Anthony Davis will win 2020 MVP

[3ball]

Picking up a lottery team from the ashes.. all the stars align

I'm a Rich Paul playa hata but goddamn he did good for his client on this one.. :facepalm

[Smoke117]

So shook about Bran winning more 'ships. :roll: :roll:

[3ball]

So shook about Bran winning more 'ships. :roll: :roll:
Will bump when it happens, assuming mods don't delete

[Smoke117]

You've never even watched Anthony Davis. You are just going on about how good he is now because you want to discredit LeBron if the Lakers win the championships. You will basically be making post sucking Davis off all season long for this reason. You're pathetically transparent, bro. :lol

[3ball]

You've never even watched Anthony Davis. You are just going on about how good he is now because you want to discredit LeBron if the Lakers win the championships. You will basically be making post sucking Davis off all season long for this reason. You're pathetically transparent, bro. :lol
Of course I've watched him

I guarantee I know his game much better than you

Ur just salty because lebron is maxed out with only 3 rings as the best player, 3 fmvp.. :facepalm

[Smoke117]

Of course I've watched him

I guarantee I know his game much better than you

Ur just salty because lebron is maxed out with only 3 rings as the best player, 3 fmvp.. :facepalm

Yes, I'm super salty about a player I don't care about not winning more championships. Unlike you, I don't obsess over players.

[3ball]

Yes, I'm super salty about a player I don't care about not winning more championships. Unlike you, I'm, I don't obsess over players.
Yeah, ur salty alright... Salty117

[Smoke117]

Yeah, ur salty alright... Salty117

Very clever. Did you think of that all by yourself? I don't know what's more pathetic with you LeBron haters, the fact that you obsess on a shitty message board about him or that you think anyone who doesn't is actually a fan. He's always bored me as a player, but none of that changes that he's one of the greatest of all time. I don't have to like him to see that, moron.

And again, YOU ARE A MIDDLE AGED MAN WHO SPENDS HIS FREE TIME OBSESSIVELY HATING A BASKETBALL PLAYER ON A SHITTY MESSAGE BOARD. Seek help.

[Im so nba'd out]

Bruce i mean 3 Ball, where do you honestly have lebron ranked all-time?Give me a set number not a range


I honestly want to know

[NBAGOAT]

I doubt it with how the lakers are looking. Someone like Giannis will repeat, maybe even embiid or jokic taking the next step. I do agree ad could definitely be their best player next yr however

[3ball]

Bruce i mean 3 Ball, where do you honestly have lebron ranked all-time?Give me a set number not a range


I honestly want to know
1) MJ
2) Wilt
3) Bird
4) Magic
5) Kobe
6) Kareem
7) Shaq
8) Russell
9) Duncan
10) Durant
11) Hakeem
12) Bob Pettit
13) Moses
14) Dirk
15) Dr. J
16) Lebron

Let me know if you have any questions on anyone above.. I'm happy to provide backup for every ranking

I generally ranked dominant wings over dominant bigs, because bigs generally need more help

I think also Isiah, Garnett, Malone, Barkley and others would win more rings with the help Lebron had.. but the guys listed ahead of lebron above DEFINITELY win more with the same help and circumstance

[Smoke117]

1) MJ
2) Wilt
3) Bird
4) Magic
5) Kobe
6) Kareem
7) Shaq
8) Russell
9) Duncan
10) Durant
11) Hakeem
12) Bob Pettit
13) Moses
14) Dirk
15) Dr. J
16) Lebron

Let me know if you have any questions on anyone above.. I'm happy to provide backup for every ranking

I generally ranked dominant wings over dominant bigs, because bigs generally need more help

I think also Isiah, Garnett, Malone, Barkley and others would win more rings with the help Lebron had.. but the guys listed ahead of lebron above DEFINITELY win more with the same help and circumstance

Despite myself, I'd love to hear the reasoning of how Durant (who won two championships on the most stacked team ever) is 10 and LeBron is 16. :oldlol: It's basically impossible to take you seriously when you have LeBron at 16. It's fine if you hate him, but when you post shit like this all it does is magnify how little you know about basketball and how pathetically biased you are. LeBron is going to always be considered a top 5 player of all time whether you like it or not. You also, literally, just made a post about how The Lakers now have two top 3 players in the league. You were including a soon to be 35 year old and 17 year veteran in there. So if he's top 3 now then in his prime he must have been the best player in the league for a decade? But he's only 16. You are laughably fukking stupid. :lol

It's also hilarious to have Kobe in your top 5 and not have Kareem in there. You are legitimately one of the dumbest posters on this board as you aren't even trolling...you are just this fukking stupid.

[Vino24]

He ranks Wilt 2nd :oldlol:

[NBAGOAT]

1) MJ
2) Wilt
3) Bird
4) Magic
5) Kobe
6) Kareem
7) Shaq
8) Russell
9) Duncan
10) Durant
11) Hakeem
12) Bob Pettit
13) Moses
14) Dirk
15) Dr. J
16) Lebron

Let me know if you have any questions on anyone above.. I'm happy to provide backup for every ranking

I generally ranked dominant wings over dominant bigs, because bigs generally need more help

I think also Isiah, Garnett, Malone, Barkley and others would win more rings with the help Lebron had.. but the guys listed ahead of lebron above DEFINITELY win more with the same help and circumstance

This is such a box score list except when you don

[Vino24]

Russell ranked 8th yet Wilt is 2nd. Bahaha Russell shits on MJ

[RRR3]

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]This is such a box score list except when you don

[3ball]

This is such a boxscore list


Not really.. I stressed winning first, which includes skills that facilitate winning.... also comp, and how they did against said comp.. and their help





except when you don’t like a guys style and then his box score stats mean nothing. Like you say you value wings, then why is wilt so high?


There's exceptions to every rule.... Wilt's stats are so much better than everyone's in history that it's a justifiable exception

Ultimately, the 60's Celtics needed ten-HOF teams to beat Wilt - literally - Russell had 8-9 HOF teammates on those championship teams, in an 8 team league!!.. :eek: .. that's the goat dynasty.. Pettit and Wilt notched wins against them though, and Pettit took them 7 in another year





Also others will point out others on the list so I’ll only ask dr.j. Wat does he do better besides score in transition. Worse shooter even most likely. Superduo with McGinnis was an utter failure honestly. Only won a ring with his eras version of gs with a finals team with toney, Bobby Jones, Maurice cheeks adding moses losing very little


I could've flip-flopped lebron and Dr. J - they're both kind of suboptimal and lost with stacked squads.. needed shit tons of help, etc

But Dr. J was a comparable athlete to Lebron..... despite no modern training..... Zero weightlifting - ZERO... none of the stuff lebron has -

If Dr. J spent "millions" each year on his body like lebron does, his athleticism would've been otherwordly and goat easily - this is precisely why lebron once called Dr. J the goat
.

