MJ had more DEFENSIVE help than Lebron

[StrongLurk]

Pippen was a better defender than anyone Lebron played with and Rodman was a better rebounder than anyone Lebron played with.

We don't even need to get into the details on this one.

[Gileraracer]

LeExcuse

[egokiller]

Teammates tend to take after the leader on their team.

Lebron doesn't play defense and you expect his team to?:lol

[Hey Yo]

Teammates tend to take after the leader on their team.

Lebron doesn't play defense and you expect his team to?:lol
So why didn't any of the other Bulls players quit on their team for 2yrs?

[Mr Feeny]

Lebron had way more offensive help than Jordan.
Let's discuss that.

[TheCorporation]

So why didn't any of the other Bulls players quit on their team for 2yrs?

Shit

:roll: :roll:

[egokiller]

So why didn't any of the other Bulls players quit on their team for 2yrs?

Because they don't always have to follow the actions of their leader. In the case of not playing defense however, they saw lebron's lack of effort and followed what he was doing. :applause:

[TheCorporation]

Because they don't always have to follow the actions of their leader. In the case of not playing defense however, they saw lebron's lack of effort and followed what he was doing. :applause:

Why didn't Pippeen follow the 1-9 lead?

Or was...PIPPEN...The leader :eek:

And MJ...followed...Pippen :eek:

[Gus Hemmingway]

So why didn't any of the other Bulls players quit on their team for 2yrs?
:eek:

[superduper]

https://gfycat.com/honoredabandonedgelada-basketball

/thread

[Akeem34TheDream]

So why didn't any of the other Bulls players quit on their team for 2yrs?
That's an epic response.

[StrongLurk]

So why didn't any of the other Bulls players quit on their team for 2yrs?

K.......O.......

[egokiller]

Imagine thinking that getting bored of a sport and wanting to try something like baseball is the same as quitting. And that's exactly what happened, otherwise MJ wouldn't have went into baseball, he would have just done nothing. :applause:

It wasn't until Hakeem's 2 peat that MJ felt that it was worth coming back to the NBA.

[LAmbruh]

So why didn't any of the other Bulls players quit on their team for 2yrs?
:roll: :roll:

[TheMan]

Oh look, another thread created about MJ by a Bran stan...shook.

GOAT living renta gratis :rockon:

[StrongLurk]

Oh look, another thread created about MJ by a Bran stan...shook.

GOAT living renta gratis :rockon:

MJ was idol as a kid...

Seems like the Bron stans are living rent free in your head...

[egokiller]

Oh look, another thread created about MJ by a Bran stan...shook.

GOAT living renta gratis :rockon:

Why he so mad that he never witnessed GOAT MJ while in HS? :lol

[Nikola_]

Today: lose time on virtual place to somehow bring goat basketball player down because my boy isnt close :rant

[TheMan]

MJ was idol as a kid...

Seems like the Bron stans are living rent free in your head...
This is an open forum, we are supposed to respond.

OTOH, how many MJ threads are there rn created by shook Bransexuals? Seems like the GOAT is firmly residing in your craniums :oldlol:

[egokiller]

This is an open forum, we are supposed to respond.

OTOH, how many MJ threads are there rn created by shook Bransexuals? Seems like the GOAT is firmly residing in your craniums :oldlol:

:roll:

Dey shook

[Wally450]

This is an open forum, we are supposed to respond.

OTOH, how many MJ threads are there rn created by shook Bransexuals? Seems like the GOAT is firmly residing in your craniums :oldlol:

The amount of threads 3ball makes on LeBron or how often he brings him up when the thread isn't even about him shows how shook MJ stans are.

[StrongLurk]

This is an open forum, we are supposed to respond.

OTOH, how many MJ threads are there rn created by shook Bransexuals? Seems like the GOAT is firmly residing in your craniums :oldlol:

What does that have to do with my thread?

Are you not capable of responding with basketball discussion?

[TheMan]

The amount of threads 3ball makes on LeBron or how often he brings him up when the thread isn't even about him shows how shook MJ stans are.
He's just one guy and yeah he's over the top on his anti LeBron stance BUT you Bran Stans on the whole are just one big shook group...just look at how many different Bran fam members are making MJ threads, too many to count :oldlol:

[egokiller]

Today: lose time on virtual place to somehow bring goat basketball player down because my boy isnt close :rant

:roll:

These guys can't go whining to their fathers about how they only got to see a lesser man play the sport because their fathers will just laugh in their face and say "nope, that privilege is reserved for me and not you". It's the reason why they come on here and bitch about it everyday.

