Kawhi Leonard is better than LeBron James

[k0kakw0rld]

Things Kawhi is better at than LeBron James

Better defender (don't bring me your stupid help defense)
Better offensive arsenal
Better shooter
Better 3 pt shooter
Better mid range shooter
Better clutch performer
Better Free Throw shooter
Off the ball

Things Lebron is better at than Kawhi:

- Recruiting
- Colluding
- Passing

Kawhi joining LeBron will be the end of this man's legacy. Especially if they join forces and they lose :roll: :oldlol: :lol

[DoctorP]

Yeah. Today yes.

[Andrei89]

Right now?

Yes. Also like 7 years younger lol and yet the gap is not that big.

Lebron at Kawhi’s age was not only better, but on a ehole different ****ing tier lmao

[DoctorP]

Right now?

Yes. Also like 7 years younger lol and yet the gap is not that big.

Lebron at Kawhi’s age was not only better, but on a ehole different ****ing tier lmao

Yes... Except for the jumper. Kawhis midrange jumper is better than LeBrons ever was.

While LeBron was jumping over and huffing and puffing getting to the line Kawhi, like MJ, gets those sweet pullup Js to fall.

[Kingwillball]

And I don

[Andrei89]

Yes... Except for the jumper. Kawhis midrange jumper is better than LeBrons ever was.

His defense is also better than Lebron

[Gus Hemmingway]

Kawhi lost in the 1st round in 2015...


So he automatically can never be as good as LeBron, who never lost in the 1st round

[SouBeachTalents]

Right now? Yes

Prime for prime, nah

[Wally450]

Really going out on a limb on that one. Who are you a fan of today by the way?

[Real14]

OP is a lebron James fan.

[ImKobe]

Kawhi lost in the 1st round in 2015...


So he automatically can never be as good as LeBron, who never lost in the 1st round

Lebron missed the Playoffs 3 times...

[Levity]

yes he is. he's also funnier than him.

[jstern]

Kawhi is better. More impactful. Just one year in the East = Finals, Championships. He's more impactful when you take into consideration that Lebron is better at accumulating stats.

[Gus Hemmingway]

Kawhi is better. More impactful. Just one year in the East = Finals, Championships. He's more impactful when you take into consideration that Lebron is better at accumulating stats.

Any player can look good if they join a #1 seed

[Kingwillball]

Kawhi is better. More impactful. Just one year in the East = Finals, Championships. He's more impactful when you take into consideration that Lebron is better at accumulating stats.

U do realize Lebron on Raps swapped for Kawhi wins championship in 5 games max against same depleted warriors team kahwi just faced.

[warriorfan]

Been better for a couple of years now

[Mr Feeny]

U do realize Lebron on Raps swapped for Kawhi wins championship in 5 games max against same depleted warriors team kahwi just faced.

Lebron on the Raptors doesnt win the series.

[Mr Feeny]

Been better for a couple of years now

But he's also younger. He's better now. I think anyone who isnt a Lebron fanboy can see that.

But prime for prime, its Lebron.

[TheCorporation]

BREAKING NEWS regarding the 2020 season:

:lol

[Bronbron23]

Things Kawhi is better at than LeBron James

Better defender (don't bring me your stupid help defense)
Better offensive arsenal
Better shooter
Better 3 pt shooter
Better mid range shooter
Better clutch performer
Better Free Throw shooter
Off the ball

Things Lebron is better at than Kawhi:

- Recruiting
- Colluding
- Passing

Kawhi joining LeBron will be the end of this man's legacy. Especially if they join forces and they lose :roll: :oldlol: :lol kawhi may be better than lebron right now but LeBron is at the end of his career and kawhi is in his prime. LeBron in his prime was better than kawhi though

[RealSkipBayless]

U do realize Lebron on Raps swapped for Kawhi wins championship in 5 games max against same depleted warriors team kahwi just faced.
Facts. Majority of the key Warriors were injured. Lebron with that deep of a team would've swept them EASILY..

[RRR3]

Facts. Majority of the key Warriors were injured. Lebron with that deep of a team would've swept them EASILY..
Maybe maybe not.