[NBAGOAT]

Not really.. I stressed winning first, which includes skills that facilitate winning.... also comp, and how they did against said comp.. and their help



There's exceptions to every rule.... Wilt's stats are so much better than everyone's in history that it's a justifiable exception

Ultimately, the 60's Celtics needed ten-HOF teams to beat Wilt - literally - Russell had 8-9 HOF teammates on those championship teams, in an 8 team league!!.. :eek: .. that's the goat dynasty.. Pettit and Wilt notched wins against them though, and Pettit took them 7 in another year



I could've flip-flopped lebron and Dr. J - they're both kind of suboptimal and lost with stacked squads.. needed shit tons of help, etc

But Dr. J was a comparable athlete to Lebron..... despite no modern training..... Zero weightlifting - ZERO... none of the stuff lebron has -

If Dr. J spent "millions" each year on his body like lebron does, his athleticism would've been otherwordly and goat easily - this is precisely why lebron once called Dr. J the goat
.

I was giving dr.j the benefit of the doubt with transition even though he’s great there. Lebron is a better passer shooter and defender. And by this logic shouldn’t wilt or Russell be easily the goats. They had comparable athleticism to other later great centers. Shouldn’t Oscar be like top 5-10 with his otherworldly stats, stellar athleticism for his era, and the Celtics needing 8 hofers(this is exaggeration btw to discredit Russell). Shouldn’t Kareem be like top 5 at least for his stats and athleticism too :oldlol:. Inconsistent as hell criteria

You do realize it’s easier to have 8 hofers in a 8 team league since the nba didn’t increase the number of all star or all-nba selections to match the increase in player pool. 8 hofers sounds crazy(this is exaggeration from u to discredit Russell btw) but even on .500 teams, wilt and Russell had like 2-3 hof teammates

[SpaceJam2]

You've never even watched Anthony Davis. You are just going on about how good he is now because you want to discredit LeBron if the Lakers win the championships. You will basically be making post sucking Davis off all season long for this reason. You're pathetically transparent, bro. :lol

:lol :lol

[3ball]

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]I was giving dr.j the benefit of the doubt with transition even though he

[Hey Yo]

Picking up a lottery team from the ashes.. all the stars align

I'm a Rich Paul playa hata but goddamn he did good for his client on this one.. :facepalm
But I thought LeBron makes his teammates worse?

[AussieSteve]

1) MJ
2) Wilt
3) Bird
4) Magic
5) Kobe
6) Kareem
7) Shaq
8) Russell
9) Duncan
10) Durant
11) Hakeem
12) Bob Pettit
13) Moses
14) Dirk
15) Dr. J
16) Lebron

Let me know if you have any questions on anyone above.. I'm happy to provide backup for every ranking

I generally ranked dominant wings over dominant bigs, because bigs generally need more help

I think also Isiah, Garnett, Malone, Barkley and others would win more rings with the help Lebron had.. but the guys listed ahead of lebron above DEFINITELY win more with the same help and circumstance

Dr J, who won one NBA ring, as arguably the 4th best player on his team, is greater than lebron. Right.

Durant, who literally needed to join the league's best team to win a ring, a team that made the finals in 2015, 2016 and 2019 without him, is top 10?

As if we need any more incentive to completely disregard everything you post.

Where do you rank Pippen?

[3ball]

But I thought LeBron makes his teammates worse?
He turns them into play-finishers, which AD already is

Lebron has never teamed up with a player like AD that fits his narrow ball-dominant skill set perfectly.. it's scary as a 20-year laker-hater.. i literally hated the Lakers since they beat the blazers in 2000 when potty pippen let young whipper-snapper Kobe school the crap out of him

Anyway I digress

This is a great fit; one of the only great fits for lebron in the league.. great shooters like kyrie or durant would be a good fit too, but they aren't pure play-finishers like AD... And i'm aware that AD can iso too and has some skill, but he's gets assisted on 75% of his buckets - kyrie 25%... KD about 50%... Like, that's how much better a fit AD is

[Smoke117]

He turns them into play-finishers, which AD already is

Lebron has never teamed up with a player like AD that fits his narrow ball-dominant skill set perfectly.. it's scary as a 20-year laker-hater.. i literally hated the Lakers since they beat the blazers in 2000 when potty pippen let young whipper-snapper Kobe school the crap out of him

Anyway I digress

This is a great fit; one of the only great fits for lebron in the league.. great shooters like kyrie or durant would be a good fit too, but they aren't pure play-finishers like AD... And i'm aware that AD can iso too and has some skill, but he's gets assisted on 75% of his buckets - kyrie 25%... KD about 50%... Like, that's how much better a fit AD is

So are you ever going to explain how Kevin Durant is top 10, but LeBron is 16 and how Kobe is top 5, but kareem isn't? You this scared about being laughed off the board?

[3ball]

Dr J, who won one NBA ring, as arguably the 4th best player on his team, is greater than lebron. Right.

Durant, who literally needed to join the league's best team to win a ring, a team that made the finals in 2015, 2016 and 2019 without him, is top 10?

As if we need any more incentive to completely disregard everything you post.

Where do you rank Pippen?
Lebron has teamed up with superstars THREE times now, compared to Durant's 1 time

And the Warriors weren't the best team in 2016 (lost the championshio) - infact, they were barely.500 in the Finals (7-6) until Durant made them unbeatable.. Then he got hurt and they went back to barely winning in the Finals again... So Durant is legit and proved his worth

Regarding Dr. J/Lebron, I could've flip-flopped them and put lebron ahead - they're both insane athletes, but kind of suboptimal skill-wise and lost with stacked squads.. needed shit tons of help, etc

And I just think Dr. J had zero modern training and zero weightlifting - yet Dr. J was a comparable athlete to Lebron.. probably a better natural athlete

If Dr. J spent "millions" each year on his body like lebron does, his athleticism would've been otherwordly and goat easily - this is precisely why lebron once called Dr. J the goat

And Pippen - he's comparable to Paul George, but worse scoring.. so idk, where does George rank all-time?.. maybe move Pippen up a few spots for winning rings with the goat, or maybe not.. depends on how you look at it
.

