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eliteballer
06-21-2019, 02:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYzW3GNvDbE

LAmbruh
06-21-2019, 02:56 PM
unfortunately in todays game the toughest competition isn't getting checked by Jeff Hornacek

1987_Lakers
06-21-2019, 02:56 PM
Anyone have a clip from I think the 90's where Wilt said he would drop 70 a game if he played now? I never laughed so hard in my life.

FireDavidKahn
06-21-2019, 02:58 PM
And people want to take former players seriously.

Anyone who really believes Jordan would average 50 today is an absolute moron. You'd fit right in with Rodman.

90sgoat
06-21-2019, 03:02 PM
And people want to take former players seriously.

Anyone who really believes Jordan would average 50 today is an absolute moron. You'd fit right in with Rodman.

He could comfortably average that, but why would you, it wouldn't help to win.

I could see him getting 40ppg for the playoffs though.

SamuraiSWISH
06-21-2019, 03:07 PM
40s is def probable

1987_Lakers
06-21-2019, 03:10 PM
MJ couldnt evem average 40 in the 80's. Defenses were worse back then than it is now. On average the fg% was close to 50% and teams scored more back then than they do know.

NBAGOAT
06-21-2019, 03:19 PM
Load management would prevent him from scoring 40+ if he was on any decent team. He be playing like 35mpg and it’s hard to score more than a pt per minute in any era. Even for wilt, one reason besides pace he scored 50 was playing 48.5mpg. Bradley Beal lead the league with 37mpg and he was in the exact situation where he had to. Shitty team that had an outside chance at the playoffs.

Marchesk
06-21-2019, 03:20 PM
Harden just averaged 36 and Westbrook got his third triple double season in a row.

If you don't think Jordan could do better than that, then :facepalm

Marchesk
06-21-2019, 03:21 PM
Load management would prevent him from scoring 40+ if he was on any decent team. He be playing like 35mpg and it’s hard to score more than a pt per minute in any era. Even for wilt, one reason besides pace he scored 50 was playing 48.5mpg. Bradley Beal lead the league with 37mpg and he was in the exact situation where he had to. Shitty team that had an outside chance at the playoffs.

But Wilt averaged over a point per minute. The only player to ever do that in the history of the game. So even at 35 mpg with load management, he's shooting a higher percentage and still getting 40 today.

Same with Jordan. 50 is hyperbole, but Kobe could also go for 40 in this league.

FKAri
06-21-2019, 03:23 PM
Harden just averaged 36 and Westbrook got his third triple double season in a row.

If you don't think Jordan could do better than that, then :facepalm
Why would MJ dominate the ball to that extent and tire himself out though? He'd have to be on a lottery team for it to happen.

NBAGOAT
06-21-2019, 03:24 PM
But Wilt averaged over a point per minute. The only player to ever do that in the history of the game. So even at 35 mpg with load management, he's shooting a higher percentage and still getting 40 today.

Same with Jordan. 50 is hyperbole, but Kobe could also go for 40 in this league.

Well 50/48.5 is quite a bit less than 40/35. Add on wilt did that only once. Like yea 40 isn’t hyperbole for mj or even kobe but it’s unlikely.

Edit: translates to 55 per 48 which is a massive jump even if it is “only” 5ppg. It’s way bigger than mjs volume gap over the next best volume scorer of all time and he’s considered an outlier

Marchesk
06-21-2019, 03:24 PM
Why would MJ dominate the ball to that extent and tire himself out though?

He wouldn't if he didn't need to. Why did Harden go for 36?

bigkingsfan
06-21-2019, 03:29 PM
He wouldn't if he didn't need to. Why did Harden go for 36?
Jordan never matched Harden TS this year, his game is pretty much tailor for PPG for today. Isolation on about every play, jack up tons of 3's, get to the line. All on low fatigue.

NBAGOAT
06-21-2019, 03:31 PM
He wouldn't if he didn't need to. Why did Harden go for 36?

Injuries made his team pretty mediocre and forced him to play 37mpg. Had to sacrifice his defense again too, something mj is unlikely to do. Add on 3ppg is pretty big.

Showtime80'
06-21-2019, 03:32 PM
NBA Goat putting things into perspective as usual!

