Ray Allen once said Kobe, "needed 2.5 stars to win a ring".. remind you of anyone??

[Kidbasketball20]

Bosh, Wade + veteran role players = 2.5

Irving, Love + veteran role players = 2.5




The only superstar who didn't need it... Kawhi Leonard :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Vino24]

Bosh, Wade + veteran role players = 2.5

Irving, Love + veteran role players = 2.5




The only superstar who didn't need it... Kawhi Leonard :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
is 8ppg in the finals from Love superstar production?

[FKAri]

Kawhi the only NBA superstar who needed 0 lottery picks (including himself) to get it done. That bald phaggit MJ couldn't even accomplish that feat. Remarkable. GOATwhi :applause:

[Vino24]

Kawhi never went 1-9 in the first round

[Kidbasketball20]

is 8ppg in the finals from Love superstar production?

Who said superstar? Kevin Love is an All Star who was a consistent #1 on bad teams. You sound dumb :facepalm

[nashwade]

kawhi was playing with parker, manu and duncan during his first ring

kawhi then proceeded beat a team that had the best player out for the whole series except for 12 minutes gametime

I'd say he's more lucky than good. he's still good.

[SpaceJam]

Kawhi 2014 - 1 All-Star teammate
LeBron 2016 - 0 All-Star teammate
Kawhi 2019 - 1 All-Star teammate

I can't say I see your point OP

[Akeem34TheDream]

Steph needs 3 and a half to win a ring. He is basically a 4th option guy.

[Kidbasketball20]

Kawhi 2014 - 1 All-Star teammate
LeBron 2016 - 0 All-Star teammate
Kawhi 2019 - 1 All-Star teammate

I can't say I see your point OP

How convenient you don't mention the 2 other rings LeBron had w All Stars :applause: :applause:

[Kidbasketball20]

kawhi was playing with parker, manu and duncan during his first ring

kawhi then proceeded beat a team that had the best player out for the whole series except for 12 minutes gametime

I'd say he's more lucky than good. he's still good.

And LeBron had WADE and BOSH and Allen (3 Hall of Famers let alone "All Stars") during his 2 real rings.


I'd say he's more lucky than good. he's still good.

[SpaceJam]

How convenient you don't mention the 2 other rings LeBron had w All Stars :applause: :applause:

Didn't need to, Bron has won without an All-Star teammate. Kawhi hasn't, next question.

[Kblaze8855]

Teams were less talented then. Maybe more talented than their numbers considering the defenses played then relative to today....but still less talented because the modern style CBA was new, salary caps were smaller, and the teaming up had not really began.

That was around the time having just one other star to play with was really rare. A lot of players were bitter over Kobe having had Shaq so long. Ray is talking about a time where the only people who had high end #2s had Glenn Robinson, Finley, Peja and Antione Walker. Walker was the highest scoring #2 in the league....other than the Shaq/Kobe duo.

The early 2000s Lakers had that advantage over everyone. Everyones elses duo would be a star and a really good player. Or just two low end stars. Shaq/Kobe had eachother.

Oddly the closest anyone came to having 3 legit stars? Maybe Ray on the Bucks who had himself, Glenn, and Cassell....them and the Mavs.

But none of those teams had anyone called a superstar other than their #1. Nash wasnt considered great till the rule changes opened up the game.

Tmac....Ray....AI...Vince...Stackhouse..Pierce...a ll of them were jealous of Shaq. Ray made a big deal of it when Shaq was gone and the Lakers won 35-42 games for 3 years and missed/did nothing in the playoffs like all the others used to do on their own.

They had a little beef that isnt talked about often. One of the first over used gifs on here was Kobe blocking Ray in what I think was a preseason game.

[brooks_thompson]

Remind me of anyone? Yeah, Ray Allen

[warriorfan]

Remind me of anyone? Yeah, Ray Allen
:oldlol:

Damn.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Teams were less talented then. Maybe more talented than their numbers considering the defenses played then relative to today....but still less talented because the modern style CBA was new, salary caps were smaller, and the teaming up had not really began.

