WOJBOMB: Anthony Davis to Lakers

[Keno]

@wojespn
25s25 seconds ago

The Pelicans have agreed to a deal to trade Anthony Davis to the Lakers for Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart, and three first-round picks

[bladefd]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Keno]

kept kuzma, worth :applause:

[LAmbruh]

Lonzo and Ingraham out? Kept Kuzma doe? :lebronamazed:




LeGM DID IT AGAIN!!!!!

[Uncle Drew]

Oof, bad day for Ingraham stans.

:hammertime:

[Keno]

Lonzo and Ingraham out? Kept Kuzma doe? :lebronamazed:




LeGM DID IT AGAIN!!!!!

facts :rockon: :rockon: what a steal!

[brooks_thompson]

Well, finally, at least. What a dick

[warriorfan]

Saw this coming after Vegas had Lakers as favorites coming into next season. Figured they had the inside info.

[Mr Feeny]

Wow. Are the Lakers now favourites for the title next year?

[MoBe1Kanobi]

LBJ

AD

KUZ

:eek:

Stacked

[scuzzy]

Pelicans have this years 1st and 4th pick :eek:

[StrongLurk]

Nani!?!?

[qrich]

Griffin caved :roll:

[Manny98]

LeBron + AD

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0ErLeqamV3UOARsA/giphy.gif



Sad to see Lonzo go though I really like him :(

[konex]

This trade doesn

[MoBe1Kanobi]

LONZO
JRUE
INGRAM
ZION
REDDISH
....
ALL THAT ATHLETICISM AND PLAYMAKING :rockon:

[RealSkipBayless]

Where is that Celtics mod?

:yaohappy: :hammertime: :hammertime:

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

NO made out like bandits on this one.

[ArbitraryWater]

:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[scuzzy]

Clutch move to make before free agency



Just made LA market look far more enticing

[Manny98]

Lakers didn't need to give away that much tho

It's not like anyone could come up with a comparable package.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Not my boy lonzo....we gave up too much man, who tf were we bidding against?


Lonzo, Ingram, hart, 4th pick, and 2 more future 1st? Wtf.


Anyways, welcome ad. Crazy to have 2 superstars on the Lakers again. Free agency pretty sure we can afford 1 more. Kyrie? Kemba?

[RealSkipBayless]

I'll miss Lonzo. But we got his 11 mil and Ingrams 8 mil off the books.

We can STILL get a 3rd big name this summer. :banana: :banana:

[qrich]

NO made out like bandits on this one.

No, they didn't.

[brooks_thompson]

Lavar Ball: 'oh hay-ell no'

[beastee]

How can anyone think this is a win for the lakers? A gutted team with a career loser center, an aging LeBron and absolutely Zero spot up 3 point shooters...this is not going to end well for the lakers
:coleman:

[Naero]

That officially uproots the rebuilding stage of this team. I still don't think the team has enough talent to warrant these win-now gambits, but at least it ends the locker-room saga and ensures some assets in return for lottery picks that'd have inevitably bolted from the team anyway.

This roster has much more revamping to do before they're veritably title favorites, but I'm sure Vegas will still peg them as such knowing the fanbase's prisoner-of-the-moment syndrome. :oldlol:

Stay healthy, LeBron and AD, and this should be a compelling season to say the least. :applause:

[Kblaze8855]

You knew once they saw both KD and Klay go down the other contenders decided they would do whatever it took to win now.

I bet the rockets stopped taking calls on guys right away. Figured it was theirs for the taking as is. No rebuild.

Everyone gonna pay what it takes to add any star. Kemba gonna get maxed out to any team even close to contending if they get him.

Lot of plans changed. You knew the lakers were gonna make sure to have AD and try to keep room to add more.

[brooks_thompson]

By the way, who's gonna shoot 3s on the Pelicans?

[highwhey]

LONZO
JRUE
INGRAM
ZION
REDDISH
....
ALL THAT ATHLETICISM AND PLAYMAKING :rockon:
Lakers are headed to the finals but this new Pelicans roster is about to be hella good. Young team with a lot of good talent, if i were a pelicans fan, i

[Meticode]

Pelicans build towards their future getting a #1 and #4 picks this year. And two other future first rounders. I can't imagine Jrue staying there or them wanting to keep him there.

Lakers are in win-now mode, probably will make another big move (maybe Butler?) since they sense KD and Klay won't be out next season.

[Kblaze8855]

How can anyone think this is a win for the lakers? A gutted team with a career loser center, an aging LeBron and absolutely Zero spot up 3 point shooters...this is not going to end well for the lakers
:coleman:

Time to get to tampering with JJ Redick.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

No, they didn't.

Leverage is a powerful thing.

[scuzzy]

This trade doesn’t go down if KD and Klay didn’t get hurt Bron sees a path to a ring lol Lakers giving up A LOT
draft picks?


LA traded D'lo to unload Mozgov contract

then let Randle walk to resign Pope

they're two most recent ones haven't been healthy for 50% season



Lakers rookie development and scouting is bottom of the barrel as it gets, enjoy the picks Pelicans, they're useless in LA

[DMAVS41]

You knew once they saw both KD and Klay go down the other contenders decided they would do whatever it took to win now.

I bet the rockets stopped taking calls on guys right away. Figured it was theirs for the taking as is. No rebuild.

Everyone gonna pay what it takes to add any star. Kemba gonna get maxed out to any team even close to contending if they get him.

Lot of plans changed. You knew the lakers were gonna make sure to have AD and try to keep room to add more.

Yea, I wonder about Kemba on the Lakers now.

Initially I don't love it because I worry about the defense, but man...

Kemba/Shooter/Kuzma/Lebron/Davis is probably impossible to stop.

[brooks_thompson]

draft picks?


LA traded D'lo to unload Mozgov contract

then let Randle walk to resign Pope

they're two most recent ones haven't been healthy for 50% season



Lakers rookie development and scouting is bottom of the barrel as it gets, enjoy the picks Pelicans, they're useless in LA

Maybe their development sucks, but their scouting is fine. It's Jerry West's son for cryin out loud

[qrich]

Yea, I wonder about Kemba on the Lakers now.

Initially I don't love it because I worry about the defense, but man...

Kemba/Shooter/Kuzma/Lebron/Davis is probably impossible to stop.

Adding Kemba would be a mistake.

Should use that $$$ and get tier 3 guys that'll provide nice depth

[DMAVS41]

How can anyone think this is a win for the lakers? A gutted team with a career loser center, an aging LeBron and absolutely Zero spot up 3 point shooters...this is not going to end well for the lakers
:coleman:

Because they have a chance to contend for a title now and just got a 26 year old superstar that will be there for probably the best 5 years of his career.

:confusedshrug:

[bison]

I don’t know what to say. I’m happier than I expected to be. I grown attached to ingram and lonzo, but...we are back in business. I’m done cheering six long years for rebuilding prospects and now we got stars to get us back in the playoffs. And cap space to add another. This is crazy. I love being a lakers fan

[FireDavidKahn]

[QUOTE=konex]This trade doesn

[DMAVS41]

Adding Kemba would be a mistake.

Should use that $$$ and get tier 3 guys that'll provide nice depth

I tend to agree.

Just depends on who those guys actually are.

[Bankaii]

That

[qrich]

I tend to agree.

Just depends on who those guys actually are.

Someone like JaMychal Green would be a phenomenal fit there. Hoping it isn't the case.

[Celtics 1825]

No excuses for LeBron this time if the Lakers miss the playoffs again. He got his help.

[Meticode]

[QUOTE=bison]I don

[scuzzy]

LOL @ losing Ingram and Lonzo = gutting your team



When your team is THAT bad :oldlol:



Lakers fans must have grown so attached to Ingram and Lonzo riding the injury reserve 35 games a season

[beastee]

Because they have a chance to contend for a title now and just got a 26 year old superstar that will be there for probably the best 5 years of his career.

:confusedshrug:
What has Anthony Davis done for his previous team? He was supposed to be a superstar...buy the truth is that he is a #2 option. LeBron has what...one year left as a legit #1 option? I'm not even sure that is true anymore with his defense. The lakers will be full of vet minimums and mediocre filler. Is that enough to win out west? I guess it all really hinges on them getting another max star? But that is just LeBron getting even Moar help.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

LAL lucky to keep Kuzma.

I'm curious if Pels gonna try to flip that #4 pick for a player, like was the rumor in the 3-team hunt. (Bob Myers, please)

[RealSkipBayless]

LOL @ losing Ingram and Lonzo = gutting your team



When your team is THAT bad :oldlol:
Giving up Lonzo + Clotgram for a generational talent that is only 26.

too much doe. :lol :lol

[DMAVS41]

What has Anthony Davis done for his previous team? He was supposed to be a superstar...buy the truth is that he is a #2 option. LeBron has what...one year left as a legit #1 option? I'm not even sure that is true anymore with his defense. The lakers will be full of vet minimums and mediocre filler. Is that enough to win out west? I guess it all really hinges on them getting another max star? But that is just LeBron getting even Moar help.

The Lakers, with an aging Lebron, would be idiots to not do this deal.

The Pelicans got a great haul no doubt, but you talk about Davis...what have Hart/Ingram/Ball done?

