=Lakessss]Better defender, about to gentleman sweep the dynastic Warriors with no Pippen, something Jordan had no idea how to accomplish when facing great teams and not a lineup of mechanics and Janitors.
About to have 2 rings, 2 FMVP And is doing it in a much more advanced era. Going against the best shooter of all time, a defensive player of the year, finals mvp in Iggy, lockdown 3 and D Klay. Etc etc etc.

Never seen Jordan beat anyone close to this team.

It

[Phoenix]

No. Defensively I'd say yes, prob even better in his prime. But his offense is not even close. I like Kawhi though, I wish everyone would stop bringing other greats down to prop someone up. In this case it's reverse, propping someone up to bring someone they don't like down.

I hate MJ. I rooted so hard for Kobe to pass him, I think Lebron with a ring in LA could, but until then I'm not ready to knock MJ down. I troll every now and then but it is what it is.

I wanna see Kawhi get this done and seal the deal. Not ready to celebrate his win until I see that champagne poppin ya feel me?

ISH isn't run to function otherwise.

[Lakessss]

Kawhi would lockdown Jordan. Simple as that. You

[egokiller]

C I told u all / here is the first bullshlt thread about GOAT

You called it. Poor lil fellas have to settle for watching mediocrity and squirm over the fact that they never witnessed GOAT MJ. Imagine what they tell their kids. "I didn't see a 6 time finals winner, I saw a 6 time finals loser". Kid will be like "gee that's great dad" as they roll their eyes.

Oh well:

http://i63.tinypic.com/flwyro.jpg

[SpaceJam2]

You called it. Poor lil fellas have to settle for watching mediocrity and squirm over the concept that they never witnessed GOAT MJ. Oh well:

http://i63.tinypic.com/flwyro.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/kgcsK6qw/NoPipNoChip.jpg

[egokiller]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c972f01549cfeb41af2d5abbc42bc21c/tenor.gif

[bullettooth]

https://i.postimg.cc/kgcsK6qw/NoPipNoChip.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/74/50/ed/7450edaf58dbaac1bc726447c67bdb97.jpg

[egokiller]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/74/50/ed/7450edaf58dbaac1bc726447c67bdb97.jpg


:roll: :roll: :roll:

:applause:

[SpaceJam2]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/74/50/ed/7450edaf58dbaac1bc726447c67bdb97.jpg

:lol

#2 in everything. Nice work Mike

https://i.postimg.cc/QtDnNGsz/GOATbarSET.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/g26458B4/20190514212318.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/ZKkcXf7k/Lpolpolplplpl.jpg

[Manny98]

https://i.postimg.cc/kgcsK6qw/NoPipNoChip.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[egokiller]

WE STAY WINNING!:banana: :banana: :banana:

http://oi63.tinypic.com/10zbv52.jpg

[Lakessss]

WE STAY WINNING!:banana: :banana: :banana:

http://oi63.tinypic.com/10zbv52.jpg
Doing that against the GOAT team and the other great teams in today

[FromDowntown]

No of course not but the lead is getting cut shorter and shorter. Give him another few years after he signs his extension with Toronto and we will be in for a nice ride as NBA fans

[TheMan]

Agenda Is so obvious by the LeStans...

They're eager to prop Kawhi over MJ, anyone old enough to have watched both know Kawhi is heading towards all time great status but to compare him to MJ now or even mention that he's better than MJ just shows you that they have no clue wtf they're talking about.

Excellent thread to pick out the no nothings like OP, Manny98, spacejam2 etc

They're exposed as trolls or idiots, take your choice :oldlol:

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=Lakessss]Doing that against the GOAT team and the other great teams in today

[TheMan]

:lol

#2 in everything. Nice work Mike

https://i.postimg.cc/QtDnNGsz/GOATbarSET.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/g26458B4/20190514212318.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/ZKkcXf7k/Lpolpolplplpl.jpg
Lol

How about 6 Finals losses and 2 by sweep and one by gentleman sweep?

Biggest margins of defeat, broke his own record on two different squads vs two different opponents :confusedshrug:

Plus all those stats are longevity stats, Karl Malone scored more points than MJ yet not even the biggest retard will argue Mailman > MJ :lol

[FromDowntown]

Lol

How about 6 Finals losses and 2 by sweep and one by gentleman sweep?

