The game was still tied/within a possession when Klay got injured

[superduper]

It sucks that the Warriors only had 3 allstars instead of 5 and it obviously would be a lot sweeter full strength vs full strength but it was still basically a tied back and forth when Klay went down. There are no guarantees that the Warriors win if Klay was still in the game like people are so confidently claiming. Also Iggy went absolutely off offensively like he never has in these past 5 finals.

Go...Raps...GO :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[Mr Feeny]

It sucks that the Warriors only had 3 allstars instead of 5 and it obviously would be a lot sweeter full strength vs full strength but it was still basically a tied back and forth when Klay went down. There are no guarantees that the Warriors win if Klay was still in the game like people are so confidently claiming. Also Iggy went absolutely off offensively like he never has in these past 5 finals.

Go...Raps...GO :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

The Raptors were 2-1 in games in which Klay played but Durant didnt. It would have been 3-1 if not for Durant scoring 11 on 5shots in 12 minutes to finish with a +6 in a 1 point win. The Raptors were out playing GS with Klay. He didnt matter. The Warrior's only chance would have been had KD been healthy.

[SouBeachTalents]

Y'all can't pretend Klay not playing the final 18 minutes when he was the best player on the floor and in what ended up being a one possession game didn't matter :lol

[Mr Feeny]

Y'all can't pretend Klay not playing the final 18 minutes when he was the best player on the floor and in what ended up being a one possession game didn't matter :lol

Nobody needs to "pretend" anything. The facts are that Rsptors had outplayed and were beating Golden State on the whole when Klay was playing. Klay was shooting 66% and was on fire and it was still only a 1 possession game despite that. At some point,you regress to the mean.

[Vino24]

If Curry had played like his regular season self this game wouldn't have been close :oldlol:

[Manny98]

Nobody needs to "pretend" anything. The facts are that Rsptors had outplayed and were beating Golden State on the whole when Klay was playing. Klay was shooting 66% and was on fire and it was still only a 1 possession game despite that. At some point,you regress to the mean.
The Warriors were 2-1 this series when Klay was able to play the full game

[LeCola]

Warriors have 5 stars, ok...

But, what about Raptors?

Kawhi?
Lowry?
Gasol?
Siakam?
Ibaka?

[FKAri]

Warriors have 5 stars, ok...

But, what about Raptors?

Kawhi?
Lowry?
Gasol?
Siakam?
Ibaka?
None of them lottery picks. ZERO. Rag tag band of scrubs that no one wanted picked up from the trash bin and molded by a brilliant organization. Built the right way: Organically.
:cheers:

[SouBeachTalents]

Nobody needs to "pretend" anything. The facts are that Rsptors had outplayed and were beating Golden State on the whole when Klay was playing. Klay was shooting 66% and was on fire and it was still only a 1 possession game despite that. At some point,you regress to the mean.
Logic dictates that if Klay was playing in what ended up being a one possession game, you'd have to assume he'd at minimum make up a one basket difference

We'll obviously never know for sure, but I think the Warriors win last night if Klay finishes the game

[GimmeThat]

Not a good trend for the NBA when young players starting to become injury prone

[superduper]

Logic dictates that if Klay was playing in what ended up being a one possession game, you'd have to assume he'd at minimum make up a one basket difference

We'll obviously never know for sure, but I think the Warriors win last night if Klay finishes the game

I get what you're trying to say but that's the incorrect logic and doesn't guarantee a victory. With Klay in the game all the variables change. No one knows what the end result would be. Klay was an absolute beast last night but again nothing guaranteed. It's all fantasy.

Warriors fought hard and with heart. Very commendable.

[Hey Yo]

I get what you're trying to say but that's the incorrect logic and doesn't guarantee a victory. With Klay in the game all the variables change. No one knows what the end result would be. Klay was an absolute beast last night but again nothing guaranteed. It's all fantasy.

Warriors fought hard and with heart. Very commendable.
So why have you said repeatedly that GS wins game 5 and the title in 2016 if Draymond plays?

[Elosha]

Raptors were clearly better than GS with only Klay. With Durant ... probably they wouldn't be, but it would still be close. I think the series goes 7 games with Durant and Klay at full strength. Raptors had great chemistry, balance, depth, and a closer in Kawhi. They kept GS off balance and on their heels the whole series, even with Klay at full strength.