You have to consider fit.

[Mr Feeny]

Facts. Majority of the key Warriors were injured. Lebron with that deep of a team would've swept them EASILY..do you Lebron fanboys actually believe the garbage you're saying? Are you trying to convince yourself of that tripe?

[NBAGOAT]

people thinking lebron would do better is pretty much solely based on giving playoff lebron the benefit of the doubt. I cant give that much to a 34 year old even if it was a thing the last 3 years.

My hot take is playoff lebron isnt that much worse than playoff kawhi defensively this year however. impact metrics had kawhi as a slight positive and like the 6th best defender for the raptors in the playoffs with gasol, siakam, ibaka, lowry, green ahead of him. My eye test wasnt too favorable to him either but it's not a good one granted.

Bron has a bad rep in playoffs because durant goes off vs the cavs but he clearly tries a little more in the playoffs imo. Say he's a small negative in the rs, being average and neutral in the playoffs is reasonable.

[superduper]

U do realize Lebron on Raps swapped for Kawhi wins championship in 5 games max against same depleted warriors team kahwi just faced.

Are you kidding me? lmao

Forget everything the Raps just did and base your thoughts on what your opinions were about Van Vleet/Siakam/Lowry/Ibaka at the very beginning of the season.

If Bran had that cast of players and they inevitably underperformed like every single Bran cast does they would be on the trading block for AD so fast you wouldn't know what hit you. Thinking otherwise is just delusional. It would be on ESPN everyday; FVV/Siakam/Green/Pick for AD?!?

The Raps were able to do what they did because the superstar of the team allowed player and ball movement. He allowed the cast to do what they do and to play to their strengths. Not hide them in the corners for drive and kick bail out 3pt chuck ups every single play. He didn't monopolize every single offensive possession in order to generate forced individual stats which overall are detrimental to the overall team play. Basketball isn't black and white. It isn't "OMG PUT THE KANG 27/7/7 ON THIS TEAM AND CHIP!! $TATS!!"

Bran and this Raps cast would be a complete joke and ESPN would be begging for an AD trade. It would be the same shit over again in a different scenario.

[Mr Feeny]

Are you kidding me? lmao

Forget everything the Raps just did and base your thoughts on what your opinions were about Van Vleet/Siakam/Lowry/Ibaka at the very beginning of the season.

If Bran had that cast of players and they inevitably underperformed like every single Bran cast does they would be on the trading block for AD so fast you wouldn't know what hit you. Thinking otherwise is just delusional. It would be on ESPN everyday; FVV/Siakam/Green/Pick for AD?!?

The Raps were able to do what they did because the superstar of the team allowed player and ball movement. He allowed the cast to do what they do and to play to their strengths. Not hide them in the corners for drive and kick bail out 3pt chuck ups every single play. Basketball isn't black and white. It isn't "OMG PUT THE KANG 27/7/7 ON THIS TEAM AND CHIP!! $TATS!!"

Bran and this Raps cast would be a complete joke and ESPN would be begging for an AD trade. It would be the same shit over again in a different scenario.

It's laughable, isnt it? Fans, for you. Utter delusion.

[aj1987]

Are you kidding me? lmao

Forget everything the Raps just did and base your thoughts on what your opinions were about Van Vleet/Siakam/Lowry/Ibaka at the very beginning of the season.

If Bran had that cast of players and they inevitably underperformed like every single Bran cast does they would be on the trading block for AD so fast you wouldn't know what hit you. Thinking otherwise is just delusional. It would be on ESPN everyday; FVV/Siakam/Green/Pick for AD?!?

The Raps were able to do what they did because the superstar of the team allowed player and ball movement. He allowed the cast to do what they do and to play to their strengths. Not hide them in the corners for drive and kick bail out 3pt chuck ups every single play. He didn't monopolize every single offensive possession in order to generate forced individual stats which overall are detrimental to the overall team play. Basketball isn't black and white. It isn't "OMG PUT THE KANG 27/7/7 ON THIS TEAM AND CHIP!! $TATS!!"