[TheMan]

What does that have to do with my thread?

Are you not capable of responding with basketball discussion?
How many times are we going to have the same MJ's teams were more stacked, better defenders, better offensive players, worse competition, LeBron faced epic EC teams on his way to the Finals, GOAT Finals competition etc etc threads?

Here's some advice...let's create original thread subjects instead of the tired "let's throw shade at MJ" agenda to prop up our guy because otherwise he falls way short. :confusedshrug: It's played to death, it's boring and you haven't convinced anyone, it's just a big ol' Branvestite circlejerk time waster, lol

[StrongLurk]

How many times are we going to have the same MJ's teams were more stacked, better defenders, better offensive players, worse competition, LeBron faced epic EC teams on his way to the Finals, GOAT Finals competition etc etc threads?

Here's some advice...let's create original thread subjects instead of the tired "let's throw shade at MJ" agenda to prop up our guy because otherwise he falls way short. :confusedshrug: It's played to death, it's boring and you aren't convincing anyone.

I don't EVER see anyone talk about defense period. People ALWAYS talk about how much more offensive help Lebron has had.

This thread isn't throwing shade at MJ, it's complimenting the Bulls as a team on defense.

[paksat]

Why didn't Pippeen follow the 1-9 lead?

Or was...PIPPEN...The leader :eek:

And MJ...followed...Pippen :eek:

why didn't l3bron's teammates follow his losing mentality, losing style, losing everything... oh wait

[LAmbruh]

damn, MJ stans getting chewed up and spit out



the usual locals drowning in tears :lol

[TheMan]

I don't EVER see anyone talk about defense period. People ALWAYS talk about how much more offensive help Lebron has had.

This thread isn't throwing shade at MJ, it's complimenting the Bulls as a team on defense.
Duh, anyone alive during that time period knew the Bulls weren't an offensive juggernaut. They beat better offensive teams consistently because of their defense, especially the second threepeat team. They won because the played within a system of ball and player movement, elite defense and having the GOAT closer close out games :confusedshrug: 3ball, as much as he is cringey, is 100% right on his assertion that MJ carried the bulk of the offensive load time and again because he wasn't surrounded with elite offensive players, just look at their playoffs points averages for Pippen, Grant, Kukoc, Kerr, Paxson, Armstrong, Longley, Cartwright etc...it's nothing to write home about. They basically provided just enough firepower for MJ to close it out.

This is pretty much well known and has been talked to death already.

[egokiller]

why didn't l3bron's teammates follow his losing mentality, losing style, losing everything... oh wait

Lebron fam getting rekt in this thread yet again. :roll:

[FKAri]

GOAT perimeter defender, Pippen
GOAT rebounder, Rodman
GOAT shooter, Kerr
GOAT coach, Jackson
GOAT sneaker company, Nike
GOAT n-sorry-rigger, Stern

$$$tacked :eek:

[TheCorporation]

GOAT perimeter defender, Pippen
GOAT rebounder, Rodman
GOAT shooter, Kerr
GOAT coach, Jackson
GOAT sneaker company, Nike
GOAT n-sorry-rigger, Stern

$$$tacked :eek:


Annnd

Just :dancin

Like :banana:

That :hammertime:

[Gus Hemmingway]

Annnd

Just :dancin

Like :banana:

That :hammertime:
:roll:

[TheCorporation]

Why didn't Pippeen follow the 1-9 lead?

Or was...PIPPEN...The leader :eek:

And MJ...followed...Pippen :eek:


Ne1?

[SamuraiSWISH]

You can't be upset Jordan plays better and more consistent defense than LeBron, then use it against Jordan in the player comparison? Lol wtf.

Typical loser Three for Six Mafia excuse.

Lets blame the lack of factual success against the person who actually succeeded and say they faced more obstacles.

:oldlol:

Jordan never faced a team as good as the Warriors or Spurs? Wahhh cry. Well, the Blazers, Suns, Sonics, Jazz would be considered the same way too with you if they beat Michael and his Bulls?

You're holding it AGAINST Jordan because he won? Do you know how idiotic that sounds. It's logical fallacy and text book strawman.

LeBron had more defensive help in Miami btw top to bottom ... Chalmers, Wade, Battier, Birdman, Bosh, Haslem, Joel Anthony are all collectively better defenders than Jordan had in '91 - '93. Besides Pippen and Grant.