[3ball]

So are you ever going to explain how Kevin Durant is top 10, but LeBron is 16 and how Kobe is top 5, but kareem isn't? You this scared about being laughed off the board?
Generally, dominant wings need less help than dominant bigs

Shaq needed peak Kobe, Wade, and Penny to win Finals, while Kobe needed Pau... :confusedshrug:

Kareem won 6 rings with 8 all-star teammates (25 appearances), while Kobe won 5 rings with 4 all-star teammates (10 appearances)... Magic won 5 with 5 all-star teammates (20 appearances).. and Russell needed the most help of all - 7 HOF casts to win his rings

Dominant wings are simply more skilled, control the action more, and generally need less help - so I ranked guys like Kobe, Magic and Bird over Kareem/Shaq/Duncan/Russell..

And I rank Durant over Lebron for the same reason I ranked Dirk over Bron - he curb-stomped Bron... twice... :confusedshrug:.... Give Durant or Dirk a cast with Wade/Bosh and they 3-peat from 11-13', and in more dominant fashion than lebron's squeakers/bailouts.. heck, Dirk was making the Finals from the West with.... nobody.. his casts were complete trash

[Smoke117]

Generally, dominant wings need less help than dominant bigs

Shaq needed peak Kobe, Wade, and Penny to win Finals, while Kobe needed Pau... :confusedshrug:

Kareem won 6 rings with 8 all-star teammates (25 appearances), while Kobe won 5 rings with 4 all-star teammates (10 appearances)... Magic won 5 with 5 all-star teammates (20 appearances).. and Russell needed the most help of all - 7 HOF casts to win his rings

Dominant wings are simply more skilled, control the action more, and generally need less help - so I ranked guys like Kobe, Magic and Bird over Kareem/Shaq/Duncan/Russell..

And I rank Durant over Lebron for the same reason I ranked Dirk over Bron - he curb-stomped Bron... twice... :confusedshrug:.... Give Durant or Dirk a cast with Wade/Bosh and they 3-peat from 11-13', and in more dominant fashion than lebron's squeakers/bailouts.. heck, Dirk was making the Finals from the West with.... nobody.. his casts were complete trash

lmfao...Durant joining a 73 win team and making the most stacked team of all time because they beat a clearly inferior LeBron Cavs led team? Jesus christ. I knew your response was going to be laughably stupid, but this just takes the cake. :roll: :roll:

[3ball]

lmfao...Durant joining a 73 win team and making the most stacked team of all time because they beat a clearly inferior LeBron Cavs led team? Jesus christ. I knew your response was going to be laughably stupid, but this just takes the cake. :roll: :roll:
Actually, durant outplayed Lebron all 3 times they met in the Finals, significantly

He's better than Lebron, but simply didn't team up as much or stack the deck in a weak conference..

I just don't respect lebron's accomplishments because they required excess talent to cover up his weak teamwork style/skillset, and also required stacking the deck in a conference where Dwight was dragging weak casts to the Finals

[Smoke117]

Actually, durant outplayed Lebron all 3 times they met in the Finals, significantly

He's better than Lebron, but simply didn't team up as much or stack the deck in a weak conference..

I just don't respect lebron's accomplishments because they required excess talent to cover up his weak teamwork style/skillset, and also required stacking the deck in a conference where Dwight was dragging weak casts to the Finals

You don't respect him because he's a threat to your hero and you are such a deranged middle aged man it actually matters to you. :lol You are a middle aged man who spends his free time on this shitty board trying to bury a man who plays a game for a living.

[3ball]

You don't respect him because he's a threat to your hero and you are such a deranged middle aged man it actually matters to you. :lol You are a middle aged man who spends his free time on this shitty board trying to bury a man who plays a game for a living.
He ain't no threat - MJ tramples that ***** in virtually every poll ever made

Ur just salty that all of lebron's accomplishments are due to stacking the deck in a conference where Dwight was dragging weak casts to the Finals

[Smoke117]

He ain't no threat - MJ tramples that ***** in virtually every poll ever made

Ur just salty that all of lebron's accomplishments are due to stacking the deck in a conference where Dwight was dragging weak casts to the Finals

Sorry, Princess, I didn't mean to upset you. WE ARE DISCUSSING A SILLY GAME WHERE YOU SHOOT AN ORANGE BALL INTO A RED RIM...you understand this, right? You'd think Michael Jordan saved the entire world with his jumpshot the way you swallow is member.

[SouBeachTalents]

1) MJ
2) Wilt
3) Bird
4) Magic
5) Kobe
6) Kareem
7) Shaq
8) Russell
9) Duncan
10) Durant
11) Hakeem
12) Bob Pettit
13) Moses
14) Dirk
15) Dr. J
16) Lebron
This dude can't even keep his top 10 consistent within a few months span :lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13565598&postcount=1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13586947&postcount=8

[Smoke117]

This dude can't even keep his top 10 consistent within a few months span :lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13565598&postcount=1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13586947&postcount=8

He is the boards biggest clown. :oldlol:

[NBAGOAT]

This dude can't even keep his top 10 consistent within a few months span :lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13565598&postcount=1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13586947&postcount=8

This is absolutely hilarious after the conversation about wilt. The rankings are so jumbled, not just like two guys flipping. I guess he’s actually less sure about wilt being that high than he’s trying to pass off :oldlol:. Criteria are so inconsistent his lists cant stay consistent either

[MaxPlayer]

This dude can't even keep his top 10 consistent within a few months span :lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13565598&postcount=1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13586947&postcount=8

Damn, what did Mikan do the last 4 months to drop from #10 to out of the top 16? Did he admit that he liked Lebron during a seance or something?