Bran and this Raps cast would be a complete joke and ESPN would be begging for an AD trade. It would be the same shit over again in a different scenario.
LeBron was two games away from beating a significantly better version of this Warriors team with D-League level players back in 2015. Injuries are the ONLY reason why the Warriors lost. Even with KD injured, the Warriors would've won with a healthy Klay.

With that being said, replace LeBron and Kawhi, LeBron sweeps these Warriors with KD and Klay injured.

[TheCorporation]

Laker boys walkin into Staples

https://media.giphy.com/media/roP84CyHiAEKs/giphy.gif

[305Baller]

Lakers about to sign Kawhi and trade LeBum


HAHAHAHAAHA

[sportjames23]

Kawhi lost in the 1st round in 2015...


So he automatically can never be as good as LeBron, who never lost in the 1st round

Kawhi is 2-1 in the Finals. He already has a leg up on Bron, who, as you especially are painfully aware, is only 3-6. One more ring for Kawhi and it’s a done deal. Bron better hope Kawhi signs with the Lakers so he can still have a chance of improving his Finals record.

[stalkerforlife]

Now and all time.

Won without a super team.

[Kingwillball]

Lebron on the Raptors doesnt win the series.

Lol.. wake up Kawhi played bad gm 1 raps won another gm had 2 points in 4th and won.. but keep telling yourself that.

[DoctorP]

Now and all time.

Won without a super team.

Leonard had a Wade-esque run to the ship. Warriors were Fd, of course, but it was a good run.

[Vino24]

LeBron James at 35 years old is on par with prime Kawhi as a player. Let that sink in

[Boogaboog]

Is this in doubt. He has less personality than Bron, but that's it.

[Mr Feeny]

Lol.. wake up Kawhi played bad gm 1 raps won another gm had 2 points in 4th and won.. but keep telling yourself that.

If convincing yourself that helps you sleep at night, then by all means, go ahead.

[Mr Feeny]

LeBron James at 35 years old is on par with prime Kawhi as a player. Let that sink in

He isn't really "on par" with Kawhi. Kawhi is head and shoulders above him at the moment. Why do you think he's growling at Kawhis feet and begging him to join? Peak vs peak is another argument.

[Vino24]

He isn't really "on par" with Kawhi. Kawhi is head and shoulders above him at the moment. Why do you think he's growling at Kawhis feet and begging him to join? Peak vs peak is another argument.
So Kawhi can take the defensive load like Pippen

[bullettooth]

Yes... Except for the jumper. Kawhis midrange jumper is better than LeBrons ever was.

While LeBron was jumping over and huffing and puffing getting to the line Kawhi, like MJ, gets those sweet pullup Js to fall.

Don't forget LeBron's patented stiff arm.

http://i68.tinypic.com/107kfwg.jpg

[SpaceJammeR]

Lmao at idiots thinking lebron wouldn

[Bawkish]

Lmao at idiots thinking lebron wouldn’t sweep this injured warriors team. Add in the fact that kawhi was no where special this series and the final game he was the 4th highest scorer on his team. Hate can drive people blind. Just imagine beating this years warriors and the same guys saying kawhi is god because of it would be saying asterisk ring. Get real.

this is laughable, talk about Lebron & his experiences with sweeps :lol

only guys like Lowry & DeRozan were the ones that only Lebron could sweep

SMH at these Bron dickriders logic

[SpaceJammeR]

this is laughable, talk about Lebron & his experiences with sweeps :lol

only guys like Lowry & DeRozan were the ones that only Lebron could sweep

SMH at these Bron dickriders logic

Nah coming back down 3-1 against a team 10x this injured warriors team is way better than a sweep.

[TheCorporation]

Nah coming back down 3-1 against a team 10x this injured warriors team is way better than a sweep.

https://i.postimg.cc/sgvGPpB0/6s3PC5F.gif


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https://i.postimg.cc/sgvGPpB0/6s3PC5F.gif

[Mr Feeny]

So Kawhi can take the defensive load like Pippen

Non-sequiter. Jordan, Pippen, and Kawhi are both much better defensively than Lebron was, and is.