[Mr Feeny]

Logic dictates that if Klay was playing in what ended up being a one possession game, you'd have to assume he'd at minimum make up a one basket difference

We'll obviously never know for sure, but I think the Warriors win last night if Klay finishes the game

Yeah, I understand what you're saying but I look at it a little differently. I dont think he could have continued to hit at the rate he was hitting because it was unsustainable. He did have Golden State up by a possession after shooting 66% from the field and from 3. At some point, you start missing. For all I know, you're right and they win the game. But in my opinion, we'll never know, because I dont think he would have stayed white hot the rest of the game. At some point, fatigue plays a role.

[NBAGOAT]

Yeah, I understand what you're saying but I look at it a little differently. I dont think he could have continued to hit at the rate he was hitting because it was unsustainable. He did have Golden State up by a possession after shooting 66% from the field and from 3. At some point, you start missing. For all I know, you're right and they win the game. But in my opinion, we'll never know, because I dont think he would have stayed white hot the rest of the game. At some point, fatigue plays a role.

Your point is true but kind of irrelevant. Klay just has to be more efficient than the guy he replaces those minutes which he is. Also takes away shots from less efficient shooters like iggy, dray, and even curry. Tor also cooled off the end of the game so saying he went out when the game was tied is simplistic. It is uncertain what happens however but it’s logical to say gs has a good chance of winning.

On the whole, looneys injury was an underrated loss. Having cousins in killed their defense which was really the reason they lost. Having to play cook for offense really hurt too. Tbf curry had a bad defensive series too.

[Mr Feeny]

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]Your point is true but kind of irrelevant. Klay just has to be more efficient than the guy he replaces those minutes which he is. Also takes away shots from less efficient shooters like iggy, dray, and even curry. Tor also cooled off the end of the game so saying he went out when the game was tied is simplistic. It is uncertain what happens however but it

[dazzer87]

Curry only 4 points when Klay got hurt................... Need mo help

[ArbitraryWater]

Logic dictates that if Klay was playing in what ended up being a one possession game, you'd have to assume he'd at minimum make up a one basket difference

We'll obviously never know for sure, but I think the Warriors win last night if Klay finishes the game

disagree because 3-4 times refs kept GSW alive/at the line, those baskets could have been Klay's and it comes out to much the same.

[coin24]

Cause curry shrivels on the big stage. Fkn loser

[aj1987]

Nobody needs to "pretend" anything. The facts are that Rsptors had outplayed and were beating Golden State on the whole when Klay was playing. Klay was shooting 66% and was on fire and it was still only a 1 possession game despite that. At some point,you regress to the mean.
Have you ever watched a minute of basketball. Klay was BY FAR their player on the court offensively AND defensively. The Warriors got bailed out by a ton of calls in the end, which otherwise, been a game which was a complete blowout. Klay was massive for the Warriors. Klay was a +5 for the game. The rest of the Warriors (ones in +) COMBINED were a +5.

[LeCola]

None of them lottery picks. ZERO. Rag tag band of scrubs that no one wanted picked up from the trash bin and molded by a brilliant organization. Built the right way: Organically.
:cheers:

Are you you sure that is organic?

Kawhi - Drafted by Spurs, traded to Raptors :confusedshrug:
Lowry - Drafted by Grizzlies, traded to Raptors :confusedshrug:
Gasol - Drafted by Lakers&Grizzlies, traded to Raptors :confusedshrug:
Siakam - Drafted by Raptors
Ibaka - Drafted by OKC, traded to Raptors :confusedshrug:

[Mr Feeny]

Are you you sure that is organic?

Kawhi - Drafted by Spurs, traded to Raptors :confusedshrug:
Lowry - Drafted by Grizzlies, traded to Raptors :confusedshrug:
Gasol - Drafted by Lakers&Grizzlies, traded to Raptors :confusedshrug:
Siakam - Drafted by Raptors
Ibaka - Drafted by OKC, traded to Raptors :confusedshrug:

He means none of them were top 15 picks. And I think shannon Sharp confirmed this on their show this morning.

[LeCola]

He means none of them were top 15 picks. And I think shannon Sharp confirmed this on their show this morning.

They are not lottery pick, ok. But, Raptors didn't draft them, so how would that be organic? They were star players before Raptors traded them.

Kawhi - FMVP, 2x DPOY before trade
Lowry - He developed after trade, I agree for him
Gasol - DPOY, 3x all-star before trade
Ibaka - 3x All-Defensive before trade

[3ball]

It was idiotic for Klay to try to dunk that

He got injured because he couldn't jump high enough to make that dunk, not because of bad luck

Lol at people acting like it was a bad break

[aj1987]

It was idiotic for Klay to try to dunk that

He got injured because he couldn't jump high enough to make that dunk, not because of bad luck

Lol at people acting like it was a bad break
Is shit athleticism why Ordan broke his leg, you autistic ****?

