Rodman never averaged at least one steal or one block in any season..

[stalkerforlife]

How trippy is that for an all time great defender?

[imdaman99]

He did so much of the stuff that doesn't show up on the stat sheet. I thought Oakley was similar but not as good.

[stalkerforlife]

He did so much of the stuff that doesn't show up on the stat sheet. I thought Oakley was similar but not as good.

Of course.

It's just shocking.

2 time DPOY and led the league in rebounds like 7 years in a row.

The worst defenders with heavy minutes average at least a steal.

Just goes to show how meaningless stats can be.

[FKAri]

Just sit tight fellas. 3ball's about to make an entrance and let us know how this is further evidence of how Rodman wasn't shit.

[fsvr54]

A good defender doesn't reach.

[bison]

Just sit tight fellas. 3ball's about to make an entrance and let us know how this is further evidence of how Rodman wasn't shit.

How is 3ball is gonna denigrate Rodman in order to make Jordan look more important as his teammate on the Bulls, while praising him to make Jordan look like he had tougher competition when Rodman was the opponent on the Pistons?

[Bawkish]

How is 3ball is gonna denigrate Rodman in order to make Jordan look more important as his teammate on the Bulls, while praising him to make Jordan look like he had tougher competition when Rodman was the opponent on the Pistons?

'96 Rodman did a lot for the Bulls in the stats

97 Rodman provided a lot of drama esp. in the playoffs but regressed compared previous year

98 Rodman was almost invisible & contributed little to none. Though did a decent job mindf*king Malone

[ronniec]

You stop your opponent to score by blocking a shot, on the stat sheet
You hustle and make a tight D and the opponent fail to make the shot, same outcome but it won't show on the stat sheet.

Kids nowadays only recognize and appreciate stats.

[Mr Feeny]

'96 Rodman did a lot for the Bulls in the stats

97 Rodman provided a lot of drama esp. in the playoffs but regressed compared previous year

98 Rodman was almost invisible & contributed little to none. Though did a decent job mindf*king Malone

This is pretty much spot on. In 1996, he was legitimately good/great. He defended Kemp well in the finals, did a really good job (while being helped) against Shaq in the ECF and came up big in a lot of bif moments.

In 1997, he wasn't quite the same guy. In 1998, he was atrocious. He was a walking, talking joke. Missing practices in the middle of the finals to go wrestle. Averaging 4 ppg ,8 rpg on 33% or whatever it was in the finals. To be fair to him, he was 37 at the time, though.

[Shogon]

Just sit tight fellas. 3ball's about to make an entrance and let us know how this is further evidence of how Rodman wasn't shit.

Holy shit hahahahaha

:roll:

[Hey Yo]

This is pretty much spot on. In 1996, he was legitimately good/great. He defended Kemp well in the finals, did a really good job (while being helped) against Shaq in the ECF and came up big in a lot of bif moments.

In 1997, he wasn't quite the same guy. In 1998, he was atrocious. He was a walking, talking joke. Missing practices in the middle of the finals to go wrestle. Averaging 4 ppg ,8 rpg on 33% or whatever it was in the finals. To be fair to him, he was 37 at the time, though.
Led the league in rebounding at 15 per game.

[FKAri]

How is 3ball is gonna denigrate Rodman in order to make Jordan look more important as his teammate on the Bulls, while praising him to make Jordan look like he had tougher competition when Rodman was the opponent on the Pistons?
The Pistons had Rodman in his absolute PRIME. Headcases like that are like a candle that burns bright but burns fast. Once he was over the hill, hobbled and had become a locker room cancer, MJ took him onboard. MJ gifted that poor bum who was once a fierce rival, a ring. :bowdown:

[ronniec]

The Pistons had Rodman in his absolute PRIME. Headcases like that are like a candle that burns bright but burns fast. Once he was over the hill, hobbled and had become a locker room cancer, MJ took him onboard. MJ gifted that poor bum who was once a fierce rival, a ring. :bowdown:

Didn't Rodman win 2 rings with the Pistons?
A Bum?

In between his Pistons and Bulls' days, he played 1 1/2 years in San Antonio, and he also lead the league in rebounding, 17.3 and 16.8.

I would want this bum on my team in any day.

[Bigsmoke]

Stop checking stats and start watching games you chump

[FKAri]

Didn't Rodman win 2 rings with the Pistons?
A Bum?

In between his Pistons and Bulls' days, he played 1 1/2 years in San Antonio, and he also lead the league in rebounding, 17.3 and 16.8.

