Greatest individual season of all time (expanded edition)

[72-10]

it could be the same horse

I also considered 85-86 Larry Bird, 02-03 Duncan, and 15-16 Curry.

[MaxPlayer]

Shaq 99-00

[72-10]

Should I have included Willis Reed?

[Cleverness]

Does it include playoffs?

edit: nvm, of course it does

[72-10]

Does it include playoffs?

edit: nvm, of course it does

Yes

[TheCorporation]

2012 or 2013 or 2016 or 2018 LeBron

Thanks

[LAmbruh]

have to disqualify the 4 of 5 1990's options you have based on mechanic and plumber competition


Wilt vs milkmen wins by default

[bullettooth]

2012 or 2013 or 2016 or 2018 LeBron

Thanks

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[ronniec]

84-85 Larry Bird

80 games, 28.7ppg, 10.5rpg, 6.6apg, 1.6spg, 1.2bpg (BLOCK!!!)
39.5mpg, .522fg%, .427 3ptfg%, .882ft%

[Mr Feeny]

84-85 Larry Bird

80 games, 28.7ppg, 10.5rpg, 6.6apg, 1.6spg, 1.2bpg (BLOCK!!!)
39.5mpg, .522fg%, .427 3ptfg%, .882ft%

I dont know the stats but how did he play in the finals?I remember him struggling in one particular series against LA with two 8 point games but I think it may have been 84.

[ronniec]

I dont know the stats but how did he play in the finals?I remember him struggling in one particular series against LA with two 8 point games but I think it may have been 84.

23.8/8.8/5/1.8/0.7

[Mr Feeny]

23.8/8.8/5/1.8/0.7

That should be up there, in that case. And that was in the middle of his run with 3 consecutive mvps (when he was getting plenty of plaudits and people were debating whether he was the greatest player ever.)

In my opinion, Hakeem in 94 was sensational. And Jordan in 88 was equally so. But because there seems to be a focus on playoffs here, we unfortunately discard seasons that were even better than the ones in the poll, imo.

[Phoenix]

84-85 Larry Bird

80 games, 28.7ppg, 10.5rpg, 6.6apg, 1.6spg, 1.2bpg (BLOCK!!!)
39.5mpg, .522fg%, .427 3ptfg%, .882ft%

Damn those are some godly stats. Peak Bird in the middle of his MVP 3peat :applause:

[BarberSchool]

^Insane peak Bird had.

Even if the award is for best INDIVIDUAL seasomn of all time, a requirement for me, would be finishing the season with a FMVP.

So 91-92 MJ, or 92-93 MJ

[Mr Feeny]

Even if the award is for best INDIVIDUAL seasomn of all time, a requirement for me, would be finishing the season with a FMVP.

So 91-92 MJ, or 92-93 MJ

He had a bad wrist in the 93 playoffs and that's the only thing that makes me wary of selecting that version. In 1992, he was sensational.

[ronniec]

^Insane peak Bird had.

Even if the award is for best INDIVIDUAL seasomn of all time, a requirement for me, would be finishing the season with a FMVP.

So 91-92 MJ, or 92-93 MJ

How about 85-86 season for Bird??

Regular season:
82 games, 25.8ppg, 9.8rpg, 6.8apg, 2.0spg, 0.6bpg
.496fg%, .423 3pt%, .896ft%

Finals
6 games, 24 ppg, 9.7rpg, 9.5apg, 2.7spg, 0.3bpg
.482fg%, .368 3pt%, .939ft%

FMVP

Good enough?

[bigkingsfan]

Hakeem

MVP
DPOY

2nd best player, Otis Thorpe. Blocking Starks potential final ender, holding Ewing to 36%.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Can't go wrong with either player.

I'd take 1991 and 1992 Jordan (essentially equal) followed close by 2000 Shaq. And by close? I mean "determiners" like freethrows, handle and getting better looks in crunchtime.

That shout for Bird is a good one.

[ArbitraryWater]

This is the thread you are looking for:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=466743

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Can't go wrong with either player.

I'd take 1991 and 1992 Jordan (essentially equal) followed close by 2000 Shaq. And by close? I mean "determiners" like freethrows, handle and getting better looks in crunchtime.

That shout for Bird is a good one.

Just to elaborate a bit...

I also question how much better 2000 Shaq would be...if the 90s heavy-hitting BIGS were still @ their best.

I used to think Shaq in 2000 was THE pinnacle of domination. Today? Or when these discussions pop up? I lean more toward his competition, or lack thereof.

Take 1994 Hakeem for example. Guy was a phenom on defense. On offense? I don't think there was a discernible difference with Shaq. Not one where you'd put the other on a separate TIER.

Hakeem was more skilled; Shaq, while skilled, was mostly power.

