Democratic Presidential Debates - night 1 - 6-26-19

[Shogon]

Welp, so far, a bunch of dishonest pieces of shit... and Tulsi Gabbard.

Gabbard would get my vote out of all of the shit I've heard fall out of these people's mouths so far.

[Shogon]

I might also add, the only two policies I give the least of a shit about on a national level are...

monetary policy...

and...

foreign policy...

and since I know that nobody is going to do a damn ****ing thing about monetary policy, that's going to get elected, anyways... that leaves foreign policy.

Give me Gabbard.

[1987_Lakers]

Corey Booker seems passionate.

[scuzzy]

stacked lineup



no excuses dems

[Derka]

They all. Say. The same. Thing. Anyone playing Dem Debate Bingo?

[SomeBlackDude]

this is stupid. way too many people. need to thin out the herd bigly before real debates can go down.

all the gringo spanish is cringe. :facepalm

[Shogon]

https://i.postimg.cc/JhKJz7LM/haha.png

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Derka]

Probably because he understands every fifth word these people are saying :lol

Expert level trolling though.

[scuzzy]

https://i.postimg.cc/JhKJz7LM/haha.png

:roll: :roll: :roll:
:yaohappy:


i'm gonna miss Donny, idgaf


once in a lifetime POTUS

[Derka]

NBC can

[Patrick Chewing]

Demons. All of them.

[diamenz]

let's just thank god oprah or the rock wasn't on the stage.

[Lakers Legend#32]

let's just thank god oprah or the rock wasn't on the stage.

Republicans are the ones who run celebrity presidents, Reagan, Trump.

[bladefd]

We won't get anything other than sound bites until we can cut it down to around 6 people. There are way too many voices right now that we are all over the place. Give it until September when 20 candidates is down to 8 then we can really start gauging who stands where.

[Cleverness]

No Michael Avenatti tonight?

Who's got the best plan to pay down the national debt? Or was that not even a topic worthy of discussion :lol

[Hawker]

No Michael Avenatti tonight?

Who's got the best plan to pay down the national debt? Or was that not even a topic worthy of discussion :lol

Free stuff brah

[dunksby]

Fact check:
[QUOTE]JAY INSLEE, Washington

[GimmeThat]

why I went to the business school and never became an investment banker?

I got a big mouth

[SomeBlackDude]

Who's got the best plan to pay down the national debt?

only one man for the job :D

donald j. tru-

The US budget deficit skyrocketed to a record $207.8 billion in May (https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/us-deficit-federal-budget-short-record-amount-in-may-2019-6-1028274824)

U.S. budget deficit up nearly 40% from last year (https://www.axios.com/us-budget-deficit-billion-3584c081-7323-40a3-b23f-1ea38eab4db3.html)

oh. :ohwell:

[Real Men Wear Green]

Eric Swallwell's campaign platform appears to be that Joe Biden is old.

[Cleverness]

Raise your hand if your government healthcare plan would provide coverage for illegal immigrants:

https://twitter.com/FrancisBrennan/status/1144421688907587584

https://media.giphy.com/media/cGbdpnJqQOt5C/giphy.gif

[Vino24]

Why can

[Patrick Chewing]

Raise your hand if your government healthcare plan would provide coverage for illegal immigrants:

https://twitter.com/FrancisBrennan/status/1144421688907587584

https://media.giphy.com/media/cGbdpnJqQOt5C/giphy.gif


They're literally saying that anyone who steps foot in this country from anywhere in the world will get free health insurance. Even if they're just visiting or on vacation. So at this point, the entire world outside of the United States can get free health insurance with their plan.


One word: MADNESS

[Hawker]

They're literally saying that anyone who steps foot in this country from anywhere in the world will get free health insurance. Even if they're just visiting or on vacation. So at this point, the entire world outside of the United States can get free health insurance with their plan.


One word: MADNESS

Dems are no longer allowed to say we should be like other countries health systems anymore.

None of these other countries allow illegals to use their public healthcare system.

[Patrick Chewing]

What frustrates me is that no one sees the truth behind this. The Democrats are just pandering. They couldn't care less about these people. It's all about votes. They want to offer them free health insurance and they want to allow them to vote and they want these immigrants to vote for them because they fought for them. And what's sad is that it's at the expense of every other hard-working American.

The Black vote? Who cares! They know that Latinos are the future majority demographic in this country. They are planting the seeds for several generations of voting power to go their way.

[highwhey]

Raise your hand if your government healthcare plan would provide coverage for illegal immigrants:

https://media3.giphy.com/media/dCACCxP278S7LLgQ2r/source.gif

[Loco 50]

They're literally saying that anyone who steps foot in this country from anywhere in the world will get free health insurance. Even if they're just visiting or on vacation. So at this point, the entire world outside of the United States can get free health insurance with their plan.