I would want this bum on my team in any day.
:biggums:

[3ball]

Didn't Rodman win 2 rings with the Pistons?
A Bum?

In between his Pistons and Bulls' days, he played 1 1/2 years in San Antonio, and he also lead the league in rebounding, 17.3 and 16.8.

I would want this bum on my team in any day.
What were Rodman's averages in the 1997 playoffs?

Who was the full-time starting PF in the 98' playoffs, and what were Rodman's averages in the 98' Finals?

How old was Rodman in 97' and 98'?

I'll wait for these answers

Oh, and how good were the Bulls' offenses during the 2nd three-peat while playing 4 on 5 offfensively with Rodman? And with Pippen's often weak offense and shooting at 2nd option? How were their offenses still the best?

[Mr Feeny]

Didn't Rodman win 2 rings with the Pistons?
A Bum?

In between his Pistons and Bulls' days, he played 1 1/2 years in San Antonio, and he also lead the league in rebounding, 17.3 and 16.8.

I would want this bum on my team in any day.

You cant be this dense. Rodman won his last Detroit ring in 1990 (would be 1989 but for Pippen having his migraine in game 7 that year). He joined the Bulls for the 1995-1996 season. By 1998, he was more than washed up.

[Mr Feeny]

What were Rodman's averages in the 1997 playoffs?

Who was the full-time starting PF in the 98' playoffs, and what were Rodman's averages in the 98' Finals?

How old was Rodman in 97' and 98'?

I'll wait for these answers

Oh, and how good were the Bulls' offenses during the 2nd three-peat while playing 4 on 5 offfensively with Rodman? And with Pippen's often weak offense and shooting at 2nd option? How were their offenses still the best?

He was rubbish in the 1997 and 1997 finals. Absolutely putrid. Pippen shot 39% in the finals in the 2nd 3peat iirc.

[sdot_thadon]

Rodman had a Mcl injury at the end of the 97 season. So his 97 playoff run makes sense. In 98 after already seeing they no longer needed to rely on a 37 year old they moved ahead with Kukoc who was far better offensively......and much less of a headache by that point.

Also


You cant be this dense. Rodman won his last Detroit ring in 1990 (would be 1989 but for Pippen having his migraine in game 7 that year). He joined the Bulls for the 1995-1996 season. By 1998, he was more than washed up
He made all nba defensive teams and a couple of all nba 3rd teams throught this entire time frame. Can't really blame a 37 year old for not making these teams....



1988-89 All-Defensive (1st)
1989-90 All-Defensive (1st)
1990-91 All-Defensive (1st)
1991-92 All-Defensive (1st)
1991-92 All-NBA (3rd)
1992-93 All-Defensive (1st)
1993-94 All-Defensive (2nd)
1994-95 All-Defensive (1st)
1994-95 All-NBA (3rd)
1995-96 All-Defensive (1st)

[ronniec]

What were Rodman's averages in the 1997 playoffs?

Who was the full-time starting PF in the 98' playoffs, and what were Rodman's averages in the 98' Finals?

How old was Rodman in 97' and 98'?

I'll wait for these answers

Oh, and how good were the Bulls' offenses during the 2nd three-peat while playing 4 on 5 offfensively with Rodman? And with Pippen's often weak offense and shooting at 2nd option? How were their offenses still the best?

What is the subject of this thread?
OP tried to discredit Rodman by saying his average on steal and block..
This is a statement about his "career", not his days only with Pistons, SA, Lakers, or Bulls.
We are talking about his "career".
He had a very very very good career. /Thread.

[ronniec]

You cant be this dense. Rodman won his last Detroit ring in 1990 (would be 1989 but for Pippen having his migraine in game 7 that year). He joined the Bulls for the 1995-1996 season. By 1998, he was more than washed up.

What is the subject of this thread?
OP tried to discredit Rodman by saying his average on steal and block..
This is a statement about his "career", not his days only with Pistons, SA, Lakers, or Bulls.
We are talking about his "career".
He had a very very very good career. /Thread.

[stalkerforlife]

What is the subject of this thread?
OP tried to discredit Rodman by saying his average on steal and block..
This is a statement about his "career", not his days only with Pistons, SA, Lakers, or Bulls.
We are talking about his "career".
He had a very very very good career. /Thread.

I didn't try to discredit Rodman.

:wtf: :biggums:

He's one of my favorite players ever.

[MJ(Mean John)]

Of course.

It's just shocking.