Have to look at it both ways.

And, I'd add, Ingram is about to get properly paid...actually, likely overpaid.

[Kblaze8855]

What has Anthony Davis done for his previous team? He was supposed to be a superstar...buy the truth is that he is a #2 option. LeBron has what...one year left as a legit #1 option? I'm not even sure that is true anymore with his defense. The lakers will be full of vet minimums and mediocre filler. Is that enough to win out west? I guess it all really hinges on them getting another max star? But that is just LeBron getting even Moar help.


Trust me on this.....

Within 2 weeks half this board will act like Davis is so great that losing with him would be the greatest failure in league history.

[qrich]

Gonna be interesting to see the details on the Picks LA just gave NOLA. From what I understand the Pelicans didn’t want Lakers FRP next year. But through pick swaps they essentially have control of the Lakers draft for the next 7 years.


:roll:

:roll:

[3ball]

AD's flaw is that he's too bird-fed, too assisted; lebron's is that he's too unassisted

Its a perfect match... :(

[scuzzy]

How bout that 25 second response time on Woj tweet doe


Keno :applause:

[BallsOut]

This trade would have never happened if Griffin didn't become GM to help LeBron out. NBA has never enforced their tampering rules when it came to LeBron forming superteams. Now the Lakers have two glorified stat padders who both quit on their team last season.

Bring on Kyrie Irving or Jimmy Butler. It'd only be fitting to add another diva to this trainwreck team.

[Naero]

That’s wayyyy too much for one year of a player that already wants to leave.
Hart OR Lonzo, Ingram, and the 4th should’ve been enough.
Unless they get a solid 3rd player I don’t see this ending in a championship.

If I'm remembering correctly, Davis won't be an unrestricted free agent until 2021.

I agree the Lakers are overtrading here, however. The team is still beatably top-heavy with two injury-prone anchors, and their backcourt is dangerously undermanned. Lakers were missing solid three-point shooters much more sorely than another singular superstar, considering they averaged one of the worst three-point-shooting percentages in the league last season.

Anthony Davis is still an incredible talent, but it'll take much more than him to get over the title-contention hump. We'll just need to wait and see if the Lakers can consummate their win-now mode with the rest of their off-season moves; if not, this can be very disastrous.

[thefatmiral]

Pffft. Should have gotten kuzma or no deal.

[G0ATbe]

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[MaxPlayer]

No excuses for LeBron this time if the Lakers miss the playoffs again. He got his help.

Oh, for sure.

If they don't AT LEAST make the WCF, then it's a major failure.

[lilteapot]

If I'm remembering correctly, Davis won't be an unrestricted free agent until 2021.

I agree the Lakers are overtrading here, however. The team is still beatably top-heavy with two injury-prone anchors, and their backcourt is dangerously undermanned. Lakers were missing solid three-point shooters much more sorely than another singular superstar, considering they averaged one of the worst three-point-shooting percentages in the league last season.

Anthony Davis is still an incredible talent, but it'll take much more than him to get over the title-contention hump. We'll just need to wait and see if the Lakers can consummate their win-now mode with the rest of their off-season moves; if not, this can be very disastrous.

Pairing Lebron + AD was the only way they were gonna lure a free agent this summer, especially with the front office BS. this was the necessary move.

[bladefd]

Not my boy lonzo....we gave up too much man, who tf were we bidding against?


Lonzo, Ingram, hart, 4th pick, and 2 more future 1st? Wtf.


Anyways, welcome ad. Crazy to have 2 superstars on the Lakers again. Free agency pretty sure we can afford 1 more. Kyrie? Kemba?

Well, we need a pg and sg now. Argh.. I wish we could have sent Kuzma instead of Lonzo.. I don't know where we go from here.

If we sign a max, we have no bench. If we sign someone like a $25mill/yr player and couple bench guys, we may not be able to get past Rockets or Warriors once KD returns

[BallsOut]

[QUOTE=qrich]Gonna be interesting to see the details on the Picks LA just gave NOLA. From what I understand the Pelicans didn

[qrich]

Fake news. Lakers only have up three picks including this year's. That means 2021 and 2023 are going to Pels. Only four years of picks. Not your exaggerated seven. Must suck to be a Clippers fan right now. With that championship, Kawhi staying in TO baby boi.

Yes, because Regina Shelbourne isn't reliable...you know, since that's her quote:

https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/1140028434225123328


Would you like to try again bruv?

[Bankaii]

If I'm remembering correctly, Davis won't be an unrestricted free agent until 2021.
If that's the case then my bad. I thought he was free after this upcoming season.

I still think they couldve gotten away with only giving away 3 of Lonzo/Hart/Ingraham/4th pick. Or at least get a decent role player with AD in return.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooo !!

getting rid of Ingram alone is addition by subtraction, tough to see Lonzo go though

we back at it boyos!!

[BallsOut]

Lakers traded away their best three defenders. LeBron's defense gonna get exposed even more :lebronamazed:

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Yes, because Regina Shelbourne isn't reliable...you know, since that's her quote:

https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/1140028434225123328


Would you like to try again bruv?
Did you just expose yourself as a tweet stealer? :lol

[BallsOut]

Yes, because Regina Shelbourne isn't reliable...you know, since that's her quote:

https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/1140028434225123328


Would you like to try again bruv?

Don't need to look at that. I know the Lakers pick situation. We don't owe anyone shit. Aside from the Pels and that's just though 2023.

[Embers]

The only reason you trade Ball ahead of Kuzma is the fact Kuzma contract is better. Kuzma becomes a horrible fit in this team and Ball was a great fit. Kuzma is all offence in a team that won't give him the ball. I feel Lakers now target Jimmy Butler but I feel that will be the wrong move

I'd look to do some more trades and go after Dragic/Richardson myself.

[qrich]

Did you just expose yourself as a tweet stealer? :lol

I just copied and pasted.

Not my fault Jeffrey doesn't allow us to embed tweets :cry:


Don't need to look at that. I know the Lakers pick situation. We done owe anyone shit. Aside from the Pels.

Yes, and with pick-swaps, Pels basically control the next seven.

[MaxPlayer]

The only reason you trade Ball ahead of Kuzma is the fact Kuzma contract is better. Kuzma becomes a horrible fit in this team and Ball was a great fit. Kuzma is all offence in a team that won't give him the ball. I feel Lakers now target Jimmy Butler but I feel that will be the wrong move

I'd look to do some more trades and go after Dragic/Richardson myself.

Not sure he's a "horrible" fit. He'll get tons of open looks.

[Keno]

How bout that 25 second response time on Woj tweet doe


Keno :applause:

got you bro :pimp:

[Kingwillball]

If I'm remembering correctly, Davis won't be an unrestricted free agent until 2021.

I agree the Lakers are overtrading here, however. The team is still beatably top-heavy with two injury-prone anchors, and their backcourt is dangerously undermanned. Lakers were missing solid three-point shooters much more sorely than another singular superstar, considering they averaged one of the worst three-point-shooting percentages in the league last season.

Anthony Davis is still an incredible talent, but it'll take much more than him to get over the title-contention hump. We'll just need to wait and see if the Lakers can consummate their win-now mode with the rest of their off-season moves; if not, this can be very disastrous.

Lebron is injury prone ??? GTFO Davis has minor injury and sat half season to prevent further injury.

[oh the horror]

Lakers need defenders badly right now. And shooters.


They

[Embers]

Not sure he's a "horrible" fit. He'll get tons of open looks.

He will be open but no one is passing him the ball. He is also one of the worst defenders in the league so when they go back the other way, teams will just target him even more

[SomeBlackDude]

pelicans made off like bandits. they were already getting zion, now they have the best defensive pg in the game, a guy who can be a 20-5-5 second option, and now a whole mess of 1st round picks that they could either use or flip to get some solid vets.

wouldn't shock me if they snuk into the 8th seed next year.

[BallsOut]

Lakers have zero backcourt.

? | Caruso
? | Stevenson
Kuzma | Pope
James | Wagner
Davis | McGee

[lilteapot]

Lakers have zero backcourt.

? | Caruso
? | Stevenson
Kuzma | Pope
James | Wagner
Davis | McGee

tbh they had no backcourt last year either. team was trash

[BallsOut]

pelicans made off like bandits. they were already getting zion, now they have the best defensive pg in the game, a guy who can be a 20-5-5 second option, and now a whole mess of 1st round picks that they could either use or flip to get some solid vets.

wouldn't shock me if they snuk into the 8th seed next year.

Ball | Holiday
Hart
Ingram
Zion
Randle

Sick....

[Embers]

Lakers have zero backcourt.

? | Caruso
? | Stevenson
Kuzma | Pope
James | Wagner
Davis | McGee

Nope, they have 5 players ATM

Kuzma, Davis, LeBron, Bonga and Wagner

That's it

[BallsOut]

tbh they had no backcourt last year either. team was trash

Ball and Hart were probably the best defensive backcourt in the entire league. Maybe only Kawhi/Lowry were better.

