Beverley Seeking 3yrs/$40m

[Bosnian Sajo]

Sources: Patrick Beverley is seeking a deal in the three-year, $40+ million range. Suitors include Mavs, Lakers, Bulls and Clippers. Agent Bill Duffy also represents Luka Doncic and is known to be intrigued by idea of pairing bulldog Beverley with the young playmaker.

https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1144254339697074177?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet



That seems fairly reasonable for him, although definitely more than I'd want the Lakers to spend on their non-allstar PG. 13m per? Eek. Actually on second thought it might be a little too much in general...if there werent 12+ teams with capspace, he wouldn't get more than 7m-10m per.


I could see him going to the Mavs for this amount or if the Clippers bust in FA, they very well may offer him this type of deal. If Bev doesn't get this kind of offer the first few days, I'd wait for teams to bust and get desperate..he could do very well for himself this offseason.

[Kingwillball]

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That seems fairly reasonable for him, although definitely more than I'd want the Lakers to spend on their non-allstar PG. 13m per? Eek. Actually on second thought it might be a little too much in general...if there werent 12+ teams with capspace, he wouldn't get more than 7m-10m per.


I could see him going to the Mavs for this amount or if the Clippers bust in FA, they very well may offer him this type of deal. If Bev doesn't get this kind of offer the first few days, I'd wait for teams to bust and get desperate..he could do very well for himself this offseason.

Like Beverly but not for that price.. 7/8 mil would still be a nice raise but not 13 mil..lakers if they

[bigkingsfan]

Delly got 4 year $38 in 2016. Patrick will easily get his demands.

[Kingwillball]

Delly got 4 year $38 in 2016. Patrick will easily get his demands.

That is INSANE... yikes... he is worth 2/3 mil per year.

[scuzzy]

underselling himself?


Pat passing out flash sale price

[Bosnian Sajo]

Delly got 4 year $38 in 2016. Patrick will easily get his demands.


So you're referencing 2016 as what to expect with free agency this summer??


You do realize that's the same offseason where Mozgov got 64m, Deng/Turner/Crabbe got 75m, Biyombo got 70m, Mahimi 60m......

[LAmbruh]

Pelinka plz

[bigkingsfan]

So you're referencing 2016 as what to expect with free agency this summer??

Nope, I'm comparing a similar player. Now with the current cap, Patrick will get his.

Marcus Smart got four-year 52 last offseason.

[scuzzy]

So you're referencing 2016 as what to expect with free agency this summer??


You do realize that's the same offseason where Mozgov got 64m, Deng/Turner/Crabbe got 75m, Biyombo got 70m, Mahimi 60m......

Salary cap jumped 94m to 109m since then, add another 5m next season.


Beverly is more valuable than all those players

[Bosnian Sajo]

Salary cap jumped 94m to 109m since then, add another 5m next season.


Beverly is more valuable than all those players

Of course he is, I didn't mention those guys because they are valuable...I mentioned them because their contracts are absurd and looked at as massive overreactions to the new salary cap.

[RealSkipBayless]

lmao

Dude is insane. He's never been close to valued that high in his entire career and he hasn't suddenly hit a new level. He can seek whatever he wants.. reality will hit after the first couple days..

Pacers, Bulls, Clippers MIGHT do it.. but I doubt it.


Take your MLE to play some D for Lebron and STFU....

[LAmbruh]

lmao

Dude is insane. He's never been close to valued that high in his entire career and he hasn't suddenly hit a new level. He can seek whatever he wants.. reality will hit after the first couple days..

Pacers, Bulls, Clippers MIGHT do it.. but I doubt it.


Take your MLE to play some D for Lebron and STFU....

Perfect fit for Lakers

Cap for a decent couple shooters and it's a squad.

Gully defenders in the front and backcourt with AD/Beverly/vet-banger

Scoring from Bron, AD, Kuz, spot ups

Completely reformat the atrocious Lakers defensive the past 5 years

Gritty Ground n Pound Laker bball, something it has had in a decade

[Meticode]

Delly got 4 year $38 in 2016. Patrick will easily get his demands.
TV deal. Teams had all this extra cash to throw at players. Most of the time it didn't work out for then,

[DMAVS41]

Something like 13 million a year for 3 years for a player like Bev with this cap increase and the one next year is absolutely in the range of reasonable.