One word: MADNESS

Guess what? I actually help provide the care. I'll treat whoever is sick.

Thanks for your "concern" though.

Your gripe is with cost of care, which is inexcusable.

Both sides of the political aisle are at fault for protecting unforgiveable greedy actions from insurance/hospitals/some doctors.

But, the politicians are savvy. They protect who feeds them of course.

[stalkerforlife]

LMFAO @ this 'woke' fest.

So cringe.

[Patrick Chewing]

Guess what? I actually help provide the care. I'll treat whoever is sick.



How do you get paid then, hot shot??

[bladefd]

What frustrates me is that no one sees the truth behind this. The Democrats are just pandering. They couldn't care less about these people. It's all about votes. They want to offer them free health insurance and they want to allow them to vote and they want these immigrants to vote for them because they fought for them. And what's sad is that it's at the expense of every other hard-working American.

The Black vote? Who cares! They know that Latinos are the future majority demographic in this country. They are planting the seeds for several generations of voting power to go their way.

It's oh-so-clear you didn't watch the 2015 Republican primary debates and the promises made through pandering. When you have 20 people trying to keep a foothold, pandering is how candidates try to stand out. Hell, that is what you will see until the herd thins out and people have more time to speak. Right now, you get 45 seconds or 60 seconds soundbites to questions that not everyone answers.

[dude77]

Raise your hand if your government healthcare plan would provide coverage for illegal immigrants:

https://twitter.com/FrancisBrennan/status/1144421688907587584

https://media.giphy.com/media/cGbdpnJqQOt5C/giphy.gif


what's even more :facepalm is the audience clapping and hollering :wtf:

also lol@creepy joe waiting to see who raised their hand first

[Nanners]

What frustrates me is that no one sees the truth behind this. The Democrats are just pandering. They couldn't care less about these people. It's all about votes. They want to offer them free health insurance and they want to allow them to vote and they want these immigrants to vote for them because they fought for them. And what's sad is that it's at the expense of every other hard-working American.

You just described literally every political debate ever


The Black vote? Who cares! They know that Latinos are the future majority demographic in this country. They are planting the seeds for several generations of voting power to go their way.

Its amazing that dems still have the black vote considering what they have done to the black community in this country. Joe Biden was the author of the 1990s "tough on crime" bill that created the state of mass incarceration for black men that we have today in this country, and Bill Clinton signed that bill into law. Bill Clinton was also instrumental in destroying the black family unit, not just through the crime bill that locked up black males but also with his "welfare reform" rules .... today like ~70% of black households are single-parent, while the number is like 25% for whites and 35% for hispanics.

[dunksby]

Fact check for the second debate:
[QUOTE]BERNIE SANDERS:

[Hawker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i38YsWShRI0

Trump used the outage from the other night as re-election campaign ad. Genius. :lol

Man those candidates are being BRUTAL to Biden.

[Nanners]

Fact check for the second debate:

interesting choice of bold text for the part about m4a. Heres how I would have done it


SANDERS: Under Medicare for All, “the vast majority of the people in this country will be paying significantly less for health care than they are now.”

THE FACTS: Probably true, but that’s only part of the equation for a family. Sanders’ plan for a government-run health care system to replace private insurance calls for no premiums, and no copays and deductibles. But taxes would have to go up significantly as the government takes on trillions of dollars in health care costs now covered by employers and individuals.

Independent studies estimate the government would be spending an additional $28 trillion to $36 trillion over 10 years, although Medicare for All supporters say that’s overstating it.

Between private costs and public costs of our govt-backed healthcare programs to taxpayers, US citizens are currently paying an average of $9k per capita for healthcare each year, which is the most expensive on the planet BY FAR. Aside from the Swiss, Norway and Netherlands, no other country on the planet currently has a public+private combined cost of more than $5k per capita.

With our current system, about half of the ~9k per capita is currently paid for by taxpayer funded programs like medicare and medicaid, while the other half comes out of the pockets of private citizens. While the US government is currently spending ~4.5k per capita of taxpayer dollars for medicare+medicaid, countries like France are able to offer nearly the entire country a govt-backed single-payer healthcare plan for just ~3.5k per capita of taxpayer dollars... and their cheaper govt-managed healthcare outperforms our expensive privatized system by virtually every measurable metric.

Unless you think that countries like France are vastly more intelligent and functional than the US (lol), theres no reason why the US shouldnt be able to get full universal coverage without spending a penny more in taxes than we are already paying... the only thing stopping us is the fact that barely any politicians are willing to stand up for the interests of the american people instead of the greedy sociopathic pharma companies and parasitic private insurers.

[RoseCity07]

Not going to watch the debates. I'd vote for Warren and Harris. Bernie needs to give it up. He's an independent and his promises of ice cream and pizza for life are never going to happen.

Warren and Harris are far more intelligent and competent than Trump. Dems are going to to show up this time. It's going to be a blood bath. Trump barely won even though he got spanked by 3 million votes. Now it's going to be a 5-10 million vote loss and he ain't winning by like 2 votes a precinct like he did in the key states.

[Nanners]

Not going to watch the debates. I'd vote for Warren and Harris. Bernie needs to give it up. He's an independent and his promises of ice cream and pizza for life are never going to happen.

Warren and Harris are far more intelligent and competent than Trump. Dems are going to to show up this time. It's going to be a blood bath. Trump barely won even though he got spanked by 3 million votes. Now it's going to be a 5-10 million vote loss and he ain't winning by like 2 votes a precinct like he did in the key states.

:oldlol:

Warren is a do-nothing liar fake progressive who was a republican until her mid 50s, and Harris has accomplished literally nothing in her short political career aside from jailing the poor and vulnerable while sleeping her way to the top of the California politics. Neither of them are remotely intelligent or competent... and if either wins the dem primary (wont happen without some rigging), they will get absolutely exposed and destroyed by Trump in the general.

Regardless of whether Bernie is an "independent" or "socialist" or any other labels people use on him, there is no denying the fact that he has the highest approval rating of any politician in the entire country, and theres no denying that his policies and beliefs are the furthest left out of every dem candidate running (with the possible exception of Tulsi). If the dems actually wanted to win, they would throw the entire weight of the party behind Bernie... but that will never happen because they would much rather continue to support useless neoliberals like Warren/Harris and washed-up losers like Hillary/Biden.

The modern dems are pretty much the Washington Generals to the republican Harlem Globetrotters...they basically exist to get dunked on. When was the last time the dem party scored a big win on the republicans?

[RoseCity07]

:oldlol:

Warren is a do-nothing liar fake progressive who was a republican until her mid 50s, and Harris has accomplished literally nothing in her short political career aside from jailing the poor and vulnerable while sleeping her way to the top of the California politics. Neither of them are remotely intelligent or competent... and if either wins the dem primary (wont happen without some rigging), they will get absolutely exposed and destroyed by Trump in the general.

Regardless of whether Bernie is an "independent" or "socialist" or any other labels people use on him, there is no denying the fact that he has the highest approval rating of any politician in the entire country, and theres no denying that his policies and beliefs are the furthest left out of every dem candidate running (with the possible exception of Tulsi). If the dems actually wanted to win, they would throw the entire weight of the party behind Bernie... but that will never happen because they would much rather continue to support useless neoliberals like Warren/Harris and washed-up losers like Hillary/Biden.

The modern dems are pretty much the Washington Generals to the republican Harlem Globetrotters...they basically exist to get dunked on. When was the last time the dem party scored a big win on the republicans?

Obama utterly destroyed McCain and Romney. Hillary, with all the scandal bullshit beat Trump by 3 million votes.:oldlol:

Trump is done. Voters didn't get out because they though Trump was such a joke they didn't need to vote. That's not going to happen again. All your bullshit reasoning amounts to nothing. Harris and Warren are better than Trump. Believe whatever makes you feel better.

[Nanners]

Obama utterly destroyed McCain and Romney. Hillary, with all the scandal bullshit beat Trump by 3 million votes.:oldlol:

Yes, Obama won against an old detested neocon and Sarah Palin while the nation was in the middle of an economic collapse and sick and tired of the neocon wars... and Hillary (supposedly the most qualified candidate of all time) lost to a ****ing jabroni-ass game show host, despite receiving support from virtually every media source on the planet... how impressive! LOL


Trump is done. Voters didn't get out because they though Trump was such a joke they didn't need to vote. That's not going to happen again. All your bullshit reasoning amounts to nothing. Harris and Warren are better than Trump. Believe whatever makes you feel better.

Voters didnt come out for Hillary because she was a fundamentally unlikeable candidate who cheated her progressive primary opponent out of a fair election while carrying an absolute mountain of toxic baggage with her. If the dems nominate another neoliberal do-nothing corporate drone like Harris or Warren, the voters will stay home again.

Bernie is the dems only viable chance at beating Trump. His policies are wildly popular (notice how all the other dem candidates are copying his policies), he polls better against Trump than any other candidate, he has the highest favorability rating of any mainstream politician in the entire US government, and unlike every other dem candidate (aside from maybe tulsi) he actually is viewed favorably by a fairly large portion of republicans.

[Hey Yo]

A man who would like to be President of the United States said on national TV debate last night that men who think they are women should also have unfettered access to abortion. And nobody laughed. That

[Patrick Chewing]

Not going to watch the debates. I'd vote for Warren and Harris.

:facepalm

That's not how it's supposed to work, genius. How do you think Trump won his primary? How do you think he won the Presidency? And you can't say "Russia!" this time.

[bladefd]

I thought Mayor Pete looked composed and didn't go on irrelevant rants like Biden and Gillibrand. Harris was decent but that busing argument came out of the left field. She acts bit too righteous as if only she understands race-related issues and everyone else is an ignorant moron. Andrew Yang seems intelligent but $1000 for every citizen each month? D.O.A. Hickenlooper seems zzzz. Bill de Blasio seemed fine yesterday, but he won't last through 10 debates. Some of them like Michael Bennett would be good as vice-president but has no business running for president.

We really need the herd to thin out.

[diamenz]

i think in the end, warren is the left's best chance at beating trump. she's populist, not as radical as sanders and can't be labeled as an establishment puppet. she has a way of painting a picture and getting her point across - something bernie always lacked. bernie can't appeal to older voters, moderates and southern black voters, and while he COULD could win without those constituencies, it's gonna be real hard. anything could happen, though. aside from all that, any moderate democratic nominee would get trumped in the general, including biden.

we should see a big drop in biden's and possibly even sander's poll numbers as people get to know these candidates... i just wanna see biden crash, to be honest. it'll be a trip watching the media flip out about their beloved 'safe, electable, sure-to-beat trump' candidate.

[DukeDelonte13]

i just want to be able to buy into a federal employee's health care plan.

Is that so f*cking crazy? Why does everyone have to go from 0 to 100.

I'll gladly pay a major premium over what they have to pay.

Its killing small business owners to pay a small fortune every month just so they have the right to pay a giant deductible just to see a f*cking doctor.

[stalkerforlife]

Bernie is brilliant for proposing free college and elimination of student debt by taxing Wall Street.

Great idea.

[bladefd]

i just want to be able to buy into a federal employee's health care plan.

Is that so f*cking crazy? Why does everyone have to go from 0 to 100.

I'll gladly pay a major premium over what they have to pay.

Its killing small business owners to pay a small fortune every month just so they have the right to pay a giant deductible just to see a f*cking doctor.

Yeah, it's a clusterf*ck for tons and tons of people. They pay insane premiums each month and still have to pay massive amount on top of that for deducible before insurance even kicks in. That doesn't even include co-pay, which varies by service/clinic and inside agreements between insurance/BigPharma/clinic or hospital.

You are not privy to those agreements. I had an argument once over this very issue when I got a MRI test done - they sent me a bill of random amount (like $200 something), and I called to ask how bill breaks down. Lady told me they had a certain agreement with insurance but wouldn't tell me how much the insurance was paying or what their agreed upon rate was. It's a behind-doors agreement and varies by clinic/hospital/physician. For same exact service 2 blocks down, same insurance plan will usually pay different amounts (sometimes it varies by significant amounts).

Insurance is a fraud in this country, and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. It's not even about opinions differing -- objectively looking at it shows it's a fraud.

There needs to be a complete upheaval. We need a public option and open up cross-state healthcare plans. I would push hard for universal healthcare for citizens and still have some private insurances for those who are not citizens or the wealthy who use private clinics/physicians. Taxes can go up 7-8k but eliminate premiums/deductibles/co-pays in return. I don't expect to switch to universal healthcare overnight like Bernie wants, but it will have to be gradual over 5yrs but it's doable :confusedshrug:

[Nanners]

I don't expect to switch to universal healthcare overnight like Bernie wants, but it will have to be gradual over 5yrs but it's doable :confusedshrug:

The hell are you talking about? When did Bernie say he was planning to switch the entire nations healthcare "overnight"? Its not like he can wave his magic presidents wand and instantly create a new healthcare law... do you not know how laws are made in this country?

Regardless who is president, universal healthcare will never happen unless congress writes and passes a bill for it.

[bladefd]

Bernie is brilliant for proposing free college and elimination of student debt by taxing Wall Street.

Great idea.

I would be against eliminating student debt. I would rather have 0.35% interest rate on student loans (something minimal that everyone with any present and future loan can refinance for), but don't eliminate student debt altogether.

If you were foolish and got a $50,000 student debt over music history degree, why should you get off your debt the same as another student who has $50,000 student debt with physics degree? I love music, but music and physics should not be judged equally. Physics might change the world but music?? Nah, not reasonable.

Furthermore, why should a doctorate degree requiring high-level specialization be tuition-free just like art history degree? Doctorate would require specialized PhDs and high level of expertise to teach. Art degree would not. You can't treat the 2 as equals.

[bladefd]

The hell are you talking about? When did Bernie say he was planning to switch the entire nations healthcare "overnight"? Its not like he can wave his magic presidents wand and instantly create a new healthcare law... do you not know how laws are made in this country?

Regardless who is president, universal healthcare will never happen unless congress writes and passes a bill for it.

Bernie wants to go straight to universal healthcare, while bunch of other candidates want to add public option+expand medicare (some like Biden want to expand Obamacare) and slowly move to universal healthcare.

House is already democrat by huge margin. Senate would need to flip - about 4 seats away from Democrat majority. It might very well be Democrat trifecta in 2021.

[Nanners]

Bernie wants to go straight to universal healthcare, while bunch of other candidates want to add public option+expand medicare (some like Biden want to expand Obamacare) and slowly move to universal healthcare.

Yes, Bernie wants to transition to a healthcare plan that serves the american people, while guys like Biden want to keep our current system that provides ridiculous profits for pharmaceutical companies and private insurers... but like I said, the speed at which any transition would happen is not up to Bernie, its entirely up to congress (in other words, it will be slow).


House is already democrat by huge margin. Senate would need to flip - about 4 seats away from Democrat majority. It might very well be Democrat trifecta in 2021.

And? You are aware of the fact that the democrat establishment does not support medicare for all, right?

[Loco 50]

Biden needs to go off somewhere and disappear with the quickness.

Only worse candidate up there was the writer talking about conquering the world's problems with love. Chick needs to lay off the extracurricular substances.

[Hawker]

The first debate showed what an absolute clown Beto is. Embarrassing that Texas almost put him in the senate.

As for Biden, are the dominos already falling?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-fundraiser-ditches-him-and-warns-others-may-too/ar-AADzC9L?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=msnbcrd

[Patrick Chewing]

And then the best part is how some of these candidates start speaking Spanish in the middle of their answers. :oldlol:

What country is this??

[TheCorporation]

https://i.postimg.cc/JhKJz7LM/haha.png

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Cleverness]

Better fix to the student loans: make all loans eligible for PAYE (most already are) and end federal student loans altogether.

Nobody in their right mind approves $130k worth of loans for someone to study philosophy... except the federal gov't (w/ taxpayer $).

The reason tuition prices are high is because the decision lies in the hands of 17 and 18 year olds to borrow insane amounts of money from taxpayers to study whatever they want. Knowing this, colleges jack up the prices and insert their propaganda in high schools... telling kids "don't worry you'll earn an extra $1m with a degree so borrow as much as you want." Colleges have nothing to lose, and if the teenagers can decide to borrow insane amounts of money, why not jack up the prices? And that's how so many are ending up with expensive degrees that aren't giving them a good ROI. They don't spend 30 minutes looking into repayment options (eg PAYE), and then they complain they owe money that they can't pay back.

And there's a special allure to "college". It's not just the college-fun factor and extra money you'll be able to spend (that loan money is a bigger chunk of cash than they've ever had). It's also an easy way for them to move away from their parents (hell yeah! I'm like an adult now!) and delay getting a job (work sucks!). Loans make this possible for these 18 year olds.


Btw... you don't need $200k, $100k, or even $50k to learn philosophy, art history, anthropology, etc. There are libraries and online resources where you can learn that stuff for very cheap. Need a degree? Pell grant is $6k/yr and community college is dirt cheap; you can't actually come out in the positive $-wise after getting a 2-yr degree. There are also scholarships, work-study programs, fee waivers, etc... but loans are just easier and more accessible.

[Hawker]

Better fix to the student loans: make all loans eligible for PAYE (most already are) and end federal student loans altogether.

Nobody in their right mind approves $130k worth of loans for someone to study philosophy... except the federal gov't (w/ taxpayer $).

The reason tuition prices are high is because the decision lies in the hands of 17 and 18 year olds to borrow insane amounts of money from taxpayers to study whatever they want. Knowing this, colleges jack up the prices and insert their propaganda in high schools... telling kids "don't worry you'll earn an extra $1m with a degree so borrow as much as you want." Colleges have nothing to lose, and if the teenagers can decide to borrow insane amounts of money, why not jack up the prices? And that's how so many are ending up with expensive degrees that aren't giving them a good ROI. They don't spend 30 minutes looking into repayment options (eg PAYE), and then they complain they owe money that they can't pay back.

And there's a special allure to "college". It's not just the college-fun factor and extra money you'll be able to spend (that loan money is a bigger chunk of cash than they've ever had). It's also an easy way for them to move away from their parents (hell yeah! I'm like an adult now!) and delay getting a job (work sucks!). Loans make this possible for these 18 year olds.


Btw... you don't need $200k, $100k, or even $50k to learn philosophy, art history, anthropology, etc. There are libraries and online resources where you can learn that stuff for very cheap. Need a degree? Pell grant is $6k/yr and community college is dirt cheap; you can't actually come out in the positive $-wise after getting a 2-yr degree. There are also scholarships, work-study programs, fee waivers, etc... but loans are just easier and more accessible.

What's funny is all these democrats are chastising the wealthy, upper class, privileged etc. but yet are in favor of forgiving student debt. What kind of people do you think are actually in student debt? Or are getting expensive private school degrees or medical school degrees? LOL

Those in law and in medical school will eventually pay off their debt - they don't need forgiveness.

Lots of 18 year olds have not gone to college and done other jobs and made good money - asking them to subsidize rich people who made personal decisions is absurd. That's what student loan forgiveness actually is.

I'm not in favor of any student loan forgiveness until the "everybody must go to college" culture is changed, no more government guaranteed loans and academia stops having so much power (which the former two eventually will).

I actually think it's a myth that student loan debt is that bad - the TOTAL amount overall is a lot but the average is <$50k from what I recall. Totally payable - if you get the right degree.

[tpols]

Clown show.

Bernie is the only guy with any wisdom and conviction for the D's. And he goes against the donors..

Biden's debate skills and general presentation are d-league to trump..

Kamala is good with her timing and presence but lacks any substance outside emotional race baiting / pandering.

The Don will grace us all with a sweep in 2020.

[dude77]

^can anyone imagine kamala harris as president of the United States ? lol can you imagine her dealing with putin or china ? smh .. an overly emotional chick obsessed with race running the country .. that would be an even bigger disaster than hillary clinton .. biden looks like he really does not want to be there 'oh my time is up' wtf was that .. that was a true beta moment for creepy joe .. sanders is an interesting one .. a lot of people seem to like him and he polls well but the dems don't want him ..


trump looks solid at the g20, very presidential .. dealing with china and their bs like no other president has .. looking for another kim meet up .. always looking for diplomacy and peace and avoiding wars while being firm with the pimp hand .. this bunch are going to get creampied on nov 2020

[TheMan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i38YsWShRI0

Trump used the outage from the other night as re-election campaign ad. Genius. :lol

Man those candidates are being BRUTAL to Biden.
I haven't seen any of the debates, its way too damn early in the campaign but 24 Democrats vying for the candidacy? Must be a record...

Dems must be feeling confident that Trump is vulnerable since that many are trying to be the candidate. With this economy you'd think Trump would be a shoo in but he's just never won over the majority of the American people.

Should be an interesting upcoming presidential campaign.

[Rocket]

The debates were a true **** show as expected. Most were bending over backwards to see who can give away the most "free" stuff. The Democrats only know how to buy votes with tax payer money. The millennials need to get their collective heads out of their asses and realize nothing is "free" in life, you have to work for it.

[ILLsmak]

Clown show.

Bernie is the only guy with any wisdom and conviction for the D's. And he goes against the donors..

Biden's debate skills and general presentation are d-league to trump..

Kamala is good with her timing and presence but lacks any substance outside emotional race baiting / pandering.

The Don will grace us all with a sweep in 2020.

Yknow Trump really isn't an awful president, as shown by how bad a lot of these jack asses are. I think it's smart for them not to attack each other if they can. Because trumps people love to use your buddies words against you. You can't really do a primary and say someone needs to pass the torch then endorse them after they win the primary. The only way that worked and why it worked for Trump is because all of the Republicans were clowns and nobody needed their endorsement..

Im still unsure about Trump in 2020. It seems like if there is any possible way, Hell lose, but in these hypothetical match ups, no one really thinks about them matching up with Trump and debating him. Trump has charisma and honestly that he never apologizes and admits he's wrong is probably a plus for politics the way everyone bullies people into apology tours.

America still wants a strong leader. Obama wasn't a victim. Neither was Hillary but she tried to be one.

If Trump does win Bernie might die /retire and the democrats might move back to more rational positions.

I think America is more democratic but when you add in all this baggage and want to make huge change it's like eh. Dudes talking about big pharma and insurance think that govt is gonna abolish all those people. More than likely it would just absorb them. If they wanna make real changes legislate something about insurance and drug prices. Gotta say imo health care doesn't fall under free market. I'm all for paying Dr's but people should not be getting so rich off insurance and drugs people need for quality of life.

-Smak

[diamenz]

What's funny is all these democrats are chastising the wealthy, upper class, privileged etc. but yet are in favor of forgiving student debt. What kind of people do you think are actually in student debt? Or are getting expensive private school degrees or medical school degrees? LOL

Those in law and in medical school will eventually pay off their debt - they don't need forgiveness.

Lots of 18 year olds have not gone to college and done other jobs and made good money - asking them to subsidize rich people who made personal decisions is absurd. That's what student loan forgiveness actually is.

I'm not in favor of any student loan forgiveness until the "everybody must go to college" culture is changed, no more government guaranteed loans and academia stops having so much power (which the former two eventually will).

I actually think it's a myth that student loan debt is that bad - the TOTAL amount overall is a lot but the average is <$50k from what I recall. Totally payable - if you get the right degree.

the dems aren't chastising doctors and lawyers with student debt - they're attacking the 1% that buys out congress and presidential erections. at least warren and sanders are. i dunno about u guys, but i'm all for getting money out of politics.

but ya, i hear u- they wanna raise taxes on the uber, uber rich (not doctors & lawyers). but shit - republicans wanna lower them! so neither side can really say shit about it, can they. from my standpoint, the uber rich have plenty green to wipe their ass with, and taxing them %2 for every $50 million dollars they make isn't going to put them in peril. people need to start thinking about what's best for THEIR pockets instead of worrying about some ideology or 'herm, what's best for this country'.

[Rocket]

the dems aren't chastising doctors and lawyers with student debt - they're attacking the 1% that buys out congress and presidential erections. at least warren and sanders are. i dunno about u guys, but i'm all for getting money out of politics.

So how much does a Presidential ERECTION cost?:roll:


lol, I know you made a typo. I am just messing with you.


but ya, i hear u- they wanna raise taxes on the uber, uber rich (not doctors & lawyers). but shit - republicans wanna lower them! so neither side can really say shit about it, can they. from my standpoint, the uber rich have plenty green to wipe their ass with, and taxing them %2 for every $50 million dollars they make isn't going to put them in peril. people need to start thinking about what's best for THEIR pockets instead of worrying about some ideology or 'herm, what's best for this country'.

The best thing for everyone and their pocketbooks is to shrink the size of government and keep it out of the way of the free markets. Free markets are what makes this country thrive and what has made it the greatest country in history. Trump is doing his best to do this while the Democrats are foolishly promoting outright socialism. Ask Venezuela how well socialism has worked out for them.

[Hawker]

the dems aren't chastising doctors and lawyers with student debt - they're attacking the 1% that buys out congress and presidential erections. at least warren and sanders are. i dunno about u guys, but i'm all for getting money out of politics.

but ya, i hear u- they wanna raise taxes on the uber, uber rich (not doctors & lawyers). but shit - republicans wanna lower them! so neither side can really say shit about it, can they. from my standpoint, the uber rich have plenty green to wipe their ass with, and taxing them %2 for every $50 million dollars they make isn't going to put them in peril. people need to start thinking about what's best for THEIR pockets instead of worrying about some ideology or 'herm, what's best for this country'.

You really don

[diamenz]

So how much does a Presidential ERECTION cost?:roll:


lol, I know you made a typo. I am just messing with you.

hey, hey - i'm half azn. i can't pronounce my "l's".

[QUOTE=Hawker]You really don

[ILLsmak]

[QUOTE=Hawker]You really don

[tpols]

[QUOTE=Hawker]You really don

[bladefd]

You really don’t understand how wealthy people make money if you think it’s like how we plebes make money. It’s probably tied up in investments, stocks etc. things that create value and money and jobs for other people. It’s absolutely in my best interest for them not to get taxed. I’m also not filled with jealousy, envy and anger and comfortable with my life. Don’t need to fill that void in my life by taking it out on rich people. That doesn’t give me satisfaction.

You don't even live in America to know how it's like here. The country you live in currently has universal healthcare, government-funded education, government-assisted housing for poor, and welfare for elderly/unemployed/those with disabilities like social security. Everything you are against for in America.

Healthcare is a mess here in a fraudulent system, education is being thrown to the dogs by morons like Betsy Devos and uneducated idiot in President who believes dumb sh*t like vaccines cause autism and exercise uses up some lifepower or something, and stuck in perpetual assault on medicare/medicaid/social security to privatize it all.. yet also obsessed with tax cuts. Tax cuts to their overlords-the uber wealthy- is all they care about. Get that "jealousy" sh*t out of here, hawkman. You can't objectively handle the truth.

[Hawker]

You don't even live in America to know how it's like here. The country you live in currently has universal healthcare, government-funded education, government-assisted housing for poor, and welfare for elderly/unemployed/those with disabilities like social security. Everything you are against for in America.

Healthcare is a mess here in a fraudulent system, education is being thrown to the dogs by morons like Betsy Devos and uneducated idiot in President who believes dumb sh*t like vaccines cause autism and exercise uses up some lifepower or something, and stuck in perpetual assault on medicare/medicaid/social security to privatize it all.. yet also obsessed with tax cuts. Tax cuts to their overlords-the uber wealthy- is all they care about. Get that "jealousy" sh*t out of here, hawkman. You can't objectively handle the truth.

No wealth tax.

No estate tax.

Corps. Tax rate at 28%.

No capital gains tax.

Strict immigration system.

Double the taxes than the US at $50k salary.

15% GST

No illegal immigrants.

4.5 million population.

Actually isn’t universal healthcare...I still pay when using public services and I have private health insurance to supplement it since I don’t want the government to determine how significant my issue is. Don’t feel like waiting 6-12 months to see a specialist.

You have no idea what’s it like where I live so don’t try to draw upon it and apply it in the US.

Like I’ve told you multiple times before...If you want all those things, sweet but do it on those policies.

Last time I lived in the US was 2016. Not that long ago dude and I previously lived there for 22 years. Not that different dude.

[Hawker]

Nah at a certain point the extreme wealth inequality eclipses their job creation...

its like anything else in life, there needs to be a balance..a sweet spot.

You argue for an extreme that has destroyed societies in the past.

Yeah nah wealth pie isn

[diamenz]

biden down TEN points after shit debate performance:


Support for Joe Biden dropped 10 points after he struggled to defend his anti-busing record during the first Democratic presidential debate performance of his 2020 bid.

While the former vice president commanded 41.5% support among likely Democratic voters before the first presidential debate, spanning across Wednesday and Thursday, his support plummeted to 31.5% afterwards, according to a Morning Consult/FiveThirtyEight poll.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/battered-biden-drops-10-points-after-first-debate


it's the beginning of the end for status quo joe.


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[Hawker]

biden down TEN points after shit debate performance:




https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/battered-biden-drops-10-points-after-first-debate


it's the beginning of the end for status quo joe.


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Kamala Harris is status quo as well - she'll need to go to. She's the Obama/Hillary pick where the mainstream media won't ask her hard questions.

Busing did seem pretty stupid though. You could walk to your neighborhood school but instead they bus you far away to go to school? Seems dumb. But of course, having this opinion is deemed "racist" when it just seems logical to me.

[diamenz]

Kamala Harris is status quo as well - she'll need to go to. She's the Obama/Hillary pick where the mainstream media won't ask her hard questions.

Busing did seem pretty stupid though. You could walk to your neighborhood school but instead they bus you far away to go to school? Seems dumb. But of course, having this opinion is deemed "racist" when it just seems logical to me.

'they're' making a bigger deal out of it than it really is. and ya, kamala... as biden fades the media and establishment will jump on her back real quick.

[bladefd]

Swalwell ends presidential campaign less than two weeks after first debate

1 down, 19 remaining from first debate

[NumberSix]

Nah at a certain point the extreme wealth inequality eclipses their job creation...
it’s not a problem at all. You’re not losing anything because some guy gets a big piece of a pie that otherwise wouldn’t exist at all.

[Patrick Chewing]

1 down, 19 remaining from first debate


That guy was the worst of them and a total maniac.


Threatening to nuke us if he we didn't turn in our guns when he became President. :oldlol:

[red1]

they're all soulless trash.


reminds me why the non-politician won last time - people are just sick of these retards. too bad this time around we won't get see the hilarity of trump shitting on the republican candidates. they won't come at him that hard if they even bother to have a debate.


jeb bush ted cruz and ricky rubio getting wrecked last time was gold.

[SomeBlackDude]

1 down, 19 remaining from first debate

any word on if joe passed the torch? :confusedshrug:

[red1]

I know bernie turns a lot of people off - he's the only one with even a SHRED of integrity. he's stuck to his guns over the years and you can find his old videos and confirm. too bad he's an old man that will never get past his party.


very very sad what the DNC did to him last time. am I crazy to think that he would've given trump a run for his money or even beat him?

[ILLsmak]

I know bernie turns a lot of people off - he's the only one with even a SHRED of integrity. he's stuck to his guns over the years and you can find his old videos and confirm. too bad he's an old man that will never get past his party.


very very sad what the DNC did to him last time. am I crazy to think that he would've given trump a run for his money or even beat him?

I mite have voted for Bernie in 16 or not voted at all. He was an interesting personality and he obviously got shafted, but I'm not really wet for him in 20. And yea the rest are trash too.

It's surprising they can't find one decent candidate. Maybe it's all fixed. Maybe they let a guy like Trump to have 8 years and do all the shit they don't wanna do but feel needs to be done, so they can blame him and still keep their moral high ground.

You'd think Trump would be dead in the water v anyone but it kinda seems like he's gonna body every one. He might not body Bernie cuz Bernie won't go straight at him, but I think America will eventually balk at a self described socialist, if they don't pull the rug out from under him in the primary. I feel like Bernie and aoc types are just mascots, but who knows

Politics is Def a joke.

-Smak

[ILLsmak]

I mean I think Biden would have a shot if they didn't have all that video of him fondling children haha. The best you could say is he's completely devoid or emotional iq, but it looks more like he's being domineering.

-Skak

[Charlie Sheen]

I know bernie turns a lot of people off - he's the only one with even a SHRED of integrity. he's stuck to his guns over the years and you can find his old videos and confirm. too bad he's an old man that will never get past his party.


very very sad what the DNC did to him last time. am I crazy to think that he would've given trump a run for his money or even beat him?

Bernie will never recapture what he had. It ended after that meeting with Obama transformed him from the champion for single payer healthcare and opposition to the Patriot Act into looking like a democratic stooge shouting the party line "We must defeat Donald Trump". Voters didn't rally behind him because he wasn't Donald Trump.