[moongaze]

Warriors fans are pathetic.

[ImKobe]

Klay having a serious knee injury not only took away the spacing on offense and had the Warriors playing 5 non-shooters to start the 4th but also hurt the team's morale that had already lost Durant for the season.

It was a two-possession game (GS up 5 after his FTs) when he got injured, the Warriors were +5 with Klay in 32 minutes and he had 12 points in the 3rd. They had outscored the Raptors by 11 points in 6 minutes in the middle of the 3rd before the injury, Cousins obviously had to foul intentionally to bring it within 3 but they were clearly outplaying the Raptors.

[3ball]

Is shit athleticism why Ordan broke his leg, you autistic ****?
He slipped after the dunk because he didn't get up high enough and infact missed the dunk

So it wasn't bad luck like mj's broken foot - Klay just couldn't jump high enough and made a bonehead play, missed dunk

So a combination of dumbness and non-elite athleticism is why Klay got injured, so that's on him - too weak and dumb to win

Cheers

[Pacquiao]

Warriors fans are pathetic.


Raptors fans are actually pathetic thinking they beat a full healthy GSW team. Imagine Warriors beating this team without Leonard and Lowry

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

Raptors fans are actually pathetic thinking they beat a full healthy GSW team. Imagine Warriors beating this team without Leonard and Lowry
They can't beat Durant, but they beat the Warriors without him, just like Lebron did

Klay missing the last quarter of Game 6 was offset by Durant's 1 quarter boost in game 5 - so Klay only missed 1 game, just like draymond in 16'

The injury narrative is simply overblown by curry lovers - but 5 Finals and no MVP's let's you know that he isn't as good as you want him to be... Heck, simple shading or a box and 1 shuts him down, because he can't adjust and go to the post or do anything other than 3's..

[bigkingsfan]

They can't beat Durant, but they beat the Warriors without him, just like Lebron did

Klay missing the last quarter of Game 6 was offset by Durant's 1 quarter boost in game 5 - so Klay only missed 1 game, just like draymond in 16'

The injury narrative is simply overblown by curry lovers - but 5 Finals and no MVP's let's you know that he isn't as good as you want him to be... Heck, simple shading or a box and 1 shuts him down, because he can't adjust and go to the post or do anything other than 3's..
You do know Kobe went 0-5 for FMVP...

[3ball]

You do know Kobe went 0-5 for FMVP...
Kobe wasn't the best player on his team for most of those

then Kobe won 2, thus proving he was on the top level

But the reality is that Kobe would've swept these Warriors - if Kawhi can beat the Warriors in 6 games with healthy edges in team ppg and ORtg, then Kobe would sweep these Warriors for sure... Kobe is a lot better than Kawhi

[bigkingsfan]

Kobe wasn't the best player on his team for most of those

then Kobe won 2, thus proving he was on the top level

But the reality is that Kobe would've swept these Warriors - if Kawhi can beat the Warriors in 6 games with healthy edges in team ppg and ORtg, then Kobe would sweep these Warriors for sure... Kobe is a lot better than Kawhi
Kobe never even had a better playoff run than Leonard this year.

[3ball]

Kobe never even had a better playoff run than Leonard this year.
Kobe didn't play in this era of record offense, spacing, hands-off defense and freedom of movement mandates

But kawhi's inferior skills got it done, so we know Kobe would do much better...

It's just unfortunate that the best scoring skillset ever (the MJ skillset that Kobe and Kawhi emulated), didn't get to play in this era designed to benefit the ball-handler... :facepalm .. :(

[bigkingsfan]

Kobe didn't play in this era of record offense, spacing, hands-off defense and freedom of movement mandates

But kawhi's inferior skills got it done, so we know Kobe would do much better...

It's just unfortunate that the best scoring skillset ever (the MJ skillset that Kobe and Kawhi emulated), didn't get to play in this era designed to benefit the ball-handler... :facepalm .. :(
30 point scorer this year - one
30 points scorer in 2006 - three

[superduper]

Raptors fans are actually pathetic thinking they beat a full healthy GSW team. Imagine Warriors beating this team without Leonard and Lowry

When did we once say we beat a healthy GSW team. Wtf are you reading :oldlol:

[SpaceJammeR]

if you believe klay wouldn't have made a difference you're an idiot.