[SpaceJammeR]

dude deep down knows lebron is 1a/b with jordan that's we he always comparing the two and can't stop talking about lebron. the more he talks the more its true. so keep talking.:applause: :applause: :applause:

[3ball]

dude deep down knows lebron is 1a/b with jordan that's we he always comparing the two and can't stop talking about lebron. the more he talks the more its true. so keep talking.:applause: :applause: :applause:
Not at all.. Lebron can barely win with super-teams because he's only elite on-ball/harden-ball style.. that's nowhere near MJ.. I have to continuously point this out because media/fans have overrated lebron's WWE NBA career (the collusion, stacking the deck)

And regarding my rankings - I came around on Wilt and realized that he should be the lone exception to the "dominant wing > dominant big" rule that my rankings generally abide by

[ArbitraryWater]

This dude can't even keep his top 10 consistent within a few months span :lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13565598&postcount=1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13586947&postcount=8

damn, sons ranking changes every month :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Damn, what did Mikan do the last 4 months to drop from #10 to out of the top 16? Did he admit that he liked Lebron during a seance or something?

:roll: :roll:

[3ball]

This dude can't even keep his top 10 consistent within a few months span :lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13565598&postcount=1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13586947&postcount=8
^^^ those rankings are barely different

I realized recently that dominant bigs generally need more help than dominant wings, hence the slight ranking change to put Kobe ahead of the bigs, like magic and bird already were

It's a slight change that makes sense... the only other change was Wilt because I realized he should be the lone exception to the "dominant wing > dominant big" rule that my rankings generally abide by.. And Mikan was a troll against lebron but apparently no one saw the humor

[3ball]

.
Adjusted rankings



1) MJ
2) Wilt
3) Bird
4) Magic
5) Kobe
6) Kareem
7) Shaq
8) Russell
9) Duncan
10) Durant
11) Hakeem
12) Kawhi
13) Bob Pettit
14) Moses
15) Dirk

[j3lademaster]

Russell ranked 8th yet Wilt is 2nd. Bahaha Russell shits on MJeveryone who

[AussieSteve]

Lebron has teamed up with superstars THREE times now, compared to Durant's 1 time
.

I love it how...

Bosh, who hadn't made any All NBA team or been bettet than 12th in MVP voting four years was a superstar in 2011.

Kyrie who had never been All NBA, and to this day has never received an MVP vote, was a superstar in 2015.

I don't know you think was a superstar in 2019.

BUT...

Pippen, who was All NBA 1st team and 3rd in MVP voting as soon as he was free from Jordan, was just a rubbish scoring, ok facilitating, pretty good defending, run of the mill, all star.

3ball :facepalm

[NBAGOAT]

^^^ those rankings are barely different

I realized recently that dominant bigs generally need more help than dominant wings, hence the slight ranking change to put Kobe ahead of the bigs, like magic and bird already were

It's a slight change that makes sense... the only other change was Wilt because I realized he should be the lone exception to the "dominant wing > dominant big" rule that my rankings generally abide by.. And Mikan was a troll against lebron but apparently no one saw the humor

Yet the guys who have had the best carryjobs of mediocre teams to a title are big men in hakeem, Duncan, and technically dirk :oldlol:. Your humor comes from how wrong you are

[90sgoat]

This dude can't even keep his top 10 consistent within a few months span :lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13565598&postcount=1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13586947&postcount=8


3ball and I have almost identical lists except swap Wilt and Kareem.

Notice that 3ball puts Bird top 3, that's how you know you're dealing with an expert.

[3ball]

I love it how...

Bosh, who hadn't made any All NBA team


Bosh made all-nba so ur wrong there

And yes, he was a superstar, with many calling him the best 2-way PF in the game





Kyrie who had never been All NBA,


Kyrie was all-nba in 2015 and the all-star MVP in 2014

So yes, a superstar

Ur 0-2 so far..





Pippen, who was All NBA 1st team and 3rd in MVP voting as soon as he was free from Jordan, was just a rubbish scoring, ok facilitating, run of the mill, all star.


- Rubbish is a great way to describe pip's scoring and shooting ability - literally the worst-scoring 2nd option of any dynasty

- And he averaged 5.6 apg without Mike in 1994 - so that's "ok" facilitating, like you said... He averaged more assists alongside the goat assist target (off-ball MJ)...

- and yes, 19/6/6 guys are considered "run-of-the-mill" all-stars, unless they're winning 6 rings alongside the goat


Accordingly, I think your descriptions are accurate.. so 1/3..

[Smoke117]

Bosh made all-nba so ur wrong there

And yes, he was a superstar, with many calling him the best 2-way PF in the game



Kyrie was all-nba in 2015 and the all-star MVP in 2014

So yes, a superstar

So ur 0-2 so far..



- Rubbish is a great way to describe pip's scoring and shooting ability - literally the worst-scoring 2nd option of any dynasty

- And he averaged 5.6 apg without Mike in 1994 - so that's "ok" facilitating, like you said... He averaged more assists alongside the goat assist target (off-ball MJ)...

- and yes, 19/6/6 guys are considered "run-of-the-mill" all-stars, unless they're winning 6 rings alongside the goat


Accordingly, I think your descriptions are accurate.. so 1/3..

You have to basically know absolutely nothing about basketball if you think Kyrie Irving is a superstar. He's not even a top 10 player and there are maybe 5-6 superstars in the entire league. Wait, I forgot, we have to put LeBron's teammates on a pedestal to bring him down. Your pathetic disposition continues I see...

[3ball]

You have to basically know absolutely nothing about basketball if you think Kyrie Irving is a superstar. He's not even a top 10 player and there are maybe 5-6 superstars in the entire league. Wait, I forgot, we have to put LeBron's teammates on a pedestal to bring him down. Your pathetic disposition continues I see...
Here's the thing

Even if you don't think Kyrie was a superstar, Love was!

Love was an utterly dominant player that lebron "Bosh'd"...

Hopefully he won't do the same thing to AD... And no I'm not saying Love = AD... But he was a superstar before joining Bron that had lottery casts like AD (actually much worse casts than AD)

Yeah sure, MJ had Pippen, but lebron had a bunch of guys - he played with more good players than MJ did - 7 all-stars to mj's 1

[egokiller]

Lebron had an 11 time all star in bosh. There's no way you don't go 4/4 in Miami unless you are playing for stats and turning 11 time all stars in to spot up shooters, which is exactly what his style of play entails. It's shit basketball of the highest order. Combine it with being a 1 way player without max defensive effort and you'll lose much more than you win in the finals.

