More tainted ring? 2015 or 2019? [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

TheCorporation

06-26-2019, 10:02 AM

Which ring will be the bigger asterix?

2015 had Love and Irving missing in the Finals

2019 had KD and Klay missing in the Finals

How would Kawhi done without Siakam AND King Lowry?

Gileraracer

06-26-2019, 10:02 AM

2016

TheCorporation

06-26-2019, 10:04 AM

2016

Why did Adam Silver suspend Curry's scoring to 22.6 :(

Wally450

06-26-2019, 10:29 AM

2015 imo. Losing without KD also shows that the 2017 and 18 rings taint Curry's legacy.

Gileraracer

06-26-2019, 10:38 AM

Why did Adam Silver suspend Curry's scoring to 22.6 :(

He averaged 21.5 when they were up 3-1 so that wasn't the problem.

superduper

06-26-2019, 10:44 AM

Daily meltdowns by Bran stans only further validate both rings :applause:

Turbo Slayer

06-26-2019, 10:47 AM

2015 was an asterisk ring. Curry and the rest of the Warriors won against Lebron with no help whatsoever. Love was injured for the playoffs and Kyrie was injured for the 2015 NBA Finals.

In 2016 Curry couldn't win against a fully healthy Cavs team. He and the Warriors choked a 3-1 lead in the finals. He had to get KD for help. It proves that in the 2019 NBA Finals, Curry needed help desperately. Without KD they doomed.

It makes me question...what if the Warriors faced a healthy Cavs team in 2015. Would they win? Probably not. Whoa. If the Warriors lost in 2015 the KD trade would have never happened and we could have witnessed an exciting rivalry between GSW and Cavs instead of watching the boring finals in 17' and 18'.

It blows my mind.

Can you answer my questions: What if GSW faced a full-strength Cavs team in the 2015 NBA Finals? Would the KD trade happen?. Would there be a rivalry between GSW and Cavs?

I need your help, guys.

StrongLurk

06-26-2019, 10:55 AM

2015.

Imagine the 90's Bulls teams losing Pippen and Grant or Rodman in an NBA finals.

MJ would go off still...but no ring.

Bronbron23

06-26-2019, 10:58 AM

Which ring will be the bigger asterix?

2015 had Love and Irving missing in the Finals

2019 had KD and Klay missing in the Finals

How would Kawhi done without Siakam AND King Lowry?
2019 easily. Cavs still had the best player on the team and floor with LeBron. Warriors lost the best player on the team and floor. They also lost Klay who is probably there second best player when you take his defensive impact into account

StrongLurk

06-26-2019, 11:05 AM

2019 easily. Cavs still had the best player on the team and floor with LeBron. Warriors lost the best player on the team and floor. They also lost Klay who is probably there second best player when you take his defensive impact into account

Besides Lebron, Warriors had the next 4 best players easily in 2015.

TheCorporation

06-26-2019, 11:35 AM

2019 easily. Cavs still had the best player on the team and floor with LeBron. Warriors lost the best player on the team and floor. They also lost Klay who is probably there second best player when you take his defensive impact into account

:lol

Ditching your "BronBron" gimmick account already?

Bronbron23

06-26-2019, 11:35 AM

Besides Lebron, Warriors had the next 4 best players easily in 2015.
True but they still had LeBron who is the best player in the world and will go down as a top 5 ever and maybe best ever depending on what happens. There's a reason why teams will trade 3 or 4 really good players plus draft picks for one superstar. Warriors only had 2 guys who can score and both rely heavily on screens so if your defence is discipline enough they can be stopped or slowed down. Cleveland with Kyrie and love out were actually better defensively. They did a good job gaurding splash Bros in 15. If LeBron shoots 50% from the field cle wins that series. His lack of a jumper killed them.

This year with Klay and kd out warriors not only losed more offence than cle in 15 but they lost way more defence also. It's easily 2019

TheMan

06-26-2019, 11:47 AM

2015.

Imagine the 90's Bulls teams losing Pippen and Grant or Rodman in an NBA finals.

