Curry needs modern drive-kick/space strategy to get a lot of 3 attempts & score alot

[3ball]

Curry was an 18 ppg player on 5 three-point attempt (2010-2012), before modern drive-kick/space strategy allowed higher 3-pt volume

So he would average a lot less in prior eras where the drive-and-kick strategy didn't exist to get him the three-point attempts he needs to score a lot

FYI - Nash's Suns were #1 in attempts in 07' and 08 with 24 attempts, compared to today's league average of 32 - today's strategy is a different level from D'Antoni's original system
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[Kblaze8855]

You might as well say Kareem needed his eras proclivity to post up bigs to score a lot. You play to your league. The best players play their style then the league tries to mimic it....Jordan and Curry can both say that happened for them. Harden may as well much to all older fans disgust.

Players arent outside observers of the basketball played around them. People make the league follow them in their success.

Mikan made every team want a 7 footer because they couldnt be defended at 5 feet and goaltending was briefly legal. He was so unstoppable teams stalled to keep it from him......so we got a 24 second clock.

Russell made teams realize defense matters and defense and outlet passing starts a great offense.

Both of those guys plus Wilt and Kareem made every team wanna play through a big for decades. So all bigs...even ones who sucked...got touches.

Bird and Magic opened the game up and guys got more pass happy for a while.

Jordan came along and people(fair or not) blamed him for the rise in ISO play as an entire generation of wings grew up wanting to be him and combined with the slow it down beat em up Riley/Brown/JVG/Pop defensive era and expansion....left VC, Tmac, Kobe(eventually), Stackhouse and others on less talented teams playing great defenses that made them gun with their games largely built off watching and trying to copy Jordan. The league was largely in Jordans mold for 15ish years.

Till Steph people said a 3 point shooting team will always wilt in the playoffs. Teams won kicking it out off a big being doubled....but a guy who was a jumpshooter from range first and foremost?

Nah.

Then they did....and the league as usual leaned that way. Combine it with Lebron winning 3 rings driving and kicking....what do you expect?


Now Harden has every single high school guard learning stepbacks and how to draw fouls by finding random arms extended in the lane.


High school players watch youtube videos called "How To Draw Fouls Like JAMES HARDEN *FOR ELITE PLAYERS ONLY*"


And make these comments:


Belegendary 24
I did it and I had 16 free throws attempts bruh In one game


Great video man, keep up the great work. i love every video and this video was good as well especially for my game.




Tax Fax
4 months ago
I got a game tomorrow wish me luck.



Luka readily admits he studied Hardens game for the stepback and foul drawing. Kids everywhere are pulling up from 35 because of Steph.

I heard a rap line I had to laugh at a while back. It was about some guy trying to kill a witness and went

"And if you survive dont tell none......cause i'll shoot in the middle of the court like Dell son"



He has 30,000 kids trying to play like this:


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CriminalBigheartedCopperbutterfly-size_restricted.gif



The era your most influential players in dont just shape them...they shape the era by changing how teams play. Always have...always will.

If we get lucky another Shaq or Hakeem will come along but its likely if ones coming hes just gonna wanna stay slim and be Kevin Durant or Giannis. Tall kids want to handle it and drive or shoot from outside. The way Magic turned Steve Smith and Penny to point guards Durant and Giannis are turning guys like Bol Bol into faceup bigs with dreams of being guards:

https://media.giphy.com/media/RMNbLwWN8nFvkm0ys9/giphy.gif



Nobody wants to be Shaq now like nobody wants to be Rod Strickland with all those handles and no jumper.

You play ball. go find the 16 year olds in your city.

Most of the guards wanna be Steph or James Harden. The tall kids wanna be Kevin Durant.

The tall scrubs who didnt get in the game early settle for playing like traditional bigs. Where do most of the traditional big prospects come from? Africa and europe. American big kids wanna be guards. The big kids raised here....are wanna be guards mostly. Go look at a mock draft and see where all the traditional bigs are from. Congo. Angola. Eastern europe. The ones here are shaped by the NBA at a young age. When you get into basketball at 16 because youre big...thats when you stay old school. 8 year old on up ball player tall kid in America? Hes trying to handle it and shoot jumpers.