[AussieSteve]

Bosh made all-nba so ur wrong there

And yes, he was a superstar, with many calling him the best 2-way PF in the game



Kyrie was all-nba in 2015 and the all-star MVP in 2014

So yes, a superstar

Ur 0-2 so far..



- Rubbish is a great way to describe pip's scoring and shooting ability - literally the worst-scoring 2nd option of any dynasty

- And he averaged 5.6 apg without Mike in 1994 - so that's "ok" facilitating, like you said... He averaged more assists alongside the goat assist target (off-ball MJ)...

- and yes, 19/6/6 guys are considered "run-of-the-mill" all-stars, unless they're winning 6 rings alongside the goat


Accordingly, I think your descriptions are accurate.. so 1/3..

When Bosh joined lebron, he hadn't been All NBA for 4 years. He hadn't been top 10 in MVP in four years... superstar.

When kyrie joined lebron he had never been all NBA. He has still never received an MVO vote... superstar.

Pippen, 3rd in MVP. 1st team all NBA. 1st team All D. Trash 2nd option.

[Smoke117]

Here's the thing

Even if you don't think Kyrie was a superstar, Love was!

Love was an utterly dominant player that lebron "Bosh'd"...

Hopefully he won't do the same thing to AD... And no I'm not saying Love = AD... But he was a superstar before joining Bron that had lottery casts like AD (actually much worse casts than AD)

Yeah sure, MJ had Pippen, but lebron had a bunch of guys - he played with more good players than MJ did - 7 all-stars to mj's 1

True, he was so dominant he never led the Timberwolves to the playoffs. It's also hilarious how you retards keep going on about Bosh and Love. What do you think is going to happen when you go from the first option on a shitty team to the 3rd option a winning team?...your stats go down. That's just natural. lol Of course Bosh and Love were playing 3rd fiddle to Lebron/Wade and LeBron/Kyrie.

[egokiller]

It's amazing how MJ just did more with less while having to deal with actual defensive hand checking being applied. Can you imagine him in this era dropping 50 ppg? There's no question about it.

One night on jumps shooting alone, the next night on 3's alone, then the next all moves in the paint. He'd even even tell the opposing team what he would do and then deliver. Yikes! :applause:

[j3lademaster]

Here's the thing

Even if you don't think Kyrie was a superstar, Love was!

Love was an utterly dominant player that lebron "Bosh'd"...

Hopefully he won't do the same thing to AD... And no I'm not saying Love = AD... But he was a superstar before joining Bron that had lottery casts like AD (actually much worse casts than AD)

Yeah sure, MJ had Pippen, but lebron had a bunch of guys - he played with more good players than MJ did - 7 all-stars to mj's 1how do u rank 15 and 18 Lebron in terms of greatest finals performances? I know for a fact i

[aj1987]

.
Adjusted rankings



1) MJ
2) Wilt
3) Bird
4) Magic
5) Kobe
6) Kareem
7) Shaq
8) Russell
9) Duncan
10) Durant
11) Hakeem
12) Kawhi
13) Bob Pettit
14) Moses
15) Dirk
Yeah, I'm 100% sure that your mom was on crack when she had you and you're a derivative of your mom and her brother.

[j3lademaster]

So shook about Bran winning more 'ships. :roll: :roll:what

[j3lademaster]

Yeah, I'm 100% sure that your mom was on crack when she had you and you're a derivative of your mom and her brother.Just say he

[aj1987]

Just say he’s inbred dude. Your post reads of a douchy pseudo intellectual.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

You got all that from me using the word "derivative"?

Y'all are sensitive ****ing snowflakes.

:roll: :roll: :roll:


EDIT: Sorry I hurt your feelings, kid.

[ArbitraryWater]

[QUOTE=j3lademaster]how do u rank 15 and 18 Lebron in terms of greatest finals performances? I know for a fact i

[aj1987]

[QUOTE=j3lademaster]how do u rank 15 and 18 Lebron in terms of greatest finals performances? I know for a fact i

[j3lademaster]

u wont get anything outta him.

dont even bother.

but 16-18 finals bron >> 15 finals bron.we will just have to agree to disagree. Statistically sure, but the 15 warriors were an insane defensive team. Iguodala on Lebron with Klay and Draymond constantly with help. Lebron saw unreal defensive attention because his 2nd best offensive player is... who again.

18 was meh in Lebron standards outside of g1.

[j3lademaster]

Dude, the '11-'14 Heat almost always got raped when it came to rebounding. If it was that easy, they would've figured it out. Not saying that '15 LeBron was better than '18 LeBron (he wasn't), but rebounding is a crucial part of basketball. It's not not some random stat.I

[ArbitraryWater]

we will just have to agree to disagree. Statistically sure, but the 15 warriors were an insane defensive team. Iguodala on Lebron with Klay and Draymond constantly with help. Lebron saw unreal defensive attention because his 2nd best offensive player is... who again.

18 was meh in Lebron standards outside of g1.

'18 his and teams spirit was crushed by the biggest steal of a game ever. and he injured his hand due to frustration of jr.

but that was his best level, his best playoffs, up to that overtime.

15 he definitely shot worse because of no offensive help, but he was shooting pretty poorly all playoffs... his J was nowhere near what it became in the 2016 playoffs and beyond.

[aj1987]

I’m not saying rebounding isn’t important. Iso scoring and playmaking is a much more scarce skillset and thus more ‘valuable’. Finding roleplayers who rebound and hustle is a lot easier than finding one who can score and make plays.
You said it's the most replaceable stat in basketball and implied that anyone can do it.

That's not even remotely close to being true and you're just moving goal posts now.

BTW, I still don't know why you called me a "douchy pseudo intellectual". :confusedshrug:


we will just have to agree to disagree. Statistically sure, but the 15 warriors were an insane defensive team. Iguodala on Lebron with Klay and Draymond constantly with help. Lebron saw unreal defensive attention because his 2nd best offensive player is... who again.

18 was meh in Lebron standards outside of g1.
Who else did they have to cover in '15? Delly? JR, whow couldn't hit the broad side of a barn? Shump with a torn roatry cuff?

Who?

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=j3lademaster]how do u rank 15 and 18 Lebron in terms of greatest finals performances? I know for a fact i

[aj1987]

Those aren't even Lebron's most impressive post season performances. In 2015 he had a teammate that was playing so hard he had to be hospitalized for ****s sake. His best performance was game 5 in 2007 against the pistons. He scored 25 straight and no one else on the Cavs scored. This was:

Before everyone started trying to live vicariously through Cavs fans that lived in Cleveland.