2 time DPOY and led the league in rebounds like 7 years in a row.

The worst defenders with heavy minutes average at least a steal.

Just goes to show how meaningless stats can be.


touch

[ronniec]

I didn't try to discredit Rodman.

:wtf: :biggums:

He's one of my favorite players ever.

My fault if I misunderstood.
DPOY multiple times, led the league in rebounding multiple times, 5 times champion, and I don't know why block and steal were needed to be mentioned. Interesting fact? May be.
This is just the same as Rodman couldn't shoot a 3. Irrelevant.

This guy proved himself by his whole career... a bad season here and there matters?
The way people mentioned his bad years when he was close to retiring was just terrible.
Rodman sacrificed his body by banging for rebounds and took charge, and no surprise that he deteriorated rapidly towards the end of his pro career.

[Mr Feeny]

What is the subject of this thread?
OP tried to discredit Rodman by saying his average on steal and block..
This is a statement about his "career", not his days only with Pistons, SA, Lakers, or Bulls.
We are talking about his "career".
He had a very very very good career. /Thread.

Agree with that completely. Tbf I dont think he was trying to discredit him. I think he was surprised at how odd it is that Rodman never did that. Having said that, it doesnt matter because Dennis was great at things that didnt show up in the box scores (the Ben Wallace type).
I dont disagree with what you said.

[Mr Feeny]

Rodman had a Mcl injury at the end of the 97 season. So his 97 playoff run makes sense. In 98 after already seeing they no longer needed to rely on a 37 year old they moved ahead with Kukoc who was far better offensively......and much less of a headache by that point.

Also


He made all nba defensive teams and a couple of all nba 3rd teams throught this entire time frame. Can't really blame a 37 year old for not making these teams....

I know. It's understandable. I wouldn't expect an old man to play like his prime self. I was just pointing out how relatively badly he played in his final 2 years (especially 98.)

[ronniec]

Agree with that completely. Tbf I dont think he was trying to discredit him. I think he was surprised at how odd it is that Rodman never did that. Having said that, it doesnt matter because Dennis was great at things that didnt show up in the box scores (the Ben Wallace type).
I dont disagree with what you said.

@stalkerforlife

I apologize that I misinterpret it.

My fault.

[stalkerforlife]

@stalkerforlife

I apologize that I misinterpret it.

My fault.

I love you.

I've only bought two NBA jerseys in my life.

Dennis Rodman and Jason Williams.

Love Rodman.

[ronniec]

I love you.

I've only bought two NBA jerseys in my life.

Dennis Rodman and Jason Williams.

Love Rodman.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[3ball]

I loved rodman too.. I love guys like him that go against conventional thinking

Stalker was clearly pointing out that an all-time great defender like Rodman didn't accumulate steals or blocks, but stopped the other team from scoring or getting 2nd chances

A lot of great defenders are like this - see Dumars, who bball-ref references when describing how dbpm and DRtg simply count steals, blocks and drebs, thereby underrating guys like dumars and rodman

[Mr Feeny]

3ball:

In the 1997 playoffs, Rodman averaged:

4.2 ppg, 8.4 pg, 1.4 apg, 1.5 TO/g, 3.9 fouls/g, on 37%fg

In the 1997 finals, Rodman averaged:

2.3 ppg, 7.7 mpg, 1.5 apg, in 25%fg, 37.5%FT(!), and 29.8 ts% (!)

Some of these are hardly believable.

[Bawkish]

also Rodman messes with opponent's head

guys like Shaq, Kemp, Zo, Mutombo or Chuck wanted a piece of Rodman

im still wondering up to this day that he mostly got away with his antics

[sdot_thadon]

3ball:

In the 1997 playoffs, Rodman averaged:

4.2 ppg, 8.4 pg, 1.4 apg, 1.5 TO/g, 3.9 fouls/g, on 37%fg

In the 1997 finals, Rodman averaged:

2.3 ppg, 7.7 mpg, 1.5 apg, in 25%fg, 37.5%FT(!), and 29.8 ts% (!)

Some of these are hardly believable.
They are believable, sometimes you just need background info.

A year ago, after missing 14 regular-season games because of
suspensions, Rodman drew at least one technical in each of the
Bulls' first 13 playoff games, got tossed three times and
averaged only 8.4 rebounds during the postseason. Few understood
the reason: He had hurried back in four weeks from a knee injury
that normally requires eight weeks of recovery, and, unable to
pinball around the floor with his usual abandon, he reverted to
theatrics, he says, "to just try to get into people's heads, to
get them off their game."

