Why are MJ's rings so embarrassing? Meanwhile...LeBron's so great?

[SpaceJam2]

Why cant a single MJ stan ever answer this question with pride:

What was the best Finals team Jordan ever beat?

Why are his rings so embarrassing?

[ScalsFan21]

Put simply, I don't think MJ stans can even agree on Mike's crowning achievement since they were all weak sauce compared to what he had to work with. :lol

Meanwhile you got LeBron James beating one of the most impressive teams ever in SAS (hitting an all-time clutch shot in Game 7 that people like to try to forget about). 73-9, the GOAT achievement, was just gravy.

[3ball]

Put simply, I don't think MJ stans can even agree on Mike's crowning achievement since they were all weak sauce compared to what he had to work with. :lol

Meanwhile you got LeBron James beating one of the most impressive teams ever in SAS (hitting an all-time clutch shot in Game 7 that people like to try to forget about). 73-9, the GOAT achievement, was just gravy.
Lebron was mostly destroyed by the Spurs (1-2) and Warriors (1-3) - the one time he came through is an exception to the rule of him getting destroyed

Mostly losing and coming thru once in a rare while isn't goat

Otoh, mostly WINNING is the goat standard

[Bronbron23]

Why cant a single MJ stan ever answer this question with pride:

What was the best Finals team Jordan ever beat?

Why are his rings so embarrassing? what's more embarrassing is that your so low iq that you think that mj beating the best passer of all time and the second best scorer of all time is embarrassing. Common sense and all of the advanced metrics say that jazz team was great. They were better than every team LeBron beat in the finals except the warriors. 2012 okc were loaded but they were puppy's. None of there star players we're over 23. 2013 spurs were good but Duncan and manu were well past there prime. Jazz were better than both those teams.

LeBron's win against the warriors was better than any of mj's but mj still faced a very good team in the jazz. Sonic's were very good also.

[RealSkipBayless]

Still no answers.

Must

[3ball]

Why wouldn't MJ beat the KD-less warriors, considering Kawhi/Lebron beat them, and they're 8-10 in Finals games without KD (0-3 overall Finals record if not for injuries in 15')???

How is that a team that MJ can't beat??.... :biggums: ... I want answers..

Additionally, Lebron had his OWN super-team to beat the Warriors (2 all-star teammates), and therefore more firepower than MJ ever had - give MJ an extra all-star like Lebron had, and he would sweep any team in history

[SouBeachTalents]

Why wouldn't MJ beat the KD-less warriors, considering Kawhi/Lebron beat them, and they're 8-10 in Finals games without KD (0-3 overall Finals record if not for injuries in 15')???

How is that a team that MJ can't beat??.... :biggums: ... I want answers..

Additionally, Lebron had his OWN super-team to beat the Warriors (2 all-star teammates), and therefore more firepower than MJ ever had - give MJ an extra all-star like Lebron had, and he would sweep any team in history
Brings up injuries in 2015 but not this year :oldlol:

[paksat]

why do you keep trying to illicit a response for huh?

you keep trying to get a reaction out of the 4 or 5 mj fans here every single fcking day

kblaze you're pathetic for not banning these people, ban me I don't give af this forum is trash

[NBAGOAT]

what's more embarrassing is that your so low iq that you think that mj beating the best passer of all time and the second best scorer of all time is embarrassing. Common sense and all of the advanced metrics say that jazz team was great. They were better than every team LeBron beat in the finals except the warriors. 2012 okc were loaded but they were puppy's. None of there star players we're over 23. 2013 spurs were good but Duncan and manu were well past there prime. Jazz were better than both those teams.

LeBron's win against the warriors was better than any of mj's but mj still faced a very good team in the jazz. Sonic's were very good also.

you're correct, jazz do have stockton and malone and sonics have a great starting 5. Those teams are very good. I'm taking spurs over them however. Parker was in his prime in 13, kawhi is a top lvl defensive specialist at least, danny green is a great 3 and d guy and spurs had some great meaningful depth.

Meanwhile utah is unimpressive outside their top 4 and hornacek and russell arent all stars or anything, more super role player types like portland batum and demarre carroll. There's bench minutes there but they just doesnt play as well as the spurs imo

Sonics meanwhile have nice 5 but not the high end star in malone. I'm not sure prime kemp has a big edge over 13 duncan.

[3ball]

Brings up injuries in 2015 but not this year :oldlol:
How could you let yourself get lied to by the dumb media??... Doesn't that make you feel dumb and weak? .. :biggums:

Or I guess you don't realize that you're being bamboozled and successfully targeted by a marketing campaign... :confusedshrug:

The reality is that Lebron didn't face Durant in 15' or 16' - so Durant's injuries this year are irrelevant.. Furthermore, Durant actually gave the Warriors a 1 quarter boost in Game 5, which offsets Klay's missed quarter in Game 6 - so Klay only missed 1 game just like Dray in 16'..

Most importantly, Curry was hurt in 16' with 22.6 ppg compared to a healthy 30.5 this year.. Lebron never faced Cousins either, yet Cousins performed better (9/6) than his counterpart in 16' (bogut's 3/3).. Iggy was also banged up in 16' and played much better in 19'.

Accordingly, fans/media like yourself are simply deluding yourself - so the next time Lebron fails, you won't see it coming because you ignore facts like the ones I just posted.. just like you didn't see Lebron's missed playoffs this year or Kawhi exceeding Lebron's best East run this year..

[Vino24]

Curry 2016:360 dunks in practice and closed Thunder out scoring an outrageous amount of points.

[SpaceJam2]

[QUOTE=RealSkipBayless]Still no answers.

Must

[SpaceJam2]

Why wouldn't MJ beat the KD-less warriors, considering Kawhi/Lebron beat them, and they're 8-10 in Finals games without KD (0-3 overall Finals record if not for injuries in 15')???

How is that a team that MJ can't beat??.... :biggums: ... I want answers..

Additionally, Lebron had his OWN super-team to beat the Warriors (2 all-star teammates), and therefore more firepower than MJ ever had - give MJ an extra all-star like Lebron had, and he would sweep any team in history

What. Was. The.best. finals. Team. Jordan. Ever. Beat?

[3ball]

[QUOTE=Vino24]Curry 2016:360 dunks in practice and closed Thunder out scoring an outrageous amount of points.

[3ball]

What. Was. The.best. finals. Team. Jordan. Ever. Beat?
Again, all of MJ's Finals opponents would beat the KD-less Warriors, since everyone else did:

the KD-less Warriors are 8-10 without KD in the Finals (0-3 overall if not for 15' injuries) - so again, all of MJ's Finals opponents were better . They didn't make as many Finals because there was more parity in the 90's west (more than 1 good team in the conference)

[SouBeachTalents]

How could you let yourself get lied to by the dumb media??... Doesn't that make you feel dumb and weak? .. :biggums:

Or I guess you don't realize that you're being bamboozled and successfully targeted by a marketing campaign... :confusedshrug:

The reality is that Lebron didn't face Durant in 15' or 16' - so Durant's injuries this year are irrelevant.. Furthermore, he actually gave the Warriors a 1 quarter boost in Game 5, which offsets Klay's missed quarter in Game 6 - so Klay only missed 1 game just like Dray in 16'..