Michael could've averaged 40 at any time in his career in ANY ERA(that rounds out to just 10 points a quarter for God's sake) but even early on he understood that wasn't going to be a recipe for winning. A scoring leader had NEVER lead an NBA team to a title before MJ so coaching staffs had learned from the Wilt mammoth stat years on how NOT to design their offenses.

As someone else said, people really don't understand how much of a detriment for the modern NBA is to have Russell Brickhouse as one of its top players, scorers, MVP winner and having just averaged a triple double for three straight years. He is LITERALLY one of the DUMBEST, LOWEST IQ, FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED players IN BASKETBALL HISTORY!!!

Go ahead and pop up the MVP list from 1980 to 1998 and tell me where you find moronic players like Dumbrook or Rose winning that award?!?! NOWHERE!!!

They are an example of how dumbed down this league has truly become. Guys like MJ, Bird, Magic, Kareem or Duncan would dominate this present NBA on their BRAINS ALONE let alone their physical abilities.

egokiller
06-21-2019, 03:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYzW3GNvDbE

Anyone who understands basketball then vs now would agree with this.

bullettooth
06-21-2019, 04:07 PM
unfortunately in todays game the toughest competition isn't getting checked by Jeff Hornacek

True. It's getting tickled by JJ Barea.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CllRe7KWEAAihOU.jpg

HoopologyPhD
06-21-2019, 04:48 PM
Ordan wouldn't be allowed onto the court because of his poor shooting from 3.
:oldlol:

r0drig0lac
06-21-2019, 06:10 PM
Why would MJ dominate the ball to that extent and tire himself out though? He'd have to be on a lottery team for it to happen.
was Harden on a lottery team? or do you think Harden is better than Jordan?

egokiller
06-21-2019, 07:04 PM
MJ could literally get 50 a night by coming off screens with 4 sec left in the shot clock and shooting as a last resort under this weak rule set. He wouldn't need to dominate the ball at all.

SamuraiSWISH
06-21-2019, 07:15 PM
MJ could literally get 50 a night by coming off screens with 4 sec left in the shot clock and shooting as a last resort under this weak rule set. He wouldn't need to dominate the ball at all.
Bro ... prime / peak Mike from

ArbitraryWater
06-21-2019, 07:17 PM
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Bro ... prime / peak Mike from

egokiller
06-21-2019, 07:44 PM
[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Bro ... prime / peak Mike from

Manny98
06-21-2019, 07:46 PM
Coming from a nikka that wears dresses lol

StrongLurk
06-21-2019, 08:37 PM
Harden just averaged 36 and Westbrook got his third triple double season in a row.

If you don't think Jordan could do better than that, then :facepalm

Harden scored 36ppg because he can hit a TON of THREES...along with a lot of free throws. Harden shot 24 times and 11 free throws a game.

Mj shot 28 times and 12 free throws just to average 37ppg.

So for Jordan to average 40, he'd have to be shooting over 30 times per game...and have to shoot like 40 times per game to average 50.

Just dumb hyperbole.

egokiller
06-21-2019, 08:43 PM
Harden scored 36ppg because he can hit a TON of THREES...along with a lot of free throws. Harden shot 24 times and 11 free throws a game.

Mj shot 28 times and 12 free throws just to average 37ppg.

So for Jordan to average 40, he'd have to be shooting over 30 times per game...and have to shoot like 40 times per game to average 50.

Just dumb hyperbole.

You’re still basing this shit on today’s weak offensive players and not accounting for MJ’s increased fg% in today’s era due to a weak rule set that would highly enhance a player like him. Westbrook would seem like a joke compared to him. Jordan shooting 30 a game today would seem like norm after a few months into it if he was playing today.

StrongLurk
06-21-2019, 08:50 PM
[QUOTE=egokiller]You

Bronbron23
06-21-2019, 08:52 PM
It all depends on what kind of system mj was in. If it was with in the triangle with Phil then no he wouldn't average 50 or even 40 for that matter. He'd maybe average a few points more than he did in the 90's because of pace of play.
If mj was in a system like Dantoni where he had the ball in his hands all the time then yeah he could absolutely average 40 in an era that doesn't allow perimeter defence

egokiller
06-21-2019, 09:07 PM
The combination of no real defense being allowed + better advancements in training, diet, etc in this era would result in MJ dropping 50 a game. And don't even get me started on the social media aspect of it all. Him being the biggest shit talker of all time in this pussified world? Nikka would break the NBA.:eek:

sdot_thadon
06-21-2019, 09:44 PM
He probably could, but we all know it would be loser ball and he'd never win anything meaningful. I'm sure alot of guys in history could if they were willing to sell all the way out with a team giving it's blessing. It's stupid to just assume it would work that way though without any consideration to anyting but rules and ppg.