MJ would go off still...but no ring.
It happened...1998 :confusedshrug:

Pippen blew out his back in the ECFs, reaggravated in GM 6, played like a shell of his former self during those Finals (15.7 on 41%, MJ had to score more than double that)...Rodman's minutes were reduced, defensive liability Kukoc played more mins at PF) and basically was just relegated to bothering the Mailman...

MJ still got us the ring :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Bronbron23

06-26-2019, 11:48 AM

It happened...1998 :confusedshrug:

Pippen blew out his back in the ECFs, reaggravated in GM 6, played like a shell of his former self during those Finals (15.7 on 41%, MJ scored more than double that)...Rodman's minutes were reduced, defensive liability Kukoc played more mins at PF) and basically was just relegated to bothering the Mailman...

MJ still got us the ring :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Yup this

StrongLurk

06-26-2019, 12:04 PM

It happened...1998 :confusedshrug:

Pippen blew out his back in the ECFs, reaggravated in GM 6, played like a shell of his former self during those Finals (15.7 on 41%, MJ had to score more than double that)...Rodman's minutes were reduced, defensive liability Kukoc played more mins at PF) and basically was just relegated to bothering the Mailman...

MJ still got us the ring :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

You've been a pathetic troll for the past couple of weeks.

Pippen and Rodman played the whole series, a series MJ would have lost especially if Pippen only played game 1 (like Kyrie). So that situation isn't even close to 2015 Cavs.

Besides, the NBA was near it's weakest point of the modern era in the late 90's. Neither those Bulls or Jazz teams would make the finals this decade.

TheMan

06-26-2019, 12:37 PM

You've been a pathetic troll for the past couple of weeks.

Pippen and Rodman played the whole series, a series MJ would have lost especially if Pippen only played game 1 (like Kyrie). So that situation isn't even close to 2015 Cavs.

Besides, the NBA was near it's weakest point of the modern era in the late 90's. Neither those Bulls or Jazz teams would make the finals this decade.
And you call me a troll after posting this garbage...OK

TheCorporation

06-26-2019, 12:42 PM

You've been a pathetic troll for the past couple of weeks.

Pippen and Rodman played the whole series, a series MJ would have lost especially if Pippen only played game 1 (like Kyrie). So that situation isn't even close to 2015 Cavs.

Besides, the NBA was near it's weakest point of the modern era in the late 90's. Neither those Bulls or Jazz teams would make the finals this decade.

TheMan is a troll with a tranny avatar. Two strikes already on that dude!

Also, the only game Kyrie played in 2015 Finals the Cavs lost. I know you know that, but it's funny to note :lol

Mr Feeny

06-26-2019, 12:43 PM

You've been a pathetic troll for the past couple of weeks.

Pippen and Rodman played the whole series, a series MJ would have lost especially if Pippen only played game 1 (like Kyrie). So that situation isn't even close to 2015 Cavs.

Besides, the NBA was near it's weakest point of the modern era in the late 90's. Neither those Bulls or Jazz teams would make the finals this decade.

Kawhi just made the finals and beat the Warriors without a single superstar. Get real.

TheCorporation

06-26-2019, 12:45 PM

Kawhi just made the finals and beat the Warriors without a single superstar. Get real.

Siakam putting up 20-8-4 on 51% with elite defense
King Lowry all-star
Danny Green (great 3 and D guy)
Gasol (DPOY winner)
Ibaka (DPOY candidate, solid big)
Vanvleet (watched the Delly tapes)

Get real.

Mr Feeny

06-26-2019, 12:46 PM

Siakam putting up 20-8-4 on 51% with elite defense
King Lowry all-star
Danny Green (great 3 and D guy)
Gasol (DPOY winner)
Ibaka (DPOY candidate, solid big)
Vanvleet (watched the Delly tapes)

Get real.

We already know that Kawhi can elevate mediocre players more than anyone at the moment. Part of the reason hes the best player on the planet. Doesnt make them superstars.

TheCorporation

06-26-2019, 12:52 PM

We already know that Kawhi can elevate mediocre players more than anyone at the moment. Part of the reason hes the best player on the planet. Doesnt make them superstars.