I really don't understand the counter argument.

He's a really good role player that fits well on pretty much any contending team.

[imdaman99]

Has he gotten over the injury prone description attached to him? I know the way he plays, he is more likely to get hurt. He is a glue guy, a hustle guy, someone that will dive through someone to get a loose ball. If he won't be injured anymore, and is still gonna hustle for them maybe 90% of the time instead of 100% of the time, he would be valuable to a team needing defense at the PG position.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Nope, I'm comparing a similar player. Now with the current cap, Patrick will get his.

Marcus Smart got four-year 52 last offseason.


Marcus Smart is also 5 years younger with the expectation that he will improve his game.

Pat is 30 years old, he is who he is and is not getting any better.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Something like 13 million a year for 3 years for a player like Bev with this cap increase and the one next year is absolutely in the range of reasonable.

I really don't understand the counter argument.

He's a really good role player that fits well on pretty much any contending team.

The counter argument being that he averaged 7.6ppg on 40% shooting...coming off the bench. I understand he is a good defensive player, but you're gonna give that stateline 13m per year? A part time starter, par time bench player (not even the 6th man, Lou was 6th man and Harrell was their next bench player) being expected to get that amount of money is overpay.


For a team like the Mavs, it makes sense. You already have your star players under contract or they are restricted free agents, as well as role players under contract. For a team that is trying to build out its roster this free agency, it makes no sense to give bev 13m when you could go and give Brogdon or Russell 20m. Legitimate starters/all stars. Hell even for the Mavs it doesn't make sense considering they have enough to go after Kemba ffs.

[scuzzy]

Lol you Lakers fans are something

Beverly does essentially everything better than Lonzo 10fold and they act sour about him leaving on a 9m rookie contract. Only 4m less than prime Beverly is asking:oldlol:

[bigkingsfan]

Marcus Smart is also 5 years younger with the expectation that he will improve his game.

Pat is 30 years old, he is who he is and is not getting any better.

He's getting paid, so I'm not sure what you're arguing about.
40% three point shooting. Can guard 1-3. His game fits more teams than Smart does.

[DMAVS41]

The counter argument being that he averaged 7.6ppg on 40% shooting...coming off the bench. I understand he is a good defensive player, but you're gonna give that stateline 13m per year? A part time starter, par time bench player (not even the 6th man, Lou was 6th man and Harrell was their next bench player) being expected to get that amount of money is overpay.


For a team like the Mavs, it makes sense. You already have your star players under contract or they are restricted free agents, as well as role players under contract. For a team that is trying to build out its roster this free agency, it makes no sense to give bev 13m when you could go and give Brogdon or Russell 20m. Legitimate starters/all stars. Hell even for the Mavs it doesn't make sense considering they have enough to go after Kemba ffs.

That is just the new price of a player like that.

A player that can defend as well as Beverly that can also hit near 40% of 3's is going go for 12 to 18 million a year depending on age, potential upside, and years on contract.

The stats don't mean anything imo.

Of course the team situation matters. Teams that suck and are rebuilding won't be interested in a 30 year old player like Bev...not sure what point this making about his value.

The truth is that 15 million per year given this increase and the one next year just isn't much at all. I think everyone will realize this in a week.

And, of course there will be better values out there like Brogdon, that is what makes a guy like Brogdon so valuable. Unfortunately, there are a limited number of those guys and teams are going to get stuck paying for services they desperately need. Although with Brogdon, I'm not sure...he might get an absurd contract from someone.

That is just how this works.

[jayfan]

Question for All you Lakers fans who want Beverly-

What are you expecting to happen with Rondo? Is he leaving? I can't see Rondo and Beverly on the same team.



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[Bosnian Sajo]

Lol you Lakers fans are something

Beverly does essentially everything better than Lonzo 10fold and they act sour about him leaving on a 9m rookie contract. Only 4m less than prime Beverly is asking:oldlol:

Lonzo is 9 years younger than him you buffoon, you're comparing a young player who still has all the time in the world to grow, to a player who has already shown his peak and can only go down from here..

[Bosnian Sajo]

He's getting paid, so I'm not sure what you're arguing about.
40% three point shooting. Can guard 1-3. His game fits more teams than Smart does.