[3ball]

30 point scorer this year - one
30 points scorer in 2006 - three
League-wide ortg and TS reached record highs each of the last 3 years - Kobe would average 40 in today's freedom of movement, spaced-out, hands-off league

no one in today's game has Kobe's skillset - Kawhi is a slower, less explosive, less repertoire, weaker jumpshooting version of kobe

[bigkingsfan]

League-wide ortg and TS reached record highs each of the last 3 years - Kobe would average 40 in today's freedom of movement, spaced-out, hands-off league

no one in today's game has Kobe's skillset - Kawhi is a slower, less explosive, less repertoire, weaker jumpshooting version of kobe
That has to do with three point shooting.
Kobe in 2016 - 6.5 three attempted per game
Leonard - 5

[3ball]

That has to do with three point shooting.
Kobe in 2016 - 6.5 three attempted per game
Leonard - 5
Threes provide spacing, which opens up everything - the wide open driving lanes give defenders no chance to cover the ground

Kawhi is a slower, less explosive, less repertoire, weaker jumpshooting version of kobe, so Kobe would exceed anything Kawhi does

[Draz]

If Curry had played like his regular season self this game wouldn't have been close :oldlol:
Instead he played like his regular post season self :roll:

[bigkingsfan]

Threes provide spacing, which opens up everything - the wide open driving lanes give defenders no chance to cover the ground

Kawhi is a slower, less explosive, less repertoire, weaker jumpshooting version of kobe, so Kobe would exceed anything Kawhi does
More threes would make an offense predictable, it wouldn't open up everything.

[RRR3]

Threes provide spacing, which opens up everything - the wide open driving lanes give defenders no chance to cover the ground

Kawhi is a slower, less explosive, less repertoire, weaker jumpshooting version of kobe, so Kobe would exceed anything Kawhi does
Kawhi is a better shooter than Kobe you idiot.

[3ball]

More threes would make an offense predictable, it wouldn't open up everything.

Only when the team isn't elite at anything else (Warriors) - then threes get predictable

But Kobe and Kawhi can never be locked down because



The difference between many good and great teams — and, indeed, many good and great players — is what they do in the last five seconds of the shot clock when the plan breaks down. Even the most prepared teams will run into those situations, particularly against great defenses. [I]The deeper a team gets in the 24-second shot clock, the more difficult it becomes for that team to find layup and three-point opportunities, and the ability to knock down the mid-range jumper thus becomes king

https://the-cauldron.com/lost-art-the-mid-range-jumper-64b64fa0f081


Except Kobe had a much better midrange jumpshot and repertoire than kawhi

[bigkingsfan]

Except Kobe had a much better midrange jumpshot and repertoire than kawhi
He doesn't. Pretty/bad selection is not better than effective.

[3ball]

He doesn't. Pretty/bad selection is not better than effective.

.................eFG% All Jumpshots

Kawhi 2017 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 50.8%, 437/1008<----- kawhi's highest volume & efficiency year

Bryant 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.5%, 709/1724 <----- nearly twice the volume with elite efficiency


Kobe can get a jumpshot in infinitely more ways - he's just a better jumpshooter
.

[aj1987]

He slipped after the dunk because he didn't get up high enough and infact missed the dunk

So it wasn't bad luck like mj's broken foot - Klay just couldn't jump high enough and made a bonehead play, missed dunk

So a combination of dumbness and non-elite athleticism is why Klay got injured, so that's on him - too weak and dumb to win

Cheers
Is shit athleticism why Ordan broke his leg, you autistic ****?


Kobe can get a jumpshot in infinitely more ways - he's just a better jumpshooter:roll: :roll:

Brick is not a better shooter than Kawhi. That's just a fact, you inbred retard.

[ImKobe]

.................eFG% All Jumpshots

Kawhi 2017 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 50.8%, 437/1008<----- kawhi's highest volume & efficiency year

Bryant 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.5%, 709/1724 <----- nearly twice the volume with elite efficiency


Kobe can get a jumpshot in infinitely more ways - he's just a better jumpshooter
.

People don't understand volume. Kobe could be as efficient as anyone. It's crazy that he was even 46.5% eFG with the roster he had around him, constantly doubled off the ball and tripled in the post during the 2006 season.

[bigkingsfan]

.................eFG% All Jumpshots

Kawhi 2017 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 50.8%, 437/1008<----- kawhi's highest volume & efficiency year

Bryant 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.5%, 709/1724 <----- nearly twice the volume with elite efficiency


Kobe can get a jumpshot in infinitely more ways - he's just a better jumpshooter
.
Thanks for proving my point, Kawhi is more effective. 4% is huge

[ArbitraryWater]

People don't understand volume. Kobe could be as efficient as anyone. It's crazy that he was even 46.5% eFG with the roster he had around him, constantly doubled off the ball and tripled in the post during the 2006 season.

