Open court episode touches on some ISH arguments on Kobe and Pippen..

[Kblaze8855]

https://youtu.be/5Q_ieKsuIjU


Starting about 5:10 Grant Hill talks about Phil wanting him in LA but him not wanting to go because of how Kobe was throwing his teammates under the bus and then Kenny Smith talks about how if the Bulls drafted him he could have been Scottie Pippen. McHale laughed at him a bit but he explained it.

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[Shogon]

-Kenny Smith has a point that he'd have probably been better... but he wouldn't have been Pippen better and Michael might not have any rings... or maybe just a couple. Kenny Smith has absolutely no truly legitimate level of introspection whatsoever.

-Grant Hill is still in denial that the ankle injury wasn't his fault. He tried to be tough in Detroit. He repeatedly tried to be tough in Orlando and due to those facts, it cost him years upon years of his career... and he lists not playing with the 2008 Lakers as his biggest what if? Denial, denial, denial.

[3ball]

In the 90's, most people thought Grant Hill and Penny > Pippen

That's a fact

If the bulls drafted either, MJ could've rested on offense a lot more and wouldn't have the pressure to get 33-35 every night.. this would've allowed him to exert more energy defensively and be the unquestioned goat defender..

And if either hill or penny landed alongside the dpoy in 1988 like pippen did, they would've been influenced to be a better defender like pippen was
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[Smoke117]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]https://youtu.be/5Q_ieKsuIjU


Starting about 5:10 Grant Hill talks about Phil wanting him in LA but him not wanting to go because of how Kobe was throwing his teammates under the bus and then Kenny Smith talks about how if the Bulls drafted him he could have been Scottie Pippen. McHale laughed at him a bit but he explained it.

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[90sgoat]

In the 90's, most people thought Grant Hill and Penny > Pippen

That's a fact
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EASILY.

Hill and Penny along with Shaq (Kidd to a lesser degree) were both considered "next in line" as heir to MJ, Hakeem, Barkley, Malone, the golden era.

Pippen was never even mentioned in those talks. Pippen was a role player. Hill and Penny were bonafide superstars. Penny or Hill with MJ would have been even more amazing.

[Smoke117]

In the 90's, most people thought Grant Hill and Penny > Pippen

That's a fact

If the bulls drafted either, MJ could've rested on offense a lot more and wouldn't have the pressure to get 33-35 every night.. this would've allowed him to exert more energy defensively and be the unquestioned goat defender..

And if either hill or penny landed alongside the dpoy in 1988 like pippen did, they would've been influenced to be a better defender like pippen was
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LMFAO. Jordan could have done nothing but play defense and he wouldn't be close to the "goat defender" you moron. No perimeter player was ever going to have the impact of a Dream, Robinson, Wilt, Russell, Walton, Ben Wallace, Kevin Garnet etc etc you fukking stupid mongrel clown.

[Smoke117]

EASILY.

Hill and Penny along with Shaq (Kidd to a lesser degree) were both considered "next in line" as heir to MJ, Hakeem, Barkley, Malone, the golden era.

Pippen was never even mentioned in those talks. Pippen was a role player. Hill and Penny were bonafide superstars. Penny or Hill with MJ would have been even more amazing.

lol right. Pippen was a top 5 player in the league in the season right after Jordan retired to play fukking baseball you moronic ingrate. If that's a roleplayer than the whole league was just role players. Every single post you make is lesson in idiocy, fukk boy.

[Bankaii]

Kenny has been around Shaq/Chuck too much and has deluded himself into thinking he's a legend too.
The bulls don't win a single thing with him in place of Pippen lmao.

[90sgoat]

lol right. Pippen was a top 5 player in the league in the season right after Jordan retired to play fukking baseball you moronic ingrate. If that's a roleplayer than the whole league was just role players. Every single post you make is lesson in idiocy, fukk boy.

You're an idiot.

Grant Hill was compared to MJ, not Scottie Pippen.

Pippen was "just" an all star, Penny and Hill were superstar talents, meant to be the next Barkley, MJ, Bird, Magic.

The fact that both got injured along with Chris Webber and others, meant that the NBA skipped a generation and went straight to Kobe.

[Smoke117]

You're an idiot.