Before he ever joined Miami where everyone who never saw MJ was suddenly a Miami Heat fan. :rolleyes:

Before he ruined his legacy by becoming a team hopping 3/9'er.

This was a legendary performance that actually mattered:

2:17.0 L. James makes 3-pt jump shot from 26 ft
0:31.4 L. James makes 2-pt dunk at rim
0:09.5 L. James makes 2-pt dunk at rim

Overtime

4:47.0 L. James makes free throw 1 of 2
4:47.0 L. James makes free throw 2 of 2
3:31.0 L. James makes 2-pt dunk at rim
2:54.0 L. James makes free throw 1 of 2
1:17.0 L. James makes free throw 1 of 2
1:17.0 L. James makes free throw 2 of 2
0:33.7 L. James makes 2-pt jump shot from 20 ft

2nd Overtime

4:31.0 L. James makes 2-pt jump shot from 19 ft
1:51.0 L. James makes 2-pt jump shot from 18 ft
1:14.0 L. James makes 3-pt jump shot from 26 ft
0:02.2 L. James makes 2-pt layup at rim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx4z_pCA_6k
Did you just stumble upon that game? Is the internet in the janitors closet that slow? I wouldn't put that game in my top 5 of his performances.

[ArbitraryWater]

Those aren't even Lebron's most impressive post season performances. In 2015 he had a teammate that was playing so hard he had to be hospitalized for ****s sake. His best performance was game 5 in 2007 against the pistons. He scored 25 straight and no one else on the Cavs scored. This was:

Before everyone started trying to live vicariously through Cavs fans that lived in Cleveland.

Before he ever joined Miami where everyone who never saw MJ was suddenly a Miami Heat fan. :rolleyes:

Before he ruined his legacy by becoming a team hopping 3/9'er.

This was a legendary performance that actually mattered:

2:17.0 L. James makes 3-pt jump shot from 26 ft
0:31.4 L. James makes 2-pt dunk at rim
0:09.5 L. James makes 2-pt dunk at rim

Overtime

4:47.0 L. James makes free throw 1 of 2
4:47.0 L. James makes free throw 2 of 2
3:31.0 L. James makes 2-pt dunk at rim
2:54.0 L. James makes free throw 1 of 2
1:17.0 L. James makes free throw 1 of 2
1:17.0 L. James makes free throw 2 of 2
0:33.7 L. James makes 2-pt jump shot from 20 ft

2nd Overtime

4:31.0 L. James makes 2-pt jump shot from 19 ft
1:51.0 L. James makes 2-pt jump shot from 18 ft
1:14.0 L. James makes 3-pt jump shot from 26 ft
0:02.2 L. James makes 2-pt layup at rim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx4z_pCA_6k


wow, u found one undeniably legendary game and are able to give "credit"...

want a lolipop?

now do the rest for his other half a hundred playoff epics

[egokiller]

Show me another playoff performance by him where he scores 25 to end the game and no one else scores. I'll wait. :sleeping


Did you just stumble upon that game? Is the internet in the janitors closet that slow? I wouldn't put that game in my top 5 of his performances.

Actually I was streaming the game live when it happened on my phone on the way to the hotel in the back of your taxi. Surprised you don't remember.

[j3lademaster]

Show me another playoff performance by him where he scores 25 to end the game and no one else scores. I'll wait. :sleepinghow many of those even exist in NBA history? Genuinely curious

[aj1987]

Actually I was streaming the game live when it happened on my phone on the way to the hotel in the back of your taxi. Surprised you don't remember.
The only time you were in the back of a taxi was when you were cleaning one, janitor.

Lets not forget that you know the differences in the tiles in McDonald's as well. Go back cleaning toilets, kid.

Glad I saw that other thread. :cheers:

[egokiller]

The only time you were in the back of a taxi was when you were cleaning one, janitor.

Lets not forget that you know the differences in the tiles in McDonald's as well. Go back cleaning toilets, kid.

Glad I saw that other thread. :cheers:

Now that I recall, the back of your cab was dirty as shit. You really should clean it out once and awhile little man. As for McDonald's tiles, Manny98 posted a picture which showed the floor tiles he was standing on and also black shoes that he had on that had McD arches on them. Then someone posted a picture they grabbed off the net showing those shoes as part of the McDonalds uniform and a picture of the tiles in a McD's in the Philippines. Both matched Manny's pics, confirming that he works at McD's in the Philippines. Glad I could clear that up for ya cabbie, those fumes were starting to get strong.:cheers:

[3ball]

I know for a fact i’m in the minority when i say Lebron's 2015 Finals is the best I’ve seen. Sometimes the superstar needs to keep shooting even when his shots not falling in order to remain impactful.



The Warriors have proven to be vulnerable without Durant, so Lebron kept the Cavs in that series with his volume alone, as other players have done in the past... But was he actually good in that series?

Here's some problems with his performance, and why his team could've done much better

The optimal scenario for a volume scorer is to get repeated iso's with almost no double-teams (https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-22-2019/6e5aBZ.gif) - that's exactly what lebron had, and they were literally the most isolated and spaced-out iso's the game has ever seen (these are all from Game 1):


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-05-2015/XIjX_w.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-05-2015/P5Zone.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-05-2015/I7p0lg.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-05-2015/xUCd0U.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-05-2015/CU5j5S.gif

http://www.gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/1e79dc71a542600a777d78638e6a7e69.gif


But despite all that room and time to operate with no double-teams, lebron shot 39%, specifically because he shot 28.7% (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4) on jumpers... No team can win with someone shooting 40% of the team's shots, at 39% a pop.. and this shouldn't have happened because lebron enjoyed the most isolated iso's ever, with no double-teams

If lebron had shot 50% with that volume, the Cavs win easily - unfortunately, his shot was broke.. again, shooting 39% while taking nearly 40% of your team's shots can't win... Especially if your defensive assignment is an 8 ppg role player (Iggy) that you allow to average 16 and have better impact than an all-time great (Curry)..


