How many Finals games does LBJ win as the 4th highest scorer on his team?

[SpaceJam2]

Which team did he play on that would win a Finals game when he was the 4th highest scorer like Kawhi did last night?

[BigKobeFan]

I know James won a chip on a team where he only scored 6 points in a game.

[coin24]

In which decade will wheels lose his virginity??

[Doranku]

None because LeBron is incapable of being a positive contributor on a basketball team unless he's getting his stats.

[FKAri]

As many as he wants

[superduper]

Stats have ruined your mind

[SouBeachTalents]

I know James won a chip on a team where he only scored 6 points in a game.
No he didn't

[BigKobeFan]

No he didn't

Yes he did.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yes he did.
In the playoffs when they won the title? Link or GTFO

[BigKobeFan]

In the playoffs when they won the title? Link or GTFO

Same team the following year.

[bigkingsfan]

Kobe had a two point game in the finals with his team winning.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe had a two point game in the finals with his team winning.
Jesus

[jstern]

None, because of the major difference between Lebron ball and and dynasty level championship teams.

With Lebron ball everybody has to sacrifice their game in order to suit Lebron James. Everything has to go through him. It gets him stats, all time great numbers, but at the expense of his teammates. While with other all time greats, their game is such that they can adjust to whatever situation comes across, including their teammates having the hot hand.

A Kawhi Leonard, or a Jordan, can adjust if one of their teammates has the hot hand. Support them instead of hindering them. He can be a decoy, play off ball. But with Lebron it's no no no :no:

He doesn't have the skill set to do that, and would just stand around waiting to get the ball to dribble some more. And that's a huge negative, not being able to fully utilize his teammates when they get hot. You would never see a Lebron James team become a dynasty. Even if he had a Wade, Love, Kyrie, Ray Allen, and so on.

It's an example of how numbers can be misleading.

[Bankaii]

None because LeBron is incapable of being a positive contributor on a basketball team unless he's getting his stats.
Kawhi was a net negative that game.

[RRR3]

How are LeBron haters too stupid to get that most of the finals he lost was because of his team’s defense (2014, 2017-18) and/or just an insane talent gap (2007, 2015, 2018)

LeBron doesn’t hurt offenses.

[Bankaii]

[QUOTE=RRR3]How are LeBron haters too stupid to get that most of the finals he lost was because of his team

[Mr Feeny]

[QUOTE=RRR3]How are LeBron haters too stupid to get that most of the finals he lost was because of his team

[Mr Feeny]

[QUOTE=Bankaii]Don

[Bankaii]

If someone had basketball knowledge, he would see the way the offense stagnates when someone repeatedly insists on holding onto the ball for 20 seconds and having the final play go through him, while playing some of the worst defense that you will see. Basketball is about impact, and Leonard just has a bigger impact.
You

[RRR3]

If someone had basketball knowledge, he would see the way the offense stagnates when someone repeatedly insists on holding onto the ball for 20 seconds and having the final play go through him, while playing some of the worst defense that you will see. Basketball is about impact, and Leonard just has a bigger impact.
Top 3 all time according to you:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12529511&postcount=20

Bragging about LeBron getting called GOAT: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416826

[Bankaii]

Top 3 all time according to you:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12529511&postcount=20

Bragging about LeBron getting called GOAT: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416826
Dudes like this are just weird. Obsessively suck his dick one day then blatantly shit post on him the next.

[RRR3]

Dudes like this are just weird. Obsessively suck his dick one day then blatantly shit post on him the next.
It seems to be a theme with MJ fans

DonDadda/SomeBlackDude
Jstern
Mr. Feeny
Kunivadamighty


All used to be big LeBron defenders. Bruce Blitz apparently too although he hasn’t posted in years here. Hard to believe now but it’s true. I would have listed Samuraiswish too but he’s always been bipolar about LeBron. Also shoutout to Kawhi m8/DeRozan m8 because he was also team Bron in 2016 and now obsessively hates on him.