Would he be able to deal with zones with a weak 3 point shot in this era? What would stop teams from playing him like Giannis or the way they played lebron before he learned to shoot? His midrange was money but his 3 is the way you'd make him try to beat you in this era.

Scoring that many points on just about only 2's is tiring and he's toast by the end of the season. He'd have to take a 2nd baseball vacation playing that way.

I feel he'd be a beast in any era, lesser in the eras before him because of more strict dribbling rules. But 50 is possible but not really likely at all unless you're a fanboy.

Bronbron23
06-21-2019, 11:41 PM
He probably could, but we all know it would be loser ball and he'd never win anything meaningful. I'm sure alot of guys in history could if they were willing to sell all the way out with a team giving it's blessing. It's stupid to just assume it would work that way though without any consideration to anyting but rules and ppg.

Would he be able to deal with zones with a weak 3 point shot in this era? What would stop teams from playing him like Giannis or the way they played lebron before he learned to shoot? His midrange was money but his 3 is the way you'd make him try to beat you in this era.

Scoring that many points on just about only 2's is tiring and he's toast by the end of the season. He'd have to take a 2nd baseball vacation playing that way.

I feel he'd be a beast in any era, lesser in the eras before him because of more strict dribbling rules. But 50 is possible but not really likely at all unless you're a fanboy.
Well if James harden was 1 game away from making it to the finals playing ball dominant ball last year I don't see why mj couldn't only make the finals but win a couple. He definitely wouldn't win 6 that way though.
And if you know anything about mj you know that his stamina was other worldly. Mj would go all out on both ends of the floor in a more physical era and then go play two rounds of golf and then go gamble till 3 am. No chance in hell mj gets tired in any era.
And you must not have watched mj if you think defences could gaurd him like they did greek or a younger Bron. For one his first step was way faster than both so trying to keep him out of the paint even with a zone would be much harder than with Greek who needs a head of steam. Even if they managed to do that mj could still give you 40 on long jumpers and post game alone. Greek and early Bron couldn't do either.

As far as mj averaging 50 there's no chance in hell. People who say that are getting a little carried away. Mj would probably average 32-35 in this era.

andgar923
06-22-2019, 08:27 AM
So if Harden can average that many points, and Kawhi can average 30+ in the post season, MJ can't?

The lanes are easier to penetrate than ever, he wouldn't need to shoot 3pointers. He also doesn't need to hold the ball for 18 seconds to make a decision. If Giannis can easily get to the cup due to the wide open lanes imagine a lightning fast MJ?

And ya'll acting as if MJ wouldn't be able to hit a single 3pt shot. He can easily adjust and hit two 3pt shots at .340% and drive every other possession and get tons of free throws.

Players would't be allowed to touch him and he'd just blow by them.

MJ wouldn't settle for heaves over defenders like Tmac and Kobe. So he'd be getting to the lane over and over and over.

He used to constantly beat double and triple teams both while dribbling and in the air. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_RLjmI6fK4&t=357s

How is one man that can't touch him and no rim protection gonna compare?

egokiller
06-22-2019, 12:32 PM
It's comical how these defenders of current era basketball are doing everything they can to convince themselves that Jordan wouldn't shit all over this era when they know he'd easily drop 50 a game while winning 70+ games a year. :applause:

paksat
06-22-2019, 01:28 PM
Why would MJ dominate the ball to that extent and tire himself out though? He'd have to be on a lottery team for it to happen.


jordan

tired





pick one

SamuraiSWISH
06-22-2019, 01:54 PM
It's comical how these defenders of current era basketball are doing everything they can to convince themselves that Jordan wouldn't shit all over this era when they know he'd easily drop 50 a game while winning 70+ games a year. :applause:
I don’t get it either ...

Westbrick in 2017 put up 32 ppg on 43%

Are we implying Retarded Westbrick is a better athlete than Jordan? He’s not. At worst equal. And scoring skill set, and jumper? Not even close in Mike’s favor.