I'm not arguing that he's not gonna get paid, if you've read my posts in this thread I FULLY expect him to get that amount, I'm just stating what I perceive his true value to be.

To a team that already has a solidified roster and has just enough cap space to sign Bev...with the need for a defensive PG, it makes complete sense to sign him. To teams like the Lakers/Nets/Knicks/Clippers who are looking to cash in this free agency, it does not. There are better options for that price range.


MIND YOU, I'm the one who stated 3yrs/$40m. The ESPN analyst I'm quoting stated $40m+.

[Bosnian Sajo]

That is just the new price of a player like that.

A player that can defend as well as Beverly that can also hit near 40% of 3's is going go for 12 to 18 million a year depending on age, potential upside, and years on contract.

The stats don't mean anything imo.

Of course the team situation matters. Teams that suck and are rebuilding won't be interested in a 30 year old player like Bev...not sure what point this making about his value.

The truth is that 15 million per year given this increase and the one next year just isn't much at all. I think everyone will realize this in a week.

And, of course there will be better values out there like Brogdon, that is what makes a guy like Brogdon so valuable. Unfortunately, there are a limited number of those guys and teams are going to get stuck paying for services they desperately need. Although with Brogdon, I'm not sure...he might get an absurd contract from someone.

That is just how this works.


I didn't say teams that suck and rebuilding...ofc teams like Charlotte and Chicago shouldn't give him this kind of money (even though Chicago is one of the mentioned teams....), that goes without saying. I'm talking about teams with large amount of capspace with pieces already in place (Lakers with AD/Lebron/Kuz, Clips with their squad, Mavs with their squad...etc.)


Tell me this, since you think a player like Bev is worth 12m-18m. Would you give Rondo 13m right now? Rondo does everything better than Beverley, the only thing worse was his 3pt% which was 36% compared to Bev's 40% (not a HUGE difference).

[DMAVS41]

I didn't say teams that suck and rebuilding...ofc teams like Charlotte and Chicago shouldn't give him this kind of money (even though Chicago is one of the mentioned teams....).


Tell me this, since you think a player like Bev is worth 12m-18m. Would you give Rondo 13m right now? Rondo does everything better than Beverley, the only thing worse was his 3pt% which was 36% compared to Bev's 40% (not a HUGE difference).

Just a terrible comparison.

Rondo is a poor defender and isn't nearly the spot up shooter Bev is. Bev is great playing off the ball while Rondo needs the ball.

Bev is 2 years younger as well.

So, no...I reject the notion that Rondo does everything better...and I wouldn't pay Rondo much at all.

You could be right about the money, but I doubt it. I bet he makes over 12 million a year on his upcoming contract...and that would be fair value.

But Rondo? You need to educate yourself on some things...he doesn't compare favorly at all to Bev in terms of skillset. Almost the opposite.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Rondo is a poor defender?? Are you kidding me?


Bro don't tell me to educate myself when you're claiming Rondo to be a poor defender. Based on WHAT makes you say that?

[scuzzy]

Lonzo is 9 years younger than him you buffoon, you're comparing a young player who still has all the time in the world to grow, to a player who has already shown his peak and can only go down from here..
9 years younger, can

[scuzzy]

Rondo is a poor defender?? Are you kidding me?
Yeah he is, been trash on defense for several years

Clearly you didn

[DMAVS41]

Rondo is a poor defender?? Are you kidding me?


Bro don't tell me to educate myself when you're claiming Rondo to be a poor defender. Based on WHAT makes you say that?

Watching him for the last 6 years or so when he stopped being a good defender.

:confusedshrug:

This isn't 2008 anymore bro.

And if you want something objective.

Last year;

Rondo finished 87th in DRPM for point guards (out of 112)

Bev finished 7th in DRPM

Tell me more though...and please tell me more how Rondo's 3 point shooting is comparable as well.

[scuzzy]

Watching him for the last 6 years or so when he stopped being a good defender.

:confusedshrug:

This isn't 2008 anymore bro.
It seems everything Bosnia posts is from a 2012 mindset, like the last 7 years skipped him by as a fan

From talent perspective to player contracts

[Bosnian Sajo]

[QUOTE=scuzzy]Yeah he is, been trash on defense for several years

Clearly you didn

[DMAVS41]

Bro honestly **** off, I watched 50-60 games this season. The negatives of Rondo were his shooting, injuries, and at times bad decision making. It wasn't his defense or playmaking.