:roll: :roll:

[aj1987]

People don't understand volume. Kobe could be as efficient as anyone. It's crazy that he was even 46.5% eFG with the roster he had around him, constantly doubled off the ball and tripled in the post during the 2006 season.
Dude was a dog shit shooter, no matter what. Those are facts.

[3ball]

Dude was a dog shit shooter, no matter what. Those are facts



Kobe clearly shot better at higher volume:


Effective FG% on all jumpshots for Lebron & Kobe


.................eFG% All Jumpshots

Lebron 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 35.6%, 324/998
Lebron 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.9%, 400/1136
Lebron 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.7%, 423/1166
Lebron 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.5%, 372/1066
Lebron 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.4%, 338/1001
Lebron 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 42.2%, 366/1024
Lebron 2010 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.4%, 356/970
Lebron 2011 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.4%, 393/968
Lebron 2012 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.7%, 290/726
Lebron 2013 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 49.0%, 333/784
Lebron 2014 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2013-14&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.0%, 288/736
Lebron 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.1%, 280/788
Lebron 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.0%, 181/543

Bryant 2000 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 38.5%, 328/851
Bryant 2001 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.0%, 460/1141
Bryant 2002 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.8%, 478/1184
Bryant 2003 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2002-03&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.1%, 597/1494
Bryant 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 40.3%, 282/787
Bryant 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.5%, 346/947
Bryant 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.5%, 709/1724
Bryant 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.7%, 556/1358
Bryant 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.6%, 468/1217
Bryant 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.0%, 519/1285



^^^^^ Lebron's efficiency increased when his volume went down after his first Cleveland stint - he shoots better at the lower volume, and was far behind Kobe's efficiency at the higher volume...

Kobe's ability to get jumpers in infinitely more ways (repertoire) allows him to have better efficiency at higher volume levels - he's simply a much better jumpshooter

[Hey Yo]

Kobe clearly shot better at higher volume:


Effective FG% on all jumpshots for Lebron & Kobe


.................eFG% All Jumpshots

Lebron 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 35.6%, 324/998
Lebron 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.9%, 400/1136
Lebron 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.7%, 423/1166
Lebron 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.5%, 372/1066
Lebron 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.4%, 338/1001
Lebron 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 42.2%, 366/1024
Lebron 2010 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.4%, 356/970
Lebron 2011 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.4%, 393/968
Lebron 2012 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.7%, 290/726
Lebron 2013 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 49.0%, 333/784
Lebron 2014 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2013-14&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.0%, 288/736
Lebron 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.1%, 280/788
Lebron 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.0%, 181/543

Bryant 2000 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 38.5%, 328/851
Bryant 2001 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.0%, 460/1141
Bryant 2002 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.8%, 478/1184
Bryant 2003 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2002-03&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.1%, 597/1494
Bryant 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 40.3%, 282/787
Bryant 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.5%, 346/947
Bryant 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.5%, 709/1724
Bryant 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.7%, 556/1358
Bryant 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.6%, 468/1217
Bryant 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.0%, 519/1285



^^^^^ Lebron's efficiency increased when his volume went down after his first Cleveland stint - he shoots better at the lower volume, and was far behind Kobe's efficiency at the higher volume...

Kobe's ability to get jumpers in infinitely more ways (repertoire) allows him to have better efficiency at higher volume levels - he's simply a much better jumpshooter
LOL @ conveniently leaving off half of Kobe's seasons.

[aj1987]

Kobe clearly shot better at higher volume:


Effective FG% on all jumpshots for Lebron & Kobe


.................eFG% All Jumpshots

Lebron 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 35.6%, 324/998
Lebron 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.9%, 400/1136
Lebron 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.7%, 423/1166
Lebron 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.5%, 372/1066
Lebron 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.4%, 338/1001
Lebron 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 42.2%, 366/1024
Lebron 2010 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.4%, 356/970
Lebron 2011 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.4%, 393/968
Lebron 2012 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.7%, 290/726
Lebron 2013 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 49.0%, 333/784
Lebron 2014 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2013-14&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.0%, 288/736
Lebron 2015 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.1%, 280/788
Lebron 2016 (http://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.0%, 181/543

Bryant 2000 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 38.5%, 328/851
Bryant 2001 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.0%, 460/1141
Bryant 2002 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.8%, 478/1184
Bryant 2003 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2002-03&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.1%, 597/1494
Bryant 2004 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 40.3%, 282/787
Bryant 2005 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.5%, 346/947
Bryant 2006 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.5%, 709/1724
Bryant 2007 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.7%, 556/1358
Bryant 2008 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.6%, 468/1217
Bryant 2009 (http://stats.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.0%, 519/1285



^^^^^ Lebron's efficiency increased when his volume went down after his first Cleveland stint - he shoots better at the lower volume, and was far behind Kobe's efficiency at the higher volume...