Most importantly, Curry was hurt in 16' with 22.6 ppg compared to a healthy 30.5 this year.. Lebron never faced Cousins either, yet Cousins performed better (9/6) than his counterpart in 16' (bogut's 3/3).. Iggy was also banged up in 16' and played much better in 19'.

Accordingly, fans/media like yourself are simply deluding yourself - so the next time Lebron fails, you won't see it coming because you ignore facts like the ones I just posted.. just like you didn't see Lebron's missed playoffs this year or Kawhi exceeding Lebron's best East run this year
Klay missed all of Game 3 PLUS two different 4th quarters in Games 2 and 6, with the Warriors going 1-2 in those games. You're a clown if you don't think Klay playing the rest of Game 6 wouldn't have changed the outcome. He was the best player on the floor in a game the Warriors were literally one shot away from forcing a Game 7 with Klay missing the entire 4th

And lol at bringing up Cousins. He was able to play in limited minutes but was clearly hampered by injury, dude looked very immobile and had some absolutely awful stretches of play.

And in what ways did Iggy play much better in 2019 specifically?

Obviously, Curry's repaired MCL couldn't take extended action, hence the Finals collapse -

destroyed Westbrook but locked up by Delly.. :confusedshrug:.. that MCL needed rest... But this year, he crushed one of the best defensive teams in recent memory, so his MCL was fine
More proof you have no idea what you're talking about. Delly barely played in 2016, you can't even get the series right :lol

[tpols]

The blazers, suns, and jazz were all better than teams like the old spurs...

its actually incredible that people think a team whose best player was a hamstrung tony parker to beat lebron james, dwayne wade, and chris bosh because of "role players"

like the heat didnt have battier, birdman, mike miller, ray allen, chalmers etc. on top of their collosal superstar advantage.

The teams MJ faced had prime charles barkley, karl malone, clyde drexler, john stockton, kevin johnson..

:biggums:

tony parker??

[NBAGOAT]

The blazers, suns, and jazz were all better than teams like the old spurs...

its actually incredible that people think a team whose best player was a hamstrung tony parker to beat lebron james, dwayne wade, and chris bosh because of "role players"

like the heat didnt have battier, birdman, mike miller, ray allen, chalmers etc. on top of their collosal superstar advantage.

The teams MJ faced had prime charles barkley, karl malone, clyde drexler, john stockton, kevin johnson..

:biggums:

tony parker??

spurs just had a better defense and/or played smarter than the teams you listed. I'm not saying i'm sure but it's a debate. Role players matter ask gs and tor this year and when you're looking at 4 or 5 guys it adds up the gaps. Green, Splitter, Neal, Diaw were very good compared to who like utah had imo. Duncan was old but also putting up wat 18/10 in 13, he was all-nba lvl and a top 15 player at least. He's the one you shouldnt be underselling(better than 93 kj for sure).

Also a counter is the sonics didnt have a top 5 superstar and for many are the bulls best opponent. You dont necessarily need one. Then there's a fact that the spurs from 12-15 are just a dominant rs team when healthy who only lost to really talented teams in the playoffs.

58 wins 6.7 srs is even underselling them because of pop's ridiculous load management(top guys usually played 60-70 games). Like it's a fact the best version the 14 spurs are insanely good when all their guys play. http://www.backpicks.com/2016/07/18/top-healthy-teams-in-nba-history/

[Wally450]

Brings up injuries in 2015 but not this year :oldlol:

And admires Kawhi's scoring in the 2014 Finals but trashes LeBron's when up 15+ points.

I believe you called him out on that...

[3ball]

Klay missed all of Game 3 PLUS two different 4th quarters in Games 2 and 6, with the Warriors going 1-2 in those games. You're a clown if you don't think Klay playing the rest of Game 6 wouldn't have changed the outcome. He was the best player on the floor in a game the Warriors were literally one shot away from forcing a Game 7 with Klay missing the entire 4th

And lol at bringing up Cousins. He was able to play in limited minutes but was clearly hampered by injury, dude looked very immobile and had some absolutely awful stretches of play.

And in what ways did Iggy play much better in 2019 specifically?

More proof you have no idea what you're talking about. Delly barely played in 2016, you can't even get the series right :lol
the Warriors don't win Game 5 without Durant's 12 point boost in the 1st quarter - that offsets Klay missing a quarter, and Dray's missed game offsets klays missed game

You claim that Klay missed another quarter - whoopdiwhoop - curry was injured in 16', and so was Iggy and bogut.. Klay was also vastly improved in 19' (26 on 59% threes), compared to 16' (19 on 35% threes)

Essentially, there's no material difference in injuries between 16' and 19', except curry was injured in 16' - everything else cancels out - you/media are simply liars and legacy-protectors.. period. Ur pathetic and have no space be or mind I found it your own

Btw, cousins had bad stretches, but he also had prominent good stretches.. but now we're talking about guys that played and who lebron never faced, so it's just more ways for you to be biased for Le3/9

[RealSkipBayless]

the Warriors don't win Game 5 without Durant's 12 point boost in the 1st quarter - that offsets Klay missing a quarter, and Dray's missed game offsets klays missed game

You claim that Klay missed another quarter - whoopdiwhoop - curry was injured in 16', and so was Iggy and bogut.. Klay was also vastly improved in 19' (26 on 59% threes), compared to 16' (19 on 35% threes)

Essentially, there's no material difference in injuries between 16' and 19', except curry was injured in 16' - everything else cancels out - you/media are simply liars and legacy-protectors.. period. Ur pathetic and have no space be or mind I found it your own

Btw, cousins had bad stretches, but he also had prominent good stretches.. but now we're talking about guys that played and who lebron never faced, so it's just more ways for you to be biased for Le3/9
:roll: :roll:

[NBAGOAT]

Btw, cousins had bad stretches, but he also had prominent good stretches..

:lol if you couldnt tell cousins was a big negative for the warriors who only played because the warriors had a lack of competent bodies, then you quite simply dont know how to watch modern basketball. Even if you box score watcb, he had one good game lol. Now the dude cant even get a mle from a team.

[3ball]

:roll: :roll:
Durant didn't play in 16' - so his injury is irrelevant

Without considering him, the 16' Warriors were missing more guys easily

Nothing can compare to Dray's suspension or Curry playing hurt

Dray cancels out Klay's missed game, and Durant's 1 quarter boost in Game 5 offsets Klay's missed quarter in Game 6

There is NO case for the 19' warriors being more injured than the 16' warriors, but the media and fans are just liars and deniers of the truth . Period. Carry on being a passive-aggressive fool. Your beta-ness can't help itself

[SpaceJam2]

Durant didn't play in 16' - so his injury is irrelevant

Without considering him, the 16' Warriors were missing more guys easily

Nothing can compare to Dray's suspension or Curry playing hurt

Dray cancels out Klay's missed game, and Durant's 1 quarter boost in Game 5 offsets Klay's missed quarter in Game 6

There is NO case for the 19' warriors being more injured than the 16' warriors, but the media and fans are just liars and deniers of the truth . Period. Carry on being a passive-aggressive fool. Your beta-ness can't help itself

:roll: :roll:

ALSO:
Why are MJ's rings so embarrassing? Meanwhile...LeBron's are so great?