Explain why his defensive metrics are terrible compared to Bev...

Dude...this is honestly just obvious to anyone paying attention...it really isn't up for debate.

You aren't understanding the kind of player Rondo is now...and clearly are missing what Bev is if you think they are even comps at all.

Bev = really good guard defender, doesn't need the ball in his hands, quality range shooter on solid volume

Rondo = poor defender, needs the ball in his hands a lot to make a positive impact, uncomfortable range shooter on volume

[scuzzy]

Bro honestly **** off, I watched 50-60 games this season. The negatives of Rondo were his shooting, injuries, and at times bad decision making. It wasn't his defense or playmaking.
You

[Bosnian Sajo]

Explain why his defensive metrics are terrible compared to Bev...

Dude...this is honestly just obvious to anyone paying attention...it really isn't up for debate.

You aren't understanding the kind of player Rondo is now...and clearly are missing what Bev is if you think they are even comps at all.

Bev = really good guard defender, doesn't need the ball in his hands, quality range shooter on solid volume

Rondo = poor defender, needs the ball in his hands a lot to make a positive impact, uncomfortable range shooter on volume


Bro you're killing me lol. I respect your opinion, I truly do that's why I'm discussing with you rather than other posters who I'd brush off.


You mentioned 1 defensive metric and because of that 1 metric, Rondo = terrible defender and Bev = really good defender. dbpm is a useful tool to showcase the really good defenders, guys who have a dbpm of 2-2.5+, Gobert's for example was 5.1 last year. Now THAT is impressive. Bragging that Bev was 7th for PG's is out of context when you don't mention that his dbpm was 1.2 while Rondo's was 0.5....Bev's being higher is about as impressive as a player having 1.0 dbpm compared to a player whose dbpm is 0.3, it doesn't mean much its not a sufficient tool to showcase these lesser players.


I'm sure you're aware that defense is A LOT MORE than a stat. But since you want to bring up stats, why don't you bring up drtg? Is it because Rondo had a better drtg than Bev?

[NBAGOAT]

Bro you're killing me lol. I respect your opinion, I truly do that's why I'm discussing with you rather than other posters who I'd brush off.


You mentioned 1 defensive metric and because of that 1 metric, Rondo = terrible defender and Bev = really good defender. dbpm is a useful tool to showcase the really good defenders, guys who have a dbpm of 2-2.5+, Gobert's for example was 5.1 last year. Now THAT is impressive. Bragging that Bev was 7th for PG's is out of context when you don't mention that his dbpm was 1.2 while Rondo's was 0.5....Bev's being higher is about as impressive as a player having 1.0 dbpm compared to a player whose dbpm is 0.3, it doesn't mean much its not a sufficient tool to showcase these lesser players.


I'm sure you're aware that defense is A LOT MORE than a stat. But since you want to bring up stats, why don't you bring up drtg? Is it because Rondo had a better drtg than Bev?

tbf there are other defensive stats too. i dont like dbpm and drtg too much, too box score based, impact stuff is better imo. rondo is just not good in most of those.

tbf to rondo, the eye test is maybe too unfavorable to him because lonzo is so much better

[Bosnian Sajo]

I hate that I mentioned Rondo lmfao I truly truly did not want this thread to turn into Rondo vs Beverley :lol

[DMAVS41]

I'm bringing up the best metric we have, but didn't really need to as this really shouldn't be up for debate for anyone that has paid attention.

I'm not a huge fan of DBPM, but not surprised an objective measure would rank Bev as better because he clealry is defensively.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/rajon-rondo/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/patrick-beverley/

I think the gap is actually bigger than the above now given what we saw last year.

They just aren't comps in terms of players...

[NBAGOAT]

I hate that I mentioned Rondo lmfao I truly truly did not want this thread to turn into Rondo vs Beverley :lol

lol tbf there is nothing wrong with resigning rondo for cheap as a backup. Pg market is weak as hell after the top like 5 guys this year

[Bosnian Sajo]

I'm bringing up the best metric we have, but didn't really need to as this really shouldn't be up for debate for anyone that has paid attention.