Grant Hill was compared to MJ, not Scottie Pippen.

Pippen was "just" an all star, Penny and Hill were superstar talents, meant to be the next Barkley, MJ, Bird, Magic.

The fact that both got injured along with Chris Webber and others, meant that the NBA skipped a generation and went straight to Kobe.

Grant Hill gets all this talk when he literally did absolutely nothing on the Pistons before he got injured. Was he better offensively better than Scottie? Sure, but Pippen was so far ahead defensively that they were basically even overall. Penny basically did absolutely NOTHING without Shaq. Even before he got injured his efficiency fell off a cliff when he wasn't playing with a top 10 player big man anymore. You don't know anything about basketball and henceforth will be on my ignore list. Suck a dick, slutboy.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe and Hill would’ve been nirvana for me as a fan at that time. Especially given the defender Hill became by that point.

[eliteballer]

EASILY.

Hill and Penny along with Shaq (Kidd to a lesser degree) were both considered "next in line" as heir to MJ, Hakeem, Barkley, Malone, the golden era.

Pippen was never even mentioned in those talks. Pippen was a role player. Hill and Penny were bonafide superstars. Penny or Hill with MJ would have been even more amazing.

Pippen in 94 did everything you'd expect of a legit superstar, stop.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Pippen in 94 did everything you'd expect of a legit superstar, stop.
Except piss poor leadership, mentally fragile, and wasn

[Kblaze8855]

Let me know what Bernard king, Grant Hill, Nique, Tmac, Vince Carter, Mitch Richmond, Mullin, Pistol Pete, and 2 dozen other hall of famers who were high level scorers did in their entire careers Pippen didn’t do in 1994.....with BJ Armstrong as a second option with Horace cleaning up the glass and making 16 footers for like 14 point a night.

Tim Hardaway, Mullin, and Mitch could all score more than Pippen in a half court setting. What did they do all playing together that he didn’t do with worse teammates in a better conference?

94 and 95 would be the most winning some scorers ever pulled off.

He did more than most superstars ever did with similar talent.

Who won more than 55 games or a playoff series with a Horace level #2?

It’s happened....it won’t happen often.

He was clear superstar level at the time.

[Smoke117]

Except piss poor leadership, mentally fragile, and wasn’t great enough at creating his own shot in the half-court, particularly in the playoffs as a number one offensive option

Perfect example of a player fan. No real Bulls fan would shit on the 2nd greatest player his franchise ever had. I'm sure Coach became a Wizards fan during those two years MJ came back.

[Smoke117]

Let me know what Bernard king, Grant Hill, Nique, Tmac, Vince Carter, Mitch Richmond, Mullin, Pistol Pete, and 2 dozen other hall of famers who were high level scorers did in their entire careers Pippen didn’t do in 1994.....with BJ Armstrong as a second option with Horace cleaning up the glass and making 16 footers for like 14 point a night.

Tim Hardaway, Mullin, and Mitch could all score more than Pippen in a half court setting. What did they do all playing together that he didn’t do with worse teammates in a better conference?

94 and 95 would be the most winning some scorers ever pulled off.

He did more than most superstars ever did with similar talent.

Who won more than 55 games or a playoff series with a Horace level #2?

It’s happened....it won’t happen often.

He was clear superstar level at the time.

He was 2nd in the league in BPM after Big Dave Robinson in that 94 season. To try and say he wasn't a superstar with a huge impact in 94 and 95 is moronic. This is ish, though, and stupidity thrives here. They also won that 55 games with him missing 10 games do to an ankle injury early in the season where they went 4-6. They could have won 60 if he played all 82 games.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe throwing teammates under the bus, even former players not afraid to say it :applause:

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Let me know what Bernard king, Grant Hill, Nique, Tmac, Vince Carter, Mitch Richmond, Mullin, Pistol Pete, and 2 dozen other hall of famers who were high level scorers did in their entire careers Pippen didn

[SamuraiSWISH]

Perfect example of a player fan. No real Bulls fan would shit on the 2nd greatest player his franchise ever had. I'm sure Coach became a Wizards fan during those two years MJ came back.
Who are you to judge and tell people how to be a fan? You’re not even a fan of a franchise. You just suck off multiple players that you have an outlier opinion of in terms of overrating.

