Raptors says a trip to the white house is a "hard no"

[tpols]

link (https://www.foxnews.com/sports/toronto-raptors-player-says-hard-no-if-team-is-invited-to-white-house-by-donald-trump.amp)


TDS on full display... They wouldve loved to go for Obama.

[egokiller]

The white house has a job to do.

Ain't got no time to meet with a bunch of guys throwing a ball through a hoop. :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

The white house has a job to do.

Ain't got no time to meet with a bunch of guys throwing a ball through a hoop. :lol

and what a job he is doing :rant

[tpols]

The white house has a job to do.

Ain't got no time to meet with a bunch of guys throwing a ball through a hoop. :lol


They won so they have the privelage to kiss the don's ring.

[Hey Yo]

"It isn't clear whether Trump would have sent an invitation in the first place. No NBA team has made an appearance at the White House since the Cleveland Cavaliers back in 2016.

Donald Trump was meeting with the Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Thursday when reporters asked the president whether or not he would extend an invite to the Raptors.

"We thought about that. That's an interesting question," Trump said. "That was a great job by a great team, so we'll think about that. If they'd like to do it, we'll think about that."


OP ruined

[Vino24]

Raptors were not invited. Eat shit op :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Mr Feeny]

Raptors were not invited. Eat shit op :roll: :roll: :roll:

Raptors declined before they were invited. Because they weren't interested. Just like Golden State before them.

[Hey Yo]

Raptors declined before they were invited. Because they weren't interested. Just like Golden State before them.
confirmed you didn't read the article.

[Mr Feeny]

confirmed you didn't read the article.

You're scrambling.

[Vino24]

Raptors declined before they were invited. Because they weren't interested. Just like Golden State before them.
How can they decline an invitation that wasn't offered to them? dumbass

[paksat]

if there was a black man in office it would be a "hard yes"

tired of this closet racism in this country, it's gotten so bitterly bad in this country pretty much since obama got in office and started baiting everyone and everything

[Mr Feeny]

How can they decline an invitation that wasn't offered to them? dumbass

Are you serious? Do you really not understand how you can preemptively decline and invitation?
I guess Republicans really are dumb.

[egokiller]

Raptors declined before they were invited. Because they weren't interested. Just like Golden State before them.

They can't decline an invitation that was never given. Doing so assumes that an invitation was going to be offered in the first place, which it wasn't.

[Mr Feeny]

if there was a black man in office it would be a "hard yes"

tired of this closet racism in this country, it's gotten so bitterly bad in this country pretty much since obama got in office and started baiting everyone and everything

Closet racism. Because the majority of the people on the planet dont want to be associated with, or visit, a bona fide idiot?

[Detroit]

Now imagine a white player saying no if Obama was in office :oldlol:

They would've labelled him a racist bigot and threw the book at him.

[Hey Yo]

You're scrambling.
Says the guy who didn't read the article, cause in it..... no where does it say "the Raptors say no to White House visit."

Take the L, Chico like last time and move on.

[Mr Feeny]

They can't decline an invitation that was never given.

Not going to explain something really basic. There's a tradition to invite title winning teams. Trump was reticent because he was afraid of being publically rejected. As he was by the Warriors. While he does that, a Canadian team says they have no interest in going.

That's a pre-emptive decline.

[Ghost1]

https://media.giphy.com/media/bUnp4cwrZ2UA8/giphy.gif

[Mr Feeny]

Says the guy who didn't read the article, cause in it..... no where does it say "the Raptors say no to White House visit."

Take the L, Chico like last time and move on.

Whatever makes you feel better. Melting down over the prospect of more people declining meeting an imbecile of a president is just weird.

[DukeDelonte13]

There would have to be a lot of Tim Horton's, A&W, Ketchup Chips, and KD instead of the usual big macs and mcchickens.

[egokiller]

Not going to explain something really basic. There's a tradition to invite title winning teams. Trump was reticent because he was afraid of being publically rejected. As he was by the Warriors. While he does that, a Canadian team says they have no interest in going.

That's a pre-emptive decline.

Not when the tradition ceased after 2016. That's the last time a team went to the white house. While pre-emptive declines exist, it's a bush league move because you open yourself up for embarrassment.

It's like that asshole that calls up and says "ya, I'm not going to make your party" knowing damn well that he wasn't going to be invited in the first place. This situation with Green and the raps is no different.

[Kblaze8855]

if there was a black man in office it would be a "hard yes"

tired of this closet racism in this country, it's gotten so bitterly bad in this country pretty much since obama got in office and started baiting everyone and everything

It has nothing to do with him being white. It has to do with it being Donald Trump.

[Mr Feeny]

Not when the tradition ceased after 2016. That's the last time a team went to the white house. While pre-emptive declines exist, it's a bush league move because you open yourself up for embarrassment.

It's like that asshole that calls up and says "ya, I'm not going to make your party" knowing damn well that he wasn't going to be invited in the first place. This situation with the raps is no different.

Why do you think it "ceased"? Because everyone was going to decline. Because the incumbent president is an imbecile whom nobody respects.

"Bush league"." Asshole" . Sounds like venting from a guy who cant accept that most people think Trump is a brainless idiot.

[Xiao Yao You]

Why do you think it "ceased"? Because everyone was going to decline. Because the incumbent president is an imbecile whom nobody respects.

"Bush league"." Asshole" . Sounds like venting from a guy who cant accept that most people think Trump is a brainless idiot.

Not sure why you are arguing with him about it. Anyone that supports Trump is stupid and/or racist.

[Kblaze8855]

Not when the tradition ceased after 2016. That's the last time a team went to the white house. While pre-emptive declines exist, it's a bush league move because you open yourself up for embarrassment.

It's like that asshole that calls up and says "ya, I'm not going to make your party" knowing damn well that he wasn't going to be invited in the first place. This situation with Green and the raps is no different.

The tradition didn

[Mr Feeny]

Not sure why you are arguing with him about it. Anyone that supports Trump is stupid and/or racist.

The irony is that several of these have attempted to portray ths Raptor players as racist. You cant make this stuff up.

Black men who dont want to visit a bona fide racist are now being attacked.

[Xiao Yao You]

The irony is that several of these have attempted to portray ths Raptor players as racist. You cant make this stuff up.

Black men who dont want to visit a bona fide racist are now being attacked.

rich black men that don't support republicans!

[egokiller]

It has nothing to do with him being white. It has to do with it being Donald Trump.

All of this is smoke and mirrors.

Winning a ring for throwing a ball through a hoop along with winning the world series or the super bowl are acceptable criteria for getting an invitation to meet the president of the US, but someone who saves a life that makes national news isn't worthy of an invite. Apparently winning in sports is more important than a life/lives being saved.:oldlol:

[Overdrive]

Shouldn't they go to Trudeau?

[Vino24]

Not sure why you are arguing with him about it. Anyone that supports Trump is stupid and/or racist.
says the guy from one of the most racist states in the country :oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

says the guy from one of the most racist states in the country :oldlol:

Coming from someone that has never been here. I'd say people here are ignorant more than they are racist.

[FKAri]

A hard no's never stopped the Donald. In fact, a no only makes him harder.

[Kblaze8855]

You spent years and thousands of posts talking almost exclusively about one person who throws a ball in a hoop. I dont see you talking about the people who save lives. Apparently there is more interest in the former.

Besides If the president tried to meet everyone who saved a life he wouldn

[LAmbruh]

:oldlol: :roll:

[stalkerforlife]

F ucking idiots.

Bigots.

Racists.

[bigkingsfan]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]You spent years and thousands of posts talking almost exclusively about one person who throws a ball in a hoop. I dont see you talking about the people who save lives. Apparently there is more interest in the former.

Besides If the president tried to meet everyone who saved a life he wouldn

[superduper]

Now imagine a white player saying no if Obama was in office :oldlol:

They would've labelled him a racist bigot and threw the book at him.

Yeah honestly I have nothing against black people and in fact am very close with a few but these double standards are so damn blatant. You are absolutely correct, there would be a SHITSTORM if this was the other way around when Obama was in office.

I don't support Trump or anything like that I'm speaking entirely from a racial standpoint. Black people can straight up be blatantly and publicly racist and it is always brushed off. Weird thing for our society to accept.

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]You spent years and thousands of posts talking almost exclusively about one person who throws a ball in a hoop. I dont see you talking about the people who save lives. Apparently there is more interest in the former.

Besides If the president tried to meet everyone who saved a life he wouldn

[LAmbruh]

You spent years and thousands of posts talking almost exclusively about one person who throws a ball in a hoop. I dont see you talking about the people who save lives. Apparently there is more interest in the former.

Besides If the president tried to meet everyone who saved a life he wouldn’t have time to do anything else. What’s a sports meeting? A photoshoot between real meetings?

I SEY DAYUM :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Vino24]

Coming from someone that has never been here. I'd say people here are ignorant more than they are racist.
I

[Kblaze8855]

Imagine talking more about basketball on a basketball website than talking about lives being saved on a basketball website. :lol

Shitty example kblaze... you can do better.


So....are you posting tens of thousands of times on first responder sites about them?

If not.....it seems you have other greater interests.

Which is fine....but you can hardly judge the rest of society for it.

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=Vino24]I

[Kblaze8855]

Yeah honestly I have nothing against black people and in fact am very close with a few but these double standards are so damn blatant. You are absolutely correct, there would be a SHITSTORM if this was the other way around when Obama was in office.

I don't support Trump or anything like that I'm speaking entirely from a racial standpoint. Black people can straight up be blatantly and publicly racist and it is always brushed off. Weird thing for our society to accept.



Tom Brady didn

[stalkerforlife]

You ain't black wheels. We've already seen a pic of you in your green polo.

:roll:

[TheMan]

Says the guy who didn't read the article, cause in it..... no where does it say "the Raptors say no to White House visit."

Take the L, Chico like last time and move on.
This dude is a Trumptard yet his mancrush LeBron absolutely shits on Trump every chance he gets :lol James no doubt would consider you garbage for supporting Trump, lol

[Xiao Yao You]

[QUOTE=Vino24]I

[superduper]

This dude is a Trumptard yet his mancrush LeBron absolutely shits on Trump every chance he gets :lol James no doubt would consider you garbage for supporting Trump, lol

But he supports Bran's $tats and we all know Bran has zero integrity so he might let it slide.

$tats never lose.

[egokiller]

So....are you posting tens of thousands of times on first responder sites about them?

If not.....it seems you have other greater interests.

Which is fine....but you can hardly judge the rest of society for it.

Again, your whole example is flawed. It doesn't matter what my personal interests are relative to the fact that putting a ball through the hoop means more to the white house than say what this guy did here:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-police-officer-saves-babys-life-in-dramatic-bodycamera-video

Keep reaching though.

[bullettooth]

and what a job he is doing :rant

ZING! :lol

[TheMan]

So....are you posting tens of thousands of times on first responder sites about them?

If not.....it seems you have other greater interests.

Which is fine....but you can hardly judge the rest of society for it.
Lol

Ego, give it up bro, you're ded :lol

[egokiller]

This dude is a Trumptard yet his mancrush LeBron absolutely shits on Trump every chance he gets :lol James no doubt would consider you garbage for supporting Trump, lol

For the first time in his life, hey yo is realizing this conflict of interest. I'm picturing an epic IRL meltdown occurring at this very moment.

[egokiller]

Lol

Ego, give it up bro, you're ded :lol

How so?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13758243&postcount=48

[RRR3]

This dude is a Trumptard yet his mancrush LeBron absolutely shits on Trump every chance he gets :lol James no doubt would consider you garbage for supporting Trump, lol
:oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

On the 22nd of September 2017 Steph, KD, and Freen said they declined the invite and wouldn

[RealSkipBayless]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]You spent years and thousands of posts talking almost exclusively about one person who throws a ball in a hoop. I dont see you talking about the people who save lives. Apparently there is more interest in the former.

Besides If the president tried to meet everyone who saved a life he wouldn

[TheMan]

How so?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13758243&postcount=48
You kinda took a dump on all of us when you said we spend way too much time talking about dude who chase a ball around instead of focusing on people who save lives...and the White House too. Yet you're also very guilty of focusing on said dudes who chase ball around :lol

[Kblaze8855]

Again, your whole example is flawed. It doesn't matter what my personal interests are relative to the fact that putting a ball through the hoop means more to the white house than say what this guy did here:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-police-officer-saves-babys-life-in-dramatic-bodycamera-video

Keep reaching though.


You’re acting like the people who use Amazon then complain about Jeff bezos being so rich.

If you care more about discussing LeBron James than people who save lives you shouldn’t be surprised the nation at large and it’s representatives would give athletes more time than millions of nameless faceless EMTs and firefighters.

Politicians look at numbers. The Super Bowl gets more eyes on it than footage of Coops saving people. That’s the world. You help make it that way.

Don’t act annoyed by it now.

[stalkerforlife]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]On the 22nd of September 2017 Steph, KD, and Freen said they declined the invite and wouldn

[egokiller]

You kinda took a dump on all of us when you said we spend way too much time talking about dude who chase a ball around instead of focusing on people who save lives...and the White House too. Yet you're also very guilty of focusing on said dudes who chase ball around :lol

No, I said that winning a ring for throwing a ball through a hoop along with winning the world series or the super bowl are acceptable criteria for getting an invitation to meet the president of the US, but someone who saves a life that makes national news isn't worthy of an invite. Apparently winning in sports is more important than a life/lives being saved.

Kblaze tried to more or less say that I'm not in position to criticize what the white house is using for criteria since I talk more about basketball on this site than saving lives. If anything he's even more out of position since he talks about basketball on here way more than I do. His lack of not complaining about the criteria to meet the president has no bearing on this fact.

It's a shitty example because what I post on this site has nothing to do with how laughable it is on what the government uses for criteria for meeting the president. Kblaze tried to reach for a cookie before dinner and got his hand slapped before it ever got near the jar. :roll:

[bobopenguin]

dunno why u guys dislike trump so much.
His hardball on tariff war against china made him the manliest president ever.

[Kblaze8855]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Spurs_White_House.jpg



George bush was quite white.

Everyone seems quite pleased.

[stalkerforlife]

dunno why u guys dislike trump so much.
His hardball on tariff war against china made him the manliest president ever.

Because he's white and doesn't pander to them like they're infants.

Therefore, he's racist.

But in reality, they're the racist bigots.

[stalkerforlife]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Spurs_White_House.jpg



George bush was quite white.

Everyone seems quite pleased.

Because Bush wasn't the straight shooter Trump is.

He was a fun idiot.

Trump is straight business and doesn't pander to blacks like they're infants and he supports white people openly.

[Kblaze8855]

No, I said that winning a ring for throwing a ball through a hoop along with winning the world series or the super bowl are acceptable criteria for getting an invitation to meet the president of the US, but someone who saves a life that makes national news isn't worthy of an invite. Apparently winning in sports is more important than a life/lives being saved.

Kblaze tried to more or less say that I'm not in position to criticize what the white house is using for criteria since I talk more about basketball on this site than saving lives. If anything he's even more out of position since he talks about basketball on here way more than I do. His lack of not complaining about the criteria to meet the president has no bearing on this fact.

It's a shitty example because what I post on this site has nothing to do with how laughable it is on what the government uses for criteria for meeting the president. Kblaze tried to reach for a cookie before dinner and got his hand slapped before it ever got near the jar. :roll:


The government represents the people. You. You....don

[TheMan]

dunno why u guys dislike trump so much.
His hardball on tariff war against china made him the manliest president ever.
It also has made the US move more towards socialism by the US government subsidizing farmers who are being rekt by said Chinese tariffs :applause:

GOAT POTUS, sneakingly moving us towards communism :bowdown:

[Kblaze8855]

Because Bush wasn't the straight shooter Trump is.

He was a fun idiot.

Trump is straight business and doesn't pander to blacks like they're infants and he supports white people openly.


So now it isn

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]The government represents the people. You. You....don

[Kblaze8855]

I would be if I were the one criticizing society and its representatives for paying more attention to the things I also pay more attention to but I

[RRR3]

Because he's white and doesn't pander to them like they're infants.

Therefore, he's racist.

But in reality, they're the racist bigots.
You voted for Hillary.

[tpols]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Spurs_White_House.jpg



George bush was quite white.

Everyone seems quite pleased.


That whole team was white. Even Duncan.

The irony is bush was waaaay worse than trump... His and his dads bullshit wars plummeted this country.

Trump says mean things.

Looks like y'all got your priorities straight.

[egokiller]

I would be if I were the one criticizing society and its representatives for paying more attention to the things I also pay more attention to but I’m not. That’s you.

I'm not criticizing society, I'm criticizing whomever decided that winning at baseball, basketball, and football is good criteria for meeting the president over than say someone who does something heroic. That decision was made long ago. Unless this decision was voted on and brought to the attention of the voters, then your whole example just got shot to shit. You're trying to reach with the whole "don't point fingers if you are doing the same" and it's not working because it doesn't apply in this context. :applause:

[RealSkipBayless]

Egokiller: They are playing a sport.. throwing a ball into a hoop. Why does this need to be recognized by the White House? There are people actually making a difference out there.

Kblaze: WeLl YoU SeEm To CaRe AbOuT hOoPs!

[paksat]

Closet racism. Because the majority of the people on the planet dont want to be associated with, or visit, a bona fide idiot?

that bona fide idiot is a billionaire

what are you in comparison?

[paksat]

It has nothing to do with him being white. It has to do with it being Donald Trump.


if trump was black, would they have a problem?

I think not

[egokiller]

Egokiller: They are playing a sport.. throwing a ball into a hoop. Why does this need to be recognized by the White House? There are people actually making a difference out there.

Kblaze: WeLl YoU SeEm To CaRe AbOuT hOoPs!

:roll:

I'm not saying that it doesn't need to be recognized. The tradition has been going on since Aug. 30, 1865 when Andrew Johnson welcomed the Brooklyn Atlantics and Washington Nationals. What I'm saying is that since it's still being recognized, maybe another look needs to be taken at the criteria used to determine what considers a trip to the white house.

Watching Kblaze try to pull the whole "don't point fingers if you are doing the same" stunt was pretty funny though.

[Kblaze8855]

Egokiller: They are playing a sport.. throwing a ball into a hoop. Why does this need to be recognized by the White House? There are people actually making a difference out there.

Kblaze: WeLl YoU SeEm To CaRe AbOuT hOoPs!


Sorry. I don

[Kblaze8855]

if trump was black, would they have a problem?

I think not


If Trump were black he wouldn

[Kblaze8855]

I'm not criticizing society, I'm criticizing whomever decided that winning at baseball, basketball, and football is good criteria for meeting the president over than say someone who does something heroic. That decision was made long ago. Unless this decision was voted on and brought to the attention of the voters, then your whole example just got shot to shit. You're trying to reach with the whole "don't point fingers if you are doing the same" and it's not working because it doesn't apply in this context. :applause:


Are you telling me that unless an item is brought to a nationwide vote there’s no way to tell if people care or not?

Think about this for a moment.....

What issue could even get the majority to vote in the first place?


You can be president with 63 million votes in a country of 300+ million with 70 million voting for someone else. There is no vote that really tells you what people think.

Apathy wins every election. It would win on the subject of first responders too.

Not caring is what Americans do. It’s why we allow our representatives to not care. We talk shit then do nothing....because we don’t care.

[Phoenix]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]If Trump were black he wouldn

[paksat]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]If Trump were black he wouldn

[The Iron Fist]

if there was a black man in office it would be a "hard yes"

tired of this closet racism in this country, it's gotten so bitterly bad in this country pretty much since obama got in office and started baiting everyone and everything
Some white people just could not stand that a non white was the leader if the country. Not really sure why that bothers people. But then again I

[SouBeachTalents]

If you really think not wanting to see Trump has anything to do with the color of his skin, you're a fcking idiot.

Strange how athletes seemed to have no issue with visiting Reagan, Clinton, Bush etc.

[DaHeezy]

Funny thing is Trump didn't invite them

Which is just going to cause more drama for the media to bitch about.
:What, not invite the NBA Champs? **** the president!!"

Jeebus people are so flighty

[Levity]

cant be mad at them. probably not interested in grubbing out on mcdonals and burger king all night.

[TheMan]

Funny thing is Trump didn't invite them

Which is just going to cause more drama for the media to bitch about.
:What, not invite the NBA Champs? **** the president!!"

Jeebus people are so flighty
He didn't invite them because he already knew they weren't going...

Trump also broke with the long standing tradition of POTUS throwing out the first pitch at the start of every MLB season because he knew he would get booed like hell :oldlol:

He is just not a popular president outside his 35% base.

[red1]

hard pass on trump. we're already spending enough time with one clown in trudeau no need to visit that textbook 'murrican fastfood eating fat **** delusional manbaby.

[baudkarma]

They can't decline an invitation that was never given. Doing so assumes that an invitation was going to be offered in the first place, which it wasn't.

Sure they can. Same as the Warriors in 2017. They let it be known that that wouldn't visit the White House if invited, and then Trump said "Well, you're not invited anyway!". Which would have sounded stronger if he had made his statement up front before the Warriors took their stance, but as it is, Trump comes off sounding like a pissy adolescent.

If trump wants to get in front of this thing, he needs to be decisive. Don't wait for the next championship team to declare "We're not interested in going to the White House!" before you say "I wasn't going to invite you anyway!" That just sounds weak.

[egokiller]

Sure they can. Same as the Warriors in 2017. They let it be known that that wouldn't visit the White House if invited, and then Trump said "Well, you're not invited anyway!". Which would have sounded stronger if he had made his statement up front before the Warriors took their stance, but as it is, Trump comes off sounding like a pissy adolescent.

If trump wants to get in front of this thing, he needs to be decisive. Don't wait for the next championship team to declare "We're not interested in going to the White House!" before you say "I wasn't going to invite you anyway!" That just sounds weak.

Naw, trying to be premature and assume that you were being invited in the first place just comes off as being desperate and as beta as one can be.

[34-24 Footwork]

It's amazing that you actually have to spell this out.

This :lol :lol

[34-24 Footwork]

We don't even have to go into policy.

Imagine Obama getting elected despite:

1) Not being able to speak proper English nor spell correctly.

2) His THIRD Wife Being a Former Escort from a Former Soviet Union Country who can't speak a lick of English

[tpols]

If you really think not wanting to see Trump has anything to do with the color of his skin, you're a fcking idiot.

Strange how athletes seemed to have no issue with visiting Reagan, Clinton, Bush etc.


That just shows how dumb they are...

ALL of those guys were way worse than trump. Clinton put in the rules that has many of their family members incarcerated for decades for simple drug possession. Even life sentences.

They are seriously retarded.

[Dr Seuss]

That just shows how dumb they are...

ALL of those guys were way worse than trump. Clinton put in the rules that has many of their family members incarcerated for decades for simple drug possession. Even life sentences.

They are seriously retarded.

oh i had no idea! which guys on the raptors have family members who have been incarcerated for decades because of possession? theres obviously many of them!

[coin24]

Pretty tired of the media leftist bulshit. Bunch of soyboy crybaby's just like Hollywood who are cucking themselves out of existence.

The non stop whining about trump. Seems to be doing a fine job. Wtf did Obama do that was so legendary to these fools:facepalm

[paksat]

We don't even have to go into policy.

Imagine Obama getting elected despite:

1) Not being able to speak proper English nor spell correctly.

2) His THIRD Wife Being a Former Escort from a Former Soviet Union Country who can't speak a lick of English

man his wife must be in on it too huh, those damn russians!

can't believe half this country is stupid enough to think that trump needed help from a country on the other side of the planet to win an election

let's launch another investigation since ya'll love getting triggered about the smallest things, fck it

[paksat]

Pretty tired of the media leftist bulshit. Bunch of soyboy crybaby's just like Hollywood who are cucking themselves out of existence.

The non stop whining about trump. Seems to be doing a fine job. Wtf did Obama do that was so legendary to these fools:facepalm

he was black

nothing else matters

just like women voting for hillary because she's a woman

priorities not even twice

[34-24 Footwork]

Lol.

Should we break it to Trump supporters that he supported his LONG TIME friend Hilary Clinton back in the 2007 primaries against Obama?

[34-24 Footwork]

The Librewl Media made him feed aspiring athletes McDonald's for a celebration dinner at the White House.

[paksat]

Lol.

Should we break it to Trump supporters that he supported his LONG TIME friend Hilary Clinton back in the 2007 primaries against Obama?

i'm sure he threw her millions :roll:

without looking I believed he tossed her 20k, which is nothing.

calculated if you ask me, but you guys on the left are all brainwashed watching that soap opera that is CNN so by all means keep hating the big bad orange man

[meat]

Yea I can see a bunch of millionaire NBA players being totally ignorant and just following the herd/media BS. "Trump's racist!" Really? Show me an example. Just regurgitating shit they hear elsewhere. I guess they're really pissed about record low black unemployment?

[PistonsFan#21]

Now imagine a white player saying no if Obama was in office :oldlol:

They would've labelled him a racist bigot and threw the book at him.

Kinda like when Tom Brady declined the invitation to the white house when Obama was in the office but went all 3 times when George Bush was running the country? Yea i remember all the backlash he got....oh wait

:hammerhead:

[90sgoat]

The Raptors are not satisfied with Trump not getting work done on the wall.

Kawhi was overheard saying "we need that border ha ha ha"

Marc Gasol was too drunk for comment, but made gestures that made Adam Silver feel uncomfortable.

[bladefd]

if there was a black man in office it would be a "hard yes"

tired of this closet racism in this country, it's gotten so bitterly bad in this country pretty much since obama got in office and started baiting everyone and everything

They showed up to the White House for Bush :confusedshrug:

[scuzzy]

LOL @ the international obsession of American politics from ISH's 2nd world crew



80% posters ITT non US citizens :oldlol:



enjoy your unofficial participation vote next Nov

[tpols]

LOL @ the international obsession of American politics from ISH's 2nd world crew



80% posters ITT non US citizens :oldlol:



enjoy your unofficial participation vote next Nov


:oldlol:


maybe i'll let them "sway" my vote, just so they feel like they had a part in it. lol

i will vote for bernie, but not sleepy joe or any of these other cartoon chaacters. in that case it will be the don.

[HylianNightmare]

Who would actually want to meet trump

[Hotlantadude81]

We don't even have to go into policy.

Imagine Obama getting elected despite:

1) Not being able to speak proper English nor spell correctly.

2) His THIRD Wife Being a Former Escort from a Former Soviet Union Country who can't speak a lick of English

Well, Obama

[Hotlantadude81]

They can go or don’t go.

Personally, I don’t give a damn about any of these players beyond if they help the team win. For instance, I don’t give a shit if Durant and Thompson ever play again. Maybe they never recover. They don’t benefit my team, so **** them and their SJW pandering. Same for that weasel Steve Kerr.

But, a President shouldn’t be worried about meeting a bunch of empty headed beta male athletes anyway.

[paksat]

Who would actually want to meet trump

ya'll make me sad

finally a non politician ( whom are 90% lawyers in the first place, let that sink in ) gets in office that has a set of balls, and all you hear from the other side is what an asshole he is.

my boss is an asshole

your boss is probably an asshole

hell my dad's an asshole

but I bet you people get over it, and still have a laugh with them. But trump? oh no fck that guy, he's got an edgy twitter finger. It's a flat out vile hatred, to the point where people on the left will show up to his rallies and start hurting the people there because of big ballsy orange guy. The left preaches tolerance, and THIS is what you call tolerant?

you don't even give the guy a chance, and you never had any intention to do so. He says mean things on twitter, he's an asshole, he's not afraid to get in your head... blah blah blah soft as a marshmellow

[Leviathon1121]

ya'll make me sad

finally a non politician ( whom are 90% lawyers in the first place, let that sink in ) gets in office that has a set of balls, and all you hear from the other side is what an asshole he is.

my boss is an asshole

your boss is probably an asshole

hell my dad's an asshole

but I bet you people get over it, and still have a laugh with them. But trump? oh no fck that guy, he's got an edgy twitter finger. It's a flat out vile hatred, to the point where people on the left will show up to his rallies and start hurting the people there because of big ballsy orange guy. The left preaches tolerance, and THIS is what you call tolerant?

you don't even give the guy a chance, and you never had any intention to do so. He says mean things on twitter, he's an asshole, he's not afraid to get in your head... blah blah blah soft as a marshmellow
Riiiiggghhtttt...because your side was so tolerant of Obama...:roll:

[Bronbron23]

if there was a black man in office it would be a "hard yes"

tired of this closet racism in this country, it's gotten so bitterly bad in this country pretty much since obama got in office and started baiting everyone and everything
Has nothing to do with race trump is a piece of shit. Not because he's white because of his character. Why in the hell would anybody want to go and shake his hand? Part of going to the Whitehouse is the honor of meeting the president. Trump has no honor. He's an absolute joke and so is anyone who supports him.

[The Iron Fist]

ya'll make me sad

finally a non politician ( whom are 90% lawyers in the first place, let that sink in ) gets in office that has a set of balls, and all you hear from the other side is what an asshole he is.

my boss is an asshole

your boss is probably an asshole

hell my dad's an asshole

but I bet you people get over it, and still have a laugh with them. But trump? oh no fck that guy, he's got an edgy twitter finger. It's a flat out vile hatred, to the point where people on the left will show up to his rallies and start hurting the people there because of big ballsy orange guy. The left preaches tolerance, and THIS is what you call tolerant?

you don't even give the guy a chance, and you never had any intention to do so. He says mean things on twitter, he's an asshole, he's not afraid to get in your head... blah blah blah soft as a marshmellow
You are getting all bent out of shape. You have no room to be calling anyone soft as a marshmellow right now.

[Mr Feeny]

ya'll make me sad

finally a non politician ( whom are 90% lawyers in the first place, let that sink in ) gets in office that has a set of balls, and all you hear from the other side is what an asshole he is.

my boss is an asshole

your boss is probably an asshole

hell my dad's an asshole

but I bet you people get over it, and still have a laugh with them. But trump? oh no fck that guy, he's got an edgy twitter finger. It's a flat out vile hatred, to the point where people on the left will show up to his rallies and start hurting the people there because of big ballsy orange guy. The left preaches tolerance, and THIS is what you call tolerant?

you don't even give the guy a chance, and you never had any intention to do so. He says mean things on twitter, he's an asshole, he's not afraid to get in your head... blah blah blah soft as a marshmellow

What is this Republican snowflake crying about?:lol

[DocSlam]

he was black

nothing else matters

just like women voting for hillary because she's a woman

priorities not even twice
I am a Black man, and I would have been honored to visit President and Mrs. G.W. Bush when they were in the White House. My only stipulation would be that Dick Cheney could not be anywhere near there when I was there.

as for President Trump... pffft. I'll stay home. Nothing to do with color.

[TheCorporation]

How can they decline an invitation that wasn't offered to them? dumbass

Bang

[stalkerforlife]

I am a Black man, and I would have been honored to visit President and Mrs. G.W. Bush when they were in the White House. My only stipulation would be that Dick Cheney could not be anywhere near there when I was there.

as for President Trump... pffft. I'll stay home. Nothing to do with color.

How does Bush differ from Trump on views?

No googling.

3 minutes to reply.

Oops, caught you.

Phony.

It's all about color with you people.

[stalkerforlife]

ya'll make me sad

finally a non politician ( whom are 90% lawyers in the first place, let that sink in ) gets in office that has a set of balls, and all you hear from the other side is what an asshole he is.

my boss is an asshole

your boss is probably an asshole

hell my dad's an asshole

but I bet you people get over it, and still have a laugh with them. But trump? oh no fck that guy, he's got an edgy twitter finger. It's a flat out vile hatred, to the point where people on the left will show up to his rallies and start hurting the people there because of big ballsy orange guy. The left preaches tolerance, and THIS is what you call tolerant?

you don't even give the guy a chance, and you never had any intention to do so. He says mean things on twitter, he's an asshole, he's not afraid to get in your head... blah blah blah soft as a marshmellow

Don't waste your time.

Racists and cucks hate Trump.

It's the way it is.

[FKAri]

How does Bush differ from Trump on views?

No googling.

3 minutes to reply.

Oops, caught you.

Phony.

It's all about color with you people.
It hasn't been 3 minutes yet.

Oops, caught you.

Phony.

[stalkerforlife]

It hasn't been 3 minutes yet.

Oops, caught you.

Phony.

I knew the reply wouldn't take place.

You're the biggest troll phony on this board.

A complete schtick.

A failed and never even tried wanna be comedian.

Not a genuine bone in your cowardly body.

[RRR3]

Stalker, Hey Yo and Paksat:

https://chitucky.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/scufflin-hillbillies-the-willie-alfred-slim-1.jpg

[DocSlam]

How does Bush differ from Trump on views?

No googling.

3 minutes to reply.

Oops, caught you.

Phony.

It's all about color with you people.
Bush gave a crap about people. Despite Kanye's stupid comment during the Katrina hurricane relief effort.
That was the difference between Bush and Trump imo. But Bush let Cheney control policy to help his war
profiteering cronies.

[stalkerforlife]

Stalker, Hey Yo and Paksat:

https://chitucky.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/scufflin-hillbillies-the-willie-alfred-slim-1.jpg

You're a self hating cuck.

You think being down with the brown gets you respect.

They don't respect you.

The fact that you desire their respect so much makes you a spineless cuck.

They mock you as they manipulate you to further their agenda.

You're not even human to them.

[stalkerforlife]

Bush gave a crap about people. Despite Kanye's stupid comment during the Katrina hurricane relief effort. That was the difference between Bush and Trump imo.

:roll:

Pathetic.

[Vino24]

You're a self hating cuck.

You think being down with the brown gets you respect.

They don't respect you.

The fact that you desire their respect so much makes you a spineless cuck.

They mock you as they manipulate you to further their agenda.

You're not even human to them.
you are such a racist :oldlol:

[stalkerforlife]

you are such a racist :oldlol:

Oh yes, I'm a racist because I back my own.

American whites are the only people on the planet labeled racist for supporting their own race.

You sick manipulative bigots.

[DaHeezy]

He didn't invite them because he already knew they weren't going...

Trump also broke with the long standing tradition of POTUS throwing out the first pitch at the start of every MLB season because he knew he would get booed like hell :oldlol:

He is just not a popular president outside his 35% base.

Regardless, Trump is demonized both ways

Invite them, they protest
Don't invite them, he breaks tradition

Such a flighty mentality.

[TheMan]

Regardless, Trump is demonized both ways

Invite them, they protest
Don't invite them, he breaks tradition

Such a flighty mentality.
I don't give a shit either way if he invites them or if they decline...

If Trump shows up to throw the first pitch, you bet your ass I'm booing and jeering...it's called free speech.

[SouBeachTalents]

ya'll make me sad

finally a non politician ( whom are 90% lawyers in the first place, let that sink in ) gets in office that has a set of balls, and all you hear from the other side is what an asshole he is.

my boss is an asshole

your boss is probably an asshole

hell my dad's an asshole

but I bet you people get over it, and still have a laugh with them. But trump? oh no fck that guy, he's got an edgy twitter finger. It's a flat out vile hatred, to the point where people on the left will show up to his rallies and start hurting the people there because of big ballsy orange guy. The left preaches tolerance, and THIS is what you call tolerant?

you don't even give the guy a chance, and you never had any intention to do so. He says mean things on twitter, he's an asshole, he's not afraid to get in your head... blah blah blah soft as a marshmellow
Meltdown :lol And like you don't do the same shit with Obama

[stalkerforlife]

Meltdown :lol And like you don't do the same shit with Obama

You're a damn liar.

I never met a single person that hated Obama.

I've met plenty that hate Trump.

[tpols]

Meltdown :lol And like you don't do the same shit with Obama


That's the point.

There were tons of white people (older mostly) that wouldn't even give Obama a chance because he was black. We acknowledge this.

Minorities now do the same thing to trump but even more brazenly and harshly yet it is ok.

Double standard.

[stalkerforlife]

That's the point.

There were tons of white people (older mostly) that wouldn't even give Obama a chance because he was black. We acknowledge this.

Minorities now do the same thing to trump but even more brazenly and harshly yet it is ok.

Double standard.

My grandma called Obama ObAma.

Like you say AlabAma.

Hard A.

Was hilarious.

Don't even know if it was intentional.

[tpols]

My grandma called Obama ObAma.

Like you say AlabAma.

Hard A.

Was hilarious.

Don't even know if it was intentional.


My grandpa calls him hussein. :roll:

[PistonsFan#21]

That's the point.

There were tons of white people (older mostly) that wouldn't even give Obama a chance because he was black. We acknowledge this.

Minorities now do the same thing to trump but even more brazenly and harshly yet it is ok.

Double standard.

How does that comparison make any sense? Are you saying minorities dont give Trump a chance because he's white? Last time i checked Hilary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and all the other major candidates were white also...

[paksat]

Bush gave a crap about people. Despite Kanye's stupid comment during the Katrina hurricane relief effort.
That was the difference between Bush and Trump imo. But Bush let Cheney control policy to help his war
profiteering cronies.

lmfao you have no idea what bush is about do you?

how's those weapons of mass destruction going?

that entire family is in cahoots with the feds, the shadow government and you know it all lefties don't have a fcking clue

who tanked the economy right before obama huh? wasn't trump

the entire left hated the f'n man, remember hollywood and people like p diddy?

now you guys are like "yee he good he my boy".. brain washed clowns, what's on cnn tonight? days of our lives??

[stalkerforlife]

lmfao you have no idea what bush is about do you?

how's those weapons of mass destruction going?

that entire family is in cahoots with the feds, the shadow government and you know it all lefties don't have a fcking clue

who tanked the economy right before obama huh? wasn't trump

the entire left hated the f'n man, remember hollywood and people like p diddy?

now you guys are like "yee he good he my boy".. brain washed clowns, what's on cnn tonight? days of our lives??

:roll:

I knew he had no clue about Bush.

Bush is a master manipulator with his golly gee whiz act.

[paksat]

Stalker, Hey Yo and Paksat:

https://chitucky.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/scufflin-hillbillies-the-willie-alfred-slim-1.jpg

the irony of this post is

poverty didn't used to exist in this country, and it was because of those people

I agree black hatred got out of hand at the time, but what was:

crime rates
death per capita
mass shootings
unemployment
starting salary adjusted for inflation

yah get outta here kid..

[Hotlantadude81]

All this stuff about

[SouBeachTalents]

[QUOTE=Hotlantadude81]All this stuff about

[Mr Feeny]

[QUOTE=Hotlantadude81]All this stuff about

[Levity]

Dont worry. Trump will eventually give them their comeuppance via name calling on twitter - his specialty

[scuzzy]

It seems every other POTUS has had open arms to championship teams, except for Trump


Very interesting

[MaxPlayer]

In my opinion, much of the criticism of Trump misses the mark, often highlighting superficial and frivolous objections while ignoring what I consider to be far more troubling issues. It would be great if his opponents did a better job of formulating more cogent and effective critiques.

But still, at least it's better than supporting him.

[DaHeezy]

I don't give a shit either way if he invites them or if they decline...

If Trump shows up to throw the first pitch, you bet your ass I'm booing and jeering...it's called free speech.

Then is it fair to say you're an irrational prick who's a lefty snowflake? Because, you know, free speech.

[DaHeezy]

It seems every other POTUS has had open arms to championship teams, except for Trump


Very interesting

I don't think it's a matter of not having open arms. If you're told by someone they won't attend your party because they hate you would you still invite them? It's more a matter of well they don't like me then why bother.

[RRR3]

Trump stans get so butthurt when people don’t like their god.

[RealSkipBayless]

[QUOTE=Hotlantadude81]All this stuff about

[RRR3]

Pelosi, Ocasio-cortez, :lol :lol

Left fam :banana:
**** Pelosi.


AOC is amazing tho.

[DaHeezy]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Trump stans get so butthurt when people don

[RRR3]

I find it the opposite. I find Trump haters loose their shit when they come across anyone neutral or in support. It'c clear the anti-Trump brigade are more irrational ITT. This is coming from an outside observer not from the US
Says the Trump supporter :lol

[paksat]

That must be it:oldlol: Its got nothing to do with the dumbest president in US history being in office:oldlol:


you have to back up words with facts

he's a billionaire

explain dumb or go to the corner :roll:

[paksat]

I find it the opposite. I find Trump haters loose their shit when they come across anyone neutral or in support. It'c clear the anti-Trump brigade are more irrational ITT. This is coming from an outside observer not from the US

this is the case, lefties are so "tolerant"

except when it comes to anything that challenges their views :roll:

[RRR3]

you have to back up words with facts

he's a billionaire

explain dumb or go to the corner :roll:
He inherited wealth you goddamn buffoon. He’s proven to be a terrible businessman hence the multiple bankruptcies :roll:

[Mr Feeny]

Says the Trump supporter :lol

The irony there:lol

[DaHeezy]

Says the Trump supporter :lol

Another poor assumption of the snowflake community. I have no affiliation with Trump. So why should I support him?

I merely see from an unbias perspective. Snowflakes can't handle criticism to their irrational behavior.

[Vino24]

Another poor assumption of the snowflake community. I have no affiliation with Trump. So why should I support him?

I merely see from an unbias perspective. Snowflakes can't handle criticism to their irrational behavior.
if you are unbiased then the default is Trump supporter :oldlol: I can't wait till he wins a 2nd term the melt will be 2016 proportional

[Hawker]

Says the Trump supporter :lol

You only care about what the "world" thinks about the US when they agree with you.

There are multiple non-american trump supporters in this thread but you brush them aside. Those that hate trump? "OMG Trump is an embarrassment on the world scale."

Completely irrational.

[ralph_i_el]

you have to back up words with facts

he's a billionaire

explain dumb or go to the corner :roll:


1. He's never proved he is a billionaire. He got exposed for lying to Forbes. We know the value of his properties, but we don't know how much debt he has on them. He defaulted on so many loans that American banks have mostly blackballed him.

2. He inherited a profile of real estate from his father that would be worth billions now....he sold it right away to fund his casinos that failed (and Trump Tower, that is still around).

3. His dad made fake companies in his kid's names and then used them to bill his own company, to get money to his kids and bypass the estate tax (NY State is investigating. Trump might end up owing 200 million in dodged taxes).

4. Trump tower has had extensive Russian mafia activity. They literally broke up a massive gambling right directly a floor below Trump's own apartment. He personally signed off on cash sales to people who were later arrested for laundering mob money using Trump's properties. Most developers ask buyers to prove where the money came from in order to avoid this....Trump doesn't


He's a crook, a liar, and a con.

Under the Magnitsky Act, a lot of Russian oligarchs can't invest in America or the EU, so they use folks like Trump to launder their money. The Magnitsky Act was passed because Magnitsky exposed Russian oligarchs stealing hundreds of millions of ta
dollars...so they had him arrested and tortured to death in jail.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html&ved=2ahUKEwj-mdv454XjAhUEqZ4KHb7rDQkQFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw0VRpiamBtus4dIlY_W3s58

https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trumps-businesses-are-full-of-dirty-russian-money-the-scandal-is-thats-legal/2019/03/29/11b812da-5171-11e9-88a1-ed346f0ec94f_story.html%3foutputType=amp

[90sgoat]

Why does anyone ever care about the political opinon from any black person?

They all vote 96% democrat every god damn time.

If Hitler ran as a democrat he'd win the black vote easy.

Stupid is as stupid votes.

[Rudeboy3]

11 page thread for this shit? :biggums:

[ralph_i_el]

Why does anyone ever care about the political opinon from any black person?

They all vote 96% democrat every god damn time.

If Hitler ran as a democrat he'd win the black vote easy.

Stupid is as stupid votes.

Ever since Nixon the Republicans have made it their strategy to win the South by embracing any policy that hurts black folks and gets whites on their side. Here is Reagan's campaign consultant explaining the strategy. You can find the entire interview on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/X_8E3ENrKrQ


"In 1954 you start out by saying N****, N*****, N*****"

I have a Master's degree in History. This is my shit.

[Hawker]

1. He's never proved he is a billionaire. He got exposed for lying to Forbes. We know the value of his properties, but we don't know how much debt he has on them. He defaulted on so many loans that American banks have mostly blackballed him.

2. He inherited a profile of real estate from his father that would be worth billions now....he sold it right away to fund his casinos that failed (and Trump Tower, that is still around).

3. His dad made fake companies in his kid's names and then used them to bill his own company, to get money to his kids and bypass the estate tax (NY State is investigating. Trump might end up owing 200 million in dodged taxes).

4. Trump tower has had extensive Russian mafia activity. They literally broke up a massive gambling right directly a floor below Trump's own apartment. He personally signed off on cash sales to people who were later arrested for laundering mob money using Trump's properties. Most developers ask buyers to prove where the money came from in order to avoid this....Trump doesn't


He's a crook, a liar, and a con.

Under the Magnitsky Act, a lot of Russian oligarchs can't invest in America or the EU, so they use folks like Trump to launder their money. The Magnitsky Act was passed because Magnitsky exposed Russian oligarchs stealing hundreds of millions of ta
dollars...so they had him arrested and tortured to death in jail.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html&ved=2ahUKEwj-mdv454XjAhUEqZ4KHb7rDQkQFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw0VRpiamBtus4dIlY_W3s58

https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trumps-businesses-are-full-of-dirty-russian-money-the-scandal-is-thats-legal/2019/03/29/11b812da-5171-11e9-88a1-ed346f0ec94f_story.html%3foutputType=amp

Isn't all that stuff still alleged? Number 2 definitely looks bad I'll agree with you.

I applaud his father for trying to evade estate taxes. Those are immoral and unethical.

I'd still rather have someone like Trump than a lawyer, activist or political science major who wants to be in politics for life.

Also, many people, like myself, don't care as much about character and judge the actions of policy decisions. Bush was a despicable piece of shit but you have people here trying to claim he's a good dude that cares about people. It's hard to take people like that seriously when they try to make moral and ethical high grounds over Trump. These individuals are brainwashed to hate the guy - and normally can't name anything he's done policy wise and critique it.

[Hawker]

Ever since Nixon the Republicans have made it their strategy to win the South by embracing any policy that hurts black folks and gets whites on their side. Here is Reagan's campaign consultant explaining the strategy. You can find the entire interview on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/X_8E3ENrKrQ

I have a Master's degree in History. This is my shit.

So you make coffee at starbucks then?

The southern strategy and party switch is such a tired and misleading claim. The segregationists that Joe Biden said he had to work with were all democrats well past the civil rights acts.

[ralph_i_el]

Isn't all that stuff still alleged? Number 2 definitely looks bad I'll agree with you.

I applaud his father for trying to evade estate taxes. Those are immoral and unethical.

I'd still rather have someone like Trump than a lawyer, activist or political science major who wants to be in politics for life.

Also, many people, like myself, don't care as much about character and judge the actions of policy decisions. Bush was a despicable piece of shit but you have people here trying to claim he's a good dude that cares about people. It's hard to take people like that seriously when they try to make moral and ethical high grounds over Trump. These individuals are brainwashed to hate the guy - and normally can't name anything he's done policy wise and critique it.


2-3 are alleged. The Russian mob folks have been arrested in the past in Trump Tower.

Trump hasn't ever proven he's a billionaire, that's not an allegation either. It's just something he hasn't done. According to his lawyer, they falsified documents attesting to his worth when trying to get a loan to buy the Buffalo Bills.

I think inheritance is immoral and unethical to begin with. I understand passing down a plot of land that you live on, or family treasures. Passing down thousands of apartment units though? Isn't that just an aristocracy at a certain point?

[eliteballer]

Raptors are a Canadian team, the last Canadian team to win a major sports title didn't get an invite either.

[Hawker]

2-3 are alleged. The Russian mob folks have been arrested in the past in Trump Tower.

I think inheritance is immoral and unethical to begin with.

How is the government stealing from someone against their will supposedly more ethical than that individual, through their own voluntary choice, designating who gets their wealth? There's no case to be made for that at all.

I know the russian mob folks have been arrested but you're making the inference that there's a connection - of which there is no proof of. That part is alleged.

[ralph_i_el]

So you make coffee at starbucks then?

The southern strategy and party switch is such a tired and misleading claim. The segregationists that Joe Biden said he had to work with were all democrats well past the civil rights acts.

I used to work in investment banking, and now I'm in education. My first degree was finance (specializing in banking services). I basically managed people's retirement funds.


Democrats are mostly shit too. We basically have 4 parties right now, compressed into 2 by our election rules.

1. The Trump Wing. (I could go on and on about how people end up being huge Trump fans, but we all kind of get it by now).

2. Corporate Republicans (Mitch McConnell etc...). These guys used to own the party until Trump came along. They line up on the right of social issues (gay rights, guns, drugs....). They support subsidizing business and an interventionist foreign policy.

3. Corporate Democrats (The Nancy and Chuck wing). They line up on the left of social issues (gay rights, guns, drugs....). They support subsidizing business and an interventionist foreign policy.

Corporate R's and D's are really only different on social issues. These "wedge" social issues just serve to keep workers divided.

4. The Left. For a lot of America's history, the Left was openly repressed by the police. We have a bloody history of labor riots up until WW2. After WW2, the socialist left was purged from the government and major media sources. The Left has made a come back thanks to the Iraq War and 2008 Great Recession. Bernie Sanders is pretty much a centrist Dem from the 1930s on financial issues and taxes. Obviously he's far to the left of them on social issues.

[ralph_i_el]

How is the government stealing from someone against their will supposedly more ethical than that individual, through their own voluntary choice, designating who gets their wealth? There's no case to be made for that at all.

I know the russian mob folks have been arrested but you're making the inference that there's a connection - of which there is no proof of. That part is alleged.

Why do you own the land and resources? Where does this claim come from?

[MaxPlayer]

Isn't all that stuff still alleged? Number 2 definitely looks bad I'll agree with you.

I applaud his father for trying to evade estate taxes. Those are immoral and unethical.

I'd still rather have someone like Trump than a lawyer, activist or political science major who wants to be in politics for life.

Also, many people, like myself, don't care as much about character and judge the actions of policy decisions. Bush was a despicable piece of shit but you have people here trying to claim he's a good dude that cares about people. It's hard to take people like that seriously when they try to make moral and ethical high grounds over Trump. These individuals are brainwashed to hate the guy - and normally can't name anything he's done policy wise and critique it.

I can't find the clip now, but I recall several years ago on PTI, Michael Wilbon made some comments along the lines of how black people hear the way that Trump characterizes other "out group" members, like immigrants and foreigners, and that the presence of that sort of open chauvism/bigotry makes them viscerally nervous.

I don't know how much there is to it, but it sounded good to me. It seems crazy to me that it's so socially acceptable to discriminate against someone born in another state's territory, when doing so is arguably even less defensible than discriminating based on skin color.

[Hawker]

I used to work in investment banking, and now I'm in education. My first degree was finance (specializing in banking services). I basically managed people's retirement funds.


Democrats are mostly shit too. We basically have 4 parties right now, compressed into 2 by our election rules.

1. The Trump Wing. (I could go on and on about how people end up being huge Trump fans, but we all kind of get it by now).

2. Corporate Republicans (Mitch McConnell etc...). These guys used to own the party until Trump came along. They line up on the right of social issues (gay rights, guns, drugs....). They support subsidizing business and an interventionist foreign policy.

3. Corporate Democrats (The Nancy and Chuck wing). They line up on the left of social issues (gay rights, guns, drugs....). They support subsidizing business and an interventionist foreign policy.

Corporate R's and D's are really only different on social issues. These "wedge" social issues just serve to keep workers divided.

4. The Left. For a lot of America's history, the Left was openly repressed by the police. We have a bloody history of labor riots up until WW2. After WW2, the socialist left was purged from the government and major media sources. The Left has made a come back thanks to the Iraq War and 2008 Great Recession. Bernie Sanders is pretty much a centrist Dem from the 1930s on financial issues and taxes. Obviously he's far to the left of them on social issues.

Sounds like you really only have praise for the left. Bernie praised communist countries like Nicaragua, Cuba and Russia. How comes he's stopped doing so?I'd say he's far left on financial and tax issues as well. None of his so called democrat socialist paradises exist without heavily taxing the middle class. Good luck selling that to the US. It's just unfortunate that many people stopped learning history after WWII to see the dangers of socialism and communism failures from the 50s onward.

I agree with your overall view of the four sectors. Corporate dems and republicans do differ on regulations. Generally republicans don't pass nearly as many regulations while repealing very little while corporate democrats support passing very many regulations and never repealing any.

[Hawker]

Why do you own the land and resources? Where does this claim come from?

It comes from property rights that have existed since the foundation of the US - individuals should own the land and determine how they are used as opposed to the government (aristocratic governments like Europe which you seemed to detest earlier).

A philosophical, libertarian understanding essentially.

I could throw the same question to you really - why should the government own the land and resouces? Where does this claim come from? The main difference being is property rights and negotiation of how these properties would benefit individuals would be mainly voluntary whereas government would be by force.

We know what your kind of mindset leads to which is the Soviet Union - no thanks.

[Hawker]

I can't find the clip now, but I recall several years ago on PTI, Michael Wilbon made some comments along the lines of how black people hear the way that Trump characterizes other "out group" members, like immigrants and foreigners, and that the presence of that sort of open chauvism/bigotry makes them viscerally nervous.

I don't know how much there is to it, but it sounded good to me. It seems crazy to me that it's so socially acceptable to discriminate against someone born in another state's territory, when doing so is arguably even less defensible than discriminating based on skin color.

We are a world of nation-states - that's the reality. Every country discriminates based on their immigration system. Not many countries make you a citizen just for being born there. Not many countries have immigration systems just for being your aunt/uncle. To satisfy your desire, that would mean open border countries with no legal system to manage immigration. And if that were to happen, all state welfare/benefits would have to be ceased.

It's not crazy at all.

And I don't think Michael Wilbon from PTI should be anyone's foundation for political opinions - or sports media in general as they're extremely liberal biased.

[tpols]

I can't find the clip now, but I recall several years ago on PTI, Michael Wilbon made some comments along the lines of how black people hear the way that Trump characterizes other "out group" members, like immigrants and foreigners, and that the presence of that sort of open chauvism/bigotry makes them viscerally nervous.

I don't know how much there is to it, but it sounded good to me. It seems crazy to me that it's so socially acceptable to discriminate against someone born in another state's territory, when doing so is arguably even less defensible than discriminating based on skin color.


what against democrat states?

both sides fling shit in that regard and have since forever thats politics 101.

[ralph_i_el]

It comes from property rights that have existed since the foundation of the US - individuals should own the land and determine how they are used as opposed to the government (aristocratic governments like Europe which you seemed to detest earlier).

A philosophical, libertarian understanding essentially.

I could throw the same question to you really - why should the government own the land and resouces? Where does this claim come from? The main difference being is property rights and negotiation of how these properties would benefit individuals would be mainly voluntary whereas government would be by force.

We know what your kind of mindset leads to which is the Soviet Union - no thanks.


Where did those property rights come from? The government. Your property rights are protected by the legal system which upholds contracts and deeds. Without the government, there is no right to property beyond what you can control by force.

Where does government come from? In older times, people said that their rulers were favored by God (or gods), and that was why they ruled legitimately. Theoretically the government in America is legitimate because it represent the people of the nation. Our representatives can basically do anything allowed by the Constitution, including taxes. The same document that gave you property rights gives the government the ability to tax that property. .

Our founding fathers knew that over-concentration of wealth was dangerous to the nation. Thomas Jefferson wrote about this, and said that it was necessary to control inheritance. Adam Smith actually wrote about this in "The Wealth of Nations" (considered the seminal work of capitalist theory). There are many obvious problems that can come from having a bunch of very rich people that didn't earn their money and don't have to work.



I wouldn't want to live in the USSR, but it's silly to criticize their quality of life if you don't have any context of what pre-revolutionary Tsarist Russia was like. For example, 25% of Russia was literate when the communists took over. Within 10 years, that had doubled. By the 1950's they were as literate as any country on Earth.

Famines were common in Russian history. The last famine in their history was under Stalin. By the 60's Soviets were consuming more calories a day than Americans (until the 1990's. Not as much meat though).

Pre-revolutionary Russia literally horrified visitors from other countries due to the level of violence and poverty. Nobles carried around whips as a symbol of nobility and would use them often. Executions were common for things as small as grazing a cow on a noble's pasture (this is barely over 100 years ago).

[ralph_i_el]

Sounds like you really only have praise for the left. Bernie praised communist countries like Nicaragua, Cuba and Russia. How comes he's stopped doing so?I'd say he's far left on financial and tax issues as well. None of his so called democrat socialist paradises exist without heavily taxing the middle class. Good luck selling that to the US. It's just unfortunate that many people stopped learning history after WWII to see the dangers of socialism and communism failures from the 50s onward.

I agree with your overall view of the four sectors. Corporate dems and republicans do differ on regulations. Generally republicans don't pass nearly as many regulations while repealing very little while corporate democrats support passing very many regulations and never repealing any.

Corporate Dems have deregulated banking many times.
Republicans don't regulate corporations....they regulate individuals. War on drugs. Opposition to gay marriage. Opposition to abortion. These are all instances of the government regulating morality of individuals.

Regulations on businesses are usually good. Ever read "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair? Basically the meat-packing industry was just throwing chemicals and rats and human body parts in processed meats, and only stopped when the government regulated them.

Without government regulation, banks could invest your savings in risky start-ups, and then just stiff you if they went out of business. As it stands, banks have to reserve 10% of deposits, and pay for federal deposit insurance to make sure YOU don't get ripped off if the banks fail.

Don't fall for corporate BS on regulations.

[MaxPlayer]

We are a world of nation-states - that's the reality. Every country discriminates based on their immigration system. Not many countries make you a citizen just for being born there. Not many countries have immigration systems just for being your aunt/uncle. To satisfy your desire, that would mean open border countries with no legal system to manage immigration. And if that were to happen, all state welfare/benefits would have to be ceased.

It's not crazy at all.


It just seems odd that in the "land of the free", I'm not allowed to trade with a Chinese person or hire a Mexican because some protectionist moron thinks I'd thereby be "taking his job."

That a self-described "libertarian" as yourself appears to view this as ethically normal seems illustrative of the problem. Hopefully someday more people will view this apartheid for what it is.



And I don't think Michael Wilbon from PTI should be anyone's foundation for political opinions - or sports media in general as they're extremely liberal biased.

I don't believe that I cited him as a "foundation for political opinions," just as what I viewed as a refreshing and optimistic take on black people's alleged dislike of Trump.

[LukeWalton]

Since a Canadian team won...

shouldnt they be going to 24 Sussex, not the white house?

:biggums:

[k0kakw0rld]

Since a Canadian team won...

shouldnt they be going to 24 Sussex, not the white house?

:biggums:
Prime Minister already invited the Team. Nick Nurse already accepted the invitation. They will be in Ottawa, Ontario.

[krazymofo]

Where did those property rights come from? The government.

***** wtf. the constitution was made to limit the power of the government can and cant do.

Your property rights are protected by the legal system which upholds contracts and deeds.

yo i didnt sign shit lol inb4 you say theirs some imaginary contract i signed when i as born lol

Without the government, there is no right to property beyond what you can control by force.

so you dont own your body and you cant defend yourself? ain't nothing immoral about force if its used to defend yourself from getting jumped after some homies dont like you dominating them on the court.

[Cleverness]

Now imagine a white player saying no if Obama was in office :oldlol:

They would've labelled him a racist bigot and threw the book at him.

Media would def have exploded

[TheMan]

Then is it fair to say you're an irrational prick who's a lefty snowflake? Because, you know, free speech.
Yeah, and I could call you an asshole who should mind your own fukking business. Trump goes against my political viewpoints more often than not, I don't dislike him just because he's a douchebag who writes mean tweets. And I'm not that far left, I'm socially conservative, more left on economic issues...

I know you oppose Trudeau, it's my free speech to call you an irrational prick too, you reactionary snowflake :cheers:

[TheMan]

Media would def have exploded
Tom Brady didn't go when the Patriots were invited...no one batted an eye and he's a pretty big name athlete.

Fail

[TheMan]

I find it the opposite. I find Trump haters loose their shit when they come across anyone neutral or in support. It'c clear the anti-Trump brigade are more irrational ITT. This is coming from an outside observer not from the US
Fukk off, you aren't unbiased, LMAO

You support Trump often in the OTC forum :oldlol: You are a far right loon, explains your Trump fan boi status.

You ain't fooling anyone buddy

Plenty of ISHers who aren't from the US goofing on the US because of the clown in the White House, lol

Why do you even care what American citizens think about in our internal affairs? You're Canadian, fukk off, I couldn't care less about your politics...mind your own fukking business.

[Cleverness]

Tom Brady didn't go when the Patriots were invited...no one batted an eye and he's a pretty big name athlete.

Fail

???

I remember Tom skipping a visit while Trump was in office, but I think the reason was to spend time with his family?

I don't remember Tom Brady skipping the WH visit because of Obama.

I do remember several Warriors (pretty much the entire team) skipping the WH visit because of Trump.

[Hawker]

It just seems odd that in the "land of the free", I'm not allowed to trade with a Chinese person or hire a Mexican because some protectionist moron thinks I'd thereby be "taking his job."

That a self-described "libertarian" as yourself appears to view this as ethically normal seems illustrative of the problem. Hopefully someday more people will view this apartheid for what it is.



I don't believe that I cited him as a "foundation for political opinions," just as what I viewed as a refreshing and optimistic take on black people's alleged dislike of Trump.

Who is allowing you not to trade with a chinese person? I believe the main issue is with tariffs and not true free trade.

As far as hiring a mexican, sure, do it but again, we are a nation-state and not an open border country. You'd have to eliminate the minimum wage. Eliminate state and federal welfare. Privatize all land as well to accomplish the libertarian dream that you want. That's not the reality we live in so I'll continue with the belief that as americans, we are the ones paying taxes so we get to choose the flow of immigration - which doesn't mean we don't trade with China and don't hire a mexican. Those are values of self-determination and sovereignty which fit in line with libertarian values.

I'm a right-libertarian, not a left-libertarian.

[Hawker]

???

I remember Tom skipping a visit while Trump was in office, but I think the reason was to spend time with his family?

I don't remember Tom Brady skipping the WH visit because of Obama.

I do remember several Warriors (pretty much the entire team) skipping the WH visit because of Trump.

Exactly. He didnt skip it because of politics. He skipped it because he had other things going on.

It's not a legitimate comparison but TheMan knows this (as well as the rest of the low-IQ lefties) and is just being obtuse anyway.

[Hawker]

Fukk off, you aren't unbiased, LMAO

You support Trump often in the OTC forum :oldlol: You are a far right loon, explains your Trump fan boi status.

You ain't fooling anyone buddy

Plenty of ISHers who aren't from the US goofing on the US because of the clown in the White House, lol

Why do you even care what American citizens think about in our internal affairs? You're Canadian, fukk off, I couldn't care less about your politics...mind your own fukking business.

This is fine - as long as you apply the same standard to whose views you identify with. The narrative that "omg the world hates Trump" is so juvenile and untrue and plebs on here believe it.

For example - mexicans can **** off. Who cares what they think about americans?

[TheMan]

???

I remember Tom skipping a visit while Trump was in office, but I think the reason was to spend time with his family?

I don't remember Tom Brady skipping the WH visit because of Obama.

I do remember several Warriors (pretty much the entire team) skipping the WH visit because of Trump.
Black athletes aren't declining Trump just because he's white :facepalm

How is this hard to understand? Black athletes never had a problem visiting Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton, W Bush...those guys weren't accused of being overtly racist like Trump has.

Trump has a history of racism, from not renting black people apartments (Google it), his comments on the Grand Central 5, his quoting White Nationalists on tweeter, his anti Obama northern movement, his anti Kaepernick comments, his basically saying "there are nice guys in the Klan too" Charlottesville shitfest etc etc...there are many instances of him being a racist prick, it's not a figment of the imagination.

[TheMan]

This is fine - as long as you apply the same standard to whose views you identify with. The narrative that "omg the world hates Trump" is so juvenile and untrue and plebs on here believe it.

For example - mexicans can **** off. Who cares what they think about americans?
I agree.

Mexicans also don't gaf what Americans think about them, I have a lot of friends here in MX and they find them to be over all ignorant (their opinion)

[MaxPlayer]

Who is allowing you not to trade with a chinese person? I believe the main issue is with tariffs and not true free trade.

As far as hiring a mexican, sure, do it but again, we are a nation-state and not an open border country. You'd have to eliminate the minimum wage. Eliminate state and federal welfare. Privatize all land as well to accomplish the libertarian dream that you want. That's not the reality we live in so I'll continue with the belief that as americans, we are the ones paying taxes so we get to choose the flow of immigration - which doesn't mean we don't trade with China and don't hire a mexican. Those are values of self-determination and sovereignty which fit in line with libertarian values.

I'm a right-libertarian, not a left-libertarian.

Isn

[Cleverness]

Black athletes aren't declining Trump just because he's white :facepalm

How is this hard to understand? Black athletes never had a problem visiting Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton, W Bush...those guys weren't accused of being overtly racist like Trump has.

Trump has a history of racism, from not renting black people apartments (Google it), his comments on the Grand Central 5, his quoting White Nationalists on tweeter, his anti Obama northern movement, his anti Kaepernick comments, his basically saying "there are nice guys in the Klan too" Charlottesville shitfest etc etc...there are many instances of him being a racist prick, it's not a figment of the imagination.

-Accused... would they have visited if Hillary was president? I'm sure her and Bill have been accused quite a bit for being racist, despite identifying as Democrats.


-What is a White Nationalist? If someone is a nationalist, and their mother is white, is this person considered a White Nationalist?

-His message regarding Kaepernick resonated with many sports fans; they're not interested in watching athletes demonstrating politics when they turn on a sports game. I'm sure there would be similar attitudes if a player gave an anti-abortion speech in every after-the-game interview.

-Direct quotes from Trump:

“Anyone who acted criminally in this weekend's racist violence, you will be held fully accountable"

“We condemn in the strongest possible terms the egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. It has no place in America.”

“Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to all that we hold dear as Americans.”

Which of those 3 quotes do you agree with? Which do you disagree with?


-Here's the quote that got the Democrats/media all giddy: “the egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides." (I believe this was during a press conference about infrastructure? Honestly can't remember)

...And Trump was correct on that one too. Groups like Antifa had been getting a pass for a long time, while beating up people in the streets, smashing cars and windows, etc. And you should look into San Jose, CA. San Jose police intentionally lead people who were attending a Trump speech right into violent Left-wing protesters who attacked them.

The San Jose politicians blamed Trump for the attacks by Left-wing protesters (WTH?). Where is the outrage regarding those politicians saying insane things like that?

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/07/27/trump-supporters-score-legal-victory-suit-san-jose-police/

So yeah, I'd say even that controversial quote was correct. There has been violence on many sides.

[Hawker]

Isn’t this the exact same logic that was used to sell Obamacare? “We already have socialism in the healthcare industry, therefore it’s a public cost, therefore we CAN’T permit individual freedom of choice.”

You're actually right on that one but the logic is different. I remember Reagan commenting on this back when medicare and medicaid were introduced.

People value culture dude - if America was replaced 50% with people from the middle east, would american culture be the same? No it wouldn't. So it's perfectly acceptable to make decisions based on that. Australia and New Zealand have done quite well in this respect.

[Hawker]

Black athletes aren't declining Trump just because he's white :facepalm

How is this hard to understand? Black athletes never had a problem visiting Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton, W Bush...those guys weren't accused of being overtly racist like Trump has.

Trump has a history of racism, from not renting black people apartments (Google it), his comments on the Grand Central 5, his quoting White Nationalists on tweeter, his anti Obama northern movement, his anti Kaepernick comments, his basically saying "there are nice guys in the Klan too" Charlottesville shitfest etc etc...there are many instances of him being a racist prick, it's not a figment of the imagination.

^This is all nonsense. Especially the Kaep thing. That's just straight up playing the race card. Being black doesn't excuse you from criticism. These same people have an issue with Megan Rapinoe not saying the anthem at the USWNT. She's white as ****. (inb4trumpisasexist)

Left/liberals are just too damn soft these days and love calling everything racist when people disagree with them.

Check this - Katy Tur saying Trump never disavowed David Duke but has done it OVER AND OVER again. Even the late 90s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoXThCb8EZA&t=1s)

[DaHeezy]

Fukk off, you aren't unbiased, LMAO

You support Trump often in the OTC forum :oldlol: You are a far right loon, explains your Trump fan boi status.

You ain't fooling anyone buddy

Plenty of ISHers who aren't from the US goofing on the US because of the clown in the White House, lol

Why do you even care what American citizens think about in our internal affairs? You're Canadian, fukk off, I couldn't care less about your politics...mind your own fukking business.

It's this triggered type reaction that makes us ****ing laugh at your joke of political affiliation. Why would I care about your President when I have an even bigger of a joker running out country who is ACTUALLY affecting what's going on in my life. So yeah, I really DGAF about Trump. So it's easy to dissect you whiners making ignorant assumptions.

[DaHeezy]

Yeah, and I could call you an asshole who should mind your own fukking business. Trump goes against my political viewpoints more often than not, I don't dislike him just because he's a douchebag who writes mean tweets. And I'm not that far left, I'm socially conservative, more left on economic issues...

I know you oppose Trudeau, it's my free speech to call you an irrational prick too, you reactionary snowflake :cheers:

I oppose Trudeau because he's created a bunch of taxes that is basically putting low income families in bad financial situations. IDGAF about his social viewpoints and all the other nonsense people cry about. The equivelant of me hating Trudeau compared to how you hate Trump is complaining about his praising of the LGQTB and his general white knight POVs. That doesn't bother me. So yeah, our views aren't similar at all. You're more caught up in the media drama. If anything your statement can't be further from the truth as I voted for the party on the furthest left on the political scale and have been for years in the NDP. VERY opposite from your Republican party

But yeah, you have a right to say whatever you want. But when I say it it's true

[DaHeezy]

if you are unbiased then the default is Trump supporter :oldlol: I can't wait till he wins a 2nd term the melt will be 2016 proportional

This is what I don't get with the political left in the US. You can't observe and criticize them, they go to the default, "you're a Trump supporter!"

If someone from the US questioned why I don't support my Prime Minister I would shout, "Trudeau Dick Sucker!" like all these American leftist do. Shows the mentality of the US political left is so out of whack.

[ralph_i_el]

***** wtf. the constitution was made to limit the power of the government can and cant do.


yo i didnt sign shit lol inb4 you say theirs some imaginary contract i signed when i as born lol


so you dont own your body and you cant defend yourself? ain't nothing immoral about force if its used to defend yourself from getting jumped after some homies dont like you dominating them on the court.

That is one part of the Constitution. Having a government means that we can have a legal system to enforce contracts and deeds so that property ownership is possible.


I love force. What I'm saying is the government makes it possible to own more than you can personally defend. I'm armed to the teeth, I can easily defend my house (I'd rather not obviously). Walmart, on the other hand, would be defending facilities all over the planet...which is much easier to do when you can take people to court for stealing your property or breaking contracts, and the government can enforce those rights, possibly through violence.

When I'm talking about ownership, I'm talking about ownership of the land and capital resources that we need to produce goods and services.

[MaxPlayer]

You're actually right on that one but the logic is different. I remember Reagan commenting on this back when medicare and medicaid were introduced.

People value culture dude - if America was replaced 50% with people from the middle east, would american culture be the same? No it wouldn't. So it's perfectly acceptable to make decisions based on that. Australia and New Zealand have done quite well in this respect.

I mean, I'm sure many people valued the "culture" of Jim Crow. But nowadays you can't even have so much as a lunch counter that's racially segregated. And yet no one bats an eye when it comes to segregating the 95% of humanity that happens to be foreign-born from an entire 3.8 million square mile region.

[Bronbron23]

[QUOTE=Cleverness]-Accused... would they have visited if Hillary was president? I'm sure her and Bill have been accused quite a bit for being racist, despite identifying as Democrats.


-What is a White Nationalist? If someone is a nationalist, and their mother is white, is this person considered a White Nationalist?

-His message regarding Kaepernick resonated with many sports fans; they're not interested in watching athletes demonstrating politics when they turn on a sports game. I'm sure there would be similar attitudes if a player gave an anti-abortion speech in every after-the-game interview.

-Direct quotes from Trump:

[TheCorporation]

Often times athletes/people only skip these things because they're afraid of the backlash from their fans/community. It's a left wing guilt trip mechanism. I bet a lot of guys would love to visit the White House but since they fear the backlash of their left wing controlling fans they have to decline.

Pretty sad, to be honest.

And the left say they are more tolerant and open minded :lol

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[DaHeezy]

Often times athletes/people only skip these things because they're afraid of the backlash from their fans/community. It's a left wing guilt trip mechanism. I bet a lot of guys would love to visit the White House but since they fear the backlash of their left wing controlling fans they have to decline.

Pretty sad, to be honest.

And the left say they are more tolerant and open minded :lol

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Maybe the more educated players. I'd assume most of these cats are of the same ilk where they just hate Trump.

[smoovegittar]

I find it hysterical that posters in here are talking about being "open minded".

More like the tops of their heads had been opened. GTFO -

[ralph_i_el]

Maybe the more educated players. I'd assume most of these cats are of the same ilk where they just hate Trump.


The higher your level of education, the less likely you are to support Trump.

[smoovegittar]

The higher your level of education, the less likely you are to support Trump.

Boing!

[DaHeezy]

The higher your level of education, the less likely you are to support Trump.

Could be true. There are a lot of dimwit college professors who spew anti-Trump BS

We'll just go with the wise people don't let's Trump BS bother them

[305Baller]

Why would they go to the White House? They are a Canadian team retards.

They should visit their prime minister.

[Hawker]

The higher your level of education, the less likely you are to support Trump.

Education =/= intelligence

Academia is pretty much full of retards these days who can't accomplish anything in the private sector - hence their need to try and control the culture through public schools.

Also, tons of blacks and hispanics vote democrat. Wonder what the education is like there?

[Hawker]

Where did those property rights come from? The government. Your property rights are protected by the legal system which upholds contracts and deeds. Without the government, there is no right to property beyond what you can control by force.

Where does government come from? In older times, people said that their rulers were favored by God (or gods), and that was why they ruled legitimately. Theoretically the government in America is legitimate because it represent the people of the nation. Our representatives can basically do anything allowed by the Constitution, including taxes. The same document that gave you property rights gives the government the ability to tax that property. .

Our founding fathers knew that over-concentration of wealth was dangerous to the nation. Thomas Jefferson wrote about this, and said that it was necessary to control inheritance. Adam Smith actually wrote about this in "The Wealth of Nations" (considered the seminal work of capitalist theory). There are many obvious problems that can come from having a bunch of very rich people that didn't earn their money and don't have to work.



I wouldn't want to live in the USSR, but it's silly to criticize their quality of life if you don't have any context of what pre-revolutionary Tsarist Russia was like. For example, 25% of Russia was literate when the communists took over. Within 10 years, that had doubled. By the 1950's they were as literate as any country on Earth.

Famines were common in Russian history. The last famine in their history was under Stalin. By the 60's Soviets were consuming more calories a day than Americans (until the 1990's. Not as much meat though).

Pre-revolutionary Russia literally horrified visitors from other countries due to the level of violence and poverty. Nobles carried around whips as a symbol of nobility and would use them often. Executions were common for things as small as grazing a cow on a noble's pasture (this is barely over 100 years ago).

The land wasn't invented by the government either. Yes, the government has a legitimate function of enforcing deeds etc. but they aren't entitled to the benefits the land produces. And the constitution doesn't give rights - it protects them as those rights are natural rights.

I know Thomas Jefferson and Adam Smith talked about this but that was in a time where there were no income taxes. Today there are so estate taxes are immoral and unethical. Also, plenty of countries in the world don't have estate taxes and get on fine. To me, you should be able to have the freedom to choose what happens with your money - not the government. This dumb idea that they just hoard their money and swim in it like ducktales is ridiculous.

And by stating that "they didn't earn their money and didn't work" and justifies taking their money is actually legislating morality and the individual which is something you said democrats don't do. And you don't list any of the "obvious problems"? Can you please tell me what they are?

Russia was a shit hole dude - they built a wall to keep people in because people wanted to leave. You can believe what you want.

[Hawker]

Corporate Dems have deregulated banking many times.
Republicans don't regulate corporations....they regulate individuals. War on drugs. Opposition to gay marriage. Opposition to abortion. These are all instances of the government regulating morality of individuals.

Regulations on businesses are usually good. Ever read "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair? Basically the meat-packing industry was just throwing chemicals and rats and human body parts in processed meats, and only stopped when the government regulated them.

Without government regulation, banks could invest your savings in risky start-ups, and then just stiff you if they went out of business. As it stands, banks have to reserve 10% of deposits, and pay for federal deposit insurance to make sure YOU don't get ripped off if the banks fail.

Don't fall for corporate BS on regulations.

War on Drugs and opposition to gay marriage has been a bipartisan thing for awhile. Look into Kamala Harris bud and her strong stance in California. Regulation of guns is also an individual regulation. Increase in taxes is also a regulation of individual.

Abortion is what I'll give you but again - you could consider the fetus an individual depending on what position you take.

Yes, I've heard of the Jungle but fortunately I have more than a 10th grade history education. That story is just some obvious propaganda to try to convince people into thinking "regulations good." Another reason why public schools are failing us.

There are current banking regulations in place that affect americans overseas that have resulted in their banks closing their accounts and nowhere to go. It's abhorrent - unintended consequences are never considered. Further regulations just consolidate banks into massive superpowers and eliminate competition. And the risky investments really come from cheap credit from the federal reserve. Price signals are all screwed up so investments that look like good opportunities are incorrectly labelled as such when they are really bad.

[305Baller]

War on Drugs and opposition to gay marriage has been a bipartisan thing for awhile. Look into Kamala Harris bud and her strong stance in California. Regulation of guns is also an individual regulation. Increase in taxes is also a regulation of individual.

Abortion is what I'll give you but again - you could consider the fetus an individual depending on what position you take.

Yes, I've heard of the Jungle but fortunately I have more than a 10th grade history education. That story is just some obvious propaganda to try to convince people into thinking "regulations good." Another reason why public schools are failing us.

There are current banking regulations in place that affect americans overseas that have resulted in their banks closing their accounts and nowhere to go. It's abhorrent - unintended consequences are never considered. Further regulations just consolidate banks into massive superpowers and eliminate competition. And the risky investments really come from cheap credit from the federal reserve. Price signals are all screwed up so investments that look like good opportunities are incorrectly labelled as such when they are really bad.

The constitution is based on the ideas of german philosophers.

[Cleverness]

The higher your level of education, the less likely you are to support Trump.

People who took out $200,000+ in student loans to study liberal arts are less likely to support Trump too.

They do, however, have higher levels of "education".

[Cleverness]

Why would they go to the White House? They are a Canadian team retards.

They should visit their prime minister.

If you're not trolling, most of the team is born/from the United States, playing in the National Basketball Association. :D

[305Baller]

If you're not trolling, most of the team is born/from the United States, playing in the National Basketball Association. :D

who cares. the canadian anthem is played at their games. its a canadian team funded by canadian tax dollars and the global economic elite.

maybe they should visit the UN

[ralph_i_el]

Education =/= intelligence

Academia is pretty much full of retards these days who can't accomplish anything in the private sector - hence their need to try and control the culture through public schools.

Also, tons of blacks and hispanics vote democrat. Wonder what the education is like there?


The closest you've been to academia is probably watching Jordan Peterson videos on YouTube.

[ralph_i_el]

The land wasn't invented by the government either. Yes, the government has a legitimate function of enforcing deeds etc. but they aren't entitled to the benefits the land produces. And the constitution doesn't give rights - it protects them as those rights are natural rights.

I know Thomas Jefferson and Adam Smith talked about this but that was in a time where there were no income taxes. Today there are so estate taxes are immoral and unethical. Also, plenty of countries in the world don't have estate taxes and get on fine. To me, you should be able to have the freedom to choose what happens with your money - not the government. This dumb idea that they just hoard their money and swim in it like ducktales is ridiculous.

And by stating that "they didn't earn their money and didn't work" and justifies taking their money is actually legislating morality and the individual which is something you said democrats don't do. And you don't list any of the "obvious problems"? Can you please tell me what they are?

Russia was a shit hole dude - they built a wall to keep people in because people wanted to leave. You can believe what you want.

Who is entitled to the benefits of the land then? What makes it yours and not mine?

"Natural Rights" only exist so far as they are enforced.

Obvious problems with the huge wealth disparities:

1. Concentrated wealth allows a few very wealthy people to control the government through corruption. The US government gives tax breaks and subsidies equal to the total amount of outstanding student debt in the US....EVERY YEAR.

2. Monopolies and massive private equity firms decrease competition in the economy. Competition to provide cheaper and higher quality goods is the only aspect of capitalism that benefits people who don't own capital resources.

3. Goods and services are produced in accordance with supply and demand. The concept of "consumer sovereignty" is defined as "the situation in an economy where the desires and needs of consumers control the output of producers". However, these desires only impact what is produced in relation to the purchasing power of different classes of consumers. Put simply, when a small amount of people control a huge amount of wealth, the economy will produce goods and services aimed at those wealthy people. Less labor is dedicated to producing basketballs, more labor is dedicated to producing Bugattis.


We have the lowest tax rates in a hundred years of US history right now. The top tax rate was double this in the 70's. About 1.5x this in the 80's. It was 90% in the 40's and 50's. Back then about 60% of wealth went to workers, and 40% went to owners of capital. Now in America, 60% of income goes to owners and 40% goes to workers. An estimated 40% of all wealth is inherited, not earned. Workers haven't had a sustained increase in real wages since the early 80's. This is all bad.

[ralph_i_el]

I think you guys have me mistaken for some big government lib, and I'm not.

Governments are institutions who we allow to have a monopoly on legitimate violence. That's their purpose.

Violence is at the heart of ownership. What stops your land from being my land is the threat of violence. Without a government to enforce a set of laws, backed up by violence, ownership beyond personal property is impossible.

As long as governments exist, they will be enforcing laws with violence. If there must be ownership of resources, then there must be government. The question is, who the government represents.

Right now in America our government represents the interests of the rich, and wants to make it easier for them to gain control over more resources. I'd rather a government that shifted the balance back to the masses. Full-time workers in a lot of other countries earn more money than American workers.

What would that look like? Vastly increasing taxes on annual income over a few million dollars. Increasing the minimum wage. Enforcing anti-trust laws (already on the books) to break up big banks, big telecom companies, Disney etc etc...

[MaxPlayer]

I think you guys have me mistaken for some big government lib, and I'm not.

Governments are institutions who we allow to have a monopoly on legitimate violence. That's their purpose.

Violence is at the heart of ownership. What stops your land from being my land is the threat of violence. Without a government to enforce a set of laws, backed up by violence, ownership beyond personal property is impossible.

As long as governments exist, they will be enforcing laws with violence. If there must be ownership of resources, then there must be government. The question is, who the government represents.

Right now in America our government represents the interests of the rich, and wants to make it easier for them to gain control over more resources. I'd rather a government that shifted the balance back to the masses. Full-time workers in a lot of other countries earn more money than American workers.

What would that look like? Vastly increasing taxes on annual income over a few million dollars. Increasing the minimum wage. Enforcing anti-trust laws (already on the books) to break up big banks, big telecom companies, Disney etc etc...