That was around the time having just one other star to play with was really rare. A lot of players were bitter over Kobe having had Shaq so long. Ray is talking about a time where the only people who had high end #2s had Glenn Robinson, Finley, Peja and Antione Walker. Walker was the highest scoring #2 in the league....other than the Shaq/Kobe duo.

The early 2000s Lakers had that advantage over everyone. Everyones elses duo would be a star and a really good player. Or just two low end stars. Shaq/Kobe had eachother.

Oddly the closest anyone came to having 3 legit stars? Maybe Ray on the Bucks who had himself, Glenn, and Cassell....them and the Mavs.

But none of those teams had anyone called a superstar other than their #1. Nash wasnt considered great till the rule changes opened up the game.

Tmac....Ray....AI...Vince...Stackhouse..Pierce...a ll of them were jealous of Shaq. Ray made a big deal of it when Shaq was gone and the Lakers won 35-42 games for 3 years and missed/did nothing in the playoffs like all the others used to do on their own.

They had a little beef that isnt talked about often. One of the first over used gifs on here was Kobe blocking Ray in what I think was a preseason game.


So we're just gonna sit here and act like the Spurs and Kings did not exist back during that time...got it.

[egokiller]

Teams were less talented then. Maybe more talented than their numbers considering the defenses played then relative to today....but still less talented because the modern style CBA was new, salary caps were smaller, and the teaming up had not really began.

That was around the time having just one other star to play with was really rare. A lot of players were bitter over Kobe having had Shaq so long. Ray is talking about a time where the only people who had high end #2s had Glenn Robinson, Finley, Peja and Antione Walker. Walker was the highest scoring #2 in the league....other than the Shaq/Kobe duo.

The early 2000s Lakers had that advantage over everyone. Everyones elses duo would be a star and a really good player. Or just two low end stars. Shaq/Kobe had eachother.

Oddly the closest anyone came to having 3 legit stars? Maybe Ray on the Bucks who had himself, Glenn, and Cassell....them and the Mavs.

But none of those teams had anyone called a superstar other than their #1. Nash wasnt considered great till the rule changes opened up the game.

Tmac....Ray....AI...Vince...Stackhouse..Pierce...a ll of them were jealous of Shaq. Ray made a big deal of it when Shaq was gone and the Lakers won 35-42 games for 3 years and missed/did nothing in the playoffs like all the others used to do on their own.

They had a little beef that isnt talked about often. One of the first over used gifs on here was Kobe blocking Ray in what I think was a preseason game.

Poor ray got so bent out of shape he needed PP and KG to win a ring. :lol

[tpols]

And then he went and won two with none.

GOAT.

[Bosnian Sajo]

The Kings were absolutely STACKED in the early 2000's.

Mike Bibby, Peja, Webber, Divac, Christie starting with Hedo, Bobby and Jim Jackson off the bench.

Going up against the dominant Shaq and Kobe, but that's it as far as big names. The 3rd best player on the team was Derek Fisher. I like Fish, but lets not act like there weren't any other teams that had multiple stars on them.

[Mr Feeny]

And then he went and won two with none.

GOAT.

Which rings would that be?I seem to remember Gasol carrying him to rings in 2009 and 2010.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Poor ray got so bent out of shape he needed PP and KG to win a ring. :lol

Don't forget prime Rondo

[tpols]

Which rings would that be?I seem to remember Gasol carrying him to rings in 2009 and 2010.


Pau gasol is mike bibby tier my friend.

Stay triggered.

[Mr Feeny]

The Kings were absolutely STACKED in the early 2000's.

Mike Bibby, Peja, Webber, Divac, Christie starting with Hedo, Bobby and Jim Jackson off the bench.

Going up against the dominant Shaq and Kobe, but that's it as far as big names. The 3rd best player on the team was Derek Fisher. I like Fish, but lets not act like there weren't any other teams that had multiple stars on them.

The Kings were garbage, and I watched every second of that series. Bibby and Christie?:oldlol:

The Lakera won because of the biggest referring scandal in the history of the sport. And partly because Horry (as usual) came up big when it mattered (game 4, to stop the lakers from going down 3-1).