I'm not a huge fan of DBPM, but not surprised an objective measure would rank Bev as better because he clealry is defensively.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/rajon-rondo/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/patrick-beverley/

I think the gap is actually bigger than the above now given what we saw last year.

They just aren't comps in terms of players...


I'm sorry man, I just can't. I can't bring myself to debate Bev's 0.1 defensive +/- compared to Rondo's -0.5, It truly means nothing its frustrating.


As someone who has watched a lot of Lakers games from the 18-19 regular season, I assure you Rondo is not a poor defender. He's not what he was, but in NO WAY is a defensive liability. He did just fine on defense for us this year, I already stated what his problem areas were. Lettuce drop the Rondo discussion please lol, I didn't mean for it to bring up a whole new debate.



lol tbf there is nothing wrong with resigning rondo for cheap as a backup. Pg market is weak as hell after the top like 5 guys this year

I want that boy Alex Caruso to be our full time backup, kid is good frfr. He hasn't been given a chance to play when things are going good, he only gets playing time near the end of the season when we know we aren't making the playoffs...and both years he's played, he has proven to be capable. Especially this past season, Caruso would do just fine as a backup PG. He could be our FVV.

[DMAVS41]

He is and has been for years now.

Just the truth.

And he's not a comp for Bev as a player even if we ignore that. He's a ball dominant point that doesn't excel off the ball.

We'll see what happens.

[NBAGOAT]

I'm sorry man, I just can't. I can't bring myself to debate Bev's 0.1 defensive +/- compared to Rondo's -0.5, It truly means nothing its frustrating.


As someone who has watched a lot of Lakers games from the 18-19 regular season, I assure you Rondo is not a poor defender. He's not what he was, but in NO WAY is a defensive liability. He did just fine on defense for us this year, I already stated what his problem areas were. Lettuce drop the Rondo discussion please lol, I didn't mean for it to bring up a whole new debate.




I want that boy Alex Caruso to be our full time backup, kid is good frfr. He hasn't been given a chance to play when things are going good, he only gets playing time near the end of the season when we know we aren't making the playoffs...and both years he's played, he has proven to be capable. Especially this past season, Caruso would do just fine as a backup PG. He could be our FVV.

then yea look for a starter. Collison or beverly or a max guy. I like brogdon a lot but for like 20+ is a little too much. 4yrs 70 could work but mil likely matches that. What hasnt been talked about here is there's injury risk.

[ArbitraryWater]

lmao

Dude is insane. He's never been close to valued that high in his entire career and he hasn't suddenly hit a new level. He can seek whatever he wants.. reality will hit after the first couple days..

Pacers, Bulls, Clippers MIGHT do it.. but I doubt it.


Take your MLE to play some D for Lebron and STFU....

yuup, qft

[brownmamba00]

Caruso is garbage. If KL/Kyrie does not work out. They could sign Dlo and Bev. Retain Bullock and use the BAE on another piece. Look in to vets that might want to chase a ring like Taj Gibson. Buy out targets will be plenty Tristan Thompson could be available.

If Bev gets overpaid say 15+mill anually...Collison is a much cheaper alternative. Good shooter and more than decent defender. Signing him on a 3/25m deal should not be hard.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Caruso is garbage. If KL/Kyrie does not work out. They could sign Dlo and Bev. Retain Bullock and use the BAE on another piece. Look in to vets that might want to chase a ring like Taj Gibson. Buy out targets will be plenty Tristan Thompson could be available.

If Bev gets overpaid say 15+mill anually...Collison is a much cheaper alternative. Good shooter and more than decent defender. Signing him on a 3/25m deal should not be hard.

as a BACKUP.


He's just fine as a backup. Athletic, good shooter, not a liability on defense, and knows his role. Cheap too.

[bigkingsfan]

To teams like the Lakers/Nets/Knicks/Clippers who are looking to cash in this free agency, it does not. There are better options for that price range.

Like who exactly?

You need a reality check and see LA FA from last summer.