[RRR3]

pelicans made off like bandits. they were already getting zion, now they have the best defensive pg in the game, a guy who can be a 20-5-5 second option, and now a whole mess of 1st round picks that they could either use or flip to get some solid vets.

wouldn't shock me if they snuk into the 8th seed next year.
They did well but I think Ingram is trash tbh. Lonzo is a good piece tho. Don

[thefatmiral]

The problem is no one wants to play in NO. Zion will also demand a trade.

[Embers]

Ball | Holiday
Hart
Ingram
Zion
Randle

Sick....


Randle is gone and won't go back. I think at C they will just get a solid free agent like DeAndre Jordan instead

[Naero]

Lebron is injury prone ??? GTFO Davis has minor injury and sat half season to prevent further injury.

I forgot to qualify that statement: at this stage of his career, he's bound to be. He suffered his first old-man's injury last season, which cratered his team's chances at merely making the playoffs; and considering all the mileage on his body and that he's in his mid-30s, I'll view that as a precursor more than an isolated incident.

It's why I'm skeptical about anchoring a top-heavy team with these superstars: if one or both of them is sidelined, which is more than possible, it leaves a paper-thin roster to fill in the void.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Ball | Holiday
Hart
Ingram
Zion
Randle

Sick....
Jrue off the bench :lol

[Kingwillball]

Amazing how people are saying hoorible deal lakers just added best big man in basketball just entering his prime and are in great position to add another star or 2nd tier guys who will add to depth.. plus keep Kuzma who will be 3rd or 4th option. Lakers with no GS to contend with will be major threat barring injuries.

[ArbitraryWater]

I forgot to qualify that statement: at this stage of his career, he's bound to be. He suffered his first old-man's injury last season; and considering all the mileage on his body and that he's in his mid-30s, I'll view that as a precursor, not an isolated incident.

It's why I'm skeptical about anchoring a top-heavy team with these superstars: if one or both of them is sidelined, which is more than possible, it leaves a paper-thin roster to fill in the void.


what a close-minded thought to think bron is injury prone cause of the groin thing.


very dumb. trying to see "nature" in something that just is not there.

[SomeBlackDude]

They did well but I think Ingram is trash tbh.

even if he is, not like he's gonna be their #1. i think he's a great 2nd-3rd option. can easily give you 15-20 ppg/ 5+ rpg/ 4 or 5 apg and play some d every now and then.

man, thinking about it more NO could be dangerous the next few seasons.

if zion shoots right out the gate, is a star from day 1... wooo lawd. :milton

[qrich]

Jrue off the bench :lol

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

-Bible

[BallsOut]

Randle is gone and won't go back. I think at C they will just get a solid free agent like DeAndre Jordan instead

Pelicans should keep Randle. Zion+Randle= bully ball. Imagine Zion penetrating the right and Randle penetrating the left (he's a lefty). The other team wouldn't be able to contain such a combination.

[NBAGOAT]

Lakers have like 25 mil in cap space. Especially since they kept kuzma over lonzo, they should sign a few 3 and d guys most likely at guards and/or a dedmon type.

[Wally450]

I like the way the Pelicans are shaping up honestly.

[Smoke117]

I forgot to qualify that statement: at this stage of his career, he's bound to be. He suffered his first old-man's injury last season, which cratered his team's chances at merely making the playoffs; and considering all the mileage on his body and that he's in his mid-30s, I'll view that as a precursor more than an isolated incident.

It's why I'm skeptical about anchoring a top-heavy team with these superstars: if one or both of them is sidelined, which is more than possible, it leaves a paper-thin roster to fill in the void.

I'd say there's a good chance from this point on he will become injury prone. He's got a lot of trek on those tires and and will be 35 this upcoming season. Regardless of what a physical specimen he is and good he takes care of himself, the body can only take so much.

[Embers]

Lakers have like 25 mil in cap space. Especially since they kept kuzma over lonzo, they should sign a few 3 and d guys most likely at guards and/or a dedmon type.

More like 40-50 mill. Need to find 10 players still.

[Draz]

Lakers are stupid. They gave up too much just to have another superstar injury prone kid. I don't think this was worth it. NO walked away with pure robbery. If AD walks or not they just fully rebuilt. They walked away with a fcking steal getting rid of him now for the biggest idiot to offer the most.

Celtics smart to keep Tatum. Wasn't worth the risk. Thank God knicks didn't cave and gave RJ

[highwhey]

Pelicans should keep Randle. Zion+Randle= bully ball. Imagine Zion penetrating the right and Randle penetrating the left (he's a lefty). The other team wouldn't be able to contain such a combination.
randle and zion would congest the paint too much on a team already lacking shooters. no one on that can shoot the 3 at an average rate...it will be interesting to see what david griffin solves their lack of shooting.

[Kingwillball]

I'd say there's a good chance from this point on he will become injury prone. He's got a lot of trek on those tires and and will be 35 this upcoming season. Regardless of what a physical specimen he is and good he takes care of himself, the body can only take so much.

I

[bladefd]

According to Marc Stein of The New York Times, the Lakers are likely to focus on Kemba Walker

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1140026897801318400

[Naero]

what a close-minded thought to think bron is injury prone cause of the groin thing.


very dumb. trying to see "nature" in something that just is not there.

I think it because of LeBron's age and mileage, not just his groin injury; I only cited the latter as a symptom, and there's no disabusing me that attrition played a factor in it. Virtually all types of injuries become more probable at that stage of a player's career.


I'd say there's a good chance from this point on he will become injury prone. He's got a lot of trek on those tires and and will be 35 this upcoming season. Regardless of what a physical specimen he is and good he takes care of himself, the body can only take so much.

Yep. Players like Karl Malone and Michael Jordan were almost perfectly durable for most of their careers, only to be helplessly derailed by injuries in their dotage. It's easy to underestimate the suddenty in which Father Time takes over.

[qrich]

There is an additional swap with the deal, sources tell @ActionNetNBA.

The No.4, two more 1sts, (3 total 1sts) and one swap.

:roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

There is an additional swap with the deal, sources tell @ActionNetNBA.

The No.4, two more 1sts, (3 total 1sts) and one swap.

:roll:

swap? what?

[RRR3]

Lakers have like 25 mil in cap space. Especially since they kept kuzma over lonzo, they should sign a few 3 and d guys most likely at guards and/or a dedmon type.
This guy gets it :applause:

[bobopenguin]

so proud to be part of lakers family... :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[dazzer87]

No mo excuses

[bigkingsfan]

Only way this backfires is if AD gets injured. Three year window :banana:

[Duderonomy]

Lakers should get like 3 good roles players with their cap room Danny Green, Patrick Beverly, and Jordan (if the price is right)

[Doranku]

Hart and Ball were legit the only two players I liked on this team. :facepalm
Hope I'm wrong about AD and he isn't just a stat stuffing loser that disappears in critical moments.

[Mr Feeny]

Hart and Ball were legit the only two players I liked on this team. :facepalm
Hope I'm wrong about AD and he isn't just a stat stuffing loser that disappears in critical moments.

But there is no wa you would rather have Hart and Ball than a top 5 player. Come on.

[sdot_thadon]

I love this simply for how mad it has all these smucks right now. Supah team = getting an allstar running mate.

[Doranku]

But there is no wa you would rather have Hart and Ball than a top 5 player. Come on.

It's more than just that, though. Ingram is gone (happy about that tho, **** that guy), but more importantly we pulled a Brooklyn Nets and mortgaged our future to win now.

Hope it works better for us than it did them...

[D-Wait]

LOL @ losing Ingram and Lonzo = gutting your team

When your team is THAT bad :oldlol:

Lakers fans must have grown so attached to Ingram and Lonzo riding the injury reserve 35 games a season

This. People in this thread act like Lonzo and Ingram are perennial all-stars :facepalm :facepalm

They kept their best young player, Kyle Kuzma!

The Lakers definitely won this deal.

With Durant and Klay's injury, they have a real shot to win a championship this season...

[Mr Feeny]

It's more than just that, though. Ingram is gone (happy about that tho, **** that guy), but more importantly we pulled a Brooklyn Nets and mortgaged our future to win now.

Hope it works better for us than it did them...

I think it's a gamble because they're going all in in the short term. But after Kd and Klay went down, wouldn't you have done this? It's the only move to make. The biggest obstacle is gone and there's a clear shot at the title. The only competition out west is a rockets team reeling from their collapse in games 5 and 6 and actively shopping their players. The best team in the east isnt going to be as good as the Lakers.

Let's see how it plays out. If it doesn't work out, then your trepidation will have been justified. If they can get a title here, none of those picks will matter. It will all have been worth it. This is the time to strike. While GS is down.

[Kingwillball]

It's more than just that, though. Ingram is gone (happy about that tho, **** that guy), but more importantly we pulled a Brooklyn Nets and mortgaged our future to win now.

Hope it works better for us than it did them...

U should be happy your lakers will be in championship mix for next few years at least.

[RealSkipBayless]

It's more than just that, though. Ingram is gone (happy about that tho, **** that guy), but more importantly we pulled a Brooklyn Nets and mortgaged our future to win now.

Hope it works better for us than it did them...
Don't really think it's win now only. Davis is only 26.