Not sure what that has to do with this 2019 version of Lebron matching up with Kawhi. There is a big difference between them at the moment.

[Mr Feeny]

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https://i.postimg.cc/sgvGPpB0/6s3PC5F.gif

Taking 7 games against the Curry-Kawhi-Klay Warriors while having your 2nd option average 27ppg and hit the title winning shot in the last minute of game 7 after both teams had choked and failed to score in the previous 4-5 minutes is not more impressive than beating the Warriors and ending their dynasty in 6 games without a single other superstar.

[TheCorporation]

Taking 7 games against the Curry-Kawhi-Klay Warriors while having your 2nd option average 27ppg and hit the title winning shot in the last minute of game 7 after both teams had choked and failed to score in the previous 4-5 minutes is not more impressive than beating the Warriors and ending their dynasty in 6 games without a single other superstar.

What if I told you LeBron James led all players in all statistical categories? /Morpheus

[TheCorporation]

Taking 7 games against the Curry-Kawhi-Klay Warriors while having your 2nd option average 27ppg and hit the title winning shot in the last minute of game 7 after both teams had choked and failed to score in the previous 4-5 minutes is not more impressive than beating the Warriors and ending their dynasty in 6 games without a single other superstar.

What if I told you LeBron James had the game winning block? /Morpheus

[TheCorporation]

Taking 7 games against the Curry-Kawhi-Klay Warriors while having your 2nd option average 27ppg and hit the title winning shot in the last minute of game 7 after both teams had choked and failed to score in the previous 4-5 minutes is not more impressive than beating the Warriors and ending their dynasty in 6 games without a single other superstar.

What if I told you LeBron James had the highest ranked Finals GameScore #1 ranked game all time? And the highest back to back Finals GameScore all time? And the highest 3 game stretch Finals GameScore all time? /Morpheus

[aj1987]

Taking 7 games against the Curry-Kawhi-Klay Warriors while having your 2nd option average 27ppg and hit the title winning shot in the last minute of game 7 after both teams had choked and failed to score in the previous 4-5 minutes is not more impressive than beating the Warriors and ending their dynasty in 6 games without a single other superstar.
Are you high?

It wasn't Kawhi that ended the Warriors. It was the ACL and Achilles of Klay and KD, which did them in. If Klay alone was healthy, the Warriors win in 6 easily. If Klay and KD were healthy, the Warriors would've swept the Raptors. If this was LeBron beating a team without their #1 and #3, you idiots would've still been crying about how it was an asterisk title.

Since we're talking about choking and not scoring in the 4th Q, Kawhi went 0-4 in the 4th, and the only points he got were when the Warriors called for a TO (one which they did not have). Meanwhile, LeBron stopped a Warriors run and scored 8 straight points, to put the Cavs up by two. Not to mention the fact that he lead both the teams in scoring with 11 points.

Yeah, this title definitely deserves an asterisk and Kawhi was good, but he wasn't LeBron/MJ/Shaq/etc. level, so lets not act like he was. A ton of players could've replaced him and won the title in his place.

[Mr Feeny]

What if I told you LeBron James had the highest ranked Finals GameScore #1 ranked game all time? And the highest back to back Finals GameScore all time? And the highest 3 game stretch Finals GameScore all time? /Morpheus

It wouldn't change the fact that he needed a 27ppg scoring 2nd option who scored the title winning shot on an isolation against the reigning MVP in the last minute of a game 7 to beat the Curry-Klay-Green Warriors, which Kawhi just did with much worse help.

[ImKobe]

Are you high?

It wasn't Kawhi that ended the Warriors. It was the ACL and Achilles of Klay and KD, which did them in. If Klay alone was healthy, the Warriors win in 6 easily. If Klay and KD were healthy, the Warriors would've swept the Raptors. If this was LeBron beating a team without their #1 and #3, you idiots would've still been crying about how it was an asterisk title.