And ‘88 - ‘93 Mike with an ultimate 2017 Westbrick, 2019 Harden, 2006 Kobe, 2003 McGrady, 2001 Iverson caliber green light with no structured offense or sidekick to take up shot attempts?

Y’all really don’t think he could easily average 40 - 45 ppg at least for one season?

:rolleyes: :oldlol:

Then the only conclusion is not only did you not see twilight prime fade-away Jordan from ‘96-‘98 (who could still put up 35 ppg in this league easy)

Then they definitely didn’t see prime ‘88 - ‘93 Air Jordan.

bigkingsfan
06-22-2019, 02:33 PM
And ‘88 - ‘93 Mike with an ultimate 2017 Westbrick, 2019 Harden, 2006 Kobe, 2003 McGrady, 2001 Iverson caliber green light with no structured offense or sidekick to take up shot attempts?
Except we already saw that. Where he had his most inefficient shooting season in 87 outside of 98/non full seasons.

The league average isn't far off.
87 - 109.9
2019 - 111.2

Hell look at Westbrook TS in 2017 vs Jordan in 87, .554 vs .562.
Harden is at .616 this year.

NBASTATMAN
06-22-2019, 02:38 PM
40s is def probable


i agree..

SamuraiSWISH
06-22-2019, 02:42 PM
Except we already saw that. Where he had his most inefficient shooting season in 87 outside of 98/non full seasons.

The league average isn't far off.
87 - 109.9
2019 - 111.2

Hell look at Westbrook TS in 2017 vs Jordan in 87, .554 vs .562.
Harden is at .616 this year.
Less space to operate, hand check and more rim protection then ...

The actual on court basketball context is different.

:oldlol:

bigkingsfan
06-22-2019, 02:49 PM
Less space to operate, hand check and more rim protection then ...

The actual on court basketball context is different.

:oldlol:
Everyone was scoring at ease back then.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1987_totals.html#totals_stats::fg_pct

paksat
06-22-2019, 02:58 PM
Everyone was scoring at ease back then.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1987_totals.html#totals_stats::fg_pct

The actual on court basketball context..

DaHeezy
06-22-2019, 03:01 PM
Nobody could average 40 in today's era, period. Let alone 50.

Gougou
06-22-2019, 03:13 PM
I mean Harden already avged 36 pts, Jordan can probably do that too.

Bronbron23
06-22-2019, 03:13 PM
Nobody could average 40 in today's era, period. Let alone 50.
So you think harden is a better scorer than mj? A prime mj in a Dantoni system could definitely average 40. Its way easier to score now because of the rules and pace of play. Mj had seasons of 35 and 37. In this era He would get 4-6 more foul shots a game and 4-8 more possessions. That's an easy 4-8 more points a game.

NBAGOAT
06-22-2019, 03:17 PM
The actual on court basketball context..

The context is 80s were quite easy as a scoring era. Thing is 17 Westbrook and 19 harden rarely took breaks running the offense. Didn’t have the motor to play defense. Russ only played 35mpg too. I doubt mj sacrifices his defense. Add on even with the goat lvl motor, I doubt he plays 40mpg when the next highest is 37. There’s a lot more running around on defense now and ofc pace too. 80s teams dealt with the high pace by coasting quite a bit too. Add on gap between 32 and 40 is massive

stalkerforlife
06-22-2019, 03:17 PM
Nobody could average 40 in today's era, period. Let alone 50.

Harden just averaged 36.

:roll:

NBAGOAT
06-22-2019, 03:25 PM
So you think harden is a better scorer than mj? A prime mj in a Dantoni system could definitely average 40. Its way easier to score now because of the rules and pace of play. Mj had seasons of 35 and 37. In this era He would get 4-6 more foul shots a game and 4-8 more possessions. That's an easy 4-8 more points a game.

The pace in the 80s is comparable to today. Keep in mind hou is one of the slowest teams in the league too, this isn’t dantonis system in phx. Finally, hardens done this once. He’s not scoring 36 ever again, likely not even much over 30.

Someone might score 40 in a yr, no ones doing it every year of a 5 yr prime however. Kobe has a 35ppg yr, then drops to 31.6 and 30. Tmac has 32 but next highest is like 28. Wilt has 50 and next highest is 38. Mj drops off less than them but 37 is obviously a bit higher than the rest

bigkingsfan
06-22-2019, 03:26 PM
Harden just averaged 36.