I’m being honest about Scottie Pippen. You’re a Stan of his.

He’s a supplemental player. He wasn’t a quality alpha superstar. He mentally broke down and poured selfishly when a play wasn’t drawn up for him to end a playoff game. And willingly sat on the bench. Can you imagine if somebody did that today? They’d be ridiculed to no end for how selfish it was.

We’re talking about the same douche that is a known piece of shit human being. The one who is currently suing like a five-year-old girl.

The same guy who selfishly and purposely sat out half the 1998 season, before he realized Jordan had the Bulls on pace to do just fine, destroying his attempt at increasing his earning power.

And the only reason he needed to do that was because he continually signed stupid contracts and was terrible at managing his own money personally.

Him being the second best player in the franchise is arguable. Even with a shorter career, MVP Derrick Rose is arguably more valuable. And impactful. Culturally especially.

Everything I said was on point and factual. Nothing was embellished. He’s not a good isolation scorer, particularly in the half-court. So get off my dick. He’s not an alpha superstar. Never was. And in the 1.75 seasons he got to prove that potential ... he broke down on multiple levels, which he admitted and was begging for Jordan to come back and help save him from the pressures.

And of course I rooted for Jordan in Washington. Bulls were trash even when I was following them. As a true Chicagoan and Bulls fan, I hate our owner. He’s terrible. Jordan made the franchise what it’s worth.

Since you clearly seem to be hyped up on some Jack Daniels again today, why don’t you finally once and for all admit to all of us what team you root for.

Because here you are judging other people’s fandom’s LOL all we know is you love to suck off of various players that never amounted to anything besides Dwyane Wade.

You’ve been begging for my attention all day commenting on my posts, this is going to be the last time I’m going to address your crazy drunk cholo stalker ass. Deuces.

[NBAGOAT]

Classic scoring bias from people who knock pippen those 2 years. There is far more to winning basketball games than isolation scoring

[Smoke117]

Coach seems to be on a good one tonight. All ornery. :oldlol:

[Bankaii]

Dude just said essentially one year of Rose is greater than Scottie’s career with the Bulls:oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Dude just said essentially one year of Rose is greater than Scottie’s career with the Bulls:oldlol:
You’re not a Chicagoan or a Bulls fan, what would you know about this conversation?

Derrick’s one season in 2011 is enough to justify him as the second best player in the franchise. I said it’s arguable either way. Even if Scottie is the better basketball player with more longevity.

Scottie never won MVP and led Chicago to 60+ wins and the Eastern Conference Finals before a career altering injury.

Why is it that the Three 6 Mafia has such disdain for Derrick Rose?

Is it because he justifiably won the 2011 MVP?

Well that’s what your boy gets for needing to cowardly stack the deck and join forces with the second best player in his own conference.

[NBAGOAT]

You’re not a Chicagoan or a Bulls fan, what would you know about this conversation?

Derrick’s one season in 2011 is enough to justify him as the second best player in the franchise. I said it’s arguable either way. Even if Scottie is the better basketball player with more longevity.

Scottie never won MVP and led Chicago to 60+ wins and the Eastern Conference Finals before a career altering injury.

Wait a sec, you’re one of the guys who’s pretty relentless bringing up how weak the east was those years. Isn’t it a lot easier to get to the conference finals when you’re facing a 44 win atl team instead a top contender in the Knicks...

[SamuraiSWISH]

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]Wait a sec, you

[NBAGOAT]

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]No I didn

[Bankaii]

Why do you feel the need to bring up LeBron in every single conversation? Seriously it's pathetic as hell. I love D Rose. And you won't find a single post of me disrespecting him.

What does being a Bulls fan have anything to do with knowing what you're saying is idiotic? You're not even a Bulls fan. You're an MJ slupper.

As great as 2011 DRose was, it doesn't hold a candle to what Scottie did as a bull.

Why is it always "6 Ringzzzzzz" and "weak east", but now all of sudden that it doesn't fit your agenda they aren't important anymore? You're a hypocritical clown.

[SamuraiSWISH]

That was only the top 3 teams however. Orlando was fine but that was honestly just a huge carryjob by Dwight
What difference does it make? That still was the best version of the Eastern conference up until this year.