[NBAGOAT]

I take Shaq over Hakeem besides the obvious mj years. 00 is the one year he’s great defensively. There’s are small efficiency and volume gaps. Hakeem is a great playoff performer but Shaq can match him there. After shaq, it might honestly be 13 lebron. Even if it’s partially due to hack a shaq, there’s something valuable in going to the ft line so often

[Marchesk]

Shouldn't Kareem's 70/71 season be added to the poll?

31.7/16/3.3 on 57.7% for a 66 win team that won the finals.

[Mr Feeny]

Just to elaborate a bit...

I also question how much better 2000 Shaq would be...if the 90s heavy-hitting BIGS were still @ their best.

I used to think Shaq in 2000 was THE pinnacle of domination. Today? Or when these discussions pop up? I lean more toward his competition, or lack thereof.

Take 1994 Hakeem for example. Guy was a phenom on defense. On offense? I don't think there was a discernible difference with Shaq. Not one where you'd put the other on a separate TIER.

Hakeem was more skilled; Shaq, while skilled, was mostly power.

I think he still played against decent big men. He ragdolled Robinson a few times and Robinson was...Robinson. mutumbo might not have been elite because his offense was awful but he was brilliant defensively and Shaq still played well against him.

On the other hand, you saw people like old Sabonis give Shaq fits and it made you scratch your head. He struggled at times against Malone in the late 90s as well, for some reason.

[ArbitraryWater]

yo this thread been up 3+ hrs 2nd page too

extremely low participation lmao

[Mr Feeny]

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]I take Shaq over Hakeem besides the obvious mj years. 00 is the one year he

[NBAGOAT]

Shouldn't Kareem's 70/71 season be added to the poll?

31.7/16/3.3 on 57.7% for a 66 win team that won the finals.

Top 5 ish imo but 77 might be better.

[ArbitraryWater]

Hakeem was one of the best defenders of all time. Shaq - even at his very best - was never great defensively. Agree about the offense. It's a wash. But I dont think it's close defensively.

more simplistic, dummy analysis

[Mr Feeny]

more simplistic, dummy analysis

Stick to watching Iraqi TV.

[NBAGOAT]

Hakeem was one of the best defenders of all time. Shaq - even at his very best - was never great defensively. Agree about the offense. It's a wash. But I dont think it's close defensively.

As far as playoff runs go, I'm not sure how we can disagree here. Hakeem had some of the best playoff runs ever. Shaq was one of the best big men ever but as dominant as the lakers were in some of their runs, I dont know many people who specifically refer to Shaq as an exceptional playoff performer.

Shaq was 2nd in dpoy voting in 00 and the impact stuff bears it out too he was pretty great that year. From cursory glance he was in great shape for his career and more active than usual. It could be just a lucky outlier year but we

[Mr Feeny]

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]Shaq was 2nd in dpoy voting in 00 and the impact stuff bears it out too he was pretty great that year. From cursory glance he was in great shape for his career and more active than usual. It could be just a lucky outlier year but we

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I think he still played against decent big men. He ragdolled Robinson a few times and Robinson was...Robinson.

Disagree.

Robinson was...not quite MVP/prime Robinson. After breaking his foot, and missing all of the 1997 season, he was never the same.

Timmy D then took over.

The series where Shaq played DRob and Duncan at full strength (2001 or was it 2002?) - he gets a ton of credit. The guy basically took on TWO NBA All-Defenders and one who might've played @ his offensive peak.


mutumbo might not have been elite because his offense was awful but he was brilliant defensively and Shaq still played well against him.

Yeah.

Shaq not having to play much defense on Mutombo? Matters a lot. Part of the reason you saw Shaq going ballistic in that finals. He never really had to concern a lot of energy on defense.

Not that he didn't play defense. But did Mutombo, Smits and Todd Mccullough really make him work?


On the other hand, you saw people like old Sabonis give Shaq fits and it made you scratch your head. He struggled at times against Malone in the late 90s as well, for some reason.

Absolutely.

[NBAGOAT]

Agree. Because I have it as one of the top 4 peaks ever. I was only talking about defense. The comparison is between Hakeem and Shaq and at his peak, Hakeem was the best defensive player on the planet by a distance ad had one of the best defensive peaks ever.

Point taken about peaks. But if that's the argument then a statement about someone being one of the best playoff performers doesnt really make sense. Because we would be discarding every season bar the one or two in his peak.

I see your point. I still see him as a great playoff performer however. It

[Mr Feeny]

Disagree.

Robinson was...not quite MVP/prime Robinson. After breaking his foot, and missing all of the 1997 season, he was never the same.

Timmy D then took over.