Since we're talking about choking and not scoring in the 4th Q, Kawhi went 0-4 in the 4th, and the only points he got were when the Warriors called for a TO (one which they did not have). Meanwhile, LeBron stopped a Warriors run and scored 8 straight points, to put the Cavs up by two. Not to mention the fact that he lead both the teams in scoring with 11 points.

Yeah, this title definitely deserves an asterisk and Kawhi was good, but he wasn't LeBron/MJ/Shaq/etc. level, so lets not act like he was. A ton of players could've replaced him and won the title in his place.

:roll: :roll: the amount of salt in this post.

Are we forgetting that the Warriors win in 5 if Draymond doesn't get suspended? Didn't the Cavs benefit from the suspension plus injuries to Bogut and Iguodala? Didn't Lebron have his 8-point run thanks to Bogut being injured and Kerr putting Ezeli in the game, who fouls him on a 3-point attempt and then leaves him wide open on the next one in B2B possessions? Didn't Irving score 10 straight points in the 4th quarter of Game 5 to put that game away? Didn't Irving hit the series-winning shot?

[Manny98]

The Fam already shut this thread down, nothing more i need to say :applause:

[aj1987]

the amount of salt in this post.
Those are called facts, kid. Something which you Brick turds are deathly allergic to.


Are we forgetting that the Warriors win in 5 if Draymond doesn't get suspended?
No, they don't. Draymond played the Final two games and the Warriors still lost. The Cavs were just better. This is besides the FACT that Draymond was suspended for being an ape. People (IIRC, you were one of them, crying in the GT's) were whining as to why Green wasn't being suspended. His suspension was a result of accumulation of FF points and not a standalone suspension.


Didn't the Cavs benefit from the suspension
Not really. Are you going to cry about played being in foul trouble now? It's the players fault for letting it get to that point.


plus injuries to Bogut and Iguodala?
Ignoring the FACT that Bogut was an inconsequential scrub, the Cavs had their fair share of injuries. They lost their #2 in Love, who was severely limited even after coming back. Irving injured his ankle and was limited in G7. Shump and JR were playing through injuries as well.


Didn't Lebron have his 8-point run thanks to Bogut being injured and Kerr putting Ezeli in the game who fouls him on a 3-point attempt and then leaves him wide open on the next one in B2B possessions?
As for Bogut:

#1 - Bogut played a total of 12 minutes a game.
#2 - Bogut played in ONE 4th Q and GSW were leading by 20+
#3 - Game 5, when Bogut was playing, LeBron scored 25 (the first half)
#4 - Bogut was a net negative in the Finals

Yeah, even with a healthy Bogut, the Cavs weren't losing. The Cavs also do not win without Love. Love was more important to the Cavs than Bogut was to the Warriors. The Warriors could've still won, if it wasn't for Ezeli's foul, Curry's retarded behind the back pass, and a plethora of bricks in the clutch in G7. Again, WITHOUT Bogut. The Cavs don't win without Love.

Even if we exclude the game in which Bogut was injured, dude was averaging 3 rebounds a game. Now we're acting like he was a rebounding monster? Laughable. Also, Warriors got out rebounded in Games 1 & 3. WITH a HEALTHY Bogut. Funny how you forgot to mention that part.

Bogut missed 12 games in the RS and the Warriors went 11-1 in those games. The one loss coming against the Spurs, in a game in which Curry and Klay played like dog shit. Bogut was also a net negative in games 1, 3, 4, and 5. His minutes also fell significantly in the Finals. He played more minutes in the first 3 rounds in the WC.

If we go back to the previous season, Bogut BARELY played in the '15 Finals. The Cavs were crushing the Warriors with Bogut in the lineup and it pretty much reversed, when he was done.

So yeah, the Warriors small ball lineup >> their lineup with Bogut in it. Bogut's injury wasn't the reason Warriors lost.

Also, of those 8 points, LeBron was fouled on a 3 and hit a 3 pointer. :roll: @ Bogut trying to guard LeBron on the perimeter.

Bogut also played ONE 4th quarter in the entire series and that was when the Warriors were up like 25 points. Dude was trash in that quarter.