Steph and players like him make the era their own just as much as the era makes them who they are.

[Vino24]

MJ needed the best defenders in the league on his team to take the load off his shoulders

[JohnMax]

Curry averaged 18 ppg between 2010-2012

That's because he was drafted in 2009 you f*cking homo

[3ball]

That's because he was drafted in 2009 you f*cking homo
He wasn't a 1-and-done - he graduated like Duncan

But lol at another fan babying curry - the facts remain - Curry was an 18 ppg scorer at 5 three-point attempts (2010-2012) before modern drive-kick/space strategy allowed higher 3-pt volume

So he would average a lot less in prior eras where the drive-and-kick strategy didn't exist to get him the three-point attempts he needs to average a lot of pts
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[90sgoat]

The big kids raised here....are wanna be guards mostly. .

And they suck, big time.

American talent is at an all time low. Go look at any advanced metric for <25 year olds. It's more Euros than Americans and it's not even counting Luka and soon to be revived Zingis.

Americans are subpar talents now. Of course the 1% are going to give you a Durant or AD once in a while, but the vast majority are low fundamentals, over dribbling, chucking players, who don't know how to play in a team setting.

Look at how old Marc Gasol is absolutely destroying Cousins after easily disposing of "Mr. Face Up Big" in Embiid.

[3ball]

And Kblaze

everybody isn't the same - just because curry can be brought down by taking away one thing doesn't mean MJ and Kareem could.. for christ sakes... . That's the opposite of reality for goat scorers MJ and Kareem, obviously

If you reduce Curry's three-point attempts, he's can't average 23, let alone 33.. He was an 18 ppg scorer at 5 three-point attempts (2010-2012) before modern drive-kick/space strategy allowed higher 3-pt volume

So he would average a lot less in prior eras where the drive-and-kick strategy didn't exist to get him the three-point attempts he needs to average a lot of pts
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[Kblaze8855]

And they suck, big time.

American talent is at an all time low. Go look at any advanced metric for <25 year olds. It's more Euros than Americans and it's not even counting Luka and soon to be revived Zingis.

Americans are subpar talents now. Of course the 1% are going to give you a Durant or AD once in a while, but the vast majority are low fundamentals, over dribbling, chucking players, who don't know how to play in a team setting.

Look at how old Marc Gasol is absolutely destroying Cousins after easily disposing of "Mr. Face Up Big" in Embiid.

I dont know if disposing of is the right term. Gasol put up 9/6 that series and took more threes than Embiid. Gasol is a stretch big these days. He could play inside but hes rarely asked to. Hes taken 87 threes in these playoffs alone. Lamarcus Aldridge is known as a soft faceup shooting big and hes only taken 87 threes in 2 seasons. Gasol in one playoff run. Hes hardly a traditional style big these days.

[Kblaze8855]

And Kblaze

everybody isn't the same - just because curry can be brought down by taking away one thing doesn't mean MJ and Kareem could.. for christ sakes... . That's the opposite of reality for goat scorers MJ and Kareem, obviously

If you reduce Curry's three-point attempts, he's can't average 23, let alone 33.. He was an 18 ppg scorer at 5 three-point attempts (2010-2012) before modern drive-kick/space strategy allowed higher 3-pt volume

So he would average a lot less in prior eras where the drive-and-kick strategy didn't exist to get him the three-point attempts he needs to average a lot of pts
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Of what relevance is what would happen if a player played someone elses game?

Why should I care about it?

You care what Jordan would average if he played like Peja?

You talk about artificially inflated threes as if removing shots from someones game isnt an artificial hypothetical that means nothing in reality.

If Bill Russell came along after teams learned to focus on defense his impact wouldnt have been so great. He made his team an outlier.