:roll:
Harden plays both PG/SG, initiate the offense, shoot 13 3's a game, thus giving him more opportunities to score.

His time of possession crushes MJ in any year. This year he had three more than Lebron, who people thinks hold the ball a lot already.

stalkerforlife
06-22-2019, 03:28 PM
Harden plays both PG/SG, initiate the offense, shoot 13 3's a game, thus giving him more opportunities to score.

His time of possession crushes MJ in any year.

Other than your obsession with me, what's your point?

You think MJ would allow someone to outscore him?

He'd average 40 on principle.

bdonovan
06-22-2019, 03:44 PM
He should go back to N Korean diplomacy.

bigkingsfan
06-22-2019, 03:48 PM
Other than your obsession with me, what's your point?

You think MJ would allow someone to outscore him?

He'd average 40 on principle.
You think MJ would let someone beat him three straight?

Wait that actually happened.

stalkerforlife
06-22-2019, 03:58 PM
You think MJ would let someone beat him three straight?

Wait that actually happened.

What?

Callystarr
06-22-2019, 05:24 PM
unfortunately in todays game the toughest competition isn't getting checked by Jeff Hornacek


You found the most vulnerable looking shooting guard to compare?
You need to do better. They actually played defense in the 90s

Callystarr
06-22-2019, 05:26 PM
Harden just averaged 36 and Westbrook got his third triple double season in a row.

If you don't think Jordan could do better than that, then :facepalm

And they both led the NBA in turnovers for the like 10th season in a row :lol

Callystarr
06-22-2019, 05:28 PM
NBA Goat putting things into perspective as usual!

Michael could've averaged 40 at any time in his career in ANY ERA(that rounds out to just 10 points a quarter for God's sake) but even early on he understood that wasn't going to be a recipe for winning. A scoring leader had NEVER lead an NBA team to a title before MJ so coaching staffs had learned from the Wilt mammoth stat years on how NOT to design their offenses.

As someone else said, people really don't understand how much of a detriment for the modern NBA is to have Russell Brickhouse as one of its top players, scorers, MVP winner and having just averaged a triple double for three straight years. He is LITERALLY one of the DUMBEST, LOWEST IQ, FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED players IN BASKETBALL HISTORY!!!

Go ahead and pop up the MVP list from 1980 to 1998 and tell me where you find moronic players like Dumbrook or Rose winning that award?!?! NOWHERE!!!

They are an example of how dumbed down this league has truly become. Guys like MJ, Bird, Magic, Kareem or Duncan would dominate this present NBA on their BRAINS ALONE let alone their physical abilities.

THIS!

Callystarr
06-22-2019, 05:29 PM
Ordan wouldn't be allowed onto the court because of his poor shooting from 3.
:oldlol:

If he focused on it, he would probably had been one of the best, but that wasn't the focus back then.

He did have 2 back to back season late in his career where he averaged 37-42% from 3. That was not his game.

Callystarr
06-22-2019, 05:31 PM
Harden scored 36ppg because he can hit a TON of THREES...along with a lot of free throws. Harden shot 24 times and 11 free throws a game.

Mj shot 28 times and 12 free throws just to average 37ppg.

So for Jordan to average 40, he'd have to be shooting over 30 times per game...and have to shoot like 40 times per game to average 50.

Just dumb hyperbole.

Wrong.

He would need to shoot more 3's, which in todays NBA that is nothing.
Furthemore, he would be a primary ball handler...a distinct advantage that Harden has.

you had 3 ballhandlers during the Chicago bulls days. Imagine if Jordan was given the go ahead to be MORE selfish

LostCause
06-22-2019, 05:48 PM
He could average 40, definitely

I don't think he'd do it though unless we're talking young MJ who needed to carry his team. I think what would improve would be his efficiency - he'd undoubtedly be the BEST and most efficient perimeter player in the league. Extremely high efficient scoring with strong playmaking (Not at say, Hardens level) but one of the most underrated things about MJ would shine - how well he took care of the ball

With the way guards rebound today, he'd average at least 1 or 2 more of those a game as well as 1 or 2 more assists from kicking it out to 3 pt shooters instead of working through the triangle with Pippen