The series where Shaq played DRob and Duncan at full strength (2001 or was it 2002?) - he gets a ton of credit. The guy basically took on TWO NBA All-Defenders and one who might've played @ his offensive peak.



Yeah.

Shaq not having to play much defense on Mutombo? Matters a lot. Part of the reason you saw Shaq going ballistic in that finals. The guy never really had to concern a lot of energy on defense.

Not that he didn't play any. But did those bigs really make him work?



Absolutely.

Yeah, I see what you're saying about elite centres with offensive games making him work. That should be factored in. Otherwise, it gives someone like Shaq a chance to rest on defense.

It would have been interesting to see him against prime Kareem or Wilt.

[Mr Feeny]

[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]I see your point. I still see him as a great playoff performer however. It

[TheMan]

That should be up there, in that case. And that was in the middle of his run with 3 consecutive mvps (when he was getting plenty of plaudits and people were debating whether he was the greatest player ever.)

In my opinion, Hakeem in 94 was sensational. And Jordan in 88 was equally so. But because there seems to be a focus on playoffs here, we unfortunately discard seasons that were even better than the ones in the poll, imo.
MVP, DPOY and scoring title, no one in the history of the game has accomplished this trifecta :bowdown:

GOAT

[NBAGOAT]

the competition thing isn’t the whole league imo. It’s still just limited to like 3 guys outside Hakeem. Ik I’m being disrespectful to guys like Alonzo but those types existed in the 00s like Alonzo lol. There are some concerns about drob and Ewing(like I’m not sure how much of an offensive force mid 90s Ewing is a semi-trolly opinion I have is prime Dwight from 09-11 is comparable if not slightly better).

Like in 94 there was one serious matchup, Ewing. going through shaq and drob in 95 is extremely impressive but shaq did fine offensively imo(not arguing Shaq was better or anything). His shooters just laid an egg

[The Iron Fist]

31.7 ppg 16 rpg 3.3 apg estimate of 3.5 bpg estimate 1 spg
MVP, scoring champion, NBA champion, fmvp

The disrespect this man gets :facepalm

[Manny98]

Where is the 13 LeBron option he statistically he had the GOAT regular season that year + championship

[TheCorporation]

Where is the 13 LeBron option he statistically he had the GOAT regular season that year + championship

This

or even 2018 (playoffs wise) goat tier

[ClipperRevival]

Scratching my head over the votes for 1991-92 MJ over 1990-91 MJ.

1990-91 MJ was probably his last year when he was an athletic freak. After that season, he came back down to Earth a bit athletically. 1990-91 MJ was probably most complete in terms of athleticism, skills and knowing how to get his teammates involved.

[ClipperRevival]

Can't ignore Hakeem's LEGENDARY 2 year run.

Consider that he beat not only some of the best centers EVER, near or at their peak in Shaq, Ewing and Robinson in the playoffs but also beat Barkley's 2 times, Malone/Stockton 2 times and Drexler. Every single opponent in those 2 years had an all-time great on a team.

I take Hakeem over any C in history. He was the best to me.

[ImKobe]

90-91 MJ

most dominant Playoff run

32/6/6 RS 31/6/8 Playoff run with just 2.5 TOPG.

[ClipperRevival]

MVP, DPOY and scoring title, no one in the history of the game has accomplished this trifecta :bowdown:

GOAT

Another super impressive feat by MJ?

Won the scoring title and a championship in the same season 6 times.

That's been duplicated only 2 times in history and that's 2000 Shaq and 1971 KAJ. Obviously those 2 seasons are two of best peaks ever.

(Mikan did it a few times way back in the days but that doesn't count).

[72-10]

Can't ignore Hakeem's LEGENDARY 2 year run.

Consider that he beat not only some of the best centers EVER, near or at their peak in Shaq, Ewing and Robinson in the playoffs but also beat Barkley's 2 times, Malone/Stockton 2 times and Drexler. Every single opponent in those 2 years had an all-time great on a team.

I take Hakeem over any C in history. He was the best to me.

He took Shaq to the cleaners in 95.

[72-10]

90-91 MJ

most dominant Playoff run

32/6/6 RS 31/6/8 Playoff run with just 2.5 TOPG.

Not only that, but a plethora of amazing moves, though he wasn't fading quite yet...

[TheCorporation]

2013 LeBron

Only Wilt and MJ had a higher single season PER

#1 all time Wilt: 31.82
2013 LBJ: 31.59

2013 LeBron
57% FG
41% 3P

(I guarantee no other player you listed did this)


Also
ORtg: 125
DRtg: 101

Also
MVP (1 drunken Carmello Anthony vote away from 1st ever unanimous)
FMVP
2nd DPOY voting


Yeah...LeBron is better in 2013 than all these guys