Didn't Irving score 10 straight points in the 4th quarter of Game 5 to put that game away? Didn't Irving hit the series-winning shot?
Game 7 - LeBron scored 11 of the Cavs' 18 points in the 4th Q. LeBron scored in one quarter nearly what Wilt averages for his CAREER in the Finals. After GSW went up 4, LeBron scored 6 straight points to keep the Cavs in the game. Scored 8 straight points at one point. Singlehandedly kept the Cavs in the game.

The four minute stretch? Neither team scored a SINGLE point until Kyrie made that incredible 3. LeBron also had the block and the game and title sealing FT in the end.

#2 Kyrie being more clutch than LeBron:

The Cavs were struggling and LeBron scored 11 points in the 4th Q. 8 straight points at one point and scored 6 straight after GSW were up 4 and with all the momentum. Dude absolutely killed their momentum and gave the Cavs a 2pt lead. He also has the game saving block on Iggy.

Irving in the 4th Q's of the Finals:

https://s22.postimg.org/wjpp7uq8x/Screen_Shot_2016_09_06_at_11_31_25_PM.png

LeBron in the 4th Q's of the Finals:

https://s10.postimg.io/ckzotdxft/Screen_Shot_2016_09_08_at_12_53_42_AM.png

LeBron in the 4th Q's of the Finals (last 3 games):

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LeBron in the 4th Q's of the Finals (last 2 games):

https://s10.postimg.io/wjfjvri4p/Screen_Shot_2016_09_08_at_12_55_15_AM.png

Kyrie in the 4th Q's of the Finals (last 2 games):

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Dude scored 3/2/1 on 36% TS. He gets called the clutch god or whatever for making that one 3 when the game was tied. How the heck can you call LeBron a choker and Kyrie clutch AF, when it's not even close to being true.

[superduper]

AJ meltdowns are the funniest shit :roll:

[ImKobe]

Game 5 is different from Game 7 because Bogut and Iguodala were both healthy to start the game, you add Draymond to the mix and it's a different outcome.

[Kingwillball]

Another reason. I want to see them on same team who is the real swinging d!ck ..

[SpaceJam2]

Game 5 is different from Game 7 because Bogut and Iguodala were both healthy to start the game, you add Draymond to the mix and it's a different outcome.
LeBron's game 6 in 2016 with Draymond playing was the greatest performance in Finals history


Literally

#1 ranked GameScore

Literally

Goodbye

[k0kakw0rld]

kawhi may be better than lebron right now but LeBron is at the end of his career and kawhi is in his prime. LeBron in his prime was better than kawhi though
LeBron in his prime had prime Wade and Bosh. Kawhi had Lowry and Siakam as his running mates. I am sorry I got to hit when it hurts. The truth always hurts bro. Accept it my friend, It will set you free.

[3ball]

Giannis lost with a 60-win, 1 seed with Middleton as the 2nd star, while Lebron did the exact same thing with Jamison and Mo Williams

Both Giannis and Lebron lacked repertoire and their basic style was exposed

Maybe Giannis will team up with Wade/Riley and learn how to win and play off teammates

[aj1987]

AJ meltdowns are the funniest shit :roll:
I'm sorry that those facts hurt your feelings, you inbred retard. :cheers:

[red1]

yep. I'll take prime just turned 28 kawhi over 35 year old more mileage than jeanie buss' puzzy current lakers lebron.




lakers fans would be very lucky if they get a true first option in kawhi.

[Duncan21formvp]

This isn't new information. Even Lebron knows Kawhi was and is better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVTU-Gd3T10

[k0kakw0rld]

https://zupimages.net/up/19/52/d7e1.jpg (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=19/52/d7e1.jpg)

Left Canada only to return home to take the keys of LA from LeBron.


He's now a better closer than LeBron James

[Ghost1]

Kawhi on guarding LeBron- "It’s not about me guarding a player 1-on-1. We’ve been losing a lot of games from team defense, not even 1-on-1 matchups. For me, it feels like we need more team defense other than you overemphasizing me guarding LeBron or their best player."