Kobe's ability to get jumpers in infinitely more ways (repertoire) allows him to have better efficiency at higher volume levels - he's simply a much better jumpshooter
Kobe in the Playoffs:

5640 points in 220 PO games

LeBron in the Playoffs:

6911 in 239 PO games

+1200 points in 16 games more played for LeBron

Kobe PPG in the PO's:

25.6 PPG

LeBron PPG in the PO's:

28.9 PPG

+3.3 PPG

Kobe efficiency in the PO's:

54.1% TS

LeBron efficiency in the PO's:

57.9% TS

+3.8% more efficient

In short, LeBron scores 3.3 PPG more than Kobe in the PO's on 3.8% better efficiency.

Doesn't end there.

50 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 1 (you Brick turds consider his to be the GOAT scorer and he has ONE 50pt game in the PO's?)

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 5

LeBron - 11

40 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 27

35 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 39

LeBron - 56

30 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 88

LeBron - 110

25 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 123

LeBron - 165

20 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 167

LeBron - 214

LeBron has scored under 20 points only 25 times in his career. Kobe did it 53 times. There's something Kobe can beat LeBron at.

I know you idiots are going to say LeBron was facing wack competition in the East.

Lets look at the Finals numbers, shall we?

Kobe PPG in the Finals:

25.3 PPG

LeBron PPG in the Finals:

28.3 PPG

Kobe efficiency in the Finals:

51% TS

LeBron efficiency in the Finals:

56% TS

LeBron scores 3 more PPG on 5% better efficiency than Kobe in the Finals. LeBron does this while facing significantly better competition, BTW.

Lets go in a bit deeper.

50 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

40 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 1 (:roll: :roll: )

LeBron - 7

35 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 4

LeBron - 11

30 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 20

25 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 22

LeBron - 33

20 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 30

LeBron - 41


These are some number I stopped doing since a while ago.

LeBron - Kobe Midrange


LeBron:
74 183
108 302
111 294
155 349
153 411
204 471
180 454
201 499
167 466
167 485
205 539
156 418
111 315


Kobe:
226 556
234 605
290 705
139 383
101 263
322 768
257 604
236 615
295 680
218 506
167 447
195 469
152 378
5 18
81 208
74 237


LeBron:
(74+108+111+155+153+204+180+201+167+167+205+156+11 1)/(183+302+294+349+411+471+454+499+466+485+539+418+3 15)

38.41%

Kobe:
(226+234+290+139+101+322+257+236+295+218+167+195+1 52+74+81+5)/(556+605+705+383+263+768+604+615+680+506+447+469+3 78+237+208+18)

40.20%


LeBron - Kobe Jumpshooting

Since '01, Kobe took 13.35 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 5.29 of them at 39.66%. LeBron, since '06 (his first PO's), took 13.53 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 4.75 of them at 35.06%.

I'm not a cherrypicking retard like you. LeBron is literally under a made shot away from matching Kobe.


Go jump off a cliff, you retard.

[Vino24]

LOL @ conveniently leaving off half of Kobe's seasons.
3ball exposed again :roll:

[3ball]

LOL @ conveniently leaving off Kobe's first 2 seasons.
The stats were originally comparing MJ and lebron - Kobe was a late addition, and yes, I didn't feel the need to add every single season for him, especially years where he barely played - it's time-consuming

I could add the other years and it doesn't change the facts - lebron's efficiency increased when his volume went down after his first Cleveland stint - he shoots better at the lower volume, and was far behind Kobe's efficiency at the higher volume...

Kobe's ability to get jumpers in infinitely more ways (repertoire) allows him to have better efficiency at higher volume levels - he's simply a much better jumpshooter

[Vino24]

The stats were originally comparing MJ and lebron - Kobe was a late addition, and yes, I didn't feel the need to add every single season for him, especially years where he barely played - it's time-consuming

I could add the other years and it doesn't change the facts - lebron's efficiency increased when his volume went down after his first Cleveland stint - he shoots better at the lower volume, and was far behind Kobe's efficiency at the higher volume...