[3ball]

:roll: :roll:

ALSO:
Why are MJ's rings so embarrassing? Meanwhile...LeBron's are so great?
Not responding and reposting the OP?

That means 3ball wins again, and proves you to be autistic

/thread

[SpaceJam2]

Not responding and reposting the OP?

That means 3ball wins again, and proves you to be autistic

/thread

Your post was as dumb as me saying:


MJ would be ringless without Scottie Pippen and have a Carmello Anthony type career

[NBAGOAT]

Not responding and reposting the OP?

That means 3ball wins again, and proves you to be autistic

/thread

your trolling is getting better. This gave me an audible chuckle :oldlol:

[oh the horror]

why do you keep trying to illicit a response for huh?

you keep trying to get a reaction out of the 4 or 5 mj fans here every single fcking day

kblaze you're pathetic for not banning these people, ban me I don't give af this forum is trash



This is why you keep seeing threads with hardly any replies. They

[SpaceJam2]

Which of Joran's rings is the LEAST embarrassing?




Let's make it simple

[3ball]

:rolleyes:
.

[3ball]

Which of Joran's rings is the LEAST embarrassing?




Let's make it simple
None

They were all goat rings that were carry-jobs with the worst offensive help of nearly every champion - Jordans worst ring > Kawhi this year.

Kawhi's strength is versatile, timely scoring, which wins way more than high-assist ball-dominators.. And MJ is the goat versatile, timely scorer - the very definition of it - he won six rings the same way others had their crowning achievements (06' Wade, 11' Dirk, 19' Kawhi, 17' Durant, Kobe, Bird, MJ, Duncan, etc).. MJ has 6 hero rings like this.. :applause:

[RealSkipBayless]

Durant didn't play in 16' - so his injury is irrelevant

Without considering him, the 16' Warriors were missing more guys easily

Nothing can compare to Dray's suspension or Curry playing hurt

Dray cancels out Klay's missed game, and Durant's 1 quarter boost in Game 5 offsets Klay's missed quarter in Game 6

There is NO case for the 19' warriors being more injured than the 16' warriors, but the media and fans are just liars and deniers of the truth . Period. Carry on being a passive-aggressive fool. Your beta-ness can't help itself
16' Warriors:
Curry (no proof of any injury)
Klay
Barnes
Draymond (gone one game)
Iggy
Livingston
Ezeli
Barbosa
Bogut (Hurt) (barely played in the series)

19' Warriors
Curry
Klay (played hurt entire series until he couldn't) (missed a full game + multiple quarters)
Durant (Out for 95% of the series)
Green
Boogie (played hurt entire series)
Iggy (played hurt entire series)
Looney (played hurt entire series)
Livingston
McKinnie

One does not appear like the other. :confusedshrug:

[SouBeachTalents]

16' Warriors:
Curry (no proof of any injury)
Klay
Barnes
Draymond (gone one game)
Iggy
Livingston
Ezeli
Barbosa
Bogut (Hurt) (barely played in the series)

19' Warriors
Curry
Klay (played hurt entire series until he couldn't) (missed a full game + multiple quarters)
Durant (Out for 95% of the series)
Green
Boogie (played hurt entire series)
Iggy (played hurt entire series)
Looney (played hurt entire series)
Livingston
McKinnie

One does not appear like the other. :confusedshrug:
http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Denzel-Washington-Boom-Gif.gif

[Leviathon1121]

why do you keep trying to illicit a response for huh?

you keep trying to get a reaction out of the 4 or 5 mj fans here every single fcking day

kblaze you're pathetic for not banning these people, ban me I don't give af this forum is trash
This, I wish he would ban 3ball, then it would just be alts talking to themselves and they would get bored.

[3ball]

16' Warriors:
Curry - had MCL surgery that didn't hold up in Finals - only 22 ppg
Klay - only 19 ppg and 35% threes
Barnes - 9 ppg player replaced by Boogie's 9 ppg
Draymond (gone one game - caused sea-change of momentum
Iggy - banged up
Livingston
Ezeli
Barbosa
Bogut (Hurt) (barely played in the series)


19' Warriors

Curry - healthy MCL and 30 ppg, dominated numerous games
Klay - 26 on 59% threes, so much better than 16'
Durant - played 1 quarter more than 16', which helped Warriors win Game 5
Green
Boogie - injured but still played
Iggy - banged up
Looney - banged up
Livingston
McKinnie

One does not appear like the other. :confusedshrug:
Fixed

Again, there's no material difference, and the media/fans are liars.. flat out liars and deniers of truth, all to protect Lebron

[Lakessss]

Fixed

Again, there's no material difference, and the media/fans are liars.. flat out liars and deniers of truth, all to protect Lebron
Um?

Draymond missing game 5 cancels out with Kevin Love missing game 2.
Kevin Love was injured throughout the entire playoffs and especially during the 2016 finals suffering a severe concussion which forced him out of a game and led to him only scoring 2 points in a single game despite playing well over 20 minutes.

Also you claimed Lebron had 2 all stars.
Actually, Kyrie wasn’t an all star that year and neither was Kevin Love.
Lebron had no all stars going against 3 in Dray, Klay, and Unanimous MVP Curry.

2019, Klay out a game, Boogie Hurt, KD out most of the series, Iggy hurt, Looney out a game. Yeaaah.. I don’t think 2016 and 2019 were the same at all.

[NBAGOAT]

Fixed

Again, there's no material difference, and the media/fans are liars.. flat out liars and deniers of truth, all to protect Lebron

the warriors not having 5 healthy players is a tangible difference :oldlol:

[3ball]

Um?

Draymond missing game 5 cancels out with Kevin Love missing game 2.
Kevin Love was injured throughout the entire playoffs and especially during the 2016 finals suffering a severe concussion which forced him out of a game and led to him only scoring 2 points in a single game despite playing well over 20 minutes.

Also you claimed Lebron had 2 all stars.
Actually, Kyrie wasn’t an all star that year and neither was Kevin Love.
Lebron had no all stars going against 3 in Dray, Klay, and Unanimous MVP Curry.

2019, Klay out a game, Boogie Hurt, KD out most of the series, Iggy hurt, Looney out a game. Yeaaah.. I don’t think 2016 and 2019 were the same at all.
Lebron didn't face Durant in 16', so why include it?... Bias... That's why .. you guys keep sneaking it in there, but that's a lie - it's an example of you guys lying to protect Lebron

So forget Durant - he's irrelevant, except he played 1 quarter that allowed the warriors to win Game 5, and this quarter offsets Klay's missed quarter in Game 6..

Ultimately, both teams had guys out or playing hurt - 2016 had Dray, Curry, Iggy, and Bogut, while 2019 had Klay, Looney, and Boogie

But only 2016 saw the top guy Curry hurt (22 ppg vs 30 this yr), and the #2 option improve significantly as a player (16' Klay at 19 on 35% the threes, versus 26 and 59% in 19')

You guys have no case and are just liars for Lebron.. literal liars.. saying the warriors were more injured than 16'.. it's a flat-out lie - Curry was hurt in 16'!!!