[Doranku]

If we're able to get Kemba or another all-star in free agency, then I'll feel a lot better. Just don't think LeBron, AD, and a bunch of journeymen/mercenaries are enough to get it done even without Klay and KD in the mix.

[Bankaii]

Hart and Ball were legit the only two players I liked on this team. :facepalm
Hope I'm wrong about AD and he isn't just a stat stuffing loser that disappears in critical moments.
You act like y'all traded budding Superstars for a couple years of a vet's prime.
AD is a borderline superstar and only 26, and actually wants to be there. Even without Lebron in the future they'll be straight.

Besides, out of Ingram, Ball, Hart, and whoever the 4th pick is, none of them will ever be better overall than AD or Kuz.

[Mr Feeny]

Don't really think it's win now only. Davis is only 26.

But lebron is getting older. He will be 36 midway through the 2021 season which is when KD and Klay should be back. That would be trickier to win. The window is short in my opinion. It's this year. And they're going all in.

[bigkingsfan]

It's more than just that, though. Ingram is gone (happy about that tho, **** that guy), but more importantly we pulled a Brooklyn Nets and mortgaged our future to win now.

Hope it works better for us than it did them...
Nets traded for a 36 and 37 yr old. Why are you acting like it's the same thing?

[D-Wait]

It's more than just that, though. Ingram is gone (happy about that tho, **** that guy), but more importantly we pulled a Brooklyn Nets and mortgaged our future to win now.

Hope it works better for us than it did them...

WOW. :facepalm :facepalm

You guys just got Anthony Davis.

Lonzo and Hart are freaking role players and it's not like Ingram is the next Durant.

Do you want to win a championship with Lebron, AD and another FA? (Especially when there's a real shot to win because of Golden State's injuries)

Or do you want to waste what's left of Lebron's career with some young guys and another rookie around him???

[ArbitraryWater]

WOW. :facepalm :facepalm

You guys just got Anthony Davis.

Lonzo and Hart are freaking role players and it's not like Ingram is the next Durant.

Do you want to win a championship with Lebron, AD and another FA? (Especially when there's a real shot to win because of Golden State's injuries)

Or do you want to waste what's left of Lebron's career with some young guys and another rookie around him???

bing-o

[Doranku]

WOW. :facepalm :facepalm

You guys just got Anthony Davis.

Lonzo and Hart are freaking role players and it's not like Ingram is the next Durant.

Do you want to win a championship with Lebron, AD and another FA? (Especially when there's a real shot to win because of Golden State's injuries)

Or do you want to waste what's left of Lebron's career with some young guys and another rookie around him???

Like I said, I'll feel a lot better if we're able to sign another all-star caliber player in free agency. But it's hard to assume that's a certainty, especially with how LA's free agency has gone in recent years.

[BallsOut]

WOW. :facepalm :facepalm

You guys just got Anthony Davis.

Lonzo and Hart are freaking role players and it's not like Ingram is the next Durant.

Do you want to win a championship with Lebron, AD and another FA? (Especially when there's a real shot to win because of Golden State's injuries)

Or do you want to waste what's left of Lebron's career with some young guys and another rookie around him???

No. We want to win the championship with Leonard+AD. But we have to settle for AD and a father time LeBron who still thinks he is the best player on the team when he's not. That's a recipe for disaster. The last time that happened, LeBron cost the Heat a title and Wade a finals MVP.

[ArbitraryWater]

No. We want to win the championship with Leonard+AD. But we have to settle for AD and a father time LeBron who still thinks he is the best player when he's not. That's a recipe for disaster. The last time that happened, LeBron cost the Heat a title and Wade a finals MVP.

lmaooo that comparison

[Doranku]

Nets traded for a 36 and 37 yr old. Why are you acting like it's the same thing?

It's the same concept. Dumping all your picks in the foreseeable future to win now.

Yeah, AD's only 26.. but I have zero faith in him as a #1 guy without LeBron and the dude has been riddled with injuries his entire career.

[Doranku]

The same people arguing with me in this thread will be the ones saying LeBron has no help/AD is overrated/etc in a few months. :lol

[sdot_thadon]

The rest of the roster still needs filling out, but the Lakers are sitting pretty compared to where they were when we woke up this morning.

[bigkingsfan]

It's the same concept. Dumping all your picks in the foreseeable future to win now.

Yeah, AD's only 26.. but I have zero faith in him as a #1 guy without LeBron and the dude has been riddled with injuries his entire career.
Who cares, you're getting a top 5 player in his prime, and a 2-3 yr championship window. + the potential to attract more FA.

This only turns out bad if AD has a serious injury and they have to give up future top 3 picks, like the Nets did.

[Kingwillball]

But lebron is getting older. He will be 36 midway through the 2021 season which is when KD and Klay should be back. That would be trickier to win. The window is short in my opinion. It's this year. And they're going all in.

KD will be on Knicks or nets than..

[HylianNightmare]

No excuses

[D-Wait]

The same people arguing with me in this thread will be the ones saying LeBron has no help/AD is overrated/etc in a few months. :lol

I don't see it. Of course, there will be more haters.

But the Lakers will easily be a top 4 seed with Lebron+AD+Kuzma+Star FA...

And Davis fits perfectly with Lebron imo. He won't disappoint.

[BallsOut]

I don't see it. Of course, there will be more haters.

But the Lakers will easily be a top 4 seed with Lebron+AD+Kuzma+Star FA...

And Davis fits perfectly with Lebron imo...

**** off. It's AD+LeBron+Kuzma. Dumbasses who still think LeBron is a top player when he doesn't play a lick of defense.

[bullettooth]

Can lebron go for 7 finals losses? We're about to find out!

[warriorfan]

Can lebron go for 7 finals losses? We're about to find out!

Next year

[Mr Feeny]

KD will be on Knicks or nets than..

He might be. But I think he is atleast more likely to stay now than before. He doesnt have to worry about being seen as a luxury player. This past finals clearly changed the narrative as far as he goes with people now thinking that he was a necessity for the warriors during their last 2 titles, given the way they struggled against Toronto without him. He might still leave, but I think theres already a slight chance he decides to stay if they offer him 5 years a d a super max.

[RealSkipBayless]

Even after Lebron era the Lakers will still have Davis and Kuzma. Yeah we won't have a pick that year but we will see the free agent market. Perhaps PG will be tired of losing with westbrook.

But that's wayyyy into the future. Right now the Laker nation are favorites for a title. :banana:

[red1]

it's a wrap for the west. AD and lbj will come out of the conference probably gonna add kemba too.


I like this it makes it less likely for kawhi to go to the clippers IMO having to share the building with the lakers

[bullettooth]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Next year

[Glide2keva]

it's a wrap for the west. AD and lbj will come out of the conference probably gonna add kemba too.


I like this it makes it less likely for kawhi to go to the clippers IMO having to share the building with the lakers

We all know how Lebron loves weak conferences, and then acts like he had to struggle to make the Finals.

[red1]

We all know how Lebron loves weak conferences, and then acts like he had to struggle to make the Finals.
kd and klay going down = lakers see the opportunity.


you can't blame them for capitalizing and making the obvious move. new orleans got a great haul as well even got the 4th pick.

[NBAGOAT]

If the lakers want to play 3D chess, they should be chasing guys on contenders not kemba. 32 mil in cap space means they can throw 17-20mil at brogdon who

[StrongLurk]

Lakers DO NOT NEED A THIRD "STAR" player. This will KILL their depth and shooting.

They need to fill the rest of the roster out with shooters/3 and D guys and a competent center.

[Vino24]

Kyrie confirmed to LA. Durant is broken no point in goin to NYC

[Lakers Legend#32]

So did KD sign an extension with the Lakers?

[RRR3]

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]If the lakers want to play 3D chess, they should be chasing guys on contenders not kemba. 32 mil in cap space means they can throw 17-20mil at brogdon who

[RRR3]

Lakers DO NOT NEED A THIRD "STAR" player. This will KILL their depth and shooting.

They need to fill the rest of the roster out with shooters/3 and D guys and a competent center.
High IQ post. 3rd offensive star will be a mistake.

[sammichoffate]

High IQ post. 3rd offensive star will be a mistake.Kobe+Shaq+Role Players=Dynasty. MJ+Pippen+Role Players=Dynasty. GS is the exception since they had the cap space, don't see any FA's doing that unless they're hardcore ring chasing.

[NBAGOAT]

[QUOTE=RRR3]I wish you had been LeBron

[qrich]

If Lakers don't come away with a ring or two in the next three years, this trade is going to end up being a joke.

They essentially gave up any hope of being relevant past the 22-23 season.

[BallsOut]

If Lakers don't come away with a ring or two in the next three years, this trade is going to end up being a joke.

They essentially gave up any hope of being relevant past the 22-23 season.

The Lakers will always be relevant baby boi.

We'll still have AD to attract future free agent stars. PG might even sign here in the future.

Meanwhile in Clippers land, a tumbleweed blows by.

[qrich]

The Lakers will always be relevant baby boi.

We'll still have AD to attract future free agent stars. PG might even sign here in the future.

Meanwhile in Clippers land, a tumbleweed blows by.

Yes, I'm sure players will flock to a 30 year old AD.

George will also be 33/34 when he's a free agent.