Kobe's ability to get jumpers in infinitely more ways (repertoire) allows him to have better efficiency at higher volume levels - he's simply a much better jumpshooter
Volume shooting is low iq. You want the highest percentage shots. LeBron scores much more on much less shots

[3ball]

Kobe in the Playoffs:

5640 points in 220 PO games

LeBron in the Playoffs:

6911 in 239 PO games

+1200 points in 16 games more played for LeBron

Kobe PPG in the PO's:

25.6 PPG

LeBron PPG in the PO's:

28.9 PPG

+3.3 PPG

Kobe efficiency in the PO's:

54.1% TS

LeBron efficiency in the PO's:

57.9% TS

+3.8% more efficient

In short, LeBron scores 3.3 PPG more than Kobe in the PO's on 3.8% better efficiency.

Doesn't end there.

50 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 1 (you Brick turds consider his to be the GOAT scorer and he has ONE 50pt game in the PO's?)

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 5

LeBron - 11

40 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 27

35 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 39

LeBron - 56

30 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 88

LeBron - 110

25 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 123

LeBron - 165

20 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 167

LeBron - 214

LeBron has scored under 20 points only 25 times in his career. Kobe did it 53 times. There's something Kobe can beat LeBron at.

I know you idiots are going to say LeBron was facing wack competition in the East.

Lets look at the Finals numbers, shall we?

Kobe PPG in the Finals:

25.3 PPG

LeBron PPG in the Finals:

28.3 PPG

Kobe efficiency in the Finals:

51% TS

LeBron efficiency in the Finals:

56% TS

LeBron scores 3 more PPG on 5% better efficiency than Kobe in the Finals. LeBron does this while facing significantly better competition, BTW.

Lets go in a bit deeper.

50 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

40 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 1 (:roll: :roll: )

LeBron - 7

35 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 4

LeBron - 11

30 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 20

25 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 22

LeBron - 33

20 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 30

LeBron - 41


These are some number I stopped doing since a while ago.

LeBron - Kobe Midrange


LeBron:
74 183
108 302
111 294
155 349
153 411
204 471
180 454
201 499
167 466
167 485
205 539
156 418
111 315


Kobe:
226 556
234 605
290 705
139 383
101 263
322 768
257 604
236 615
295 680
218 506
167 447
195 469
152 378
5 18
81 208
74 237


LeBron:
(74+108+111+155+153+204+180+201+167+167+205+156+11 1)/(183+302+294+349+411+471+454+499+466+485+539+418+3 15)

38.41%

Kobe:
(226+234+290+139+101+322+257+236+295+218+167+195+1 52+74+81+5)/(556+605+705+383+263+768+604+615+680+506+447+469+3 78+237+208+18)

40.20%


LeBron - Kobe Jumpshooting

Since '01, Kobe took 13.35 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 5.29 of them at 39.66%. LeBron, since '06 (his first PO's), took 13.53 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 4.75 of them at 35.06%.

I'm not a cherrypicking retard like you. LeBron is literally under a made shot away from matching Kobe.


Go jump off a cliff, you retard.
Your stats aren't linked like mine are, so we can't verify yours - you expect anyone to read or believe your scribbling itt?... :yaohappy:

But your stats show the same thing as mine - Lebron's efficiency increased when his volume went down after his first Cleveland stint - he shoots better at the lower volume, and was far behind Kobe's efficiency at the higher volume...

Kobe's ability to get jumpers in infinitely more ways (repertoire) allows him to have better efficiency at higher volume levels - he's simply a much better jumpshooter

[aj1987]

Kobe's ability to get jumpers in infinitely more ways (repertoire) allows him to have better efficiency at higher volume levels - he's simply a much better jumpshooter
I really hope that you are neutered. Do not want the autism spreading.

BTW, you know that Kobe averaged 22 PPG on 38% over his first 4 Finals, right?

[3ball]

Volume shooting is low iq. You want the highest percentage shots. LeBron scores much more on much less shots
Kobe shoots much better at high volume, so he's a better jumpshooter

Defenders also play him closer because they're more worried about his jumper than Bron, and less worried about his drive than Bron

Kobe also got his jumpers quicker and with better teamwork, while lebron's team flow and teamwork sucked because he was dribbling the ball longer than anyone ever has (a record 12.2 minutes per game in the 15' Finals, or 30% more than 19' Harden.. cringe)

[3ball]

I really hope that you are neutered. Do not want the autism spreading.