We counting "if" now?

We go down that path we can "if" our way to any destination we wish to arrive at.

And you really need to stop with the word "cant". You entertain the wildest hypotheticals and act like they are as valid as facts from reality and then take any random stat or thing that happened and say it cant be any way other than the way it was. A young steph putting up less point than his prime version does not mean his prime version "cant" average more than 23 in 2012.

It just means his young version DIDNT. Didnt and cant are not the same thing. You out here clinging to what did and didnt happen when you want to but then insisting on wild hypotheticals to prove other things you say would be true in a world that doesnt exist.

Either favor reality or your fiction. You shouldnt be doing both at once.

[StrongLurk]

1-9

[Vino24]

Curry's 3pt game translates to 60% midrange. He does this while being double teamed constantly by half court :eek:

[ArbitraryWater]

He wasn't a 1-and-done - he graduated like Duncan

But lol at another fan babying curry - the facts remain - Curry was an 18 ppg scorer at 5 three-point attempts (2010-2012) before modern drive-kick/space strategy allowed higher 3-pt volume

So he would average a lot less in prior eras where the drive-and-kick strategy didn't exist to get him the three-point attempts he needs to average a lot of pts
.



do you actually feel intelectually honest when writing stuff like this down? u feel like your argument is solid, and not missing anything?

[3ball]

do you actually feel intelectually honest when writing stuff like this down? u feel like your argument is solid, and not missing anything?
Curry needs high 3-pt volume to have an elite scoring average.. :confusedshrug:

so he would average a lot less in prior eras where the drive-kick/spacing strategy didn't exist to get him the three-point attempts he needs to score a lot

He only started scoring more when his 3-pt attempts increased, thanks to offensive strategy evolving to increase attempts of the only thing he does great
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[Kblaze8855]

do you actually feel intelectually honest when writing stuff like this down? u feel like your argument is solid, and not missing anything?


He legit doesnt care that Curry played 28 games the season before he broke out and that he had Monta leading the league in minutes and being second in the NBA in shot attempts.

Curry was an injured young up and comer playing with a 25ppg combo guard in his way. Monta ellis took 22 shots a game with Steph on the team. Steph has never taken 22 shots a game in his career. Neither has KD. Harden never did till this year.

Clearly Monta was the lead guard at the time. What Steph might have scored given the freedom he had years later is impossible to know....not to mention he obviously got better as players do entering their primes.

Theres no good reason to even compare early Steph to prime stephs situation. Guy has ankle issues and starts 23 games one of those years and plays with a guy taking more shots than he did at any point in his career and we are supposed to assume he scored less because of the "era" and not being a young guy trying to earn a leadership position.

Obviously trading away 20 shots a night out of the backcourt increases the chance of the other guy to shine. Nobody trying to be reasonable ignores that.

[RRR3]

He legit doesnt care that Curry played 28 games the season before he broke out and that he had Monta leading the league in minutes and being second in the NBA in shot attempts.

Curry was an injured young up and comer playing with a 25ppg combo guard in his way. Monta ellis took 22 shots a game with Steph on the team. Steph has never taken 22 shots a game in his career. Neither has KD. Harden never did till this year.

Clearly Monta was the lead guard at the time. What Steph might have scored given the freedom he had years later is impossible to know....not to mention he obviously got better as players do entering their primes.

Theres no good reason to even compare early Steph to prime stephs situation. Guy has ankle issues and starts 23 games one of those years and plays with a guy taking more shots than he did at any point in his career and we are supposed to assume he scored less because of the "era" and not being a young guy trying to earn a leadership position.

Obviously trading away 20 shots a night out of the backcourt increases the chance of the other guy to shine. Nobody trying to be reasonable ignores that.
3ball probably will try to argue Monta was better than Curry.

[superduper]

Curry's anomalously historic shooting alone opened the flood gates for this era, 3ball.

[warriorfan]

3ball probably will try to argue Monta was better than Curry.