[sdot_thadon]

You're getting embarrassed and undressed itt bro.

[And1AllDay]

16' Warriors:
Curry (no proof of any injury)
Klay
Barnes
Draymond (gone one game)
Iggy
Livingston
Ezeli
Barbosa
Bogut (Hurt) (barely played in the series)

19' Warriors
Curry
Klay (played hurt entire series until he couldn't) (missed a full game + multiple quarters)
Durant (Out for 95% of the series)
Green
Boogie (played hurt entire series)
Iggy (played hurt entire series)
Looney (played hurt entire series)
Livingston
McKinnie

One does not appear like the other. :confusedshrug:

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Denzel-Washington-Boom-Gif.gif

[And1AllDay]

You're getting embarrassed and undressed itt bro.

2baLLLLLLLLL gettin full nekkid in this bih

Stripped down with all his sanity gone, just standing around nekkid

[And1AllDay]

[QUOTE=Lakessss]Um?

Draymond missing game 5 cancels out with Kevin Love missing game 2.
Kevin Love was injured throughout the entire playoffs and especially during the 2016 finals suffering a severe concussion which forced him out of a game and led to him only scoring 2 points in a single game despite playing well over 20 minutes.

Also you claimed Lebron had 2 all stars.
Actually, Kyrie wasn

[bullettooth]

Wheels spinning more than just his ride.

[And1AllDay]

Why cant a single MJ stan ever answer this question with pride:

What was the best Finals team Jordan ever beat?

Why are his rings so embarrassing?

a. They cant answer becos there shook and we all know that

b. Prob the Jazz but which version who knows they are both weak af

c. Becos he did not beat anyone worth mentioning playing in the weakest low skill era we have seen

[3ball]

None

They were all goat rings that were carry-jobs with the worst offensive help of nearly every champion - Jordans worst ring > Kawhi this year.

Kawhi's strength is versatile, timely scoring, which wins way more than high-assist ball-dominators.. And MJ is the goat versatile, timely scorer - the very definition of it - he won six rings the same way others had their crowning achievements (06' Wade, 11' Dirk, 19' Kawhi, 17' Durant, Kobe, Bird, MJ, Duncan, etc).. MJ has 6 hero rings like this.. :applause:
^^^ No responses to this, a legit response to the OP, just like OP requested.. but now he's on the run

Kinda hard to refute common knowledge, so I can't blame him

[TheMan]

3ball, you're a dumbass for entertaining the idiot OP's threads.

[And1AllDay]

^^^ No responses to this, a legit response to the OP, just like OP requested.. but now he's on the run

Kinda hard to refute common knowledge, so I can't blame him

Bruh you said Mikes rings were all goat rings :oldlol: The conversation was over the moment you said a lie that big :oldlol:

No one is gonna take you seriously when you say stuff like that.

Reality: All of Mikes rings were shit rings and you know it the only good one is maybe 96' Sonics or 97' Jazz

[And1AllDay]

3ball, you're a dumbass for entertaining the idiot OP's threads.

Which was Mikes best ring then :oldlol: :oldlol: Dont run now

[3ball]

3ball, you're a dumbass for entertaining the idiot OP's threads.
Agreed.. :lol .. my bad

[And1AllDay]

Agreed.. :lol .. my bad



Dont be scared to face your fears

Just think with reality thats the only request from me when taking about Mike

[MellowYellow]

MJ didn't miss the playoffs while in his prime

[And1AllDay]

MJ didn't miss the playoffs while in his prime

Which was Mikes best ring then and dont run now

[MellowYellow]

Which was Mikes best ring then and dont run now


I'd have to think about it, but off the rip 2 of Lebron's rings are courtesy of Ray Allen and Kyrie

[And1AllDay]

What. Was. The.best. finals. Team. Jordan. Ever. Beat?



Again, all of MJ's Finals opponents would beat the KD-less Warriors, since everyone else did:

the KD-less Warriors are 8-10 without KD in the Finals (0-3 overall if not for 15' injuries) - so again, all of MJ's Finals opponents were better . They didn't make as many Finals because there was more parity in the 90's west (more than 1 good team in the conference)


Yikes embarrassed of Mikes rings.

Cant even answer 4 pages later

[And1AllDay]

I'd have to think about it, but off the rip 2 of Lebron's rings are courtesy of Ray Allen and Kyrie

Which was Mikes best ring

[MellowYellow]

Which was Mikes best ring

93

[3ball]

Bruh you said Mikes rings were all goat rings :oldlol: The conversation was over the moment you said a lie that big :oldlol:

No one is gonna take you seriously when you say stuff like that.

Reality: All of Mikes rings were shit rings and you know it the only good one is maybe 96' Sonics or 97' Jazz
There's more than 1 criteria, but here's one: any ring where a player averaged 30+ is a goat ring

That's every ring MJ won except 96', where MJ had the series wrapped up after 3 games

Overall, MJ averaged 34 ppg on 49% in the Finals - so yes, every ring he won was a goat ring.. he's the goat championship player, aka goat

[LostCause]

FWIW, if LeBron gets rings as a THIRD option, you stans are gonna have your hands full propping them up without also propping up Kobes as a 2nd

[TheMan]

Which was Mikes best ring then :oldlol: :oldlol: Dont run now
92 Blazers
96 Sonic
97 Jazz

I know you doofuses don't have any other argument left but to throw shade at MJ's competition in a sorry attempt to explain why LeBron has failed so badly in the Finals...y'all grasping at straws. The MJ Bulls would beat a few of the teams LeBron has lost to.

[Bawkish]

Which was Mikes best ring

better than what your mom had last night

[sportjames23]

FWIW, if LeBron gets rings as a THIRD option, you stans are gonna have your hands full propping them up without also propping up Kobes as a 2nd


Oops. :oldlol:

[Manny98]

92 Blazers
96 Sonic
97 Jazz

I know you doofuses don't have any other argument left but to throw shade at MJ's competition in a sorry attempt to explain why LeBron has failed so badly in the Finals...y'all grasping at straws. The MJ Bulls would beat a few of the teams LeBron has lost to.
Those were the strongest teams that MJ has beaten?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Phoenix]

FWIW, if LeBron gets rings as a THIRD option, you stans are gonna have your hands full propping them up without also propping up Kobes as a 2nd

I look forward to seeing the same level of objectivity regarding 'competition' that was used for Lebron facing the Warriors, considering an AD/Lebron/Kawhi trio gives them an overwhelming competitive advantage, something the stans have argued as the reason for Lebron not beating Golden State in 17 and 18.

[And1AllDay]

92 Blazers
96 Sonic
97 Jazz

I know you doofuses don't have any other argument left but to throw shade at MJ's competition in a sorry attempt to explain why LeBron has failed so badly in the Finals...y'all grasping at straws. The MJ Bulls would beat a few of the teams LeBron has lost to.

Hol up so 92 Blazers was Mikes best Finals ring ...

Final answer?

[3ball]

Hol up so 92 Blazers was Mikes best Finals ring ...