[J Shuttlesworth]

It's pretty surreal to think the Lakers are actually on the map again. 2 superstars, including the BITW.

[Smoke117]

It's pretty surreal to think the Lakers are actually on the map again. 2 superstars, including the BITW.

lol...That you actually believe LeBron is still the BITW is adorable.

[highwhey]

It's pretty surreal to think the Lakers are actually on the map again. 2 superstars, including the BITW.
somewhere, Draymond is in his car crying while calling Kawhi begging him to join the warriors.

[GoSpursGo1984]

And people say the NBA is not rigged lol

[KOBEtherealKing]

And people say the NBA is not rigged lol


It is :lol
There

[highwhey]

And people say the NBA is not rigged lol
it's only rigged when the spurs don't win amiright? :oldlol:

[RealSkipBayless]

Yes, I'm sure players will flock to a 30 year old AD.

George will also be 33/34 when he's a free agent.
More people would want to be the final piece with a 30 year old AD and prime Kuzma than have anything to do with the Clippers. :lol

PG would be 31. Not that he's the only option. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/oklahoma-city-thunder/paul-george-6892/

Lakers family goes all in for rings. :rockon:

[Lakers]

Lakers will miss Ball's and BI's defense. Ball could easily switch 1-3 and YDK 1-4, to cover up for Lebron's and Kuzma's horrible defense. We could use Beal and a decent sized PG like Rubio

[Marchesk]

If Lakers don't come away with a ring or two in the next three years, this trade is going to end up being a joke.

They essentially gave up any hope of being relevant past the 22-23 season.

Are you really worrying about the Laker's 2022-23 season?

[bladefd]

How about this scenario.. Sign Butler to $28m. Fill up cap to enter luxury tax threshold to activate mle, which is 9mil in 2019-20. Sign Beverley for $6m of the MLE. Use remaining MLE to sign Danny Green or some vet who plays guard. You next still have bi-annual exception, which is $3m so you can still get another player for BAE (use it by splitting it to keep Caruso/Johnathon Williams imo). Then you can go into veterans minimum like Vince Carter..

AD/Williams
LeBron/Wagner
Kuzma/Green
Butler/Carter/Bonga
Beverley/Caruso


Source for mle: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/06/values-of-201819-mid-level-bi-annual-exceptions.html

[ImKobe]

Lakers will miss Ball's and BI's defense. Ball could easily switch 1-3 and YDK 1-4, to cover up for Lebron's and Kuzma's horrible defense. We could use Beal and a decent sized PG like Rubio

AD can pretty much guard everyone as well and he's also a rim protector and can also shoot the open 3 at a respectable rate. He's used to covering up for his team's mistakes on defense.

Ball's defense will be missed, but he's a bad fit next to Lebron, replace him with a Danny Green and we'd be better off.

[Doranku]

It's pretty surreal to think the Lakers are actually on the map again. 2 superstars, including the BITW.

? They haven't signed Kawhi yet

[RRR3]

? They haven't signed Kawhi yet
He’s not the best player. Neither is LeBron though. It’s Curry. Inb4 lol choker

[ArbitraryWater]

He’s not the best player. Neither is LeBron though. It’s Curry. Inb4 lol choker

inb4 lol u dumb :lol


How can anyone come away from these playoffs/finals thinking Curry has BITW impact in the finals against a top defense?

[RRR3]

inb4 lol u dumb :lol


How can anyone come away from these playoffs/finals thinking Curry has BITW impact in the finals against a top defense?
Did you see how much attention he gets lmao?

[ArbitraryWater]

Did you see how much attention he gets lmao?

do you think that attention would shut lebron out? if so, why havent we seen it?

curry doesnt have the physicality to burn a hard double, there's a reason why he was able to be taken off his game at key stretches

[RRR3]

Did you see how much attention he gets lmao?
LeBron isn’t as dangerous offensively and he plays a completely different game.

[Manny98]

[QUOTE=RRR3]LeBron isn

[ArbitraryWater]

[QUOTE=RRR3]LeBron isn

[RRR3]

interesting. that would indeed be your only possible explanation.

so you think lebron could be reduced to such impact as well?

surely, since he isnt as dangerous, right?
If Lebron had so much more impact than Curry he would have made the playoffs.

[ImKobe]

[QUOTE=RRR3]LeBron isn

[bullettooth]

[QUOTE=RRR3]LeBron isn

[NBAGOAT]

Where is the impact stuff coming from. Warriors still managed a 110 ortg(2.9 better than tors rs number). That

[ArbitraryWater]

If Lebron had so much more impact than Curry he would have made the playoffs.

I wanna know if LeBron could have been limited like Curry ways.

Go 'head.

And if so, why wasnt it done.


You know youre just playing your neutral POV thing

[coin24]

WHAT A TIME!!!:bowdown: :rockon: :cheers:

[ImKobe]

I wanna know if LeBron could have been limited like Curry ways.

Go 'head.

And if so, why wasnt it done.


You know youre just playing your neutral POV thing

Lebron wasn't limited to 3rd option, averaging 17 ppg in the 2011 Finals during his peak years? 8 points? one bad 4th quarter after another? What about 2007 Lebron, when the spurs held him to 22 pts on 35% shooting with ~6TO a game? What about Boston exposing him in 2008 and 2010?

Curry just averaged 30/5/6/2 on ~60%TS in the Finals with KD and Klay injured and no shooters around him :biggums: but somehow he was more limited than Lebron ever has been :sleeping

[ArbitraryWater]

Lebron wasn't limited to 3rd option, averaging 17 ppg in the 2011 Finals during his peak years? 8 points? one bad 4th quarter after another? What about 2007 Lebron, when the spurs held him to 22 pts on 35% shooting with ~6TO a game? What about Boston exposing him in 2008 and 2010?

Curry just averaged 30/5/6/2 on ~60%TS in the Finals with KD and Klay injured and no shooters around him :biggums: but somehow he was more limited than Lebron ever has been :sleeping

I'm obviously talking prime here


Curry shot 41% and couldnt make any impact in several 4th quarters, even those they won.

LeBron will never be shut down to that effect.

[NBAGOAT]

I wanna know if LeBron could have been limited like Curry ways.

Go 'head.

And if so, why wasnt it done.


You know youre just playing your neutral POV thing

You

[ImKobe]

I'm obviously talking prime here


Curry shot 41% and couldnt make any impact in several 4th quarters, even those they won.

LeBron will never be shut down to that effect.

Why do you only account for FG% when he shot 11 threes per game with 10 FTA :facepalm :facepalm over half of his FGA were from three.

Even then, he shot better than Lebron in 2015 with no Irving or Love and also took his team to 6 games.

[RRR3]

LeBron was in his prime in 2011 :facepalm



People like you are the only people who will get me to argue against LeBron. You guys literally think he’s perfect. Shit is annoying as ****

[coin24]

[QUOTE=RRR3]He

[ArbitraryWater]

Why do you only account for FG% when he shot 11 threes per game :facepalm :facepalm

Even then, he shot better than Lebron in 2015 with no Irving or Love and also took his team to 6 games.

exactly, no Irving or Love, no offensive help and his worst season since 2011.


Where as Curry, in his prime, has always been a limited scorer in the finals without KD but plenty of help besides that next to him.

Curry in both the 15 and 16 finals had huge bench support + Klay/Dray and was able to leave the court and his team still won the games.


It cannot be ignored.

[ArbitraryWater]

Can you be anymore of a soyboy cuck moron???



What a steal for the lakers. Knew it would get done eventually.
Ball needs new scenery to develop, if he can stay healthy.
Hart proved to be nothing special.
Ingram has potential but most games he's Mia and questionable mentally.
The 2 firsts are useless cause we'll be on the championship parade.:rockon:

Only a complete fool doesn't do this deal for LA.

Now get us jimmy buckets and some shooters, good job rob

exactly, all these morons on twitter, yt, etc. "lakers got fleeced" no dummie, its 2 top 5 players vs ingram and lonzo and picks that dont help lebron right now...

you do this trade any time.

[ArbitraryWater]

LeBron was in his prime in 2011 :facepalm



People like you are the only people who will get me to argue against LeBron. You guys literally think he’s perfect. Shit is annoying as ****

yeah, but he was clearly out of it mentally, why would we take that series as some sort of sample to prove he could be taken off his game by a specific scheme, when it was clearly lebron fcking up himself?


You dont even understand what youre arguing or arguing against.


But in any topic you enter, wether its politics, religion or sports, you try to take a politically correct show-off one. youre the ultimate cuck. probably no respect for yourself. stop trying to impress people with your "neutral lebron fan" shit.

[ImKobe]

yeah, but he was clearly out of it mentally, why would we take that series as some sort of sample to prove he could be taken off his game by a specific scheme, when it was clearly lebron fcking up himself?


You dont even understand what youre arguing or arguing against.


But in any topic you enter, wether its politics, religion or sports, you try to take a politically correct show-off one. youre the ultimate cuck. probably no respect for yourself. stop trying to impress people with your "neutral lebron fan" shit.