[Overdrive]

[QUOTE=SpaceJammeR]Lmao at idiots thinking lebron wouldn

[StrongLurk]

OP is correct...but this shouldn't surprise anyone.

Kawhi right now is better than any aged 35 superstar ever...father time is the true GOAT.

[Lebron23]

Kawhi is choker only scored 14 points in a do or die game.

[plowking]

Kawhi is choker only scored 14 points in a do or die game.

Still salty and passive aggressive to this day.

Kawhi and LeBron is still a debate regardless of any results in the playoffs.

[TheGoatest]

If you replace LeBron with Kawhi tonight, this is what InsideHoops servers would look like from the amount of posts made:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/0292b72eab269c7903683de6ae5ea4d4/tenor.gif?itemid=3432374

[TheGoatest]

Still salty and passive aggressive to this day.

Kawhi and LeBron is still a debate regardless of any results in the playoffs.

It was never a debate that LeBron is better, even after last season's lucky bounce against the Sixers and the Durant-Klay-less Warriors win.

[Jingo]

Kawhit

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs

Learning to win (organic) entails learning to produce without the offense revolving around you, which elevates teammates.

Kawhi took this knowledge of how to win to Toronto and easily won the weak East with Lowry despite facing Giannis/Middleton (better comp than Lebron ever had in the East).. Imagine Lebron winning with Lowry - everyone would say it was the biggest carry-job in the world.

Unfortunately, Lebron never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolve around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles.. Since he never learned how to elevate teammates, he never learned how to win (organic chemistry) and had to team-hop (talent-based winning).. So he never made anyone better - he simply amassed enough talent to win (all-star game strategy), which loses to organic ball movement (lottery record vs Spurs, Mavs, Warriors)

[SouBeachTalents]

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Thread Cliffs

Learning to win (organic) entails learning to produce without the offense revolving around you, which elevates teammates.

Kawhi took this knowledge of how to win to Toronto and easily won the weak East with Lowry despite facing Giannis/Middleton (better comp than Lebron ever had in the East).. Imagine Lebron winning with Lowry - everyone would say it was the biggest carry-job in the world.

Unfortunately, Lebron never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolve around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles.. Since he never learned how to elevate teammates, he never learned how to win (organic chemistry) and had to team-hop (talent-based winning).. So he never made anyone better - he simply amassed enough talent to win (all-star game strategy), which loses to organic ball movement (lottery record vs Spurs, Mavs, Warriors)
:kobe:

I guess facing injured opponents like Curry, Kawhi & Giannis did doesn't factor into your "winning organically" formula.

[kawhileonard2]

This isn't new information. Even Lebron knows Kawhi was and is better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVTU-Gd3T10

Good post!

[3ba11]

:kobe:

I guess facing injured opponents like Curry, Kawhi & Giannis did doesn't factor into your "winning organically" formula.



Good teams weren't needed to win the East in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2007, and 2009 - that's 5 of 9 years, aka most of the time..

And the 2010 Celtics won 50 games with post-injury Garnett averaging 14/7, but they upset the #1 Cavs because Lebron averaged 21 on 34% for the last 3 games of that series..

So that's 6 weak teams in 10 years winning the East.. Only Lebron's super-teams interrupted this trend and then Butler/Kawhi won a few more conference titles with weak casts - if Lebron ever won with Lowry as sidekick, everyone would say it's the biggest carry-job ever..

So Lebron never carried teams because a good team wasn't needed to win the East - the best 2nd option in the conference and team of veteran champions was overkill to beat a bunch of 0-star teams in 2018, while his 07' run was matched by four other 1-star teams in that decade.

Ultimately, he couldn't win the East with home court advantage in 09' and 10', so he formed super-teams in a conference that 1-star teams were routinely winning..






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Why hasn't Lebron evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolve around him?.. Why hasn't he learned to stand in the corner for teammates (elevate teammates by playing off-ball)?.. Doesn't he know this elevates teammates to playmaker role and makes this role easier by spacing the lane and being the assist target/closer/bailout option at any point in the possession?

smh.. it does require quick iso ability and a willingness/capacity to take contested jumpers sometimes and have an aggressive scoring mentality, like other good wings in the league...