I could see him averaging something like 35/8/8 over a few seasons, on even better efficiency than his 89 season where he actually put up those numbers

andgar923
06-22-2019, 05:53 PM
Lol @ MJ getting tired in today

NBAGOAT
06-22-2019, 06:02 PM
He could average 40, definitely

I don't think he'd do it though unless we're talking young MJ who needed to carry his team. I think what would improve would be his efficiency - he'd undoubtedly be the BEST and most efficient perimeter player in the league. Extremely high efficient scoring with strong playmaking (Not at say, Hardens level) but one of the most underrated things about MJ would shine - how well he took care of the ball

With the way guards rebound today, he'd a erafe at least 1 orc2 more of those a game as well as 1 or 2 more assists from kicking it out to 3 pt shooters instead of working through the triangle with Pippen

I could see him averaging something like 35/8/8 over a few seasons, on even better efficiency than his 89 season where he actually put up those numbers

So Durant efficiency, I can see that definitely even with not too much improvement from 3. 63-65 ts% range. Lebron was capable of a little worse without great outside shooting. Don

egokiller
06-22-2019, 06:36 PM
He'd average 50+ ppg and 70+ wins a season. Probably 4 peat.

UK2K
06-22-2019, 07:14 PM
MJ would get to the bucket every single play...

And there would be no enforcers there to stop him.

egokiller
06-22-2019, 07:38 PM
MJ would get to the bucket every single play...

And there would be no enforcers there to stop him.

The enforcers during his prime never stopped him. They just slowed him down unlike other players which they completely stopped.

CTbasketball92
06-22-2019, 08:36 PM
MJ was basically a 6'6" Russell Westbrook with DWade body control and Kawhi hands. People mention poor three-point shooting, but MJ shot 34% from three and even taking 5 a game at that percentage is easily good enough shooting for teams to not play MJ like they do Giannis. Even if they tried to, MJ shot like 50% on midrange jumpers and long-twos on thousands of attempts. He's getting to the line at least 10 times a game and making two threes. He could definitely get 40, but 50 is just ridiculous. I don't buy that. He'd be the best scorer though

LostCause
06-22-2019, 09:09 PM
[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]So Durant efficiency, I can see that definitely even with not too much improvement from 3. 63-65 ts% range. Lebron was capable of a little worse without great outside shooting. Don

Turbo Slayer
06-22-2019, 10:17 PM
Jordan FOREVER

6 for 6 in the Finals. Hes the GOAT

Better than Kobe and Lebron

No debate

NBAGOAT
06-22-2019, 10:37 PM
I suppose it depends on what type of team he's on and sort of playstyle he adapts

If he's playing similar to the Harden/Westbrook/LeBron types with high usage and being the fulcrum of his teams offense, I can actually see him putting up Westbrook type numbers with much better efficiency (He had a 61 TS% in 89) and less turnovers (Similar to what he did in 89 when he played point guard for a few months and averaged a triple double)

Although he was more successful ceding the bulk of the playmaking duties to Pippen, the Bulls had success with Jordan playing that way (Before ultimately losing to the Pistons in the ECF). Just to cite a bit from Elgee's Backpicks post on the matter:



So Jordan would be very unique in that he can function in the same role as LeBron/Harden/Westbrook while also being able to fit into a system. So he can both carry a team as well as enhance an already good one by fitting into a system/allowing a lesser player to shine

I wonder how his fit on the Warriors would be, for example. Not as seamless as Durant obviously due to Durant being a far better 3-pt shooter but I think he'd fit far better than the other 3 players mentioned

yea depends highly on the situation. tbf to westbrook and harden they have shown ability to put up assists with other greats some ball dominant like durant and cp3. Lebron didnt really start putting up 8+apg til 17.

I agree with your last point, the warriors system would change with those players more than it did with durant or jordan. A counterargument is lebron/harden/westbrook+shooters is absolutely deadly however. i think lebron and westbrook have no problem just passing to shooters coming off screens too at least instead of always having to drive to create open shooters as shown by like westbrook and george's decent chemistry the last 2 years.

72-10
06-23-2019, 12:47 AM
I guess he's hypothesizing that he'd beat Wilt's mark. 50's awfully high; I think he'd shoot a lot of free throws, though. Btw, I think Wilt would get Shaq-like stats had he played the 90's.