Secondly, Lebron held the ball longer than anyone ever has (a record) - an astounding 30% more than 19' Harden:



Time of Possession per game

Lebron 15' Finals - 12.2 (https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4) minutes
Harden 19' Reg S. - 9.3 (https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) minutes


Now I know what you're going to say - "lebron had nobody, so he had to hold the ball all the time"... But that's false - if the end result of the ball-domination is 35 ppg, then many players averaged 35 and didn't hold the ball anywhere near that long... Kawhi averaged 35 against the Sixers in ECSF and held the ball for 5.4 (https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=2) minutes..

Of course lebron averaged 8.9 assists... But his team only averaged 15.8 compared to the Warriors' 23.0... This is because he held the ball longer than anyone ever has, which destroyed ball-movement and made his teammates spot-up shooters... If he got his 35 points in 5 minutes like Kawhi instead of 12 minutes, the ball would've moved and his teammates would've had better opportunities... Indeed, Lebron's ball-domination will never be an adequate substitute for ball movement, which has always gotten better looks for role players than 1 guy dominating the ball in the half court

So ultimately, the Cavs could've beaten the Warriors if he achieved 35 ppg on 50% (given the repeated iso's that he enjoyed with no doubles), while reducing the Warriors team ppg by 8 points via holding Iggy to his normal 8 ppg instead of 16.. Most importantly, he should've scored his 35 in 5 minutes of hold-time instead of a preposterous 12 - then his teammates wouldn't be predictable spot-up shooters, while the team would have better ball movement and a brand of ball that can win.






2018 Lebron’s game 1 is amongst the best finals games I’ve ever seen.


Until the end.... when he broke down mentally because of JR's mistake and checked out of the OT.. This is unforgivable - he could've won that game and changed the trajectory of the series - but unfortunately, lebron has a history of checking out in the toughest moments (10' ECSF, 11' Finals).

Btw, Lebron's time of possession set a record again (11.5 (https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4) minutes, or 25% more than 19' Harden, and #2 all-time).. this caused weak ball movement and the Cavs getting massively out-assisted again.. Infact, the common thread in lebron's last 4 Finals losses is massive deficits in team assists..





I also get a good laugh whenever I read that Lebron should have taken the last shot instead of passing to Hill. It backfires so easily because in saying that you’re basically admitting that lbj’s help was so bad that year that he should have taken a contested jumper than hit an open teammate for a layup... a teammate who is supposed to be a good ft shooter.

P.s i have MJ as the goat so no need to bring him into it if u reply to me. I really just wanna know tour opinion of those finals performances.


This is where you have the logic backwards - you say lebron is the best player and needs the ball over teammates, but not on the last shot?

That's backwards - lebron should take the last shot unless effectively double-teamed, and make sure the ball moves and teammates are engaged throughout the game

Finally, show me an instance where MJ passed to a teammate for the last shot, and they MISSED

I'll wait..

MJ's fearlessness was contagious, and his teammates sought their "jordan moment" when it was their turn.. Lebron doesn't lead or galvanize teammates this way.. Maybe that's because he marginalizes them with his excessive hold time and their narrow role as spot-up shooters simply isn't inspiring..

And if you look at the most famous non-mj game-winner - paxson in 93' - the ball was MOVING and paxson was in rhythm.. lebron's teammates could never hit a winner like that because the ball don't move on his teams
.

[j3lademaster]

if you look at the most famous non-mj game-winner - paxson in 93' - the ball was MOVING and paxson was in rhythm.. lebron's teammates could never hit a winner like that because the ball don't move on his teams
.That's definitely a very good point. hard to hit gamewinning free throws if you haven't gotten the touches you're used to. I can tell this is analysis from someone who watches and understands the game at the highest level. Still a monumental testament to how great of a game Lebron had there. Warriors would have been favorites without Durant in that series and Lebron almost singlehandedly snatched g1 from them if it were for the egregious charge along with Hill and J.R choking.

All and all some very interesting perspectives, most that I agree with.

[aj1987]

Now I know what you're going to say - "lebron had nobody, so he had to hold the ball all the time"... But that's false - if the end result of the ball-domination is 35 ppg, then many players averaged 35 and didn't hold the ball anywhere near that long... Kawhi averaged 35 against the Sixers in ECSF and held the ball for 5.4 (https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=2) minutes..

Of course lebron averaged 8.9 assists... But his team only averaged 15.8 compared to the Warriors' 23.0... This is because he held the ball longer than anyone ever has, which destroyed ball-movement and made his teammates spot-up shooters... If he got his 35 points in 5 minutes like Kawhi instead of 12 minutes, the ball would've moved and his teammates would've had better opportunities... Indeed, Lebron's ball-domination will never be an adequate substitute for ball movement, which has always gotten better looks for role players than 1 guy dominating the ball in the half court

So ultimately, the Cavs could've beaten the Warriors if he achieved 35 ppg on 50% (given the repeated iso's that he enjoyed with no doubles), while reducing the Warriors team ppg by 8 points via holding Iggy to his normal 8 ppg instead of 16.. Most importantly, he should've scored his 35 in 5 minutes of hold-time instead of a preposterous 12 - then his teammates wouldn't be predictable spot-up shooters, while the team would have better ball movement and a brand of ball that can win.

Until the end.... when he broke down mentally because of JR's mistake and checked out of the OT.. This is unforgivable - he could've won that game and changed the trajectory of the series - but unfortunately, lebron has a history of checking out in the toughest moments (10' ECSF, 11' Finals).

Btw, Lebron's time of possession set a record again (11.5 (https://stats.nba.com/players/touches/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4) minutes, or 25% more than 19' Harden, and #2 all-time).. this caused weak ball movement and the Cavs getting massively out-assisted again.. Infact, the common thread in lebron's last 4 Finals losses is massive deficits in team assists..

That's backwards - lebron should take the last shot unless effectively double-teamed, and make sure the ball moves and teammates are engaged throughout the game
LeBron was purposefully slowing down the pace. You don't win against the Warriors (with a garbage ass team no less) playing run and gun ball. They're gonna out shoot you and destroy you. The Cavs would've lost in 4 straight blowouts if they played uptempo basketball.

He couldn't hand over the playmaking duties to others nor was he able to let others make decisions, because they're low IQ players. Shump and JR were terrible and can't create for others. Delly had a hard time bringing the ball up court. Actually, Shump is a below average playmaker, but the other two are worse than garbage.