Final answer?
The KD-less warriors are Lebron's best win and they suck . Everyone beats them and they're 8-10 overall in Finals games against 2 different opponents

Every team MJ faced in the Finals would beat the KD-less warriors, just like everyone else did

[And1AllDay]

I look forward to seeing the same level of objectivity regarding 'competition' that was used for Lebron facing the Warriors, considering an AD/Lebron/Kawhi trio gives them an overwhelming competitive advantage, something the stans have argued as the reason for Lebron not beating Golden State in 17 and 18.

Depending on who they face in the Finals if they even made it but yes this could be Brans first time as a favorite in the Finals

let it sink in


1st time

This aint 90s milkmen era with 10 point finals scorers :oldlol:

[Manny98]

FWIW, if LeBron gets rings as a THIRD option, you stans are gonna have your hands full propping them up without also propping up Kobes as a 2nd
LeBron will still average prime Magic numbers so no :no:

[And1AllDay]

The KD-less warriors are Lebron's best win and they suck . Everyone beats them and they're 8-10 overall in Finals games against 2 different opponents

Every team MJ faced in the Finals would beat the KD-less warriors, just like everyone else did

Slow down


breathe


relax


you know you already lost


was 92 blazers Mikes best ring? You agree with that ?

[And1AllDay]

LeBron will still average prime Magic numbers so no :no:

2baLLLLL so shook we are 5 pages in and he still cant answer a single basic question :oldlol: He is so embarrassed of all of Mikes rings


Funny stuff but also true stuf


Imagine having 6 rings and all of them are cupcake rings

[And1AllDay]

Those were the strongest teams that MJ has beaten?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Thats what Im saying


Dude literally ended the goat debate when Mikes best finals wins was 92 blazers lets see the roster right here it is boys

get read to laugh at Mikes best finals team win:

Clyde Drexler
Kevin Duckworth
Terry Porter
Clifford Robinson
Buck Williams
Jerome Kersey

Blazers in 92
1 all nba player: Drexler
1 all star: Drexler


Bulls in 92
2 all nba player: Mike and Pipp
2 all stars: Mike and Pipp


Not looking good Mike fans...Ready?


Warriors in 16
3 all nba players: Dray, Klay, Chef Curry
3 all stars: Dray, Klay, Chef Curry

Cavs in 16
1 all nba player: LeBron
1 all star: LeBron

[Phoenix]

Depending on who they face in the Finals if they even made it but yes this could be Brans first time as a favorite in the Finals

let it sink in


1st time

This aint 90s milkmen era with 10 point finals scorers :oldlol:

This of course is factually incorrect:

https://www.thespread.com/nba-articles/052711-2011-nba-finals-odds-to-win-heat-favored-over-mavericks

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/06/04/nba-finals-odds-miami-heat-san-antonio-spurs

Even if he was an underdog in the finals the other times, beating the Thunder was certainly no insurmountable feat and I'm not sure why they were favored anyway. It was 2012, so perhaps oddsmakers couldn't be sure if Lebron would pull a 2011 again :confusedshrug: . And really, the 2016 Cavs are underrated because of the Warriors regular season. They proved to not be nearly that dominant, something the Thunder nearly exposed before the finals.

An AD/Kawhi/Lebron trio against anyone in the league gives him the same edge you would argue Golden state has enjoyed on him when KD joined them. I expect you to hold the same standard should the Lakers breeze to a title next year.

[3ball]

This of course is factually incorrect:

https://www.thespread.com/nba-articles/052711-2011-nba-finals-odds-to-win-heat-favored-over-mavericks

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/06/04/nba-finals-odds-miami-heat-san-antonio-spurs

Even if he was an underdog in the finals the other times, beating the Thunder was certainly no insurmountable feat and I'm not sure why they were favored anyway. It was 2012, so perhaps oddsmakers couldn't be sure if Lebron would pull a 2011 again :confusedshrug: . And really, the 2016 Cavs are underrated because of the Warriors regular season. They proved to not be nearly that dominant, something the Thunder nearly exposed before the finals.

An AD/Kawhi/Lebron trio against anyone in the league gives him the same edge you would argue Golden state has enjoyed on him when KD joined them. I expect you to hold the same standard should the Lakers breeze to a title next year.
Aaaand another one

[And1AllDay]

This of course is factually incorrect:

https://www.thespread.com/nba-articles/052711-2011-nba-finals-odds-to-win-heat-favored-over-mavericks

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/06/04/nba-finals-odds-miami-heat-san-antonio-spurs

Even if he was an underdog in the finals the other times, beating the Thunder was certainly no insurmountable feat and I'm not sure why they were favored anyway. It was 2012, so perhaps oddsmakers couldn't be sure if Lebron would pull a 2011 again :confusedshrug: . And really, the 2016 Cavs are underrated because of the Warriors regular season. They proved to not be nearly that dominant, something the Thunder nearly exposed before the finals.

An AD/Kawhi/Lebron trio against anyone in the league gives him the same edge you would argue Golden state has enjoyed on him when KD joined them. I expect you to hold the same standard should the Lakers breeze to a title next year.

12' thunder squad with KD, Russ Wess, Harden, Ibaka, Sefalosha and you wondering why there were a slight fav

Plus the 12' thunder went 12-3 in the playoffs before the finals so keep your info straight becos they had a epic run until they ran into buzzsaw James

[And1AllDay]

Dude literally ended the goat debate when Mikes best finals wins was 92 blazers lets see the roster right here it is boys

Blazers in 92
1 all nba player: Drexler
1 all star: Drexler


Bulls in 92
2 all nba player: Mike and Pipp
2 all stars: Mike and Pipp


Not looking good Mike fans...Ready?


Warriors in 16
3 all nba players: Dray, Klay, Chef Curry
3 all stars: Dray, Klay, Chef Curry

Cavs in 16
1 all nba player: LeBron
1 all star: LeBron

sorry bro i know this morning will hurt but facts are facts

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-44hzKZJRN1g/UXuaC5Ch5UI/AAAAAAAAQZo/rOrAbMbeOLc/s1600/coffin.jpg

[Phoenix]

12' thunder squad with KD, Russ Wess, Harden, Ibaka, Sefalosha and you wondering why there were a slight fav

Plus the 12' thunder went 12-3 in the playoffs before the finals so keep your info straight becos they had a epic run until they ran into buzzsaw James

Nobody you mentioned on the Thunder had an ounce of experience in the finals to know how they'd respond. The Heat were the veteran team, coming off the finals , with peak Lebron considered the best player in the league, Wade was still prime, Bosh, and a much improved bench over 2011. Lebron as the recognized best player should have been enough to tip the scales. Harden put up 12/5/4 on 53% TS, and Ibaka 7/5/1 on 46% TS. You throw up Selfalosha's name as if guys like Battier, Chalmers or Mike Miller weren't effective counterpoints to someone like that. Keep your info straight before you start dropping names without looking at what those names actually did.

Since you guys like dropping GmSc, here's a look at how it panned out:

Lebron 23.6
Durant 20.7
Westbrook 18.9
Bosh 11.9
Battier 9.3
Chalmers/Harden 8.4
Ibaka 6.6
Miller 5.2
Sefolosha 3.2

Seems to me the Heat were more than fine when you got Mario Chalmers putting up the same GmSc as James Harden.