[jstern]

It seems to be a theme with MJ fans

DonDadda/SomeBlackDude
Jstern
Mr. Feeny
Kunivadamighty


All used to be big LeBron defenders. Bruce Blitz apparently too although he hasn’t posted in years here. Hard to believe now but it’s true. I would have listed Samuraiswish too but he’s always been bipolar about LeBron. Also shoutout to Kawhi m8/DeRozan m8 because he was also team Bron in 2016 andnoq obsessively hates on him.

I love Lebron, I don't see how I'm a hater. Just because I don't think he's GOAT, or because I acknowledge the flaws that keeps him from being a GOAT tier player?

It's an evolution. Around 2009, 2010, you look at Lebron's numbers, you start believing that he does need more help. Because how can someone who puts up such numbers get eliminated year after year, including to the likes of Dwight Howard. Then you start seeing his flaws, how he's putting up stats, yet it's at the expense of the team. Shrinking in certain moments. Not quite Jordan. But one stays quiet about it because one is a fan of Lebron, and one feels bad for him.

Then you start seeing less knowledgeable people, casual fans, people in wheelchairs who never saw him play saying that he's the GOAT. Putting up these stats, getting to the Finals year after year, but in the weakest conference in sports history. So what can a realist do? They have to start pointing out his flaws. It's inevitable. One is 100% forced to. The battle now is less about Lebron, and more about his trolls, fanboys and people that know any better.

So what is one to do if one of his troll fans that only understands stats start saying that Lebron needs more help because he can't win a game by letting a couple of teammate score more, shine? A huge Lebron fan like myself is forced to call him out on the things I used to keep quite about. His stats are at the expense of his teammates, and despite being an all time great he cannot adjust, utilize his teammates when they get hot, because that would make him a liability.

So you're always left with, "Lebron needs more help." The common denominator, Lebron. Eventually you're going to have to ask yourself if he really is so unlucky that he constantly needs more help or if another factor is the problem.

You should be seeing it with fascination. Lebron wins 66 wins in Cleveland, joins Wade, Bosch, you'd think they would break the 72 wins Bulls record. But his style doesn't really scale any higher because it doesn't integrate his teammates help, like a Kawhi, Jordan, Curry. It's just a small con because Lebron ball can still get you a lot of wins, just that it's a con that keeps him out of the Jordan conversation, and gives him misleading numbers.

[RRR3]

I love Lebron, I don't see how I'm a hater. Just because I don't think he's GOAT, or because I acknowledge the flaws that keeps him from being a GOAT tier player?

It's an evolution. Around 2009, 2010, you look at Lebron's numbers, you start believing that he does need more help. Because how can someone who puts up such numbers get eliminated year after year, including to the likes of Dwight Howard. Then you start seeing his flaws, how he's putting up stats, yet it's at the expense of the team. Shrinking in certain moments. Not quite Jordan. But one stays quiet about it because one is a fan of Lebron, and one feels bad for him.

Then you start seeing less knowledgeable people, casual fans, people in wheelchairs who never saw him play saying that he's the GOAT. Putting up these stats, getting to the Finals year after year, but in the weakest conference in sports history. So what can a realist do? They have to start pointing out his flaws. It's inevitable. One is 100% forced to. The battle now is less about Lebron, and more about his trolls, fanboys and people that know any better.

So what is one to do if one of his troll fans that only understands stats start saying that Lebron needs more help because he can't win a game by letting a couple of teammate score more, shine? A huge Lebron fan like myself is forced to call him out on the things I used to keep quite about. His stats are at the expense of his teammates, and despite being an all time great he cannot adjust, utilize his teammates when they get hot, because that would make him a liability.

So you're always left with, "Lebron needs more help." The common denominator, Lebron. Eventually you're going to have to ask yourself if he really is so unlucky that he constantly needs more help or if another factor is the problem.

You should be seeing it with fascination. Lebron wins 66 wins in Cleveland, joins Wade, Bosch, you'd think they would break the 72 wins Bulls record. But his style doesn't really scale any higher because it doesn't integrate his teammates help, like a Kawhi, Jordan, Curry. It's just a small con because Lebron ball can still get you a lot of wins, just that it's a con that keeps him out of the Jordan conversation, and gives him misleading numbers.