Mike had too many slow foot gargantuan goofs, like Bill Cartwright, Will Perdue, Stacey King, Scott Williams, Rodney McRae, and on the perimeter besides Pippen and at times BJ ... guys like old Paxson, Bobby Hansen, Craig Hodges, are you kidding me?

But yes the '96-'98 is arguably the best defense of all time.

Randy Brown
Ron Harper
Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
Dennis Rodman

BEASTLY. If only they had a quality GOAT level lengthy stretch four / small five defender who can guard perimeter and paint like: Anthony Davis, or hell even Birdman, Bosh, Tristian Thompson or Haslem.

And he still went 2 for 4.

Next excuse please.

[Gus Hemmingway]

You can't be upset Jordan plays better defense than LeBron, then use it against Jordan in the player comparison? Lol wtf.

Typical loser Three for Six Mafia excuse. Lets blame the lack of factual success against the person who actually succeeded.

Jordan never faced a team as good as the Warriors or Spurs? Wahhh cry. Well, the Blazers, Suns, Sonics, Jazz would be considered the same way to you if they beat Michael?

You're holding it AGAINST Jordan because he won? Do you know how idiotic that sounds. It's logical fallacy and text book strawman.

LeBron had more defensive help in Miami btw top to bottom ... Chalmers, Wade, Battier, Birdman, Bosh, Haslem, Joel Anthony are all collectively better defenders than Jordan had in '91 - '93. Besides Pippen and Grant.

Mike had too many slow foot gargantuan goofs, like Bill Cartwright, Will Perdue, Stacey King, Scott Williams, Rodney McRae, and on the perimeter besides Pippen and at times BJ ... guys like old Paxson, Bobby Hansen, Craig Hodges, are you kidding me?

But yes the '96-'98 is arguably the best defense of all time.

Randy Brown
Ron Harper
Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
Dennis Rodman

BEASTLY. If only they had a quality GOAT level lengthy stretch four / small five defender who can guard perimeter and paint like: Anthony Davis, or hell even Birdman, Bosh, Tristian Thompson or Haslem.

And he still went 2 for 4.

Next excuse please.

Why did LeBron lose Finals averaging 34/12/10, 35/10/8, and 36/13/9?


Why did MJ win with 27/6/4 on 41%?

[StrongLurk]

You can't be upset Jordan plays better and more consistent defense than LeBron, then use it against Jordan in the player comparison? Lol wtf.

Typical loser Three for Six Mafia excuse.

Lets blame the lack of factual success against the person who actually succeeded and say they faced more obstacles.

:oldlol:

Jordan never faced a team as good as the Warriors or Spurs? Wahhh cry. Well, the Blazers, Suns, Sonics, Jazz would be considered the same way too with you if they beat Michael and his Bulls?

You're holding it AGAINST Jordan because he won? Do you know how idiotic that sounds. It's logical fallacy and text book strawman.

LeBron had more defensive help in Miami btw top to bottom ... Chalmers, Wade, Battier, Birdman, Bosh, Haslem, Joel Anthony are all collectively better defenders than Jordan had in '91 - '93. Besides Pippen and Grant.

Mike had too many slow foot gargantuan goofs, like Bill Cartwright, Will Perdue, Stacey King, Scott Williams, Rodney McRae, and on the perimeter besides Pippen and at times BJ ... guys like old Paxson, Bobby Hansen, Craig Hodges, are you kidding me?

But yes the '96-'98 is arguably the best defense of all time.

Randy Brown
Ron Harper
Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
Dennis Rodman

BEASTLY. If only they had a quality GOAT level lengthy stretch four / small five defender who can guard perimeter and paint like: Anthony Davis, or hell even Birdman, Bosh, Tristian Thompson or Haslem.

And he still went 2 for 4.

Next excuse please.

Meltdown :biggums:

[tpols]

If were comparing Jordan and LeBron intangibles matter...

High intensity two way effort (mike) or Mr. load management?

who you got?

[Hey Yo]

If were comparing Jordan and LeBron intangibles matter...

High intensity two way effort (mike) or Mr. load management?

who you got?
You spelled Kawhi wrong.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Meltdown :biggums:
I respond to one of your many stupid and redundant posts, with quality basketball reasoning and facts. In a basketball discussion forum. And that equates to meltdown?

:oldlol:

I think you have ownage confused for meltdown, son.