[And1AllDay]

Nobody you mentioned on the Thunder had an ounce of experience in the finals to know how they'd respond. The Heat were the veteran team, coming off the finals , with peak Lebron considered the best player in the league, Wade was still prime, Bosh, and a much improved bench over 2011. Lebron as the recognized best player should have been enough to tip the scales. Harden put up 12/5/4 on 53% TS, and Ibaka 7/5/1 on 46% TS. You throw up Selfalosha's name as if guys like Battier, Chalmers or Mike Miller weren't effective counterpoints to someone like that. Keep your info straight before you start dropping names without looking at what those names actually did.

Since you guys like dropping GmSc, here's a look at how it panned out:

Lebron 23.6
Durant 20.7
Westbrook 18.9
Bosh 11.9
Battier 9.3
Chalmers/Harden 8.4
Ibaka 6.6
Miller 5.2
Sefolosha 3.2

Seems to me the Heat were more than fine when you got Mario Chalmers putting up the same GmSc as James Harden.

So is GmSc the best metric to use? I need to know before I respond :pimp:

careful now

[superduper]

Why do you idiots keep responding to these ****ing morons :facepalm

Just leave this idiot's threads with no responses instead of being baited into 6 pages of straight jack assery

[And1AllDay]

And dont forget this gem.

That dude straight up ended the goat debate when Mikes best finals wins was 92 blazers so get read to laugh at Mikes best finals team win:

Blazers in 92
1 all nba player: Drexler
1 all star: Drexler


Bulls in 92
2 all nba player: Mike and Pipp
2 all stars: Mike and Pipp


Not looking good Mike fans...Ready?


Warriors in 16
3 all nba players: Dray, Klay, Chef Curry
3 all stars: Dray, Klay, Chef Curry

Cavs in 16
1 all nba player: LeBron
1 all star: LeBron

sorry bro i know this morning will hurt but facts are facts

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[And1AllDay]

Why do you idiots keep responding to these ****ing morons :facepalm

Just leave this idiot's threads with no responses instead of being baited into 6 pages of straight jack assery

are facts bait now? Get a grip superdumber

[Phoenix]

So is GmSc the best metric to use? I need to know before I respond :pimp:

careful now

Don't care about your bullshit. Same standards....that's all for today.

[And1AllDay]

Don't care about your bullshit. Same standards....that's all for today.

just as i thought, never a straight answer :oldlol:

Why are MJ's rings so embarrassing? Meanwhile...LeBron's so great?

[Hey Yo]

This of course is factually incorrect:

https://www.thespread.com/nba-articles/052711-2011-nba-finals-odds-to-win-heat-favored-over-mavericks

https://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/06/04/nba-finals-odds-miami-heat-san-antonio-spurs

Even if he was an underdog in the finals the other times, beating the Thunder was certainly no insurmountable feat and I'm not sure why they were favored anyway. It was 2012, so perhaps oddsmakers couldn't be sure if Lebron would pull a 2011 again :confusedshrug: . And really, the 2016 Cavs are underrated because of the Warriors regular season. They proved to not be nearly that dominant, something the Thunder nearly exposed before the finals.

An AD/Kawhi/Lebron trio against anyone in the league gives him the same edge you would argue Golden state has enjoyed on him when KD joined them. I expect you to hold the same standard should the Lakers breeze to a title next year.
Maybe due to OKC going 12-3 in route to the Finals that postseason? Had 3 All-NBA players that included the scoring champion while another led the league in blocks and finished runner-up for DPOY. Then also throw in them having the 6MOY.

On the other side, Miami only had Bosh for 4 of the 13 combined games of the ECSF and ECF. His health was shady heading into the Finals.

[And1AllDay]

Maybe due to OKC going 12-3 in route to the Finals that postseason? Had 3 All-NBA players that included the scoring champion while another led the league in blocks and finished runner-up for DPOY. Then also throw in them having the 6MOY.

On the other side, Miami only had Bosh for 4 of the 13 combined games of the ECSF and ECF. His health was shady heading into the Finals.


careful


these guys dont like facts they like emotions so they prob wont respond

they are the "you are a dumb ass fggot!!" type dudes

when the facts come up, they run out

[Phoenix]

Maybe due to OKC going 12-3 in route to the Finals that postseason? Had 3 All-NBA players that included the scoring champion while another led the league in blocks and finished runner-up for DPOY. Then also throw in them having the 6MOY.

On the other side, Miami only had Bosh for 4 of the 13 combined games of the ECSF and ECF. His health was shady heading into the Finals.

Maybe. A healthy Heat squad should have been the favorite and really the series played out as it should have.

[Phoenix]

careful


these guys dont like facts they like emotions so they prob wont respond

they are the "you are a dumb ass fggot!!" type dudes

when the facts come up, they run out

All I need from you is objectivity if AD/Kawhi/Lebron breeze to a title. You excuse Lebron's 1-4 against the Warriors because of a competitive/talent deficit, so I expect you to do the same for whichever team likely loses to the Lakers if Kawhi lands. I expect you to downplay Lebron winning a ring because nobody should be beating him with AD and Kawhi. That's it, you harping about MJ is immaterial to what I'm talking about, so that's your cross to bear basing your existence around that schtick.

AD/KAwhi/Lebron, competition next year. That's my point. Stay focused.

[SpaceJam2]

And dont forget this gem.

That dude straight up ended the goat debate when Mikes best finals wins was 92 blazers so get read to laugh at Mikes best finals team win:

Blazers in 92
1 all nba player: Drexler
1 all star: Drexler


Bulls in 92
2 all nba player: Mike and Pipp
2 all stars: Mike and Pipp


Not looking good Mike fans...Ready?


Warriors in 16
3 all nba players: Dray, Klay, Chef Curry
3 all stars: Dray, Klay, Chef Curry

Cavs in 16
1 all nba player: LeBron
1 all star: LeBron

sorry bro i know this morning will hurt but facts are facts

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-44hzKZJRN1g/UXuaC5Ch5UI/AAAAAAAAQZo/rOrAbMbeOLc/s1600/coffin.jpg[/QUOTE]

Anybody?

[3ball]

Maybe due to OKC going 12-3 in route to the Finals that postseason? Had 3 All-NBA players that included the scoring champion while another led the league in blocks and finished runner-up for DPOY. Then also throw in them having the 6MOY.

On the other side, Miami only had Bosh for 4 of the 13 combined games of the ECSF and ECF. His health was shady heading into the Finals.
No one thought Westbrook > Wade back then, or Ibaka > Bosh

Wade and Bosh were easily considered better than both

The heat had better talent than okc but their super-team was still underdogs because of Lebron's repeated failures up to that point.. no one was willing to bet on Lebron at that point... :( :oldlol:

[SpaceJam2]

No one thought Westbrook > Wade back then, or Ibaka > Bosh

Wade and Bosh were easily considered better than both

The heat had better talent than okc but their super-team was still underdogs because of Lebron's significant history of failure up to that point.. no one was willing to bet on Lebron at that point... :( :oldlol:


12-3 OKC run to the Final

Next

[DaHeezy]

How could you let yourself get lied to by the dumb media??... Doesn't that make you feel dumb and weak? .. :biggums:


😂😂😂
You do know who you're a fan of right?