There

[Bronbron23]

Which team did he play on that would win a Finals game when he was the 4th highest scorer like Kawhi did last night?
Brons my dude but one of his downsides is the need to dominate the ball. It doesn't make for good ball movement and it's extremely predictable. It's great for his individual stats and he's so good that he can still get the odd win that way but if he was willing to move the ball more and play off ball more he would have won way more chips.

So to answer your question probably lots more than he has

[34-24 Footwork]

Lebron plays entire career and DOMINATES an eastern conference, yet holds multiple records for the largest loss margins in NBA finals history against solid teams.


"But how does he hurt offenses"?

[jstern]

[QUOTE=RRR3]There

[RRR3]

Jstern, There is a difference between people who reply to trolls with troll answers (I am very fond of doing this I admit) and people who actively create troll topics (I’ve done this but it’s not frequent).

I’m not saying you’re particularly guilty of the latter either but I don’t get the sense you’re just responding to trolls personally although that could be my LeBron bias tbh.

[34-24 Footwork]

Are you referring to Mr. Jabbar's "Is LeBron a top 10 player all-time" thread? I did say Lebron was top ten and goofed around about how surprised I was that so many people said no, when you take into account the wheelchair guy and his 20+ alts.

But you have to take into account, that even Mr. Jabbar, it's all goofing around, against the Lebron troll. Not that I'm speaking for Mr. Jabbar. He's just trolling the Lebron stans. You have to take it tongue and cheek, not too serious, like I assume the Lebron stans who scream 1-9. As if an 8th seeded team , 2nd year, broken foot Jordan losing to a top two GOAT team is somehow a huge knock against him.

Lol. You think the LeBron stans factor in injuries for their "1-9" analysis? Don't give these nerds too much credit. They AREN'T joking. They literally look at basketball reference for their opinions. Keep doing what you're doing.

[3ball]

I love Lebron, I don't see how I'm a hater. Just because I don't think he's GOAT, or because I acknowledge the flaws that keeps him from being a GOAT tier player?

It's an evolution. Around 2009, 2010, you look at Lebron's numbers, you start believing that he does need more help. Because how can someone who puts up such numbers get eliminated year after year, including to the likes of Dwight Howard. Then you start seeing his flaws, how he's putting up stats, yet it's at the expense of the team. Shrinking in certain moments. Not quite Jordan. But one stays quiet about it because one is a fan of Lebron, and one feels bad for him.

Then you start seeing less knowledgeable people, casual fans, people in wheelchairs who never saw him play saying that he's the GOAT. Putting up these stats, getting to the Finals year after year, but in the weakest conference in sports history. So what can a realist do? They have to start pointing out his flaws. It's inevitable. One is 100% forced to. The battle now is less about Lebron, and more about his trolls, fanboys and people that know any better.

So what is one to do if one of his troll fans that only understands stats start saying that Lebron needs more help because he can't win a game by letting a couple of teammate score more, shine? A huge Lebron fan like myself is forced to call him out on the things I used to keep quite about. His stats are at the expense of his teammates, and despite being an all time great he cannot adjust, utilize his teammates when they get hot, because that would make him a liability.

So you're always left with, "Lebron needs more help." The common denominator, Lebron. Eventually you're going to have to ask yourself if he really is so unlucky that he constantly needs more help or if another factor is the problem.

You should be seeing it with fascination. Lebron wins 66 wins in Cleveland, joins Wade, Bosch, you'd think they would break the 72 wins Bulls record. But his style doesn't really scale any higher because it doesn't integrate his teammates help, like a Kawhi, Jordan, Curry. It's just a small con because Lebron ball can still get you a lot of wins, just that it's a con that keeps him out of the Jordan conversation, and gives him misleading numbers.
^^^^ This is it, basically... :applause:

I used to love Lebron and still respect his game, but media/fans made me dislike him with their misunderstanding of his game, skills and impact... They literally argue that winning doesn't matter to make his goat claim

So I had to start pointing out that his 3/9 is not coincidence - eventually you must ask yourself if he's really so unlucky that he constantly needs more help, or if another factor is the problem (a style that yields inferior teamwork)

[Mr Feeny]

Top 3 all time according to you:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12529511&postcount=20

Bragging about LeBron getting called GOAT: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416826

Lebron is a top 3 player all time. What on earth does that have to do with Kawhi being a better player now than lebron is? That's the same delusion that Kobe fans had in 2012 when they claimed that Kobe was still a better player than Lebron at that point.