:facepalm :facepalm

they played ZONE DEFENSE and forced him to shoot the basketball

[NBAGOAT]

Why do you only account for FG% when he shot 11 threes per game with 10 FTA :facepalm :facepalm over half of his FGA were from three.

Even then, he shot better than Lebron in 2015 with no Irving or Love and also took his team to 6 games.

People should just default to ts%. Ik it

[ArbitraryWater]

:facepalm :facepalm

they played ZONE DEFENSE and forced him to shoot the basketball

I'll play...

what happened 2012-18?

did he adjust? why could this not be done anymore / did not work anymore?


because he could no longer be limited by a tactical scheme.

unlike curry.

[RRR3]

Shut the hell up Arby.

Being a LeBron fan doesn’t mean you can’t speak objectively about him.

And I’m sorry you’re triggered I don’t agree with your horrifying political views.

[ArbitraryWater]

Shut the hell up Arby.

Being a LeBron fan doesn’t mean you can’t speak objectively about him.

And I’m sorry you’re triggered I don’t agree with your horrifying political views.

again, you dont even understand what youre arguing against...

you automatically take a defensive, "no this is wrong im more neutral" into whatever you go.

lebron was trash in 11, but it has no relevance for his general prime and how he could be taken off his game, as it never happened the next 7 years.

youre out of your element.

go impress more people elsewhere.

[NBAGOAT]

again, you dont even understand what youre arguing against...

you automatically take a defensive, "no this is wrong im more neutral" into whatever you go.

lebron was trash in 11, but it has no relevance for his general prime and how he could be taken off his game, as it never happened the next 7 years.

youre out of your element.

go impress more people elsewhere.

Curry’s only limited by the higher variance of his play... it means he can have a shittier game sometimes. There’s no defensive scheme that can “limit” him when he’s on either

[ImKobe]

I'll play...

what happened 2012-18?

did he adjust? why could this not be done anymore / did not work anymore?


because he could no longer be limited by a tactical scheme.

unlike curry.

He improved as a shooter and loaded his rosters with better 3-point shooters to space the floor for him. 2012 he was still barely making any shots outside the paint but heated up for a game when down 2 - 3 to Boston (Brandon Bass guarding him was a joke to begin with) and the same thing happened against the Spurs - he was playing 2011 ball until Game 6 of the series and it would have been another disappointing Finals had Ray Allen missed or had Kawhi made his FT.

Unfortunately for Curry, he didn't have any teammates to bail him out in 2016 and 2019.

[Manny98]

Imagine just witnessing Curry shrink in the finals yet again and still say with a straight face that's he's better than LeBron :roll:

[RRR3]

Imagine just witnessing Curry shrink in the finals yet again and still say with a straight face that's he's better than LeBron :roll:
He’s better than LeBron currently. He’s not better than peak LeBron.

[GimmeThat]

they gave up quite a lot to build around AD. It's too hollywood to be honest. This hypes up the next Olympics more than the actual NBA season.

[ArbitraryWater]

Imagine just witnessing Curry shrink in the finals yet again and still say with a straight face that's he's better than LeBron :roll:

its a facade


He improved as a shooter and loaded his rosters with better 3-point shooters to space the floor for him. 2012 he was still barely making any shots outside the paint but heated up for a game when down 2 - 3 to Boston (Brandon Bass guarding him was a joke to begin with) and the same thing happened against the Spurs - he was playing 2011 ball until Game 6 of the series and it would have been another disappointing Finals had Ray Allen missed or had Kawhi made his FT.

Unfortunately for Curry, he didn't have any teammates to bail him out in 2016 and 2019.

You dont get the luxury of bail-out when you suck (2016 Curry).

LeBron never was bailed out in the typical sense of playing bad and winning. Never had a team good enough.

Oh and

Enjoy this swift stop on a dime fading banker to close a finals game

https://i.gyazo.com/7ca70bb529449b676da2a7277180d4c5.gif

[BlakFrankWhite]

Lakers are back :(

But it's always good to see the resurgence of a historically great franchise like Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, Pistons etc

[Real Men Wear Green]

Lakers had to do this if they are going to have a shot at a championship with James. Might be a two year window but they can win any series against any opponent if their two stars are healthy (I am assuming that James can still defend when he wants to and just didn't last season to conserve energy). Their main guys will be taking too many breaks in the regular season to be a top seed but they should make the Finals with the Warriors demise.

They will suck within three seasons with James aging, no cap space and the Pelicans having their draft picks into the 23rd century but for now we have to take them seriously again.

For NO this is the best they can do. Losing Davis was going to be a setback no matter what but they should be able to formulate a deep and athletic team. Won't be a contender any time soon but that was going to be the case no matter what. A strong 22 and 12 ROY campaign and 19ppg from Ingram can get them between 6th and 8th. Could be an excellent defensive team with the right coaching.

[DMAVS41]

Lakers had to do this if they are going to have a shot at a championship with James. Might be a two year window but they can win any series against any opponent if their two stars are healthy (I am assuming that James can still defend when he wants to and just didn't last season to conserve energy). Their main guys will be taking too many breaks in the regular season to be a top seed but they should make the Finals with the Warriors demise.

They will suck within three seasons with James aging, no cap space and the Pelicans having their draft picks into the 23rd century but for now we have to take them seriously again.

For NO this is the best they can do. Losing Davis was going to be a setback no matter what but they should be able to formulate a deep and athletic team. Won't be a contender any time soon but that was going to be the case no matter what. A strong 22 and 12 ROY campaign and 19ppg from Ingram can get them between 6th and 8th. Could be an excellent defensive team with the right coaching.

Don't think I agree with this.

Why would the Lakers "suck" after these 3 years? Lebron's contract would be up unless they extend and they'll have a 29 year old Davis and prime Kuzma on what will almost for sure be quality contracts given the incoming cap increases over the next few years.

Yea, maybe if they sign a bunch of terrible long-term contracts this summer, but they could easily be a title contending team for the next 6 years if Davis stays healthy and they make some solid front office moves.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Don't think I agree with this.

Why would the Lakers "suck" after these 3 years? Lebron's contract would be up unless they extend and they'll have a 29 year old Davis and prime Kuzma on what will almost for sure be quality contracts given the incoming cap increases over the next few years.

Yea, maybe if they sign a bunch of terrible long-term contracts this summer, but they could easily be a title contending team for the next 6 years if Davis stays healthy and they make some solid front office moves. Because they won't be binging in young talent while everyone else does and James had limited time as a superstar player. He just missed 27 games, the highest number of his career to date. He's 35 years old, an age by which most players are normally retiring. His longevity is greater than the norm but he's still had to make concessions to aging, missing a third of the season and taking breaks on defense. Both of those adjustments hurt the Lakers and as he gets older it will get worse. If things go really bad LA could be the NO team Davis just left by 2021.

They do have the ability to bring in one star this offseasons though so we'll see how that goes.

[DMAVS41]

Because they won't be binging in young talent while everyone else does and James had limited time as a superstar player. He just missed 27 games, the highest number of his career to date. He's 35 years old, an age by which most players are normally retiring. His longevity is greater than the norm but he's still made had to make concessions to aging, missing a third of the season and taking breaks on defense. Both of those adjustments hurt the Lakers and as he gets older it will get worse. If things go really bad LA could be the NO team Davis just left by 2021.

They do have the ability to bring in one star this offseasons though so we'll see how that goes.

So are you arguing they will "suck" during the next 3 years or after?

[ArbitraryWater]

yea, RMWG makes no sense.

next 2 yrs = title contention, then = suck?

lol

[LeFraud James]

Because they won't be binging in young talent while everyone else does and James had limited time as a superstar player. He just missed 27 games, the highest number of his career to date. He's 35 years old, an age by which most players are normally retiring. His longevity is greater than the norm but he's still had to make concessions to aging, missing a third of the season and taking breaks on defense. Both of those adjustments hurt the Lakers and as he gets older it will get worse. If things go really bad LA could be the NO team Davis just left by 2021.

They do have the ability to bring in one star this offseasons though so we'll see how that goes.

Good god am I glad I left ISH.

Come back to lurk after the AD news, and sure enough this idiot is in here spewing his garbage.

[DMAVS41]

I mean, there is always a lot of risk when trading away future draft picks.

But, I don't see why the Lakers will "suck" during the next 3 years unless they sign terrible contracts this summer or have really bad injuries.

Either way, I'm not sure how keeping and then paying the likes of Ingram and Ball prevents those same risks given what we've seen to date in their careers both from their impact on the court and their health histories.

They may not become the elite team they certainly have the potential to, but straight up "suck"...I don't know...possible, but I would not bet on this team missing the playoffs in the next 3 years.

[Mr Feeny]

So are you arguing they will "suck" during the next 3 years or after?

That's the way I read it as well. As in, they'll be ins rough position 2-3, years from now. I think it will depend on how Lebron ages. If he ages gracefully, he can play his part as the 2nd option to AD on a title winning team. If he drops off of a cliff, then the risk they took will not have been worth it.

[DMAVS41]

That's the way I read it as well. As in, they'll be ins rough position 2-3, years from now. I think it will depend on how Lebron ages. If he ages gracefully, he can play his part as the 2nd option to AD on a title winning team. If he drops off of a cliff, then the risk they took will not have been worth it.