[3ball]

12-3 OKC run to the Final

Next
The Heat had a "not 6, not 7" super-team and should never have been underdogs

But they were underdogs because of Lebron's repeated failures up to that point.. no one was willing to bet on Lebron at that point...

[Phoenix]

12-3 OKC run to the Final

Next

The Cavs 2016 run (12-2) to the finals was better than the Warriors(12-5). Shouldn't they have been the favorites per the above logic? Just need some clarity on which direction the goalposts are shifting today....

[3ball]

The Cavs 2016 run (12-2) to the finals was better than the Warriors(12-5). Shouldn't they have been the favorites per the above logic? Just need some clarity on which direction the goalposts are shifting today....
OMG Phoenix is destroying And1.. :eek:

I'm not surprised but just at the severity.. my goodness.. :facepalm

:popcorngif:

[SpaceJam2]

The Cavs 2016 run (12-2) to the finals was better than the Warriors(12-5). Shouldn't they have been the favorites per the above logic? Just need some clarity on which direction the goalposts are shifting today....


Vs the 73 win all time GOAT team?

:coleman:

[SpaceJam2]

To al the melters, let's stay on track:

Why are MJ's rings so embarrassing? Meanwhile...LeBron's so great?

[SpaceJam2]

6 pages in and still...Only 1 answer

Imagine winning 6 rings but being scared to talk about any of them because they were all terrible wins :lol

Imagine being so embarrassed you can't even be proud of one of them :lol

Wow

[TheMan]

Vs the 73 win all time GOAT team?

:coleman:
Winning 73 RS games without the ring < 72 and the ring

96 Bulls still the GOAT team led by the GOAT:bowdown:

[TheMan]

6 pages in and still...Only 1 answer

Imagine winning 6 rings but being scared to talk about any of them because they were all terrible wins :lol

Imagine being so embarrassed you can't even be proud of one of them :lol

Wow
No one is talking serious with you because your premise is childish and stupid.

I'm all up for a basketball discussion but your points are stupid af...Bulls fans aren't embarrassed with our titles, lol FOH.

Meanwhile, the 90s Bulls team would've beaten several teams that beat LeBron, 11 Mavs? :roll: 2014 old ass Spurs? ROFL :roll: Any of those Warriors teams? Harper on Curry, Jordan on Klay? LMAO Rodman on Dray? Hooo boy, lol.

D wins titles, sure those boys can hit treys in this cupcake era but if the refs let the Bulls play defense, I only see KD as being the toughest match up but Pippen can limit him and no one on GSWs gon' stop MJ one on one...FOH :roll: He'd eviscerate them once they start throwing double teams at MJ

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[Phoenix]

Vs the 73 win all time GOAT team?

:coleman:

So the 2009 Cavs who won 66 games were better than the 2016 Cavs who won 57? The 67 win 2017 Warriors with KD were worse than the 73 win 2016 version without him? Interesting.

[Ne 1]

The best team MJ ever faced in the Finals was the 1993 Suns. IMO that was his greatness moment, was beating that team cause he had to go all out to do it and I won’t deny that was a really good team. The other teams he faced were pretty ordinary though and Chicago just had the better team. Which is why context should be used when people talk about 6-0 in the Finals.

[SpaceJam2]

[QUOTE=Ne 1]The best team MJ ever faced in the Finals was the 1993 Suns. IMO that was his greatness moment, was beating that team cause he had to go all out to do it and I won

[SpaceJam2]

So the 2009 Cavs who won 66 games were better than the 2016 Cavs who won 57? The 67 win 2017 Warriors with KD were worse than the 73 win 2016 version without him? Interesting.

Which one had the 1st ever Unanimous MVP and 3 all NBA starters?

Lemme know baybeeee

[Phoenix]

Which one had the 1st ever Unanimous MVP and 3 all NBA starters?

Lemme know baybeeee

Hilariously you think that somehow negates my point.

[SpaceJam2]

Hilariously you think that somehow negates my point.

Which one?

Thanks baybeee


Stay scrambling

[Phoenix]

Which one?

Thanks baybeee


Stay scrambling

So no reply on your end then. As you were....

[SpaceJam2]

So no reply on your end then. As you were....

Oh you missed it? Here it is again then:

Which one had the 1st ever Unanimous MVP and 3 all NBA starters?

Lemme know baybeeee

[Phoenix]

Oh you missed it? Here it is again then:

Which one had the 1st ever Unanimous MVP and 3 all NBA starters?

Lemme know baybeeee

Still nothing? Cool, I'll check back after the holiday.

[dazzer87]

Still nothing? Cool, I'll check back after the holiday.
Check back after holiday? Look who you replying to....:roll:

[And1AllDay]

And dont forget this gem.

That dude straight up ended the goat debate when Mikes best finals wins was 92 blazers so get read to laugh at Mikes best finals team win:

Blazers in 92
1 all nba player: Drexler
1 all star: Drexler


Bulls in 92
2 all nba player: Mike and Pipp
2 all stars: Mike and Pipp


Not looking good Mike fans...Ready?


Warriors in 16
3 all nba players: Dray, Klay, Chef Curry
3 all stars: Dray, Klay, Chef Curry

Cavs in 16
1 all nba player: LeBron
1 all star: LeBron

sorry bro i know this morning will hurt but facts are facts

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[Manny98]

https://i.postimg.cc/zGW4pnVm/g7vmn1o505r01.jpg

/thread

[3ball]

The best team MJ ever faced in the Finals was the 1993 Suns. IMO that was his greatness moment, was beating that team cause he had to go all out to do it and I won’t deny that was a really good team. The other teams he faced were pretty ordinary though and Chicago just had the better team. Which is why context should be used when people talk about 6-0 in the Finals.
MJ had less supporting talent than all of his Finals opponents

Lebron had equal or more every time he won and several times he lost

That's why MJ's stats were goat - its because he had the least help

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Are we really trying to downplay a dude who was 6/6 with 6 FMVPs? He beat what was in front of him, period. Stopped the following from getting rings in the 1990's:


Magic Johnson
Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Gary Payton
Patrick Ewing
Shawn Kemp
Reggie Miller


Meanwhile, Lebron has bookend finals sweeps, missed the playoffs completely, got hands the worst finals lost in 2014 only to break that record later vs. Golden State. And hands his opponents FMVPs more often than not.


Lebron is a Ray Allen / Irving single basket away from being 1-8 in the finals. Jordan never even sniffed a game 7.


Also..truth time.


Lebron going into YEAR 17 has never:
Won a championship in a full 82 game NBA season without a teammate bailout shot. Think about that. Oh, and ZERO game winners in the finals.


So, there's that.:facepalm

[TheMan]

Are we really trying to downplay a dude who was 6/6 with 6 FMVPs? He beat what was in front of him, period. Stopped the following from getting rings in the 1990's:


Magic Johnson
Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Gary Payton
Patrick Ewing
Shawn Kemp
Reggie Miller
Shaq
Penny Hardaway
Mark Price
Brad Daugherty
Kevin Johnson
John Stockton
Chris Mullin
Alonzo Mourning
Tim Hardaway

Meanwhile, Lebron has bookend finals sweeps, missed the playoffs completely, got hands the worst finals lost in 2014 only to break that record later vs. Golden State. And hands his opponents FMVPs more often than not.


