Whose opinion do you respect/trust when it comes to basketball?

[elementally morale]

Your own. I know. But other than your personal opinion... who do you take seriously?

I often read people saying here this or that ex-player, HOF-er is not a good evaluator of talent. Jordan is bad, Magic is bad, etc. Usually: ex-players you don't agree with just don't understand the game.

Coaches? I always hear this or that coach is a moron. His strategy is shit (D'Antoni, Kerr, Thibodeau, you name it.) GMs? Same thing. This or that GM doesn't know what he is doing. All the time. Owners? Come on... they know nothing. Analysts? Just paid talking heads with agendas. Sports writers? Bullshit. The media? They are clueless. Marketing for the sheep.

So.

Whose opinion do you respect? Trust. Respect means: even if you do NOT agree with the person you listen to him. Think it through. Maybe even change your mind.

You can name particular person (i.e.: Hubie Brown) or a group of people (defensive coaches, statisticians, etc.) So who do you trust?

[Carbine]

KBald8855

[Shogon]

Jerry West, Bill Russell, Hubie Brown.

That's about it.

[stalkerforlife]

My own.

That's it.

[elementally morale]

KBald8855


You can name forum posters and I, too, have some whose opinions I take seriously. kblaze is one of them. Despite our friendly differences, Shogon is another. I can name a few others. But how about outside ISH?

[stalkerforlife]

Jerry West, Bill Russell, Hubie Brown.

That's about it.

"Please love my Bran."

"I trust people that reaffirm my agenda."

[elementally morale]

My own.

That's it.

That's nice and all but that way you won't really open your eyes to new things.

[Shogon]

"Please love my Bran."

"I trust people that reaffirm my agenda."

If you don't shut the **** up I am literally going to skull **** you.

[elementally morale]

"I trust people that reaffirm my agenda."

Yeah, it's common. We are human. We like when we can agree with someone well-known or when someone well-known agrees with us.

My question is this: who can make you change your opinion? Or at least make you think about it some more. Even if you disagree... you trust the guy and give his ideas a chance.

[Shogon]

Yeah, it's common. We are human. We like when we can agree with someone well-known or when someone well-known agrees with us.

My question is this: who can make you change your opinion? Or at least make you think about it some more. Even if you disagree... you trust the guy and give his ideas a chance.

You can shut the **** up too.

Here's the last thing Bill Russell said to LeBron James.



Hey, thank you for leaving me off your Mount Rushmore. I’m glad you did. Basketball is a team game, it’s not for individual honors. I won back-to-back state championships in high school, back-to-back NCAA championships in college, I won an NBA championship my first year in the league, an NBA championship in my last year, and nine in between. That, Mr. James, is etched in stone.

So, eat a dick, both of you. This thread has nothing to do with guys reaffirming my opinion... or with LeBron except stalker's sick **** obsession.

[stalkerforlife]

Yeah, it's common. We are human. We like when we can agree with someone well-known or when someone well-known agrees with us.

My question is this: who can make you change your opinion? Or at least make you think about it some more. Even if you disagree... you trust the guy and give his ideas a chance.

No one.

[Shogon]

No one.

Because you're not open to new information because you're stupid.

[elementally morale]

You can shut the **** up too.


I wasn't even talking about you, LOL. I jsut stated something rather obvious. It's a lot easier for us to take someone seriously if we agree with them. Not just in sport: in general.

My criterion for taking someone's opinion seriously is listening to him/her even when I'm in strong disagreement. I even named you as one example.

[RRR3]

Another thread where Orlando Magic and Stalker are basically making out. You two are obviously in love.

[stalkerforlife]

You can shut the **** up too.

Here's the last thing Bill Russell said to LeBron James.




So, eat a dick, both of you. This thread has nothing to do with guys reaffirming my opinion... or with LeBron except stalker's sick **** obsession.

Let me guess, all your guys have Bran over Kobe.

"Please love my Bran."

[Shogon]

I wasn't even talking about you, LOL. I jsut stated something rather obvious. It's a lot easier for us to take someone seriously if we agree with them. Not just in sport: in general.

My criterion for taking someone's opinion seriously is listening to him/her even when I'm in strong disagreement.

It's hard to take most people's opinions seriously, even when they're experts in their field.

Look at Jordan... he knows more about basketball than I will ever know. He's better than I ever even dreamed about being as a kid. Literally.

But he's not smart. And it shows. Most people are stupid. The guys I listed aren't. There are a few more. But they're rare.

I also like Jalen Rose. He's not always spot on but I take his opinion seriously.

[stalkerforlife]

Because you're not open to new information because you're stupid.

You don't need to say "because" twice.

Drop the first because.

[Shogon]

Let me guess, all your guys have Bran over Kobe.