The game in which Mozgov put up 28 points, the Cavs lost by 21 points. LeBron struggled shooting the ball, but he did have 20/12/8. 12 rebounds and 8 assists (oh wait, rebounds and assists only matter when it's Bird). Delly went 3-14, JR 2-12, Shump 2-9, JJ 0-3, etc.. A combined 18% FG%. Literally no one could hit a shot. To top it off, the Warriors went small and Moz couldn't guard anyone on the court. Bogut was benched and Green was playing at the C.

You're blaming LeBron for Moz not getting more involved in game 5 after the 28 point game, when in fact, the COACH played him 9 minutes. He played over 30 minutes in game 6 and LeBron got him involved. Dude put up 17/12/4.

For the series, the 3 guys who played the 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest minutes managed to score a combined 25.5 points on sub 40% TS. 29% FG% and 28% 3pt%.

LeBron James finished the 2015 NBA Finals with averages of 35.8 points, 13.3 rebounds, and 8.8 assists per game.

LeBron James is the first player in NBA Finals history to lead both teams in points, assists and rebounds for the entire series.

Without James on the floor, Cleveland’s field goal percentage dropped for 40% to 17%, and it’s offensive efficiency fell from 97.3 to 50.9.

According to Tom Haberstroh of ESPN, James accounted for 38.3% of Cleveland's points in the Finals, the second-highest percentage of team points in Finals history. He is edged only by Michael Jordan scoring 38.4% of the Bulls' points in the 1993 Finals, which Chicago won.

He was responsible for an average of 57.7 points per game on points he either scored or assisted on; which in turn, accounted for 62% of the Cavaliers’s points in the NBA Finals.

According to ESPN Stats & Information, by pulling the Elo Ratings for each team to make the NBA Finals before the series began, and taking into account a team’s home-court advantage, it was able to project each team’s chances of winning prior to the Finals. What was discovered was that James’ teams had the lowest expected winning percentage — 37% — out of any of the other players on this list. If you consider that James still managed to win two titles with those odds stacked against him, the four losses don’t seem so terrible. And if we look at the 2015 Finals by itself, we’ll realize that James did was pretty much unprecedented.

“If we look at a multi-year Statistical Plus/Minus talent projection for every NBA Finals team, this Cavs team ranks as the ninth-least talented NBA finalist since 1985. (By contrast, Cleveland’s opponents, the mighty Golden State Warriors, rank as the 14th-most talented.) Remove James, and things get even more dire; his supporting cast ranks as the third-worst team carried by its best player to the NBA Finals since 1985.”

If you were to take James’s talent rating (6.6) and replace it with that of the league-average player (0.0), the Cavaliers’s talent rating would dwindle to -0.1. So what the King ended up doing was carrying one of the three-worst supporting casts in NBA history to within two games of a championship. Of course, what we forgot to mention was that FiveThirtyEight also determined that these Golden State Warriors finished the year with the second-highest peak Elo Rating (1822) in NBA history and third-highest Composite Elo Rating of all time (1796), making them one of the best basketball teams ever. And what James did against them remarkable.

When LeBron was NOT on the floor, JR Smith, Matthew Dellavedova, James Jones and Iman Shumpert DID NOT MAKE A SHOT in the NBA Finals

Without LeBron James on the floor this series.

JR Smith 0/9 FG

Delly 0/7 FG

J. Jones 0/3 FG

Shumpert 0/2 FG

Total 0/21 FG


Now that I recall, the back of your cab was dirty as shit. You really should clean it out once and awhile little man. As for McDonald's tiles, Manny98 posted a picture which showed the floor tiles he was standing on and also black shoes that he had on that had McD arches on them. Then someone posted a picture they grabbed off the net showing those shoes as part of the McDonalds uniform and a picture of the tiles in a McD's in the Philippines. Both matched Manny's pics, confirming that he works at McD's in the Philippines. Glad I could clear that up for ya cabbie, those fumes were starting to get strong.:cheers:
Stop melting down and go clean the toilets, janitor.

[SpaceJam2]

When Bosh joined lebron, he hadn't been All NBA for 4 years. He hadn't been top 10 in MVP in four years... superstar.

When kyrie joined lebron he had never been all NBA. He has still never received an MVO vote... superstar.

Pippen, 3rd in MVP. 1st team all NBA. 1st team All D. Trash 2nd option.


Shut it down

[Celtics 1825]

This sure is aging well

[stalkerforlife]

Unfortunately, LeMedia would never allow that.

You know the script better than that, OP.

[aj1987]

.
Adjusted rankings



1) LeBron
2) KAJ
3) Shaq
4) Magic
5) Russell
6) Bird
7) Duncan
8) Hakeem
9) Wilt
10) Moses
11) Dr. J
12) Durant
13) Pippen
14) Brick
15) Wade
FTFY.


Also:


Well he's starting at PG, so he's already avoided the 2-PG lineups (bron-ball) that give teammates less hold-time and assists than they get in 1-PG lineups, resulting in low TEAM assists and a brand that struggles on the championship level

Lebron only realized that this year, so he's starting at PG and is #1 in team assists, just like Magic's teams were .. is there any doubt that lebron could've had better teams and won more if he had started at PG in previous years? (or if he had an off-ball game and could therefore seamlessly transition from ball-handler to the shooter role and vice versa, aka the top skillset that other guys have like kawhi, kd, MJ, curry, kobe, bird) .

Luka is a great shooter, so he can transition, but I don't know if he ever played that role because I don't watch. But his time of possession stats say he doesn't do it that much

Quit posting, loser.

[3ball]

FTFY.


Also:



Quit posting, loser.
Well... DOES luka play the shooter role any material amount?

Based on his time of possession stats, I'm going to say no, although his catch-and-shoot volume or assisted numbers would also tell the story

I've watched and played so much ball in my life, that I don't need to watch - I just look at a couple key stats and I know what happened, and what WILL happen (luka will lose many series that he was expected to win, just like Lebron and all ball-dominators i.e. CP3, Nash, etc - that style doesn't win without team-hopping for the extra talent the style needs to win
.

[Wally450]

Damn, another wrong prediction by 3ball.

[Smoke117]

oof

[SouBeachTalents]

Ur just salty because lebron is maxed out with only 3 rings as the best player, 3 fmvp.. :facepalm
Yet another L for this dude :oldlol: It's crazy how someone can be so wrong about a person they obsess about