BTW, you know that Kobe averaged 22 PPG on 38% over his first 4 Finals, right?


Yes but that includes his 2 worst Finals - if we include lebron's 2 worst Finals, any 4 Finals stretch looks equally bad.. nice try though

[aj1987]

Your stats aren't linked like mine are, so we can't verify yours - you expect anyone to read or believe your scribbling itt?... :
I've literally never fudged a single stat in my life and if I even made a mistake, I owned up to it, you inbred ******. I'm not your kind.


But your stats show the same thing as mine - Lebron's efficiency increased when his volume went down after his first Cleveland stint - he shoots better at the lower volume, and was far behind Kobe's efficiency at the higher volume...
Kobe's career high in Playoff efficiency is 58.7% over 7 games in '06 and he averaged 27.9 PPG.

LeBron on better efficiency:

2014 - 27.4 PPG (20 Games) 66.8% TS

2017 - 32.8 PPG (17 Games) 64.9% TS

2018 - 34 PPG (22 Games) 61.9% TS

2009 - 35.3 PPG (14 Games) 61.8% TS

2010 - 29.1 PPG (11 Games) 60.7% TS




Kobe's ability to get jumpers in infinitely more ways (repertoire) allows him to have better efficiency at higher volume levels - he's simply a much better jumpshooter
FACTS:

Kobe in the Playoffs:

5640 points in 220 PO games

LeBron in the Playoffs:

6911 in 239 PO games

+1200 points in 16 games more played for LeBron

Kobe PPG in the PO's:

25.6 PPG

LeBron PPG in the PO's:

28.9 PPG

+3.3 PPG

Kobe efficiency in the PO's:

54.1% TS

LeBron efficiency in the PO's:

57.9% TS

+3.8% more efficient

In short, LeBron scores 3.3 PPG more than Kobe in the PO's on 3.8% better efficiency.

Doesn't end there.

50 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 1 (you Brick turds consider his to be the GOAT scorer and he has ONE 50pt game in the PO's?)

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 5

LeBron - 11

40 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 27

35 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 39

LeBron - 56

30 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 88

LeBron - 110

25 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 123

LeBron - 165

20 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 167

LeBron - 214

LeBron has scored under 20 points only 25 times in his career. Kobe did it 53 times. There's something Kobe can beat LeBron at.

I know you idiots are going to say LeBron was facing wack competition in the East.

Lets look at the Finals numbers, shall we?

Kobe PPG in the Finals:

25.3 PPG

LeBron PPG in the Finals:

28.3 PPG

Kobe efficiency in the Finals:

51% TS

LeBron efficiency in the Finals:

56% TS

LeBron scores 3 more PPG on 5% better efficiency than Kobe in the Finals. LeBron does this while facing significantly better competition, BTW.

Lets go in a bit deeper.

50 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

40 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 1 (:roll: :roll: )

LeBron - 7

35 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 4

LeBron - 11

30 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 20

25 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 22

LeBron - 33

20 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 30

LeBron - 41


These are some number I stopped doing since a while ago.

LeBron - Kobe Midrange


LeBron:
74 183
108 302
111 294
155 349
153 411
204 471
180 454
201 499
167 466
167 485
205 539
156 418
111 315


Kobe:
226 556
234 605
290 705
139 383
101 263
322 768
257 604
236 615
295 680
218 506
167 447
195 469
152 378
5 18
81 208
74 237


LeBron:
(74+108+111+155+153+204+180+201+167+167+205+156+11 1)/(183+302+294+349+411+471+454+499+466+485+539+418+3 15)

38.41%

Kobe:
(226+234+290+139+101+322+257+236+295+218+167+195+1 52+74+81+5)/(556+605+705+383+263+768+604+615+680+506+447+469+3 78+237+208+18)

40.20%


LeBron - Kobe Jumpshooting

Since '01, Kobe took 13.35 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 5.29 of them at 39.66%. LeBron, since '06 (his first PO's), took 13.53 jumpshots a game in the PO's and made 4.75 of them at 35.06%.

I'm not a cherrypicking retard like you. LeBron is literally under a made shot away from matching Kobe.


Go jump off a cliff, you retard.

[RealSkipBayless]

Is AJ stepping out of line again?

Do we need to get his forum bully Mr. Feeny in here?

[aj1987]

Is AJ stepping out of line again?

Do we need to get his forum bully Mr. Feeny in here?
That little girl absolutely despises Kobe, so he's not gonna be much help to you kid.

Sorry if the facts hurt your feelings though. :cheers: