Why are we celebrating Kawhi

[Gus Hemmingway]

....


It’s worse than 7 out of 9 of LeBrons Finals

Kawhi in 2019: 28ppg 4 assists 43% FG

...




LeBron in 2018 35ppg 10 assists 54% FG


LeBron in 2017: 34ppg 10 assists 54% FG


LeBron in 2016: 30ppg 9 assists 50FG%


LeBron in 2015: 36ppg 9 assists 40%FG


LeBron in 2014: 28ppg 4 assists 58% FG


LeBron in 2013: 25ppg 7 assists 45% FG


LeBron in 2012: 29ppg 7 assists 47% FG




Why is Kawhi getting celebrated? He played worse than all of LeBrons Finals


:D

[TheCorporation]

:hammertime: :hammertime:

It's

Just

2

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[RealSkipBayless]

No idea. Especially when you take into account it was versus a depleted Warriors squad.

[LoneyROY7]

Meanwhile, Harden averaged 35/7/6 on 44/35/82 against the Warriors...and 4 of those game were with KD, one of their best defenders.

:pimp:

[egokiller]

Who’s celebrating stats? Only lestans care about stats.

What’s celebrated is that Kawhi won on a new team with a new coach that was less stacked when compared to most of lebron’s finals teams.

Both beat depleted GSW teams

2016
2019

But only one did it while playing his first year for that franchise with a rookie coach. Just means that the east isn’t shit and therefore 8 finals trips in a row in the east could have been done with guys like Kawhi, KD, or AD in lebron’s shoes. Nothing special about it.

[dreamwarrior]

Obviously if you watched the series you could see he was frustrated in all but 1 game. He still got his points due to free throws and his uselessness opened the door for guys like VanVleet and Siakam to come up. I think one of those two should have won FMVP, but everyone knew Kawhi was going to get it anyway. Kawhi has never been a great penetrator or shot creator. Especially when he was doubled constantly, I was actually surprised he scored as much as he did.

[LAmbruh]

didn't even realize he played in the Finals this year




all hype has been on Lakers big roster moves

[sportjames23]

[QUOTE=egokiller]Who

[houston]

the most overrated Finals run ever dude needed 22 games for rest in his prime.

[1987_Lakers]

LeBron's Finals numbers from 2015-2018 were Godly.

[superduper]

Hey mods can we please rename this to "Lets suck our Bran thread"

[red1]

c'mon guys let's not be sensitive little girls shall we? what's the deal with the selective focus on assists and points and not rebounds?



we absolutely should celebrate kawhi's win. kawhi is the only player to end two dynastys - he shit in the heat's mouth and also had a chance to dump in golden state's mouth.




how is that not celebration-worthy.

[qrich]

Meanwhile, Harden averaged 35/7/6 on 44/35/82 against the Warriors...and 4 of those game were with KD, one of their best defenders.

:pimp:

While winning the same amount of games as the Clippers did, despite the Clips facing KD and a hint of Cousins.

[Gus Hemmingway]

Why was 28ppg on 43% with 4 assists enough for Kawhi to win in 6 games?


Why did LeBron lose in 4 with 35ppg on 54% with 10 assists?

[warriorfan]

Why was 28ppg on 43% with 4 assists enough for Kawhi to win in 6 games?


Why did LeBron lose in 4 with 35ppg on 54% with 10 assists?

Becaus LeBron doesn

[Gus Hemmingway]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Becaus LeBron doesn

[ClipperRevival]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Becaus LeBron doesn

[superduper]

Defense is worth 8 more ppg, 6 more assists and 10% more FG%

Yes actually it's worth way more than that :roll: :roll:

[SomeBlackDude]

Kawhi in 2019

championship.

finals mvp.


LeBron in 2018

lost in a sweep.

worst average point differential loss in nba finals history.


LeBron in 2017

lost the finals 4-1.



LeBron in 2014

was the worst loss in finals history before 2018.

[tpols]

Defense is worth 8 more ppg, 6 more assists and 10% more FG%


yes... especially considering kawhi gets his stats without infringing on his teammates, and has a positive spacing multiplier.

and is clutch. the anti-bran.

[ClipperRevival]

championship.

finals mvp.



lost in a sweep.

worst average point differential loss in nba finals history.



lost the finals 4-1.



was the worst loss in finals history before 2018.

Mods...

[ClipperRevival]

Another thing that sticks out about Bron is that when he wins, he barely wins. His only decisive ring was 2012. The other 2 went 7 and he needed 2 of the biggest shots in history by teammates to win.

On the flip side, he is the recipient of the 2 worst finals losses in history and he has gotten DESTROYED in 4 finals and should've won in 2011 and 2014.

And got outscored by a 33 year old midget in 2011. And gave up FMVP 4 times to his direct assignment. Come on man, too many holes on his resume.

[k0kakw0rld]

One player joins a team and then wins a championship his first season with his new team (and teammates).

The other one never done it.

Please close this thread. OP is a clown :facepalm

[Gus Hemmingway]

Another thing that sticks out about Bron is that when he wins, he barely wins. His only decisive ring was 2012. The other 2 went 7 and he needed 2 of the biggest shots in history by teammates to win.

On the flip side, he is the recipient of the 2 worst finals losses in history and he has gotten DESTROYED in 4 finals and should've won in 2011 and 2014.

And got outscored by a 33 year old midget in 2011. And gave up FMVP 4 times to his direct assignment. Come on man, too many holes on his resume.

But WHY? You cant answer that

35 ppg on 54% shooting while getting 10 assists got LeBron swept


28 ppg on 43% and 4 assists gets Kawhi a win in 6 games?

[TheCorporation]

Why was 28ppg on 43% with 4 assists enough for Kawhi to win in 6 games?


Why did LeBron lose in 4 with 35ppg on 54% with 10 assists?

King Lowry
Siakaham
DPOY Gasol
Iblocka
Vanvleet (Watched the Delly tapes)
Danny GREEN

The list goes on

Meanwhile Bron gets 8 ppg Love and J.R. Swish :(

[TheCorporation]

Another thing that sticks out about Bron is that when he wins, he barely wins. His only decisive ring was 2012. The other 2 went 7 and he needed 2 of the biggest shots in history by teammates to win.

On the flip side, he is the recipient of the 2 worst finals losses in history and he has gotten DESTROYED in 4 finals and should've won in 2011 and 2014.

And got outscored by a 33 year old midget in 2011. And gave up FMVP 4 times to his direct assignment. Come on man, too many holes on his resume.


Hi 3ball

Too bad ALL of LeBron's 3 rings are better than any of Jordan's 6

Literally

None of Jordan's rings are more impressive than ANY of LeBron's 3

Your move

#slayed

[Mr Feeny]

Which is half the game. And on top of that, plays a far inferior brand of ball than Kawhi. You play to win, not put up stats. Bron fans can't grasp this concept. LOL.

They do grasp it. But it pains them seeing Kawhi get universally acclaimed as the greatest player in basketball. So they're doing the best they can (while gritting their teeth and wiping away tears) to tell everyone that defense (half the game) doesnt matter, and that counting stats mean more than winning. Even though Kawhi just showed that he can beat the Curry-Klay-Draymond warriors in less than 7 games without a single other superstar, and without everyone acting as if it's a miracle.

[nashwade]

cos a Clippers team with 43 year old Vince Carter and Jeremy Lin in the starting lineup can beat the GSW team we just saw in the Finals

no disrespect to Kawhi but Lebron's Cavs team last year would have taken the Finals this year 4-1

[Gileraracer]

[QUOTE=Gus Hemmingway]....


It

[Gileraracer]

Why was 28ppg on 43% with 4 assists enough for Kawhi to win in 6 games?


Why did LeBron lose in 4 with 35ppg on 54% with 10 assists?

Because Lebron ball happened.

[sportjames23]

Another thing that sticks out about Bron is that when he wins, he barely wins. His only decisive ring was 2012. The other 2 went 7 and he needed 2 of the biggest shots in history by teammates to win.

On the flip side, he is the recipient of the 2 worst finals losses in history and he has gotten DESTROYED in 4 finals and should've won in 2011 and 2014.

And got outscored by a 33 year old midget in 2011. And gave up FMVP 4 times to his direct assignment. Come on man, too many holes on his resume.


Damn, when you break it down like that...not a good look for Bron. I'ma have to drop him out of my Top 50 now. :eek:

[Mr Feeny]

cos a Clippers team with 43 year old Vince Carter and Jeremy Lin in the starting lineup can beat the GSW team we just saw in the Finals

no disrespect to Kawhi but Lebron's Cavs team last year would have taken the Finals this year 4-1

We've already seen Lebron against the Curry-Klay-Green Warriors. He needs a 27 ppg second option who hits the title winning shot on an isolation against the reigning MVP in game 7, to win.

Kawhi just beat them more decisively, without anywhere near the players Lebron had.

[Spurs m8]

Of course this thread is started by someone who only cares about empty stats...and not winning

[SamuraiSWISH]

Which is half the game. And on top of that, plays a far inferior brand of ball than Kawhi. You play to win, not put up stats. Bron fans can't grasp this concept. LOL.
Neither can LeBron


They do grasp it. But it pains them seeing Kawhi get universally acclaimed as the greatest player in basketball. So they're doing the best they can (while gritting their teeth and wiping away tears) to tell everyone that defense (half the game) doesnt matter, and that counting stats mean more than winning. Even though Kawhi just showed that he can beat the Curry-Klay-Draymond warriors in less than 7 games without a single other superstar, and without everyone acting as if it's a miracle.:eek: :oldlol:

[Phoenix]

Jesus Christ, and I just bought some salt yesterday when I got my groceries. All I needed to do was open this thread.

[Bronbron23]

[QUOTE=Gus Hemmingway]....


It

[Manny98]

Another thing that sticks out about Bron is that when he wins, he barely wins. His only decisive ring was 2012. The other 2 went 7 and he needed 2 of the biggest shots in history by teammates to win.

On the flip side, he is the recipient of the 2 worst finals losses in history and he has gotten DESTROYED in 4 finals and should've won in 2011 and 2014.

And got outscored by a 33 year old midget in 2011. And gave up FMVP 4 times to his direct assignment. Come on man, too many holes on his resume.
So we're punishing LeBron for actually playing great teams in the finals unlike a certain someone :lol

[r0drig0lac]

Jesus Christ, and I just bought some salt yesterday when I got my groceries. All I needed to do was open this thread.
:lol

[The Iron Fist]

Another thing that sticks out about Bron is that when he wins, he barely wins. His only decisive ring was 2012. The other 2 went 7 and he needed 2 of the biggest shots in history by teammates to win.

On the flip side, he is the recipient of the 2 worst finals losses in history and he has gotten DESTROYED in 4 finals and should've won in 2011 and 2014.

And got outscored by a 33 year old midget in 2011. And gave up FMVP 4 times to his direct assignment. Come on man, too many holes on his resume.
:hammertime:

Please Hammer Don

[StrongLurk]

Kawhi had a great playoff run and a very good finals appearance.

However he is still not better than healthy KD and definitely not better than prime Lebron.

[TheMan]

But WHY? You cant answer that

35 ppg on 54% shooting while getting 10 assists got LeBron swept


28 ppg on 43% and 4 assists gets Kawhi a win in 6 games?
Again, people are already explaining this to you but maybe you're just slow like the rest of the Bran fam... LeBron needs to score a lot more because he's a turnstile on defense, he needs to score more because he's giving up a lot of points...why don't you post KD's stats? You'll find your answer there :lol

Maybe if he would put up a bit more resistance, he wouldn't need to score so much but hey everybody, look at Bran's stats!!!

[TheMan]

Jesus Christ, and I just bought some salt yesterday when I got my groceries. All I needed to do was open this thread.
:oldlol:

[bluechox2]

lebron needed more points cus he played with 2 other allstars and could have gotten curry'd out of a mvp trophy

[Manny98]

Again, people are already explaining this to you but maybe you're just slow like the rest of the Bran fam... LeBron needs to score a lot more because he's a turnstile on defense, he needs to score more because he's giving up a lot of points...why don't you post KD's stats? You'll find your answer there :lol

Maybe if he would put up a bit more resistance, he wouldn't need to score so much but hey everybody, look at Bran's stats!!!
LeBron had better defensive stats this season than Kawhi :confusedshrug:

[Gileraracer]

LeBron had better defensive stats this season than Kawhi :confusedshrug:


but but but but but STATS :cry: :cry:

you should start watching bball instead of statsheets

[LAmbruh]

1 day released and already a 5 page masterpiece



GUS DID AGAIN!:banana:

[Mr Feeny]

As everyone has said, Kawhi was incredible. Beating the Curry-Klay-green warriors without needing a 27ppg sidekick:lol

[Phoenix]

LeBron had better defensive stats this season than Kawhi :confusedshrug:


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NextSickIbadanmalimbe-small.gif

[Gus Hemmingway]

As everyone has said, Kawhi was incredible. Beating the Curry-Klay-green warriors without needing a 27ppg sidekick:lol

He just needed to join a #1 seed in the offseason :lol



While LeBron joined a 33 win team and beat a 73 win Warriors :lol

[Mr Feeny]

He just needed to join a #1 seed in the offseason :lol



While LeBron joined a 33 win team and beat a 73 win Warriors :lol

He joined a team with no superstars and won them their 1st ever title against the warriors, without a single superstar. Lebron had 2 superstars and needed 7 games.

[Hey Yo]

As everyone has said, Kawhi was incredible. Beating the Curry-Klay-green warriors without needing a 27ppg sidekick:lol
Kawits 2nd and 3rd options combined to avg. 36ppg, compared to the Cavs 35.6ppg for their 2nd and 3rd option

Another day, another L for you.

[Mr Feeny]

Kawits 2nd and 3rd options combined to avg. 36ppg, compared to the Cavs 35.6ppg for their 2nd and 3rd option

Another day, another L for you.

Ah here is my 2nd lapdog. So Kawhi elevates his teammates in ways Lebron can't?
Great. That is another reason that hes better than Lebron.

[Hey Yo]

Ah here is my 2nd lapdog. So Kawhi elevates his teammates in ways Lebron can't?
Great. That is another reason that hes better than Lebron.
But you just boasted about Kyrie avg. 27ppg.

If that's not elevating, then what do you call it?

[Mr Feeny]

But you just boasted about Kyrie avg. 27ppg.

If that's not elevating, then what do you call it?

Kyrie Irving is a superstar though. There is nothing to boost.
The question is why Kawhi was able to take a much less talented team and ravage Golden state while your hero needed a 7th game and needed Kyrie to isolate the MVP to save him.

[Hey Yo]

Kyrie Irving is a superstar though. There is nothing to boost.
The question is why Kawhi was able to take a much less talented team and ravage Golden state while your hero needed a 7th game and needed Kyrie to isolate the MVP to save him.
:oldlol:

Your trolling is horrible, Chico. You got caught and now triggered into talking dumb shit.

My work is done. Like I said, another day another L for you. Wayyyyyy tooooo easy.

[Mr Feeny]

:oldlol:

Your trolling is horrible, Chico. You got caught and now triggered into talking dumb shit.

My work is done. Like I said, another day another L for you. Wayyyyyy tooooo easy.

Ah. Done and dusted I guess. Adios.

[TheCorporation]

Hi 3ball

Too bad ALL of LeBron's 3 rings are better than any of Jordan's 6

Literally

None of Jordan's rings are more impressive than ANY of LeBron's 3

Your move

#slayed

Shook?

[TheCorporation]

Kyrie Irving is a superstar though. There is nothing to boost.
The question is why Kawhi was able to take a much less talented team and ravage Golden state while your hero needed a 7th game and needed Kyrie to isolate the MVP to save him.

Trolling went too far here...Mods

Lock this chico up

[tontoz]

Lebron stans conveniently ignore that Kawhi had a TS over 60% in the Finals and averaged 10 rebounds. Predictable as sunrise.

Kawhi is celebrated for his entire playoff run, not just the Finals.

[Gus Hemmingway]

Lebron stans conveniently ignore that Kawhi had a TS over 60% in the Finals and averaged 10 rebounds. Predictable as sunrise.

Kawhi is celebrated for his entire playoff run, not just the Finals.


It's still worse than all of LeBrons playoff runs

[TheCorporation]

Lebron stans conveniently ignore that Kawhi had a TS over 60% in the Finals and averaged 10 rebounds. Predictable as sunrise.

Kawhi is celebrated for his entire playoff run, not just the Finals.

TS% :lol

He shoots good free throws, nice!

Pros: Good free throw shooter
Cons: Stopped playing defense for the last 2 years

:lol

[tontoz]

TS% :lol

He shoots good free throws, nice!

Pros: Good free throw shooter
Cons: Stopped playing defense for the last 2 years

:lol


I can certainly understand why a Lebron stan downplays foul shooting. :lol

Kawhi also attempted 7 threes per game in the Finals, 6 attempts overall in the playoffs.

I think Giannis would probably disagree that Kawhi stopped playing defense.

Using FG% shows your obvious Lebron bias, or a lack of math understanding.

[Phoenix]

Cons: Stopped playing defense for the last 2 years

:lol

https://media.giphy.com/media/1BGPLg0KIG7zpIwLQc/giphy.gif

No Lebron stan should ever say anything about defense in the last 2 years.

[Vino24]

op got every vile disgusting poster on this forum to post in one thread. accomplishment in and of itself :applause:

[egokiller]

Kyrie Irving is a superstar though. There is nothing to boost.
The question is why Kawhi was able to take a much less talented team and ravage Golden state while your hero needed a 7th game and needed Kyrie to isolate the MVP to save him.

Got his ass 3 times in a row the same chain of responses. :roll:

[TheCorporation]

op got every vile disgusting poster on this forum to post in one thread. accomplishment in and of itself :applause:


+1

[RealSkipBayless]

I can certainly understand why a Lebron stan downplays foul shooting. :lol


Lakers would've been in contention for playoffs if Bron didn't choke 4-5 games at the free throw line early-mid season. :lol

[3ball]

4 assists is fine and in line with the 4-7 assist range of nearly every championship #1 option in history..

Infact, players that averaged more than 8 assists have almost never won outside of Magic

Instead, nearly all the championship #1 options were timely scorers that averaged a lot of points.. high assists were neither here nor there..
.

[Gus Hemmingway]

4 assists is fine and in line with the 4-7 assist range of nearly every championship #1 option in history..

Infact, players that averaged more than 8 assists have almost never won outside of Magic

Instead, nearly all the championship #1 options were timely scorers that averaged a lot of points.. high assists were neither here nor there..
.


But 10 assists is more than double 4 assists


So if you only get 4 assists, you should at least average 44-50ppg to compensate


LeBron averaged 35 ppg and 10 assists, so Jordan and Kawhi can only be as good if they average 44-50ppg along with their 4 assists :confusedshrug:

[warriorfan]

I can certainly understand why a Lebron stan downplays foul shooting. :lol

Kawhi also attempted 7 threes per game in the Finals, 6 attempts overall in the playoffs.

I think Giannis would probably disagree that Kawhi stopped playing defense.

Using FG% shows your obvious Lebron bias, or a lack of math understanding.

What

[The Iron Fist]

I can certainly understand why a Lebron stan downplays foul shooting. :lol

.
But why downplay winning?

[red1]

kawhi has the highest winning percentage of any player in league history who actually played real minutes. look it up.




son is already an absolute legend.

[Bawkish]

Lebron stan: "gonna start another thread because this one got backfired"

a day in a life of a Bron stan in ISH. Pathetic :lol

[Manny98]

https://media.giphy.com/media/1BGPLg0KIG7zpIwLQc/giphy.gif

No Lebron stan should ever say anything about defense in the last 2 years.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/03/lebron-james-kyle-kuzma-push-defense

[Spurs m8]

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/03/lebron-james-kyle-kuzma-push-defense

Yes, its Kuzmas fault that Lebron cant rotate properly and also got in his way so he couldn't go with his man.

Like, how dumb are you actually?

Quit basketball already, you pathetic cvnt

[Uncle Drew]

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/03/lebron-james-kyle-kuzma-push-defense
We win again.

[Doranku]

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/03/lebron-james-kyle-kuzma-push-defense

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/andy.jpg

[3ball]

But 10 assists is more than double 4 assists


So if you only get 4 assists, you should at least average 44-50ppg to compensate


LeBron averaged 35 ppg and 10 assists, so Jordan and Kawhi can only be as good if they average 44-50ppg along with their 4 assists :confusedshrug:
Other than Magic, 8 assist guys almost never win because getting an assist turns teammates into play-finishers, or reduces their role

This is necessary to an extent but too many assists from 1 guy makes teammates too much of play-finishers and reduces their role too much

That's why 4-7 apg is optimal - nearly every #1 option that won averaged in this range, while almost no one won by averaging over 8 apg.. a player needs to be capable of 4-7 apg, but it's overkill after that
.

[Phoenix]

But 10 assists is more than double 4 assists


So if you only get 4 assists, you should at least average 44-50ppg to compensate


LeBron averaged 35 ppg and 10 assists, so Jordan and Kawhi can only be as good if they average 44-50ppg along with their 4 assists :confusedshrug:

If you look at the Raptors in the finals, the role players weren't merely assist targets, they were actively making plays for themselves. Vanvleet was out there creating shots, Siakim, Lowry, the bigs Serge and Gasol weren't merely 'get the rebound' cleanup guys so that keeps them engaged defensively. Kawhi was playing off his teammates, not the other way around. When the players are empowered to do more than wait for the pass everyone is uplifted. Try watching the game and not the boxscore, you might learn something.