Biggest margins of defeat, broke his own record on two different squads vs two different opponents :confusedshrug:

Plus all those stats are longevity stats, Karl Malone scored more points than MJ yet not even the biggest retard will argue Mailman > MJ :lol

He did face lopsided defeat but the teams were lopsided as well. As for Mailman having more points than MJ, well no because that's just false. The top 5 in playoff points are LBJ, MJ, Kareem, Kobe, Shaq: so: Mailmen isnt even close. Search the internet first if you dont know this stuff

~ Splash ~

[bullettooth]

:lol

#2 in everything. Nice work Mike

https://i.postimg.cc/QtDnNGsz/GOATbarSET.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/g26458B4/20190514212318.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/ZKkcXf7k/Lpolpolplplpl.jpg

This guy is coping so hard!

[egokiller]

Bullettooth beating the shit out of these clowns so bad he's squeezing April 2019 alts out of them. :roll:

[LostCause]

These Bron stans are scrambling for damage control . Lmao

[egokiller]

These Bron stans are scrambling for damage control . Lmao

To be fair, they don't have much to work with. They are sitting on a 6 time finals loser and the current series showcases 3 guys that stole 4 of lebron's FMVP's. They should have listened instead of mouthing off the entire time. Now they are learning a hard life lesson.

[andgar923]

[QUOTE=Lakessss]Better defender, about to gentleman sweep the dynastic Warriors with no Pippen, something Jordan had no idea how to accomplish when facing great teams and not a lineup of mechanics and Janitors.
About to have 2 rings, 2 FMVP And is doing it in a much more advanced era. Going against the best shooter of all time, a defensive player of the year, finals mvp in Iggy, lockdown 3 and D Klay. Etc etc etc.

Never seen Jordan beat anyone close to this team.

It

[JBSptfn]

And yet here you are propping up Russell over MJ for his rings against the unathletic 50's and 60's. :facepalm

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13740242&postcount=22

It's too easy to destroy your arguments because I just simply use your own piss poor logic against you. At least try not to constantly own yourself. :applause:

MJ never played against the real GOAT (Wilt Chamberlain). Russell beat him several times.

Speaking of Wilt, I love how people wax poetic about MJ's athleticism. 20 years ago, ESPN crowned him as the best athlete of the 20th century :roll:.

That was a joke. MJ isn't even the best athlete in NBA history. Wilt would cream him in anything. For example, if they competed in Track and Field, Chamberlain would murder him in any event. He was the fastest man on his team.

Another person who was a better athlete: Babe Didrikson Zaharias. For example, she was a better golfer and baseball player than your beloved role model was. Jim Thorpe was also a better athlete than MJ.

Also, what's sad is that John Elway wasn't on that list. He was great at two sports (he was a better baseball player than MJ ever was as well as being one of the best two or three QB's ever).

That list was ESPN propaganda, pure and simple.

[RRR3]

[QUOTE=andgar923]Don

[sportjames23]

MJ never played against the real GOAT (Wilt Chamberlain). Russell beat him several times.

Speaking of Wilt, I love how people wax poetic about MJ's athleticism. 20 years ago, ESPN crowned him as the best athlete of the 20th century :roll:.

That was a joke. MJ isn't even the best athlete in NBA history. Wilt would cream him in anything. For example, if they competed in Track and Field, Chamberlain would murder him in any event. He was the fastest man on his team.

Another person who was a better athlete: Babe Didrikson Zaharias. For example, she was a better golfer and baseball player than your beloved role model was. Jim Thorpe was also a better athlete than MJ.

Also, what's sad is that John Elway wasn't on that list. He was great at two sports (he was a better baseball player than MJ ever was as well as being one of the best two or three QB's ever).

That list was ESPN propaganda, pure and simple.

Son, you want some of the asswhooping the Bron stans are getting? :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Son, you want some of the asswhooping the Bron stans are getting? :oldlol:
You’ve never asswhooped anyone on here my dude. All you do is wait around for other people who agree with your agenda to say something remotely witty or insightful and then you post something like “GOT HIS ASS!!!!!” or “DESTROYED!” You have no actual points of your own, you’re the DJ Khaled of ISH. And you couldn’t even keep your word. Inb4 some predictable variation of “u mad”

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=RRR3]You

[sportjames23]

blah blah blah gargle gargle gargle

You say sumthin

[ArbitraryWater]

https://i.gyazo.com/24cbd9fc98818ba5003e509e32ede3b2.png

[brutalBBQ]

:lol

#2 in everything. Nice work Mike



:no: 3/9

6/6

[lakerstekkenn]

I wonder how Kawhi would've did against Michael Cooper and Scottie Pippin and The Celtics that beat LeBron a Kobe also the Bad Boy Pistons, not good.