[theballerFKA Ace]

Lol you Lakers fans are something

Beverly does essentially everything better than Lonzo 10fold and they act sour about him leaving on a 9m rookie contract. Only 4m less than prime Beverly is asking:oldlol:

You are an idiot. Beverly is a great defender against smaller guards but hes not nearly the versatile defender Zo is, who can easily switch 1-3, sometimes 1-4. Also Lonzo's court vision and passing is elite. Beverly is just average. Whatever team Lonzo is on. They are almost guaranteed to be top 5 in the league in pace and fast break points. Beverly can shoot 3s better but he is overall shooting and finishing is below average like a 20 year old Lonzo.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Like who exactly?

You need a reality check and see LA FA from last summer.

Danny Green, for one. I'd much rather have him at that price point than Bev. Bojan Bogdanovic, JJ Redick, Jeremy Lamb..I'll take all of them over Bev at this price point, no cap. If you're talking specifically PG's, give me Collison over him as well, but at that point you're doing free agency wrong. You're over pricing a player just because there is not a vast amount of players in that position on the open market. A good PG these days is a dime a dozen in the NBA, just so happens most are under contract. Doesn't mean you should overpay for that particular poisition, pick a better option and go with a moderate PG for now (who knows who will be available after buyouts midseason and FA next year for MLE).


But in the Lakers pov, at this moment you forget about all these guys. I was always the one saying we should sign 2-3 guys rather than max just 1 guy out...but I wasn't expecting Kawhi to be a reality, figured he was staying in the 6. If he wants to come team up..that changes everything :oldlol: You could go ahead and start Alex Caruso with that trio for all I care lol.

[DMAVS41]

Danny Green, for one. I'd much rather have him at that price point than Bev. Bojan Bogdanovic, JJ Redick, Jeremy Lamb..I'll take all of them over Bev at this price point, no cap. If you're talking specifically PG's, give me Collison over him as well, but at that point you're doing free agency wrong. You're over pricing a player just because there is not a vast amount of players in that position on the open market. A good PG these days is a dime a dozen in the NBA, just so happens most are under contract. Doesn't mean you should overpay for that particular poisition, pick a better option and go with a moderate PG for now (who knows who will be available after buyouts midseason and FA next year for MLE).


But in the Lakers pov, at this moment you forget about all these guys. I was always the one saying we should sign 2-3 guys rather than max just 1 guy out...but I wasn't expecting Kawhi to be a reality, figured he was staying in the 6. If he wants to come team up..that changes everything :oldlol: You could go ahead and start Alex Caruso with that trio for all I care lol.

I like all the guys you listed, but if you got Bojan, for example, the defense would likely not be where the team would really need it to win as easily in the regular season as they'd want...and it would hurt them in the playoffs.

Also, you are right that there are a lot of good guards, but guards are extremely important...especially the non stars that can defend and nail 3's.

Danny Green would be the best in that group you listed by a wide margin becuase his defense is at a totally different level...and I really think that is what the Lakers need to focus on. It isn't just about shooting...they really need to add players that can consistently defend.

In terms of the prices, you have to realize the contracts for these players are going to be signed this year. The cap is jumping up to roughly 109 this year and then roughly 116 the following year.

So when any player gets paid this summer...that is being factored in some part. So a guy like Bev getting somewhere around 12 a year for 3 years...you have to keep in mind where the spending power is headed and the demand for such a player.

In a conversation solely about on court value...most players are not worth their contracts. A player like Bev or Smart are probably worth 20 to 25 percent less than what they'll get paid. However, that is actually better than most role players that are likely only worth 50% of what they get paid in a market like this.

Take the Mavs, for example, Maxi is likely going to get like 10 million a year...at least that is what he got in the mock off-season they do on Nate Duncan's pod. Bev got 12 million / 2 years fyi...

This is just the hard part of team building and I understand what you are saying, but value vs impact vs reality is something that teams just can't avoid...and getting guards or wings that can defend and shoot is at a premium for sure now and likely to remain that way for a long time.

[GimmeThat]

Sam Cassell, the Knicks paid Tim Hardaway, so this would be a valuable acquisition for them.

[r0drig0lac]

lmao

Dude is insane. He's never been close to valued that high in his entire career and he hasn't suddenly hit a new level. He can seek whatever he wants.. reality will hit after the first couple days..

Pacers, Bulls, Clippers MIGHT do it.. but I doubt it.


Take your MLE to play some D for Lebron and STFU....
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