That was anything but a great team. And the lakers were infinitely more talented.

[Mr Feeny]

Pau gasol is mike bibby tier my friend.

Stay triggered.

Gasol is a tier above Kobe though. I guess so is Bibby.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Which rings would that be?I seem to remember Gasol carrying him to rings in 2009 and 2010.

It's funny how Pau Gasol is considered a superstar literally ONLY during those two seasons....no one EVER mentions the "dominant Memphis Grizzlies with Pau" or the Lakers teams after those two championships.


This place is so toxic when it comes to bashing Lakers. Like I get it, your childhood was ruined with Lakers winning 5 titles during a single decade...has this current decade not made up for it on its own without the toxicity?

[Bosnian Sajo]

The Kings were garbage, and I watched every second of that series. Bibby and Christie?:oldlol:

The Lakera won because of the biggest referring scandal in the history of the sport. And partly because Horry (as usual) came up big when it mattered (game 4, to stop the lakers from going down 3-1).

That was anything but a great team. And the lakers were infinitely more talented.


Never quote me again. We don't have anything to discuss.

[Mr Feeny]

It's funny how Pau Gasol is considered a superstar literally ONLY during those two seasons....no one EVER mentions the "dominant Memphis Grizzlies with Pau" or the Lakers teams after those two championships.


This place is so toxic when it comes to bashing Lakers. Like I get it, your childhood was ruined with Lakers winning 5 titles during a single decade...has this current decade not made up for it on its own without the toxicity?

Who played better in the 2010 finals? The 2009 finals? Who led them in win shares?

Gasol. Because he was a better player. He wasnt the one who went the bed with 25% in the biggest game of the season.

[Mr Feeny]

Never quote me again. We don't have anything to discuss.

Yet you melted down and quoted me. If you have your panties in a bunch because you cant handle someone calling out your silly attempt at propping up a mediocre team, to inflate your idol's "accomplishments", then go cry in a corner.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Who played better in the 2010 finals? The 2009 finals? Who led them in win shares?

Gasol. Because he was a better player. He wasnt the one who went the bed with 25% in the biggest game of the season.


If you ask me, I'd say Sasha Vujacic was just as important as Pau. Followed by DJ Mbenga.

Kobe comes in around 4th/5th, depending on how much crack Lamar Odom would smoke pregame.

[Mr Feeny]

If you ask me, I'd say Sasha Vujacic was just as important as Pau. Followed by DJ Mbenga.

Kobe comes in around 4th/5th, depending on how much crack Lamar Odom would smoke pregame.

He's definitely behind Gasol. Glad to see that we both agree on that.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Yet you melted down and quoted me. If you have your panties in a bunch because you cant handle someone calling out your silly attempt at propping up a mediocre team, to inflate your idol's "accomplishments", then go cry in a corner.


I don't have idols.

You're an idiot. I can confidently say that without even attempting to explain why, it is blatant.


Good luck!

[Mr Feeny]

I don't have idols.

You're an idiot. I can confidently say that without even attempting to explain why, it is blatant.


Good luck!

Ah there is the ad hominem. The classic sign of a meltdown.
Glad to see it.

[Kblaze8855]

So we're just gonna sit here and act like the Spurs and Kings did not exist back during that time...got it.


We gonna act like those teams had multiple superstars?

They were deep. Not full of stars.

The spurs weren

[Wally450]

Don't forget prime Rondo

I wouldn't say in 2008 he was near his prime, but anything 2010 and later I'd say yes.

[RealSkipBayless]

I wouldn't say in 2008 he was near his prime, but anything 2010 and later I'd say yes.
Hey buddy. How many stars are the Celtics going to have next season? :lol

[egokiller]

It's funny how Pau Gasol is considered a superstar literally ONLY during those two seasons....no one EVER mentions the "dominant Memphis Grizzlies with Pau" or the Lakers teams after those two championships.


This place is so toxic when it comes to bashing Lakers. Like I get it, your childhood was ruined with Lakers winning 5 titles during a single decade...has this current decade not made up for it on its own without the toxicity?