Because these teams today give up 150 points and play no defense.

Kawhi is good but Jordan is special and Kawhi is even better then Kobe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE2jXwZzJgg
The SHRUG GAME | Michael Jordan LEGENDARY 39 Pts, 6 3s in '92 Finals GM1 vs Blazers - 36 in 1st!



:kobe:
He's not even better then me :roll:

[egokiller]

I wonder how Kawhi would've did against Michael Cooper and Scottie Pippin and The Celtics that beat LeBron a Kobe also the Bad Boy Pistons, not good.

Because these teams today give up 150 points and play no defense.

Kawhi is good but Jordan is special and Kawhi is even better then Kobe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE2jXwZzJgg
The SHRUG GAME | Michael Jordan LEGENDARY 39 Pts, 6 3s in '92 Finals GM1 vs Blazers - 36 in 1st!



:kobe:
He's not even better then me :roll:

Kawhi is doing better than everyone else in this shit era of no handchecking and bad defensive rules but MJ would score 20ppg more than him under these similar conditions.

[TheMan]

He did face lopsided defeat but the teams were lopsided as well. As for Mailman having more points than MJ, well no because that's just false. The top 5 in playoff points are LBJ, MJ, Kareem, Kobe, Shaq: so: Mailmen isnt even close. Search the internet first if you dont know this stuff

~ Splash ~
Idiot, career regular season totals :facepalm

My point, Malone has scored more points total than MJ in his career, doesn't mean he's better...LBJ has more playoffs points than MJ but only because he's played a lot more playoffs games, doesn't mean he's the better player.

[Gus Hemmingway]

Idiot, career regular season totals :facepalm

My point, Malone has scored more points total than MJ in his career, doesn't mean he's better...LBJ has more playoffs points than MJ but only because he's played a lot more playoffs games, doesn't mean he's the better player.

Why does LeBron also have double the playoff rebounds and assists as well?

[TheMan]

Why does LeBron also have double the playoff rebounds and assists as well?
Uhhhh...a lot more games?

He also has a lot more turnovers and playoffs losses...because he's played more :confusedshrug:

[SpaceJam2]

Idiot, career regular season totals :facepalm

My point, Malone has scored more points total than MJ in his career, doesn't mean he's better...LBJ has more playoffs points than MJ but only because he's played a lot more playoffs games, doesn't mean he's the better player.

This guy is talking about regular season stats now :lol Damn you're too cute.

[SpaceJam2]

Uhhhh...a lot more games?

He also has a lot more turnovers and playoffs losses...because he's played more :confusedshrug:

Sorry in advance, this may hurt you:


The MJ vs LBJ comparison feels like 2016 when LBJ led all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

LeBron shoots a better percentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better percentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS% (NOT a typo)
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan:

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.

[OldSchoolBBall]

What does Kawhi do AS GOOD AS Jordan? Not even "better than" - just "as good as"? The answer is nothing. There is not one physical, mental, or skill attribute aside from POSSIBLY 3-point shooting, where Kawhi may be marginally better. When you add up ALL of the advantages Jordan had over Kawhi: far better athlete in every respect, better shooter, far better off-ball and post player, far better footwork, far better passer/playmaker, far better mental makeup and basketball IQ etc. and you realize that prime Jordan would be like 15-20% above Kawhi in terms of scoring numbers given similar situations. I honestly can't even believe people think this is a debate, or thought that it was at any point this postseason regardless of numbers. This is the videogame numbers era.

Kawhi was averaging like 35 ppg/55% FG through the EC playoffs, and we've seen what he's done at spurts in the Finals. What would Jordan do? :facepalm

[LAmbruh]

crazy

[Turbo Slayer]

:oldlol:

[AirBonner]

Kawhi was able to do more with less. MJ would have lost to the sixers with the same squad

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=Lakessss]If Jordan and Kawhi played 1v1 Kawhi would lock him up from every side of the court. Jordan is no match for Kawhi on the defensive side and Kawhi

[Bronbron23]

Kawhi was able to do more with less. MJ would have lost to the sixers with the same squad
This is beyond dumb. The 76rs are a joke. Did not get me wrong kawhi was amazing but hes no mj. The only thing he does better than mj is defence and threes and it's only by a hair. Kawhi is basically a much less athletic, less skilled, stiffer version of mj.