If anyone is melting, it's you. The very concept of the thread is a meltdown.

Jordan has been retired since 2003, not really relevant in a meaningful way since 1998 and because you know LeBron fell well short of the bar, here comes the meltdown and excuse making per your typical Three for Six Mafia members.

Let it go. The ship sailed. Bron doesn't compare. Clearly, the GOAT, MJ is still the bar by which everyone is measured. Past, present, and now future (Zion)

Next.

[StrongLurk]

I respond to one of your many stupid and redundant posts, with quality basketball reasoning and facts. In a basketball discussion forum. And that equates to meltdown?

:oldlol:

I think you have ownage confused for meltdown, son.

If anyone is melting, it's you. The very concept of the thread is a meltdown.

Jordan has been retired since 2003, not really relevant in a meaningful way since 1998 and because you know LeBron fell well short of the bar, here comes the meltdown and excuse making per your typical Three for Six Mafia members.

Let it go. The ship sailed. Bron doesn't compare. Clearly, the GOAT, MJ is still the bar by which everyone is measured. Past, present, and now future (Zion)

Next.

I have MJ as GOAT, which is why he is still discussed :wtf:

[SamuraiSWISH]

I have MJ as GOAT, which is why he is still discussed :wtf:
Then the whiny complaining nature of your thread makes no sense.

It

[Gus Hemmingway]

Why did LeBron lose Finals averaging 34/12/10, 35/10/8, and 36/13/9?


Why did MJ win with 27/6/4 on 41%?


Coach, answer this

[Manny98]

LeBrons all NBA teammates

11 Wade (2nd)
12 Wade (3rd)
13 Wade (3rd)
15 Kyrie (3rd)

Jordans all NBA teammates

92 Pippen (2nd)
93 Pippen (3rd)
95 Pippen (1st)
96 Pippen (1st)
97 Pippen (2nd)
98 Pippen (3rd)

LeBrons all Defense teammates

10 Anderson Varejao (2nd) :roll:

Jordans all Defense teammates

92 Pippen (2nd)
93 Pippen (1st)
93 Grant (2nd)
95 Pippen (1st)
96 Pippen (1st)
96 Rodman (1st)
97 Pippen (1st)
98 Pippen (1st)

MJ clearly had more help than LeBron especially on the defensive end. LeBron never had the luxury of multiple all NBA level defenders his entire career like MJ did

[FKAri]

You can't be upset Jordan plays better and more consistent defense than LeBron, then use it against Jordan in the player comparison? Lol wtf.

Typical loser Three for Six Mafia excuse.

Lets blame the lack of factual success against the person who actually succeeded and say they faced more obstacles.

:oldlol:

Jordan never faced a team as good as the Warriors or Spurs? Wahhh cry. Well, the Blazers, Suns, Sonics, Jazz would be considered the same way too with you if they beat Michael and his Bulls?

You're holding it AGAINST Jordan because he won? Do you know how idiotic that sounds. It's logical fallacy and text book strawman.

LeBron had more defensive help in Miami btw top to bottom ... Chalmers, Wade, Battier, Birdman, Bosh, Haslem, Joel Anthony are all collectively better defenders than Jordan had in '91 - '93. Besides Pippen and Grant.

Mike had too many slow foot gargantuan goofs, like Bill Cartwright, Will Perdue, Stacey King, Scott Williams, Rodney McRae, and on the perimeter besides Pippen and at times BJ ... guys like old Paxson, Bobby Hansen, Craig Hodges, are you kidding me?

But yes the '96-'98 is arguably the best defense of all time.

Randy Brown
Ron Harper
Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
Dennis Rodman

BEASTLY. If only they had a quality GOAT level lengthy stretch four / small five defender who can guard perimeter and paint like: Anthony Davis, or hell even Birdman, Bosh, Tristian Thompson or Haslem.

And he still went 2 for 4.

Next excuse please.
Yes. If only MJ had 2014 Haslem instead of 96 Rodman

[sdot_thadon]

LeBrons all Defense teammates

10 Anderson Varejao (2nd) :roll:

Jordans all Defense teammates

92 Pippen (2nd)
93 Pippen (1st)
93 Grant (2nd)
95 Pippen (1st)
96 Pippen (1st)
96 Rodman (1st)
97 Pippen (1st)
98 Pippen (1st)

This pretty much confirms the thread.