So, you recognize that the rich have been systematically more successful at co-opting government for their own ends, and you want to fix this by doing a bunch of things that expand the power of that same government.

Not sure this is a good approach.

[vidsmart]

Now imagine a white player saying no if Obama was in office :oldlol:

They would've labelled him a racist bigot and threw the book at him.

You mean like Tom Brady? Or the many other white champions who did not go?

[ralph_i_el]

So, you recognize that the rich have been systematically more successful at co-opting government for their own ends, and you want to fix this by doing a bunch of things that expand the power of that same government.

Not sure this is a good approach.

I see it as using the power of government to decrease the power of the rich.

I'd like to decrease the power of that government by decreasing military operations and decriminalizing drugs.

The most disruptive and "big government" thing we do is lock up 2.3 million people at a time. We have the highest prison population by sheer numbers and by percentage of citizens. Almost half a million of those people haven't had trials, but can't afford bail. The number one reason (by a huge margin) people are in jail is for drug possession.

[TheCorporation]

The closest you've been to academia is probably watching Jordan Peterson videos on YouTube.

Jordan Peterson the goat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkW1mzURnqU

[poido123]

The closest you've been to academia is probably watching Jordan Peterson videos on YouTube.


Peterson is the man. Teaches babies like on this site how to be personally responsible for their lives. Unfortunately, kids here would rather take advice and action from lebron 😑

As for this trump snubbing, I don

[poido123]

I see it as using the power of government to decrease the power of the rich.

I'd like to decrease the power of that government by decreasing military operations and decriminalizing drugs.

The most disruptive and "big government" thing we do is lock up 2.3 million people at a time. We have the highest prison population by sheer numbers and by percentage of citizens. Almost half a million of those people haven't had trials, but can't afford bail. The number one reason (by a huge margin) people are in jail is for drug possession.


Prison is big business. Good luck stopping that.

[MaxPlayer]

[QUOTE=poido123]Peterson is the man. Teaches babies like on this site how to be personally responsible for their lives. Unfortunately, kids here would rather take advice and action from lebron 😑

As for this trump snubbing, I don

[red1]

[QUOTE=poido123]Peterson is the man. Teaches babies like on this site how to be personally responsible for their lives. Unfortunately, kids here would rather take advice and action from lebron 😑

As for this trump snubbing, I don

[poido123]

This post seems a little odd in light of the fact that Trump's rhetoric is extremely "tribalist" and repeatedly stresses "us vs them." He frames nearly every issue, even things as benign as trade, as some sort of struggle between "us" (the United States) and some nefarious foreigner.


Trump simply shined a light on society

[poido123]

holy shit its poido aka pedo long-time no see



been an eventful year dude we da champs you can still sukk my dikk fam


Pedo 😂

I bring love, not hate. That election period got out of hand 👀

[red1]

Pedo 😂

I bring love, not hate. That election period got out of hand 👀
sorry man that was just the ol' nickname. I haven't really been paying attention to elections but I watched a lot of playoff games saw my team win 16 games this postseason in fact.




All of these games are taking a toll I'm glad that there's an offseason it's good to have a break from all this winning.

[poido123]

sorry man that was just the ol' nickname. I haven't really been paying attention to elections but I watched a lot of playoff games saw my team win 16 games this postseason in fact.




All of these games are taking a toll I'm glad that there's an offseason it's good to have a break from all this winning.


Can

[red1]

Can’t hate a Toronto championship ��

The parties in that city would of been insane. Unfortunately for my bulls, we are too busy enjoying mediocrity and celebrating drafts ��
absolutely. definitely insane.




bulls already have 6 rings it's good to share. just not with the knicks. dolan can sit in the corner alone.

[poido123]

absolutely. definitely insane.




bulls already have 6 rings it's good to share. just not with the knicks. dolan can sit in the corner alone.


If we didn

[red1]

If we didn’t luck into Jordan, our ownership would rival that of Dolan.
damn. magic got the hiv but dolan is the real aids/cancer.

[Hawker]

Who is entitled to the benefits of the land then? What makes it yours and not mine?

"Natural Rights" only exist so far as they are enforced.

Obvious problems with the huge wealth disparities:

1. Concentrated wealth allows a few very wealthy people to control the government through corruption. The US government gives tax breaks and subsidies equal to the total amount of outstanding student debt in the US....EVERY YEAR.

2. Monopolies and massive private equity firms decrease competition in the economy. Competition to provide cheaper and higher quality goods is the only aspect of capitalism that benefits people who don't own capital resources.

3. Goods and services are produced in accordance with supply and demand. The concept of "consumer sovereignty" is defined as "the situation in an economy where the desires and needs of consumers control the output of producers". However, these desires only impact what is produced in relation to the purchasing power of different classes of consumers. Put simply, when a small amount of people control a huge amount of wealth, the economy will produce goods and services aimed at those wealthy people. Less labor is dedicated to producing basketballs, more labor is dedicated to producing Bugattis.


We have the lowest tax rates in a hundred years of US history right now. The top tax rate was double this in the 70's. About 1.5x this in the 80's. It was 90% in the 40's and 50's. Back then about 60% of wealth went to workers, and 40% went to owners of capital. Now in America, 60% of income goes to owners and 40% goes to workers. An estimated 40% of all wealth is inherited, not earned. Workers haven't had a sustained increase in real wages since the early 80's. This is all bad.

Everyone benefits from the resources of the land. Consumers and owners. Owners of the private property benefit by offering something to consumers. This is basic capitalism.

Income has increased for all workers adjusted for inflation since the 80s. That is just wrong.

As far as your three points, the rich want more regulations so they can keep the wealth and put up barriers in place for competition. You can see the same thing with Amazon, google, facebook right now - they are all asking for regulations so they can own the competition. Pressure was put on Amazon to go to $15/hr min wage, and now they are lobbying the government to do the same. Not because they really believe it but to stifle competition.

BTW - we aint short on producing basketballs dude. There is always a market for little stuff like that.

And as a % of GDP, federal tax receipts has been flat since the 50s.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/U.S._Federal_Tax_Receipts_as_a_Percentage_of_GDP_1 945%E2%80%932015.jpg

While those tax rates were extremely high, there were tons of tax cuts built into them (by the rich in cooperation with big government) and they were cut significantly by Reagan who at the same time got rid of those breaks.

[Hawker]

The closest you've been to academia is probably watching Jordan Peterson videos on YouTube.


My brother just got his PhD.

Do you recall the hoax academic studies? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVk9a5Jcd1k)

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0966369X.2018.1475346

An article of rape culture and queer performativity in urban dog parks got approved as a legitimate academic article. :lol

[DoctorP]

I think you guys have me mistaken for some big government lib, and I'm not.

Governments are institutions who we allow to have a monopoly on legitimate violence. That's their purpose.

Violence is at the heart of ownership. What stops your land from being my land is the threat of violence. Without a government to enforce a set of laws, backed up by violence, ownership beyond personal property is impossible.

As long as governments exist, they will be enforcing laws with violence. If there must be ownership of resources, then there must be government. The question is, who the government represents.

Right now in America our government represents the interests of the rich, and wants to make it easier for them to gain control over more resources. I'd rather a government that shifted the balance back to the masses. Full-time workers in a lot of other countries earn more money than American workers.

What would that look like? Vastly increasing taxes on annual income over a few million dollars. Increasing the minimum wage. Enforcing anti-trust laws (already on the books) to break up big banks, big telecom companies, Disney etc etc...

I see you have read some Karl Marx, right?

[ralph_i_el]

I see you have read some Karl Marx, right?

Back in school. I try to read a lot of different perspectives though. I'm currently finishing up Fukyama's "The Origins of Political Order", which I definitely recommend. He's definitely not a Marxist, but he's the one neo-con who has actually realized their failures (he was a major player in the Bush administration).

[DoctorP]

Back in school. I try to read a lot of different perspectives though. I'm currently finishing up Fukyama's "The Origins of Political Order", which I definitely recommend. He's definitely not a Marxist, but he's the one neo-con who has actually realized their failures (he was a major player in the Bush administration).

Vaguely heard of him. I am an existentialist thinker and I dove into some Sartre who persuaded me to read Marx. Just finished Marx preamble to the Communist Manifesto.

Thanks for the recommendation.

[warriorfan]

Damn. Hawker getting straight shit on....Hey... at least his brother has a PHD though.



Btw, impressive stuff Ralph :applause:

[MaxPlayer]

Vaguely heard of him. I am an existentialist thinker and I dove into some Sartre who persuaded me to read Marx. Just finished Marx preamble to the Communist Manifesto.

Thanks for the recommendation.

Marx just really loses me with the way that he just unquestioningly assumes that workers and owners of capital necessarily cannot co-exist peacefully and/or for mutual benefit. Much like Malthus, it just seems like such an unjustifiably pessimistic view, even more so today in light of the continuing incredible gains in global wealth and standards of living.

[DoctorP]

Marx just really loses me with the way that he just unquestioningly assumes that workers and owners of capital necessarily cannot co-exist peacefully and/or for mutual benefit. Much like Malthus, it just seems like such an unjustifiably pessimistic view, even more so today in light of the continuing incredible gains in global wealth and standards of living.

Marx also bothers me because his views are not only pessimistic, but so machine-like and systematic that he basically rejects the history of individuals outside of the system. To him savages and sub-proletariats are outside of the realm of history. That bothers me.

[DoctorP]

Things have progressed technologically from Marx time, especially in Archaeology. We know there is more to history than industrial civilization.

Marx work is outdated. That's where Sartre comes in, and perhaps now Chomsky.


But I could be wrong.

[ralph_i_el]

Things have progressed technologically from Marx time, especially in Archaeology. We know there is more to history than industrial civilization.

Marx work is outdated. That's where Sartre comes in, and perhaps now Chomsky.


But I could be wrong.

No, you are exactly right. Marx is not the be-all-end-all. He inspired a lot of very insightful people though with his materialist framework.

My wife is an archaeologist!

[ralph_i_el]

My brother just got his PhD.

Do you recall the hoax academic studies? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVk9a5Jcd1k)

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0966369X.2018.1475346

An article of rape culture and queer performativity in urban dog parks got approved as a legitimate academic article. :lol

Someone made a hoax paper, and to you this discredits hundreds of years of academics?

I would love for you to apply this same standard of skepticism to institutions like the US military and State Department.

[ralph_i_el]

Everyone benefits from the resources of the land. Consumers and owners. Owners of the private property benefit by offering something to consumers. This is basic capitalism.

Income has increased for all workers adjusted for inflation since the 80s. That is just wrong.

As far as your three points, the rich want more regulations so they can keep the wealth and put up barriers in place for competition. You can see the same thing with Amazon, google, facebook right now - they are all asking for regulations so they can own the competition. Pressure was put on Amazon to go to $15/hr min wage, and now they are lobbying the government to do the same. Not because they really believe it but to stifle competition.

BTW - we aint short on producing basketballs dude. There is always a market for little stuff like that.

And as a % of GDP, federal tax receipts has been flat since the 50s.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/U.S._Federal_Tax_Receipts_as_a_Percentage_of_GDP_1 945%E2%80%932015.jpg

While those tax rates were extremely high, there were tons of tax cuts built into them (by the rich in cooperation with big government) and they were cut significantly by Reagan who at the same time got rid of those breaks.


That's not flat. Some of those fluxuations represent hundreds of billions of dollars. Since Trump took office annual tax receipts are down $230 billion according to that FED data.

Real wages really haven't increased significantly in decades.

https://www.pewresearch.org/?attachment_id=304888

Just accounting for inflation doesn't tell you much about wages. You need to account for purchasing power, which takes into account increases in the cost of living.

Basketballs were just an example of a good that can be enjoyed by a wide range of income levels.

[GimmeThat]

I'm not offended by the idea that Americans no longer assume they are the leader of the world. As for the administration, logic implies they could have sent a representative to the championship game and recruitment notes would have been noted.

[DoctorP]

No, you are exactly right. Marx is not the be-all-end-all. He inspired a lot of very insightful people though with his materialist framework.

My wife is an archaeologist!

Cool, man. F the Eagles, man! heheh