And I like kawhi alot. He's just no mj

[Prometheus]

Trash forum.

[305Baller]

:roll:

[TheMan]

Trash forum.
Serious hoops discussion happens here every once in a blue moon...imagine actually arguing a player that hasn't ever won one MVP is better than the consensus GOAT :oldlol:

[Manny98]

Sorry in advance, this may hurt you:
TheMan avoiding this post like the plague :roll:

[3ball]

Kawhi was able to do more with less. MJ would have lost to the sixers with the same squad

MJ beat a much better team than Philly:

1989 CLE:. 57 wins.... #1 SRS.... #2 defense.. 3 seed.. 3 perennial all-stars + Ron Harper
2019 PHI:. 51 wins.. #11 SRS.. #15 defense.. 4 seed.. 3 perennial all-stars + Brogdon


with a much worse team

1989 CHI:.. 47 wins.. #10 SRS.. #11 defense.. 6 seed.. 1 all-star
2019 TOR:. 58 wins.... #3 SRS.... #5 defense.. 2 seed.. 2 all-stars + Siakam/Gasol/Ibaka


So MJ would destroy Philly with that Raptor cast, and would 3-peat


Overall, the 19' Raptors had at least 5 players better than 89' Pippen (9.7 ppg in ECF)

[egokiller]

Serious hoops discussion happens here every once in a blue moon...imagine actually arguing a player that hasn't ever won one MVP is better than the consensus GOAT :oldlol:


The insecurity by those never having watched MJ is strong.

"oh shit... Lebron sucks and is 3/9... quick let's prop up Kawhi guys! Maybe?"

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Another one.

[TheMan]

Sorry in advance, this may hurt you:
Meh, you're comparing stats across different eras. Scoring has been way up compared to the 90s as a result of rule changes to benefit the offense. Of course James is gonna be a recipient of that. And Lol at including seasons of MJ as a 40 year old with gimpy knees playing hoops as a hobby :roll:

Truth is, MJ's best playoffs runs are still superior to James, even in an era that didn't handcuff defenses. That's why former coaches and NBA players who played with MJ all say he would absolutely destroy today's era.

Nice try

[Rico2016]

if MJ was on Kawhi's level he would have beaten the Pistons or Celtics in their prime.


+1

[Rico2016]

Sorry in advance, this may hurt you:


Bloodbath city

Close this up

[Manny98]

The insecurity by those never having watched MJ is strong.

"oh shit... Lebron sucks and is 3/9... quick let's prop up Kawhi guys! Maybe?"

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Another one.
Your so insecure you aboandoned your own account :oldlol:

[Rico2016]

Your so insecure you aboandoned your own account :oldlol:

Oh boy that was over quickly

[SouBeachTalents]

How the fck is this thread 13 pages :oldlol: It's ridiculous how insecure the Jordan stans can be, dude is the consensus GOAT, no need to fall for such obvious troll bait

[And1AllDay]

He definitely longer in shower

https://i.postimg.cc/J7c7FQLp/stephen_a_smiths.png

[SATAN]

Better defender, about to gentleman sweep the dynastic Warriors with no Pippen, something Jordan had no idea how to accomplish when facing great teams and not a lineup of mechanics and Janitors.
About to have 2 rings, 2 FMVP And is doing it in a much more advanced era. Going against the best shooter of all time, a defensive player of the year, finals mvp in Iggy, lockdown 3 and D Klay. Etc etc etc.

Never seen Jordan beat anyone close to this team.

It

:roll:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Yes he is. The media and ignorant people just want to hide it from you. I've seen both and Kawhi is a better player.

[Honor Boost]

Yes he is. The media and ignorant people just want to hide it from you. I've seen both and Kawhi is a better player.

+1 If MJ played with Pandemic P he would be stuck in the 1st round

Kawhi won a chip with Kyle Lowry. Kawhi > Jordan is the truth

[kawhileonard2]

They are the two best players from PG thru PF.

[Shooter]

He definitely longer in shower

:lebronamazed:

[AirBonner]

:lebronamazed:

It’s not that MJ wasn’t “big” it’s just Pippen was “huge”