I personally think Lebron/Kuzma/Davis...barring serious injuries...have virtually no chance of being on a team that "sucks" over the next 3 years.

After that, I'm confused...because Lebron isn't on the books and Davis/Kuzma will likely be on quality contracts given the incoming cap increases.

I can't comment on contracts that haven't been signed yet, but it seems to me that you push hard these next 3 years with Lebron still playing at an all-nba level...

And then see what you have if he retires or is willing to sign a team friendly deal like Dirk did as he ages.

Regardless though...three years from now...they'll have likely peak Anthony Davis and prime Kuzma...with cap space....and they will have some draft picks...they didn't trade every single one.

Are there risks? Sure, but the Lakers have actually "sucked" for 6 straight years....and they didn't "hit" on any of their picks...signed horrible contracts...and made bad trades to dump those horrible contracts.

Cleaning the books to add a 26 year old hall of famer that is clearly hungry to prove himself seems like a move you have to make when you are a destination for free agents.

[Mr Feeny]

I personally think Lebron/Kuzma/Davis...barring serious injuries...have virtually no chance of being on a team that "sucks" over the next 3 years.

After that, I'm confused...because Lebron isn't on the books and Davis/Kuzma will likely be on quality contracts given the incoming cap increases.

I can't comment on contracts that haven't been signed yet, but it seems to me that you push hard these next 3 years with Lebron still playing at an all-nba level...

And then see what you have if he retires or is willing to sign a team friendly deal like Dirk did as he ages.

Regardless though...three years from now...they'll have likely peak Anthony Davis and prime Kuzma...with cap space....and they will have some draft picks...they didn't trade every single one.

Are there risks? Sure, but the Lakers have actually "sucked" for 6 straight years....and they didn't "hit" on any of their picks...signed horrible contracts...and made bad trades to dump those horrible contracts.

Cleaning the books to add a 26 year old hall of famer that is clearly hungry to prove himself seems like a move you have to make when you are a destination for free agents.

Fair enough. Not much to disagree with. Even if Lebron signs another contract in 3 years time, it wont be for anything near the max. And AD is only just entering his prime and will be dess smack in the middle of it when lebron's contract ends.

[Real Men Wear Green]

So are you arguing they will "suck" during the next 3 years or after?
I figure they'll be serious contenders next season and maybe the season after. After that I expect to see them struggle.

Of course if they sign Kawhi Leonard that all goes out the window,

[DMAVS41]

I figure they'll be serious contenders next season and maybe the season after. After that I expect to see them struggle.

Of course if they sign Kawhi Leonard that all goes out the window,

Ok, but you do realize that Lebron is only under contract for the next 2 seasons with a player option the following year...right?

So I'm not sure where the "no cap space" stuff is coming from when the only guys we know that will be under contract after the 2 years you think they'll be legit title contenders...

Are Davis/Kuzma...and again, on deals that will likely be quite good given the incoming increases.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Ok, but you do realize that Lebron is only under contract for the next 2 seasons with a player option the following year...right?

So I'm not sure where the "no cap space" stuff is coming from when the only guys we know that will be under contract after the 2 years you think they'll be legit title contenders...

Are Davis/Kuzma...and again, on deals that will likely be quite good given the incoming increases.
He's not going to exercise his player option to take a pay cut. He's gone on record after the Heat days saying he's no longer going to accept less than his value. When he's 38 he probably won't be worth the max on the court but he'll still be a box office draw, like Jordan on the Wizards. And if he isn't that, do you think he'll opt out so that he can have less money? The only way LA gets out of paying him for that year is if he suffers a major injury.

They aren't going to have cap space because they have to fill out the roster as best they can to win immediately. That's why Tristan Thompson and JR Smith got big deals in Cleveland. Do you think they won't be going all out? Contending teams always spend all their money. If they sign Leonard they're golden, but I don't expect that. Irving and AD would be enought to stay respectable but Irving looks Brooklyn-bound. Kemba Walker sounds like he stays in Charlotte if they bring the money so they have a chance if MJ is watching his dollars but that's not a good bet. Jimmy Butler is within reach, certainly, and I could be wrong about him here but I don't see him as the second star to carry a team once James' has declined too far.

[Kblaze8855]

A team wont care if they suck in 3 years if they can maybe win now. 3 years from now is like a whole other lifetime. 3 years ago the Clippers were still Lob City.

[ImKobe]

its a facade





Enjoy this swift stop on a dime fading banker to close a finals game

https://i.gyazo.com/7ca70bb529449b676da2a7277180d4c5.gif

what? :facepalm a bucket with 1:28 to go is the best you got? That's not a game-winner by any means

KD hits a three to get within two at 98 - 96 and then Lebron fouls him on a shot to tie and the refs just let it go.

[Real Men Wear Green]

A team wont care if they suck in 3 years if they can maybe win now. 3 years from now is like a whole other lifetime. 3 years ago the Clippers were still Lob City.
Sure, I'd have done the sae thing. I was just pointing out the downside for LA.

[ArbitraryWater]

what? :facepalm a bucket with 1:28 to go is the best you got? That's not a game-winner by any means

KD hits a three to get within two at 98 - 96 and then Lebron fouls him on a shot to tie and the refs just let it go.

just enjoy it :cheers:

probably a more crucial go ahead shot than kobe's ever hit in the finals, LOL

[DMAVS41]

He's not going to exercise his player option to take a pay cut. He's gone on record after the Heat days saying he's no longer going to accept less than his value. When he's 38 he probably won't be worth the max on the court but he'll still be a box office draw, like Jordan on the Wizards. And if he isn't that, do you think he'll opt out so that he can have less money? The only way LA gets out of paying him for that year is if he suffers a major injury.

They aren't going to have cap space because they have to fill out the roster as best they can to win immediately. That's why Tristan Thompson and JR Smith got big deals in Cleveland. Do you think they won't be going all out? Contending teams always spend all their money. If they sign Leonard they're golden, but I don't expect that. Irving and AD would be enought to stay respectable but Irving looks Brooklyn-bound. Kemba Walker sounds like he stays in Charlotte if they bring the money so they have a chance if MJ is watching his dollars but that's not a good bet. Jimmy Butler is within reach, certainly, and I could be wrong about him here but I don't see him as the second star to carry a team once James' has declined too far.

I do think they'll be going all out, but I don't know who they are getting so I can't evaluate the contracts....certainly not well enough to say they are going to "suck"...after 2 years.

You are actually making my point for me about the player option. If Lebron really is going to opt out after the next 2 years...that could be great for the Lakers if he declines and they don't want to pay him...they can just let him walk.

I don't personally think that will happen, but my point is that we just don't know enough yet to be saying what you are 3 years from now.

The only safe bet is that in 3 years they have a peak Davis and prime Kuzma under contract.

And I'll take that,easily, over paying Ball/Ingram/Hart and hoping you hit a draft pick.

[BallsOut]

Lakers had to do this if they are going to have a shot at a championship with James. Might be a two year window but they can win any series against any opponent if their two stars are healthy (I am assuming that James can still defend when he wants to and just didn't last season to conserve energy). Their main guys will be taking too many breaks in the regular season to be a top seed but they should make the Finals with the Warriors demise.

They will suck within three seasons with James aging, no cap space and the Pelicans having their draft picks into the 23rd century but for now we have to take them seriously again.

For NO this is the best they can do. Losing Davis was going to be a setback no matter what but they should be able to formulate a deep and athletic team. Won't be a contender any time soon but that was going to be the case no matter what. A strong 22 and 12 ROY campaign and 19ppg from Ingram can get them between 6th and 8th. Could be an excellent defensive team with the right coaching.

Sounds like a salty ass Celtics fan who is upset the Celtics couldn't land Davis because no elite free agents want to sign in Boston with Ainge after what he did to IT and Kyrie is rumored to sign with LA.

The Lakers have no reason to suck after three years even if LeBron leaves. Did you not forget the fact that they couldn't even make the playoffs this year with a Prime Lebron? Quit acting like they'd be better the next three than the following three. Once the Lakers get rid of LeBron, they'll be even better because they can replace his corpse with someone who can actually play defense and takeover games. PG is a good candidate in three years. He's on the record saying he's open to coming to LA in the future.

[Charlie Sheen]

All the posters talking prime Kuzma... how much better do you expect him to be in 3 years?

[ArbitraryWater]

All the posters talking prime Kuzma... how much better do you expect him to be in 3 years?

if he's just slightly better than what he is now, like a 20 ppg scorer with efficiency, he's a fringe all star.

[bladefd]

Interesting tidbit that could open up some money:
[QUOTE]If Davis waives his $4.7 million trade kicker, the Lakers will be able to add another star in free agency on a max contract. Whether it

[DMAVS41]

All the posters talking prime Kuzma... how much better do you expect him to be in 3 years?

I'd expect him to improve quite a bit in terms of decision making, shot selection, and his overall defense.

I don't think he's going to turn into a superstar or something, but I think he'll improve like most young players do...especially with playoff experience.

[DMAVS41]

Interesting tidbit that could open up some money:


So Lakers can sign a full max player if Davis waves his trade kicker, which he should.. He knows Lakers will make it up next summer with extension

If only the Lakers weren't paying Deng 5 million per year for the next 3 years.