Are we talking about the team that won 59 games with Demar the previous year? And then you replace DeMar for Kawhi, Gasol, and Green and expect what? :lol

Are we also talking about the same team that went 17-5 without Kawhi this year? LeBron has skewed our perception of Toronto for making them his whipping boy. They are a great team, period.

ArbitraryWater

06-26-2019, 12:53 PM

gotta be 2015

2019 was only 1 player and they still had a finals level squad

TheCorporation

06-26-2019, 12:54 PM

gotta be 2015

2019 was only 1 player and they still had a finals level squad

Big truth bomb

KaBoom

TheMan

06-26-2019, 12:56 PM

TheMan is a troll with a tranny avatar. Two strikes already on that dude!

Also, the only game Kyrie played in 2015 Finals the Cavs lost. I know you know that, but it's funny to note :lol
Sez the guy with an actual Taiwanese tranny :roll:

Mr Feeny

06-26-2019, 12:59 PM

Are we talking about the team that won 59 games with Demar the previous year? And then you replace DeMar for Kawhi, Gasol, and Green and expect what? :lol

Are we also talking about the same team that went 17-5 without Kawhi this year? LeBron has skewed our perception of Toronto for making them his whipping boy. They are a great team, period.

We are talking about the team that never made a final in their history then immediately ending the Warriors's dynasty. Yeah, Kawhi is tremendous. Now stick to the thread topic.

StrongLurk

06-26-2019, 12:59 PM

We already know that Kawhi can elevate mediocre players more than anyone at the moment. Part of the reason hes the best player on the planet. Doesnt make them superstars.

Kawhi doesn't elevate teammates, he's not the vocal leader of the team or a playmaker...

The raptors role players KILLED it in iso situtations/shooting the 3 and LOWRY was the player running the offense.

TheCorporation

06-26-2019, 01:06 PM

Sez the guy with an actual Taiwanese tranny :roll:

Says the guy with an actual pale faced tranny :roll:

Mr Feeny

06-26-2019, 01:07 PM

Kawhi doesn't elevate teammates, he's not the vocal leader of the team or a playmaker...

The raptors role players KILLED it in iso situtations/shooting the 3 and LOWRY was the player running the offense.

They killed it when the ball movement was spectacular. And he allowed his teammates to shine. One thing he didnt feel the need to do was hold the ball for 20 seconds before passing it to a shooter to make sure he got an assist. He was all about winning and just ended the GS dynasty.

TheCorporation

06-26-2019, 01:07 PM

We are talking about the team that never made a final in their history then immediately ending the Warriors's dynasty. Yeah, Kawhi is tremendous. Now stick to the thread topic.

So Kawhi joins a 59 win team and adds Marc Gasol and Danny Green = Congrats

But if anyone else did this...

TheCorporation

06-26-2019, 01:07 PM

StrongLurk

06-26-2019, 01:11 PM

They killed it when the ball movement was spectacular. And he allowed his teammates to shine. One thing he didnt feel the need to do was hold the ball for 20 seconds before passing it to a shooter to make sure he got an assist. He was all about winning and just ended the GS dynasty.

You can try to pretend to be objective but we see through you.

TheCorporation

06-26-2019, 01:13 PM

So Kawhi joins a 59 win team and adds Marc Gasol and Danny Green = Congrats

But if anyone else did this...

Anyone?

Gougou

06-26-2019, 01:51 PM

2015.

With Love and Kyrie Cleveland would win for sure.

Love probably won't choke tho.

TheCorporation

06-26-2019, 01:54 PM

2015.

With Love and Kyrie Cleveland would win for sure.

Love probably won't choke tho.

True. Big time true.

RealSkipBayless

06-26-2019, 02:50 PM

TheCorporation

06-26-2019, 02:58 PM

2015.

It was amazing that Lebron was even up in that series with his 2nd option being
Mozgov. He had no chance.

2019 the warriors had a slim chance, but Curry choked once again in the playoffs. Even though GS was riddled with injuries and had a weaker/less deep team.. if ur that dude and want to be top 15 you carry the load..