"Please love my Bran."

Almost everyone who has ever played the game has LeBron over Kobe. You are a sick bastard. Literally ****ing obsessed. In fact, where's the last thread you participated in that wasn't LeBron focused or where you didn't bring up LeBron? ****ing sick ****.

[Shogon]

You don't need to say "because" twice.

Drop the first because.

Actually, it works.

Your opinion can't be moved by anyone because you're not open to new information... and you're not open to new information because you're stupid, moron.

[stalkerforlife]

Almost everyone who has ever played the game has LeBron over Kobe. You are a sick bastard. Literally ****ing obsessed. In fact, where's the last thread you participated in that wasn't LeBron focused or where you didn't bring up LeBron? ****ing sick ****.

So now you're a pathological liar.

I guarantee I can name more players that take Kobe over Bran, but I'm not going to waste my energy doing so.

Lying is admitting you're defeated.

[elementally morale]

But he's not smart. And it shows. Most people are stupid. The guys I listed aren't. There are a few more. But they're rare.

Most people are not very smart, indeed. But... I heard some of the wisest things said by not very smart men. They usually are dumb... and then... all of a sudden.. they say something very smart. It happens.




I also like Jalen Rose. He's not always spot on but I take his opinion seriously.


Gilbert Arenas is not bad. Tracy McGrady is sometimes spot on. And I like Barkley. He is just playing 95% of the time... but every now and then he says very interesting stuff.

[NBAGOAT]

Good gms active or former. Their job is player evaluation. West is an obvious one but there are others. Someone like Isiah Thomas not so much however even though tbf, he was a good drafter. Most coaches are pretty good even if they make some mistakes. You

[3ball]

I trust NBA.com's stats

That's the only thing guaranteed to be accurate

Otherwise, I've respected Jerry West's opinion at times

I believe the most knowledgeable basketball people and the people that should vote on the awards are coaches and team executives that scout players and provide critical input on deals

No one else should be able to vote on awards.. certainly not the dumbass media - they're just fans, and their only knowledgeable input should be tips on completing a journalism degree..
.

[ILLsmak]

I don't look to other people to drop knowledge per se. I just want to hear different perspectives, so a lot of people. Basically anyone who doesn't have obvious bias.

I like Bill Walton, Jeff van gundy, Doris Burke is cool when she does color, hubie is cool, most of the TV guys who are former players are cool. Chauncey has interesting takes. Reggie Miller.

On this forum anyone who tries to actually have their own opinion and expresses their point of view, which you'd think would be a lot of people, but not really. I miss a lot of old dudes, just people who would discuss not spam the same stupid shit.

We don't have to be right or even have that much idea what we're talking about but show us something that makes us think about bball, which is surprisingly nuanced.

Edit : Barkley has amazing intuition I think. Which is weird because always seems like a drunk dumbass but a lot of the shit he says turns out to be spot on. Not Always of course but more often than not.

-Smak

[Manny98]

Nick Wright
Jerry West
Isiah Thomas

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Respect AND trust?

I'd say I respect and trust Kobe's opinion. Those "detail" shows he put together were illuminating. You KNOW that he knows what he's talking about. And you respect what Kobe says because the guy is articulate and it makes sense. He recently said that the Rockets wouldn't win playing with Harden's style, got a lot of flack for it, but turned out to be correct.

Chuck and Kenny aren't bad. Chuck isn't the best prediction maker but his basketball talking points...make some sense. Ditto with Kenny.

TMac is pretty good. So are Billups and Jalen Rose.

Hubie Brown. Rick Barry. Jerry West far as old timers go.

Van Gundy was pretty good a few years back, but these days I don't know. He can be too 'color commentary' trying to analyze basketball.

[bison]

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]Good gms active or former. Their job is player evaluation. West is an obvious one but there are others. Someone like Isiah Thomas not so much however even though tbf, he was a good drafter. Most coaches are pretty good even if they make some mistakes. You

[RealSkipBayless]

Dray n klay
TheCorporation
Gus Hemmingway
Scuzzy
Spacejam
Spacejam2
Manny98
lambruh
Alternativeacc
Docs orders
Celticgangster
Fudge
And1AllDay
I

[Number34]

Probably a well-rounded coach who knows Xs and Os. OP brought up Hubie Brown and that's just a guy who I feel like has something insightful to say 80% of the time in his commentary, plus looking at his old videos at 5 Star... that's true basketball mind who can teach the game in a variety of ways.
I guess other coaches in the same vein could be Thibs, Pat Riley, Popovich. Plus the last two have front office experience as well showing that they can evaluate talent. Other than guys like that I'd say point guards.

[PeroAntic]

Jeff Van Gundy, Pop, Kobe, and Derrick Rose. Thats it.