Probably

Monta Age 22 - 20/5/3.9 - 53% FG

Jordan Age 22 - 22/3.6/2.9/ - 45% FG





Monta > Jordan

[3ball]

He legit doesnt care that Curry played 28 games the season before he broke out and that he had Monta leading the league in minutes and being second in the NBA in shot attempts.

Curry was an injured young up and comer playing with a 25ppg combo guard in his way. Monta ellis took 22 shots a game with Steph on the team. Steph has never taken 22 shots a game in his career. Neither has KD. Harden never did till this year.

Clearly Monta was the lead guard at the time. What Steph might have scored given the freedom he had years later is impossible to know....not to mention he obviously got better as players do entering their primes.

Theres no good reason to even compare early Steph to prime stephs situation. Guy has ankle issues and starts 23 games one of those years and plays with a guy taking more shots than he did at any point in his career and we are supposed to assume he scored less because of the "era" and not being a young guy trying to earn a leadership position.

Obviously trading away 20 shots a night out of the backcourt increases the chance of the other guy to shine. Nobody trying to be reasonable ignores that.
Monta's shots were replaced by Klay/Dray and have nothing to do with it.. Heck, curry averages more threes alongside durant and klay than just monta - so the increase in Curry's 3-point attempts isn't monta - its due to advancement in drive-kick/spacing strategy that is designed to maximize threes.. the increased 3-pt attempts subsequently increased his overall ppg

Curry was an 18 ppg scorer at 5 three-point attempts (2010-2012) before modern space strategy allowed higher 3-pt volume

So he would average a lot less in prior eras where the drive-and-kick strategy didn't exist to get him the three-point attempts he needs to average a lot of pts

Fyi - In 2013, Curry's increase in shots attempts (3 attempts) is due entirely to his 3 additional three-point attempts - this caused his ppg to rise above 20 for the first time in his career - since then, his threes and PPG have continued to increase together
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[Kblaze8855]

An increase in shot attempts when your teams leading scorer is traded is not "due" to the kind of shots you take. The additional shots are "due" to to an increased role. Be they midrange, layups, 3s, or dunks. The kind of shot you take isnt the reason you got a shot.

The very notion that losing a guy who played 40 and 41 minutes and took 22, 20, and 19 shots a game right next to you doesnt increase your opportunity isnt worth talking about while you copy/paste a point nobody took serious the first time.

I genuinely dont understand the point of posting by copy/pasting. Literally 5 posts of the same "So he would average" bullshit and you would happily do it 66 more times if allowed. In what way is that not just spamming and trolling?

How many times could someone say word for word the same thing to you in person before you would conclude they are insane?

[sd3035]

Jordan would be a slightly stronger and more athletic Shaun Livingston in today's game

Probably a few all star selections, maybe a top 10 player

[bullettooth]

Jordan would be a slightly stronger and more athletic Shaun Livingston in today's game

Probably a few all star selections, maybe a top 10 player

https://i.postimg.cc/wvxK1FT7/lebron-troll.gif

[Vino24]

Probably

Monta Age 22 - 20/5/3.9 - 53% FG

Jordan Age 22 - 22/3.6/2.9/ - 45% FG





Monta > Jordan
3ball refute this

[DaHeezy]

Look at how old Marc Gasol is absolutely destroying Cousins after easily disposing of "Mr. Face Up Big" in Embiid.

I liked what you were saying. Up until this. Easily disposing? Lol. Going 7 games and won on a fluke shot wasn't easily disposing.

[nashwade]

he gets his points from pretending to fall down on almost every 3 point shot. pathetic.

[3ball]

Curry's anomalously historic shooting alone opened the flood gates for this era, 3ball.
Huh?

Curry needs a lot of 3-point attempts to score a lot - previous eras didn't have the strategy to get him a lot of attempts, so he'd average about 18 ppg in previous eras just like he did from 2010-2012

2010-2012 was before today's 3-pt strategy boosted his 3-pt attempts