We arent discussing all time rankings. We can believe that Kawhi is a better player at the moment without thinking that Kawhi is in the top 3 players all time.

There is no way you're confused about this so I think you're just upset that someone is propping another player who isnt lebron. Otherwise, this is just silly.

[Mr Feeny]

[QUOTE=Bankaii]You

[Elosha]

None, because of the major difference between Lebron ball and and dynasty level championship teams.

With Lebron ball everybody has to sacrifice their game in order to suit Lebron James. Everything has to go through him. It gets him stats, all time great numbers, but at the expense of his teammates. While with other all time greats, their game is such that they can adjust to whatever situation comes across, including their teammates having the hot hand.

A Kawhi Leonard, or a Jordan, can adjust if one of their teammates has the hot hand. Support them instead of hindering them. He can be a decoy, play off ball. But with Lebron it's no no no :no:

He doesn't have the skill set to do that, and would just stand around waiting to get the ball to dribble some more. And that's a huge negative, not being able to fully utilize his teammates when they get hot. You would never see a Lebron James team become a dynasty. Even if he had a Wade, Love, Kyrie, Ray Allen, and so on.

It's an example of how numbers can be misleading.

This. Excellent explanation.

[Phoenix]

He doesn't have the skill set to do that, and would just stand around waiting to get the ball to dribble some more. And that's a huge negative, not being able to fully utilize his teammates when they get hot. You would never see a Lebron James team become a dynasty. Even if he had a Wade, Love, Kyrie, Ray Allen, and so on.



Effectively why they lost in 2011. Wade started off really well, and Lebron didn't have the know-how to accommodate that without adversely impacting the team. As paper thin as that roster was after the big 3, they were positioned to win and really had no business losing, especially when you consider that Dirk played better in the western playoffs than the finals, and Miami on paper had the 2 best players in the series, and the 4th best( Bosh).

[superduper]

[QUOTE=Bankaii]Don

[RRR3]

Lebron is a top 3 player all time. What on earth does that have to do with Kawhi being a better player now than lebron is? That's the same delusion that Kobe fans had in 2012 when they claimed that Kobe was still a better player than Lebron at that point.

We arent discussing all time rankings. We can believe that Kawhi is a better player at the moment without thinking that Kawhi is in the top 3 players all time.

There is no way you're confused about this so I think you're just upset that someone is propping another player who isnt lebron. Otherwise, this is just silly.
LeBron is a top 3 player ever but he hurts offenses? Try being consistent bruh.

[Manny98]

Effectively why they lost in 2011. Wade started off really well, and Lebron didn't have the know-how to accommodate that without adversely impacting the team. As paper thin as that roster was after the big 3, they were positioned to win and really had no business losing, especially when you consider that Dirk played better in the western playoffs than the finals, and Miami on paper had the 2 best players in the series, and the 4th best( Bosh).
Game 6?

[Manny98]

Are you referring to Mr. Jabbar's "Is LeBron a top 10 player all-time" thread? I did say Lebron was top ten and goofed around about how surprised I was that so many people said no, when you take into account the wheelchair guy and his 20+ alts.

But you have to take into account, that even Mr. Jabbar, it's all goofing around, against the Lebron troll. Not that I'm speaking for Mr. Jabbar. He's just trolling the Lebron stans. You have to take it tongue and cheek, not too serious, like I assume the Lebron stans who scream 1-9. As if an 8th seeded team , 2nd year, broken foot Jordan losing to a top two GOAT team is somehow a huge knock against him.
Broken foot? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Stop making pathetic excuses for your idol if MJ is as good as his stans say he is he should have been able to steal at least one game against the Celtics

[SouBeachTalents]

Broken foot? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Stop making pathetic excuses for your idol if MJ is as good as his stans say he is he should have been able to steal at least one game against the Celtics
Dude did drop 63, that

[Mr Feeny]

LeBron is a top 3 player ever but he hurts offenses? Try being consistent bruh.

Lebron is a top 3 player despite not being able to elevate offense as much as Kawhi does. Yes.