Wait, an honest post from you? :eek:

Refreshing :cheers:

Hey Yo

06-26-2019, 03:05 PM

StrongLurk

06-26-2019, 03:06 PM

2015.

It was amazing that Lebron was even up in that series with his 2nd option being
Mozgov. He had no chance.

2019 the warriors had a slim chance, but Curry choked once again in the playoffs. Even though GS was riddled with injuries and had a weaker/less deep team.. if ur that dude and want to be top 15 you carry the load..

Curry didn't choke...he had a great series. You definitely didn't watch.

If you think Curry choked these finals, then so did 90% of other superstars in the finals.

SouBeachTalents

06-26-2019, 03:15 PM

It happened...1998 :confusedshrug:

Pippen blew out his back in the ECFs, reaggravated in GM 6, played like a shell of his former self during those Finals (15.7 on 41%, MJ had to score more than double that)...Rodman's minutes were reduced, defensive liability Kukoc played more mins at PF) and basically was just relegated to bothering the Mailman...

MJ still got us the ring :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Statements like that make me think you legit didn't watch those Finals. Pippen played phenomenal defense the first 4 games to help the Bulls take a 3-1 lead. He was even getting pretty significant consideration for Finals MVP

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-06-11-9806110397-story.html
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/635114/What-about-Pippen-for-NBA-Finals-MVP.html
https://www.apnews.com/778ed9711147fd5917209bbf1c8c2091
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/nba/longterm/1998/finals/articles/pippen09.htm

TheMan

06-26-2019, 03:26 PM

Statements like that make me think you legit didn't watch those Finals. Pippen played phenomenal defense the first 4 games to help the Bulls take a 3-1 lead. He was even getting pretty significant consideration for Finals MVP

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-06-11-9806110397-story.html
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/635114/What-about-Pippen-for-NBA-Finals-MVP.html
https://www.apnews.com/778ed9711147fd5917209bbf1c8c2091
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/nba/longterm/1998/finals/articles/pippen09.htm
The Bulls as a whole played great defense...Scottie played below his usual standards on offense, 15.7 ppg :confusedshrug:

Did he or did he not hurt his back and missed a large part of GM 6? MJ carried a larger share of the offense that series, he carried the Bulls to the title, making the series clinching shot, nice effort by Pip in the first four games but he didn't close it out, it was MJ...he doesn't make that iconic shot, they go to GM 7 in Utha and who knows what would happen.

RealSkipBayless

06-26-2019, 03:42 PM

Curry didn't choke...he had a great series. You definitely didn't watch.

If you think Curry choked these finals, then so did 90% of other superstars in the finals.
Did you watch? All I saw was him chucking them out of games and when his safety blanket Thompson checked out he was toast.

egokiller

06-26-2019, 03:43 PM

2016 was the most tainted as a guy was suspended for game 5 that would have decided the series.

StrongLurk

06-26-2019, 03:48 PM

Did you watch? All I saw was him chucking them out of games and when his safety blanket Thompson checked out he was toast.

He put up 31/5/6 for the series. He didn't choke.

RealSkipBayless

06-26-2019, 04:17 PM

Why did Curry shoot 40% in the finals and 30% while getting out scored by Iggy in a pivotal game 6?

Anyone know?

StrongLurk

06-26-2019, 04:57 PM

Why did Curry shoot 40% in the finals and 30% while getting out scored by Iggy in a pivotal game 6?

Anyone know?

Curry shot 59.8TS for the series, Kawhi was 60.6TS for the series.

Kawhi was outscored by TWO teammates in game 6 and was matched points wise by a THIRD teammate in game 6.

So did Kawhi choke?

egokiller

06-26-2019, 05:10 PM

Curry shot 59.8TS for the series, Kawhi was 60.6TS for the series.

Kawhi was outscored by TWO teammates in game 6 and was matched points wise by a THIRD teammate in game 6.

So did Kawhi choke?

Stop watching only boxscore. kawhi was double teamed, hence passing out of it and getting outscored. :applause:

houston

06-26-2019, 05:13 PM

no ring is tainted but 2019 Kawhi need to 22 games for rest. a player in his prime no less

Rico2016

06-26-2019, 07:32 PM