You can

[SamuraiSWISH]

Struck a nerve with one of the founding members of the ISH chapter of Three 6 Mafia.

It’s long been known Bronvestites loathe Derrick Rose.

Not just for the 2011 MVP, but for what he represents. Being an actual competitor and refusing to collude in order to win easy rings.

Fan base of that guy is utterly pathetic.

[NBAGOAT]

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]What difference does it make? That still was the best version of the Eastern conference up until this year.

You can

[Bankaii]

Struck a nerve with one of the founding members of the ISH chapter of Three 6 Mafia.

It’s long been known Bronvestites loathe Derrick Rose.

Not just for the 2011 MVP, but for what he represents. Being an actual competitor and refusing to collude in order to win easy rings.

Fan base of that guy is utterly pathetic.
Your entire post is literally about Lebron. I'm talking about Rose.
You brought him up and you're the only one talking about him.
Get him help dude, this is sad.

[Smoke117]

Put down the pabst blue ribbon and take a break when you still have a knee to stand on. Your pathetic litanies have made you such a joke that I don't even want to throw further ire at you. I just want you to stop. Be at peace, Son of Jordan.

[egokiller]

Put down the pabst blue ribbon and take a break when you still have a knee to stand on. Your pathetic litanies have made you such a joke that I don't even want to throw further ire at you. I just want you to stop. Be at peace, Son of Jordan.

He's got his pabst blue ribbon and you got your Natty Lite.

https://resizing.flixster.com/e5NFkljR9kspCASghSKOg_vFv4g=/206x305/v1.bTsxMTIwNDE2MDtqOzE4MTc0OzEyMDA7MTUzNjsyMDQ4

[Smoke117]

He's got his pabst blue ribbon and you got your Natty Lite.

https://resizing.flixster.com/e5NFkljR9kspCASghSKOg_vFv4g=/206x305/v1.bTsxMTIwNDE2MDtqOzE4MTc0OzEyMDA7MTUzNjsyMDQ4

Next time you think of responding to one of my post...please don't. It's just pointless as the intelligence level so so far that I can't ever understand anything you are trying to babble out. Stick to the peasants.

[NBASTATMAN]

EASILY.

Hill and Penny along with Shaq (Kidd to a lesser degree) were both considered "next in line" as heir to MJ, Hakeem, Barkley, Malone, the golden era.

Pippen was never even mentioned in those talks. Pippen was a role player. Hill and Penny were bonafide superstars. Penny or Hill with MJ would have been even more amazing.


YOU ARE DELUSIONAL .. :facepalm


Pippen is a top 30-35 player all time.. When he played he was considered the second best all around player in the league. Chuck Daly and others all spoke on this ..

[3ball]

Pippen in 94 did everything you'd expect of a legit superstar, stop.
Except in the playoffs, when he turned into Kyrie.. worse in some ways, actually

3 legit chokes in the ECSF - sit-out in Game 3... dumb foul in game 5... horrible game 7

[3ball]

YOU ARE DELUSIONAL .. :facepalm


Pippen is a top 30-35 player all time.. When he played he was considered the second best all around player in the league. Chuck Daly and others all spoke on this ..
Dude he's right... Penny and Grant Hill were the "next MJ"... Never Pippen

He was considered a very secondary player.. inferior to all the top guys like Ewing, Barkley, many, many more

[Smoke117]

You’re not a Chicagoan or a Bulls fan, what would you know about this conversation?

Derrick’s one season in 2011 is enough to justify him as the second best player in the franchise. I said it’s arguable either way. Even if Scottie is the better basketball player with more longevity.

Scottie never won MVP and led Chicago to 60+ wins and the Eastern Conference Finals before a career altering injury.

Why is it that the Three 6 Mafia has such disdain for Derrick Rose?

Is it because he justifiably won the 2011 MVP?

Well that’s what your boy gets for needing to cowardly stack the deck and join forces with the second best player in his own conference.

Cringe. No real bulls fan would ever say some nonsense like that. Rose in 2011 wasn't even as good as Pippen at his peak in 94 and 95 in the first place so that's ridiculous. You are a goddman fukking joke, mate.

[SpaceJam]

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Struck a nerve with one of the founding members of the ISH chapter of Three 6 Mafia.

It