TheCorporation
06-23-2019, 01:16 AM
Did no one tell him about the 3-point line and how it was moved back and how zone defense is no longer illegal :eek:

Bronbron23
06-23-2019, 05:53 AM
Did no one tell him about the 3-point line and how it was moved back and how zone defense is no longer illegal :eek:
See this is the dumb shit I'm talking about. You say shit all the time that is just plain wrong. The NBA 3 point line was only shortened for 3 seasons. From 94 to 97. Yeah his 3 pt percentage was obviously higher during that time. But the 3 ball still wasn't a major focus of his game especially in the regular season. Actually in the playoffs where he used it more he had the same 3pt percentage with the regular 3pt line as he did with the shortened one. Those years were also some of his lowest ppg in the playoffs so it's not like it was needed to help him score or something so as usual your point is kinda mute.

As far as zones plenty of teams played zones or tried to play zones on mj(like LeBron he was too smart for some defences) It was supposed to be illegal but they rarely called it. Kinda like traveling today. Early 90's Knicks played a more physical zone than any team from today does. They had 3 Draymond type players in oak, xman and Mason and had Patrick Ewing waiting in the middle. Go watch some of those bulls Knicks early 90 playoff series and you'll see a shit ton of double, tripple teams and zones.

Stop talking bs man

SpaceJam
06-23-2019, 06:07 AM
He'd average 50+ ppg and 70+ wins a season. Probably 4 peat.

Wait....are we bringing Pippen into today's game in this scenario too bro?

Uncle Drew
06-23-2019, 06:45 AM
Is DeRozan currently averaging 50? There's your answer.

nayte
06-23-2019, 07:31 AM
Nah not 50 but 40 maybe if he wanted to. Wouldn't get a ring that way tho, the team wouldn't be good enough if he had to do that.

paksat
06-23-2019, 08:55 AM
[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]The context is 80s were quite easy as a scoring era. Thing is 17 Westbrook and 19 harden rarely took breaks running the offense. Didn

Bronbron23
06-23-2019, 03:54 PM
Is DeRozan currently averaging 50? There's your answer.
Yeah DeRozan and mj are exactly the same except for Jordan is a better three point shooter, foul shooter, passer, rebounder defender, decision maker, motivator and leader. Jordan also has a better post game, mid-range, first step and he's a better finisher. Hes also a better competitor and winner. So besides all that and what ever I'm Missing mj and DeRozan are identical :facepalm

TheCorporation
06-23-2019, 03:58 PM
Yeah DeRozan and mj are exactly the same except for Jordan is a better three point shooter, foul shooter, passer, rebounder defender, decision maker, motivator and leader. Jordan also has a better post game, mid-range, first step and he's a better finisher. Hes also a better competitor and winner. So besides all that and what ever I'm Missing mj and DeRozan are identical :facepalm

Put DeMar into the weak 90s eras where shooting isnt important and he'd FLOURISH

https://i.postimg.cc/0y9BR6Mz/DeMarJ.png

Uncle Drew
06-23-2019, 04:15 PM
Yeah DeRozan and mj are exactly the same
Indeed they are. Good to see we agree.

Bronbron23
06-23-2019, 05:47 PM
Put DeMar into the weak 90s eras where shooting isnt important and he'd FLOURISH

https://i.postimg.cc/0y9BR6Mz/DeMarJ.pngWow a 5 game sample. This is high iq stuff :facepalm

Manny98
06-23-2019, 05:49 PM
DeMar with no zones and a shortened 3 point line would average 40 easily

egokiller
06-23-2019, 05:52 PM
Wait....are we bringing Pippen into today's game in this scenario too bro?

Bring in any 5th draft pick that has similar body type and athleticism to Pippen who's willing to train with MJ every day before practice and the result is the same.

Too bad lebron didn't want to win badly enough that he wasn't willing to go the extra distance and train his teammates at home like MJ did. :eek:

sdot_thadon
06-23-2019, 06:58 PM
Bring in any 5th draft pick that has similar body type and athleticism to Pippen who's willing to train with MJ every day before practice and the result is the same.

Too bad lebron didn't want to win badly enough that he wasn't willing to go the extra distance and train his teammates at home like MJ did. :eek:
If Mj "made" Pippen, why'd he only make one? Why didn't he "make" one in Washington? He had a no.1 pick, and a future allstar 7th pick on the roster, as well as a former allstar and no.3 pick in Jerry Stackhouse. Why didn't he "make" either of those guys better in the absolute worst period the east ever had?