[TheCorporation]

Why did LeBron lose Finals averaging 34/12/10, 35/10/8, and 36/13/9?


Why did MJ win with 27/6/4 on 41%?

Coach?

[Vino24]

MJ had the defensive help. LeBron WAS the defense. Pippen and Jordan all rolled into one

[TheCorporation]

MJ had the defensive help. LeBron WAS the defense. Pippen and Jordan all rolled into one

+1

Championship runs with DRTg below 101

MJ = 0 for 6 (Not a typo, he never did it)
LBJ = 2 for 3

Game. Over.

[Vino24]

+1

Championship runs with DRTg below 101

MJ = 0 for 6 (Not a typo, he never did it)
LBJ = 2 for 3

Game. Over.
Bang!

[SamuraiSWISH]

Yes. If only MJ had 2014 Haslem instead of 96 Rodman
Did I say that Savannah? Go re read.

[sdot_thadon]

Did I say that Savannah? Go re read.
Crazy how the tables turn, seems like just yesterday I'd come on Ish and see guys refer to you as "Juanita" :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

Did I say that Savannah? Go re read.

Coach Juanita :lol

[72-10]

+1

Championship runs with DRTg below 101

MJ = 0 for 6 (Not a typo, he never did it)
LBJ = 2 for 3

Game. Over.

You'd have to be pretty retarded to think defensive rating measures defense. We don't know how to quantify defensive impact, but playing the game helps.

[bullettooth]

Teammates tend to take after the leader on their team.

Lebron doesn't play defense and you expect his team to?:lol


https://i.postimg.cc/k5XJ92Lg/jabroni-lames-defense.gif

https://i.giphy.com/media/5w2fFuVr3v3E28Pggu/source.gif

[72-10]

Michael didn't have a lot of defensive help until the second threepeat, essentially all he had was Pippen, who didn't even make a defensive team until 92. Horace Grant was a milkman, if you think he played more impactful defense than someone like Anthony Mason you're retarded.

[sdot_thadon]

Michael didn't have a lot of defensive help until the second threepeat, essentially all he had was Pippen, who didn't even make a defensive team until 92. Horace Grant was a milkman, if you think he played more impactful defense than someone like Anthony Mason you're retarded.
The 1st 3peat alone is still more defensive help than Lebrons whole career accolades wise.

92 Pippen (2nd)
93 Pippen (1st)
93 Grant (2nd)

vs.

10 Anderson Varejao (2nd)

[72-10]

The 1st 3peat alone is still more defensive help than Lebrons whole career accolades wise.

92 Pippen (2nd)
93 Pippen (1st)
93 Grant (2nd)

vs.

10 Anderson Varejao (2nd)

who gives a fukk, though, ya know?

I fail to see the relevance, dude

I'm sick of the MJ-LeBron discussion

LeBron's not anywhere close to MJ and never was

[sdot_thadon]

who gives a fukk, though, ya know?

I fail to see the relevance, dude

I'm sick of the MJ-LeBron discussion

LeBron's not anywhere close to MJ and never was
yet, you're posting here. Angrily. Take a deep breath and count to 10.:biggums:

[Wally450]

who gives a fukk, though, ya know?

I fail to see the relevance, dude

I'm sick of the MJ-LeBron discussion

LeBron's not anywhere close to MJ and never was


That just can't be true if there's constant threads comparing the two.

[egokiller]

It

[TheCorporation]

It’s comical when no context is added to “MJ had great defensive help”

1. He molded Pippen. Took what would have been an above ave defender and made him great. (mostly on his own personal time)

2. Took on Rodman who was a headcase at the time that NO TEAM WANTED.
A collaboration of MJ, Pip and Phil kept Rodman in check. It wasn’t just MJ who kept Rodman in check.

Know your facts boys.

Since lebron never did anything close to this with his teammates, the fact that MJ had more defensive help means little since he either molded or went the distance to utilize that help. So what does that leave us with? It leaves us with comparing their offensive help.

Oh wait.

Another one! :applause:

Meltdown


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Recap:

Years playing with an All-Defensive player

LeBron: 1 (not a typo)
Jordan: 8

Case.
closed.
baby.
girl.

[egokiller]

Lebron not capable of molding a teammate into a good defender confirmed.
Lebron not capable of winning chips with head cases. (delonte)

MJ with another win. :banana:

[TheCorporation]

Years playing with an All-Defensive player

LeBron: 1 (not a typo)
Jordan: 8

Anyone?