But, had to get that veteran leadership! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Real Men Wear Green]

I do think they'll be going all out, but I don't know who they are getting so I can't evaluate the contracts....certainly not well enough to say they are going to "suck"...after 2 years.There is a short list of stars that keep them strong. Otherwise I expect them to follow the Cavs' playbook from a few years ago.


You are actually making my point for me about the player option. If Lebron really is going to opt out after the next 2 years...that could be great for the Lakers if he declines and they don't want to pay him...they can just let him walk.James is smart and he has the same agent as AD. If he opts out it will only be to get more money from the Lakers or because the Lakers' situation is failing. If he wants to stay there that same agent that has engineered this current trade will be seeing to it that the client that is responsible for all of his success is taken care of.


I don't personally think that will happen, but my point is that we just don't know enough yet to be saying what you are 3 years from now.True but we could be saying that about much of this discussion, a lot changes over three years.


The only safe bet is that in 3 years they have a peak Davis and prime Kuzma under contract.

And I'll take that,easily, over paying Ball/Ingram/Hart and hoping you hit a draft pick.I would as well just for Davis' sake. I don't disagree with the trade at all. Just in a few years I can see LA as being where NO was before they did this deal.

[BallsOut]

If only the Lakers weren't paying Deng 5 million per year for the next 3 years.

But, had to get that veteran leadership! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

This is where bad signings in the past come to hurt the Lakers flexibility.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Sounds like a salty ass Celtics fan who is upset the Celtics couldn't land Davis because no elite free agents want to sign in Boston with Ainge after what he did to IT and Kyrie is rumored to sign with LA.The Celtics haven't had a chance to sign an elite free agent since the IT trade so you don't have a point here. Nothing that I have said in this thread is about the Celtics.


The Lakers have no reason to suck after three years even if LeBron leaves. Did you not forget the fact that they couldn't even make the playoffs this year with a Prime Lebron? Quit acting like they'd be better the next three than the following three. Once the Lakers get rid of LeBron, they'll be even better because they can replace his corpse with someone who can actually play defense and takeover games. PG is a good candidate in three years. He's on the record saying he's open to coming to LA in the future.Where did I write the Lakers shouldn't have done this trade? You don't have a point.

[BallsOut]

Interesting tidbit that could open up some money:


So Lakers can sign a full max player if Davis waves his trade kicker, which he should.. He knows Lakers will make it up next summer with extension

Woj reported Davis deal will be official on July 6th. That implies his trade kicker won't be waived. LA then only has about 23.5 mil to fill out the roster. That's also not enough for a third mega star.

[Kingwillball]

Woj reported Davis deal will be official on July 6th. That implies his trade kicker won't be waived. LA then only has about 23.5 mil to fill out the roster. That's also not enough for a third mega star.

Said it can change also.. and if there are rumors of another big star coming something has to give.

[bladefd]

Woj reported Davis deal will be official on July 6th. That implies his trade kicker won't be waived. LA then only has about 23.5 mil to fill out the roster. That's also not enough for a third mega star.

AD can still waive trade kicker. Lets wait and see if he does.

[Turbo Slayer]

WE GOING TO FORM A SUPERTEAM MARK MY WORDS

we gonna win not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7, but 8 rings on his hairline. This is about to get lit!!!!!!!!!!

:hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime:

[LAVAR BALL]

Woj reported Davis deal will be official on July 6th. That implies his trade kicker won't be waived. LA then only has about 23.5 mil to fill out the roster. That's also not enough for a third mega star.

What about the spot 6-12 of the roster?? Like, you know AD ain't that much of an Ironman and Lebron had his first major Injurie in 15 years. How do you plan to win games when they will both miss 15-20 games a year and you can't even sign anyone?

[Levity]

What about the spot 6-12 of the roster?? Like, you know AD ain't that much of an Ironman and Lebron had his first major Injurie in 15 years. How do you plan to win games when they will both miss 15-20 games a year and you can't even sign anyone?

the assistant coaches will play

[sdot_thadon]

the assistant coaches will play
now Jason Kidd makes perfect sense :oldlol:

[Charlie Sheen]

if he's just slightly better than what he is now, like a 20 ppg scorer with efficiency, he's a fringe all star.
Scoring is his game. He's already there, AW. His first half of the season was that fringe all star level. It gets overshadowed because Ingram was putting it all together right around the break and that was the discussion.


I'd expect him to improve quite a bit in terms of decision making, shot selection, and his overall defense.

I don't think he's going to turn into a superstar or something, but I think he'll improve like most young players do...especially with playoff experience.

I don't have as sure as expectations as you, bu he's going to have to. With Lebron and AD, Kuz is going to need to contribute in other ways than scoring to help close out games. In that respect, he has a ton of growth to make yet.

[DMAVS41]

Scoring is his game. He's already there, AW. His first half of the season was that fringe all star level. It gets overshadowed because Ingram was putting it all together right around the break and that was the discussion.



I don't have as sure as expectations as you, bu he's going to have to. With Lebron and AD, Kuz is going to need to contribute in other ways than scoring to help close out games. In that respect, he has a ton of growth to make yet.

Well, yea...and if he doesn't...he'll be shipped out for someone who will....and he knows that.

We'll see, but I'd imagine he'll work his ass off on defense when needed.

[Lebron23]

No excuses for LeBron this time if the Lakers miss the playoffs again. He got his help.

No.1 seed in the Western Conference this season.

[Axe]

No.1 seed in the Western Conference this season.
So ad is the x-factor and superman

[light]

So ad is the x-factor and superman

They were 4th last year before the injury and trade drama and they're 1st this year, so AD helped bump them up a few spots for sure. But LeBron is carrying the load. He's the captain of their ship. They all follow his lead.

[Shooter]

They were 4th last year before the injury and trade drama and they're 1st this year, so AD helped bump them up a few spots for sure. But LeBron is carrying the load. He's the captain of their ship. They all follow his lead.

LeCaptainOneSeed

[Axe]

They were 4th last year before the injury and trade drama and they're 1st this year, so AD helped bump them up a few spots for sure. But LeBron is carrying the load. He's the captain of their ship. They all follow his lead.
Lol 20-14 is not something to brag about when the cavs went 24-10 through their first 34 games in his last season with them.

[light]

Lol 20-14 is not something to brag about when the cavs went 24-10 through their first 34 games in his last season with them.

Sensational in both cases.

[Axe]

Sensational in both cases.
But yes, the fact that he was only able to play 55 games in that season became the catalyst for the lakers missing the postseason for the 6th straight year and thus, magic also resigning as team president last year and luke walton parting ways with the lakers as well.

[Proctor]

WE GOING TO FORM A SUPERTEAM MARK MY WORDS

we gonna win not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7, but 8 rings on his hairline. This is about to get lit!!!!!!!!!!

:hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime:

When alting goes wrong :(

[Lebron23]

Best trade ever. David is greater than the young core

[FireDavidKahn]

Best trade ever. David is greater than the young core

Muh youn core doe

[keep-itreal]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Adam_Silver_%2815847004771%29.jpg/1200px-Adam_Silver_%2815847004771%29.jpg

[TheCorporation]

Trust me on this.....

Within 2 weeks half this board will act like Davis is so great that losing with him would be the greatest failure in league history.


How can anyone think this is a win for the lakers? A gutted team with a career loser center, an aging LeBron and absolutely Zero spot up 3 point shooters...this is not going to end well for the lakers
:coleman:


Not my boy lonzo....we gave up too much man, who tf were we bidding against?


Lonzo, Ingram, hart, 4th pick, and 2 more future 1st? Wtf.


Anyways, welcome ad. Crazy to have 2 superstars on the Lakers again. Free agency pretty sure we can afford 1 more. Kyrie? Kemba?


NO made out like bandits on this one.

:lol Well damn

[TheCorporation]

**** off. It's AD+LeBron+Kuzma. Dumbasses who still think LeBron is a top player when he doesn't play a lick of defense.


No. We want to win the championship with Leonard+AD. But we have to settle for AD and a father time LeBron who still thinks he is the best player on the team when he's not. That's a recipe for disaster. The last time that happened, LeBron cost the Heat a title and Wade a finals MVP.


Lakers traded away their best three defenders. LeBron's defense gonna get exposed even more :lebronamazed:


pelicans made off like bandits. they were already getting zion, now they have the best defensive pg in the game, a guy who can be a 20-5-5 second option, and now a whole mess of 1st round picks that they could either use or flip to get some solid vets.

wouldn't shock me if they snuk into the 8th seed next year.


Lakers are stupid. They gave up too much just to have another superstar injury prone kid. I don't think this was worth it. NO walked away with pure robbery. If AD walks or not they just fully rebuilt. They walked away with a fcking steal getting rid of him now for the biggest idiot to offer the most.

Celtics smart to keep Tatum. Wasn't worth the risk. Thank God knicks didn't cave and gave RJ

Damn :lol

[Lebron23]

Much young core

[Nilocon165]

So who won the trade

[bobopenguin]

NO made out like bandits on this one.

:oldlol: highway robbery.