Well yeah. That team has been blessed with so many great players since it's inception that the Laker bashing during a time of their rebuild is to be expected. Even LeBron wanted to be like Kobe and so he joined the organization thinking it was the answer when all else had failed resulting in him losing 6 times. :oldlol:

[Bosnian Sajo]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]We gonna act like those teams had multiple superstars?

They were deep. Not full of stars.

The spurs weren

[tpols]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]We gonna act like those teams had multiple superstars?

They were deep. Not full of stars.

The spurs weren

[Kblaze8855]

Peja in 04 was along the lines of a superstar but even then he wasn’t what traditionally would be seen as one. Clearly not anyone to compare to the likes of Kobe.

And Drob?

Impact stats are one thing. Basketball is another.

2000s David was not 90s David. He just wasn’t.

[Bosnian Sajo]

David Robinson was still putting up peak impact stats during a few years of that time period... Probably better than Kobe.

He's never mentioned.


In that case, the Lakers only had 1 superstar :oldlol:


Get real.

[eliteballer]

Ray hates Kobe, google their rivalry.

[HoopologyPhD]

2.5 is Ray's rating on Grindr.

[NBAGOAT]

eh lakers had no significant contributors outside shaq/kobe. That's what gives me doubts about that team smashing other all time teams. early 00s isnt a strong team era especially the East(worse than the lebron era) but there are a few deeper teams definitely where if you add up the talent it's comparable. tbf for allen, 01 bucks is not one of them.

[houston]

superstar thing is vastly overrated. All you need to win in the NBA is two all-star quality players.

[SouBeachTalents]

superstar thing is vastly overrated. All you need to win in the NBA is two all-star quality players.
Yeah, if you want to ignore the fact that literally all but maybe 2 of the past 40 championship winning teams featured a superstar

[TheCorporation]

Kawhi never went 1-9 in the first round

https://i.postimg.cc/2jPHTQ5t/OoOoo.gif


Kawhi the only NBA superstar who needed 0 lottery picks (including himself) to get it done. That bald phaggit MJ couldn't even accomplish that feat. Remarkable. GOATwhi :applause:

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[TheCorporation]

Kawhi 2014 - 1 All-Star teammate
LeBron 2016 - 0 All-Star teammate
Kawhi 2019 - 1 All-Star teammate

I can't say I see your point OP

Uh....Oh


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[houston]

Yeah, if you want to ignore the fact that literally all but maybe 2 of the past 40 championship winning teams featured a superstar


People throw around the term to much. And have revisionist history when talking about these players.

[SouBeachTalents]

People throw around the term to much. And have revisionist history when talking about these players.
I actually agree people throw the superstar label around too much, but the fact remains that virtually every team that's won a championship since the Magic/Bird era has had a superstar player. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head that didn't were the '04 Pistons & '14 Spurs

[imdaman99]

Gasol is a tier above Kobe though. I guess so is Bibby.
:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

Man, we know how to bring you and statman out. Make a Kobe praising thread :oldlol:

[Mr Feeny]

Ray hates Kobe, google their rivalry.

Yeah....that must be it:oldlol:

[Kidbasketball20]

Uh....Oh


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So LeBron only has 1 ring in total? OK cool.

[houston]

I actually agree people throw the superstar label around too much, but the fact remains that virtually every team that's won a championship since the Magic/Bird era has had a superstar player. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head that didn't were the '04 Pistons & '14 Spurs


That why I just say 2 all-star quality talents and be done with it. Both 04 and 14 team did have all-nba/all-star players on that squad. Both Wallaces were all-stars b4 the title and Parker,Manu,Duncan all had championship experience won together. One thing about this NBA stuff it all balance out at the end.

[j3lademaster]

It's funny how Pau Gasol is considered a superstar literally ONLY during those two seasons....no one EVER mentions the "dominant Memphis Grizzlies with Pau" or the Lakers teams after those two championships.


This place is so toxic when it comes to bashing Lakers. Like I get it, your childhood was ruined with Lakers winning 5 titles during a single decade...has this current decade not made up for it on its own without the toxicity?
How is calling Pau a