[Thenameless]

Funny. Most people would say Lebron is better than Kawhi right now. Will Kawhi score even half as many points as Lebron in the regular season or the playoffs? What about rebounds and assists? We already know Kawhi has half as many Championships.

[3ba11]

Funny. Most people would say Lebron is better than Kawhi right now. Will Kawhi score even half as many points as Lebron in the regular season or the playoffs? What about rebounds and assists? We already know Kawhi has half as many Championships.


Wade, AD, Kyrie, Westbrook, Bosh, Love > Lowry

If Lebron ever won with Lowry as his sidekick, it would be considered the biggest carry-job ever..

But he can't win with Lowry because Lebron can't carry the scoring load on the Finals level (can't defeat max defensive attention on the highest level), so he needs absolute juggernaut elite scorers to play sidekick that can match or nearly match his scoring.

the reason that Lebron needs equal-scoring partners and can't beat top teams with high-scoring carry-jobs is because his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat the best teams (09'), and Lebron's efficiency is poor at the additional jumpshooting volume required of carry-jobs (15').. Overall, Lebron has low assist teams that get massively out-assisted in the Finals.

[Spurs m8]

Funny. Most people would say Lebron is better than Kawhi right now. Will Kawhi score even half as many points as Lebron in the regular season or the playoffs? What about rebounds and assists? We already know Kawhi has half as many Championships.

If Kawhis winning and/or leading his team to championships, who gives a fvck.

You people need to get over stats stats stats.
Basketball is about WINS

WINS

WINS.

have you got it yet?

LeBarry is getting stats at the moment and they're literally costing his team WINS.

If he played better team ball and sacrificed maybe 6-8 points a game, it could do wonders for the Lakers.
But then again, his idea of getting team mates involved, is standing around with the ball for too long and then handing off a hot potato

[SouBeachTalents]

Wade, AD, Kyrie, Westbrook, Bosh, Love > Lowry

If Lebron ever won with Lowry as his sidekick, it would be considered the biggest carry-job ever..

But he can't win with Lowry because Lebron can't carry the scoring load on the Finals level (can't defeat max defensive attention on the highest level), so he needs absolute juggernaut elite scorers to play sidekick that can match or nearly match his scoring.

the reason that Lebron needs equal-scoring partners and can't beat top teams with high-scoring carry-jobs is because his high scoring is too ball-dominant to beat the best teams (09'), and Lebron's efficiency is poor at the additional jumpshooting volume required of carry-jobs (15').. Overall, Lebron has low assist teams that get massively out-assisted in the Finals.
Neither can Kawhi, who outscored his 2nd option (not Lowry btw) by 8.7 ppg in the Finals, failing to reach the 10 ppg threshold you're always spouting off about. Siakam scored more in the 2019 Finals than Wade did in 2013, Lowry more than Bosh, VanVleet more than Allen, Gasol more than Chalmers, you get the idea.

[Thenameless]

If Kawhis winning and/or leading his team to championships, who gives a fvck.

You people need to get over stats stats stats.
Basketball is about WINS

WINS

WINS.

have you got it yet?

LeBarry is getting stats at the moment and they're literally costing his team WINS.

If he played better team ball and sacrificed maybe 6-8 points a game, it could do wonders for the Lakers.
But then again, his idea of getting team mates involved, is standing around with the ball for too long and then handing off a hot potato

Regular season wins by themselves ain't much. We Laker fans count Championships. If Lebron goes on to beat Kareem's record, good for him. He and AD already won us a Championship. Everything else is just a bonus now, especially considering his advanced age.

I'm already wondering who the next superstar we build around will be after the Lebron era. I was hoping it would be AD, but now I'm not sure his health and/or motivation will allow that to happen.

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

His 2019 playoff run is better then any playoff run LeBron ever had. Now it's just about kawhi putting together a few more finals mvps and he will surpass LeBron for career value. Who gives a shit about his Russell Westbrook stat totals.

[AirBonner]

Can Kawhi get one mvp let alone four?