[Mr Feeny]

They are believable, sometimes you just need background info.

Wouldn't explain his equally horrific 1998 numbers, but we could attribute that to further decline as he aged.

[sdot_thadon]

Wouldn't explain his equally horrific 1998 numbers, but we could attribute that to further decline as he aged.
It's out there you just have to look. Phil said he was unfocused in 98. His behavior and practice attendance etc reinforced that. I mean shit he was on a wrestling show during the playoffs. His 98 contract was half incentive based and all of those incentives were checked off by the time the playoffs started. Even with all that he supposedly "bailed out" Mj and Pippen in game 4 of the 98 finals that put them up 3-1 according to Wilbon at that time.

[Mr Feeny]

It's out there you just have to look. Phil said he was unfocused in 98. His behavior and practice attendance etc reinforced that. I mean shit he was on a wrestling show during the playoffs. His 98 contract was half incentive based and all of those incentives were checked off by the time the playoffs started. Even with all that he supposedly "bailed out" Mj and Pippen in game 4 of the 98 finals that put them up 3-1 according to Wilbon at that time.I know. I mentioned his WCW stint in one of my earlier posts in this thread. Regarding missing practice, Tex Winter later said that wasnt upset with Rodman because Dennis had the guile to "beat the system" (take a fine for missing practice and more than makeup for it with the revenue from his appearance).

But that's neither here nor there. There are always reasons that top stars underperform. I still cant believe that Rodman was that ineffectual the last 2 seasons because this is more than substandard. It is putrid. On the other hand, Kukoc came big in several games. Game 7 against Indiana and game 5 against Utah (they lost the latter, unfortunately)

[sdot_thadon]

I know. I mentioned his WCW stint in one of my earlier posts in this thread. Regarding missing practice, Tex Winter later said that wasnt upset with Rodman because Dennis had the guile to "beat the system" (take a fine for missing practice and more than makeup for it with the revenue from his appearance).

But that's neither here nor there. There are always reasons that top stars underperform. I still cant believe that Rodman was that ineffectual the last 2 seasons because this is more than substandard. It is putrid. On the other hand, Kukoc came big in several games. Game 7 against Indiana and game 5 against Utah (they lost the latter, unfortunately)
Right, I'm pretty sure much of his tenure there was touch and go. Imagine the reactions when he's benched or the rare time phil decides to pull rank on him. Or Kukoc becoming the starter. Mostly just his attitude and the fall out from it.

[Mr Feeny]

Right, I'm pretty sure much of his tenure there was touch and go. Imagine the reactions when he's benched or the rare time phil decides to pull rank on him. Or Kukoc becoming the starter. Mostly just his attitude and the fall out from it.

Mercurial, yeah. But part of what made that team fun to watch, in a way.

[sdot_thadon]

Mercurial, yeah. But part of what made that team fun to watch, in a way.
Definitely. They are my favorite team ever and I have to whisper that in Houston. I also suspect somewhere in those last few years he realized his character was profitable outside of basketball too, so perhaps he was looking ahead to his brand after basketball. He was 36 in 97 with an mcl sprain. :lol

[TheCorporation]

6 of the top 10 best trb% seasons (including #1 and #3 all time)

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[sdot_thadon]

6 of the top 10 best trb% seasons (including #1 and #3 all time)

https://i.postimg.cc/VN1KwwHY/trb.png


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interesting no.1 comes the season before playing with the bulls and no.10 comes at 36 yrs old.:biggums:

[72-10]

lockdown defender more interested in disrupting the offense, getting under opponents' skin, and defensive rebounds. Still not sure how he did not get those, though.

[NBASTATMAN]

Of course.

It's just shocking.

2 time DPOY and led the league in rebounds like 7 years in a row.

The worst defenders with heavy minutes average at least a steal.

Just goes to show how meaningless stats can be.

:facepalm
I GUESS his rebounds dont mean shit..

[Mr Feeny]

Definitely. They are my favorite team ever and I have to whisper that in Houston. I also suspect somewhere in those last few years he realized his character was profitable outside of basketball too, so perhaps he was looking ahead to his brand after basketball. He was 36 in 97 with an mcl sprain. :lol

You're a Rockets fan?:eek:
Had no idea until just now.

By the late 90s, he was wearing wedding dresses to autograph sessions and dying his hear with odd colors and patterns. As you said, he was focusing on his brand, even though (as he admitted in his book) that couldnt have been further from his real life personality.