Lebron is a Ray Allen / Irving single basket away from being 1-8 in the finals. Jordan never even sniffed a game 7.


Also..truth time.


Lebron going into YEAR 17 has never:
Won a championship in a full 82 game NBA season without a teammate bailout shot. Think about that. Oh, and ZERO game winners in the finals.


So, there's that.:facepalm
FIFY

Solid post...

[And1AllDay]

https://i.postimg.cc/zGW4pnVm/g7vmn1o505r01.jpg

/thread

Issa wrap


facts hurt these Mike Jordan bois :oldlol:

[FKAri]

Are we really trying to downplay a dude who was 6/6 with 6 FMVPs? He beat what was in front of him, period.
My nephew could say the same. He's 6/6 with 6FMVPs. He beat who was in front of him...on his driveway. Have you seen the sorry ass nigguhs MJ went up against? Half these nigguhs have less money than Rashard Lewis. You know why? Cuz no one wanted to pay money to watch these losers play basketball.

[Manny98]

FIFY

Solid post...
Nikka said Brad Daugherty :roll: :roll:

[TheMan]

Nikka said Brad Daugherty :roll: :roll:
5x All Star, 1 Third All NBA and NBA Rookie All NBA First Team, career 19 ppg, 10 rpg and 4 apg...and he did this in the GOAT era of big men. Brad Daugherty >>> Roy Hibbert, who was the "best" big man LBJ faced during his 8 cake walks to the Finals in that all time worst EC :confusedshrug:

Frankly not surprised at your know nothing reaction, after all you took Kyle fukking Korver as your 5th pick in the All Time NBA draft :roll:

[bison]

Nothing more embarrassing than winning a ring huh OP.

[LostCause]

5x All Star, 1 Third All NBA and NBA Rookie All NBA First Team, career 19 ppg, 10 rpg and 4 apg...and he did this in the GOAT era of big men. Brad Daugherty >>> Roy Hibbert, who was the "best" big man LBJ faced during his 8 cake walks to the Finals in that all time worst EC :confusedshrug:

Frankly not surprised at your know nothing reaction, after all you took Kyle fukking Korver as your 5th pick in the All Time NBA draft :roll:

I

[Bronbron23]

https://i.postimg.cc/zGW4pnVm/g7vmn1o505r01.jpg

/thread
Net efficiency is absolutely irrelevant when comparing LeBron and mj's era's. Net efficiency is heavily influenced on number of possessions. Since the 90's the NBA has intentionally put in rules to increase possessions and pace of play. This isn't debatable it's facts people. Net efficiency is probably the worst stat you could use use to compare the 2 era's but I'm not surprised at all that that's the one you chose :facepalm

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=LostCause]I

[TheMan]

Net efficiency is absolutely irrelevant when comparing LeBron and mj's era's. Net efficiency is heavily influenced on number of possessions. Since the 90's the NBA has intentionally put in rules to increase possessions and pace of play. This isn't debatable it's facts people. Net efficiency is probably the worst stat you could use use to compare the 2 era's but I'm not surprised at all that that's the one you chose :facepalm
I didn't even bother with that but great post...:applause:

Yet another Manny98 exposed as a noob moment :lol

[LostCause]

The main problem with net efficiency is that it punishes MJ for beating those teams in the ways he did whereas the teams that stomped LeBron in the Finals wind up gaining quite a bit in their Net Efficiency.

Here's the Net Efficiency for LeBrons teams over that span:
'17 Cavs - +9.7
'16 Cavs - +9.0
'15 Cavs - +3.6
'14 Heat - +1.8
'13 Heat - +7.9
'12 Heat - +8.4
'11 Heat - +3.6
'07 Cavs - +2.8

Notice that the lowest scores are in losses. The '17 Cavs being so high is a reflection of how much they dominated the East (which we all know was pretty weak) that their efficiency wasn't lowered significantly even after being nearly swept by Golden State. Here's a look at their playoff competition over the years:

LeBron Teams Beaten:

30-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (4): (08/09 - 39-43 Pistons), (11/12 - 39-27 Celtics), (12/13 - 38-44 Bucks), (11/12 - 36-30 Knicks)

40-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (18): (12/13 - 49-32 Pacers), (15/16 - 48-34 Hawks), (17/18 - 48-34 Pacers), (11/12 - 47-19 Thunder), (08/09 - 47-35 Hawks), (12/13 - 45-37 Bulls), (13/14 - 44-38 Nets), (15/16 - 44-38 Pistons), (07/08 - 43-39 Wizards), (13/14 - 43-39 Bobcats), (05/06 - 42-40 Wizards), (11/12 - 42-24 Pacers), (16/17 - 42-40 Pacers), (06/07 - 41-41 Wizards), (06/07 - 41-41 Nets), (09/10 - 41-41 Bulls), (10/11 - 41-41 76ers), (14/15 - 40-42 Celtics)

50-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (9): (17/18 - 59-23 Raptors), (12/13 - 58-24 Spurs), (10/11 - 56-26 Celtics), (13/14 - 56-26 Pacers), (15/16 - 56-26 Raptors), (06/07 - 53-29 Pistons), (16/17 - 53-29 Celtics), (16/17 - 51-31 Raptors), (14/15 - 50-32 Bulls)

60-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (2): (10/11 - 62-20 Bulls), (14/15 - 60-22 Hawks)

70-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (1): (15/16 - 73-9 Warriors)

Michael Jordan Teams Beaten:

30-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (2): (90/91 - 39-43 Knicks), (91/92 - 38-44 Heat)

40-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (8): (95/96 - 47-35 Knicks), (89/90 - 44-38 Bucks), (90/91 - 44-38 76ers), (96/97 - 44-38 Wizards), (92/93 - 43-39 Hawks), (97/98 - 43-39 Nets), (87/88 - 42-40 Cavaliers), (95/96 - 42-40 Heat)

50-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (13): (90/91 - 58-24 Lakers), (97/98 - 58-24 Pacers), (88/89 - 57-25 Cavaliers), (91/92 - 57-25 Cavaliers), (91/92 - 57-25 Blazers), (96/97 - 56-26 Hawks), (92/93 - 54-28 Cavaliers), (89/90 - 53-29 76ers), (88/89 - 52-30 Knicks), (91/92 - 51-31 Knicks), (97/98 - 51-31 Hornets), (90/91 - 50-32 Pistons), (94/95 - 50-32 Hornets)

60-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (7): (95/96 - 64-18 Sonics), (96/97 - 64-18 Jazz), (92/93 - 62-20 Suns), (97/98 - 62-20 Jazz), (96/97 - 61-21 Heat), (92/93 - 60-22 Knicks), (95/96 - 60-22 Magic)

70-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (0): N/A

This was made in 2018 before the Cavs beat the 50-win Celtics, so you can add that team to LeBrons list as well (Also, some of the lockout teams are counted in the 30-win category and would be elsewhere based off win percentage)

LeBron has beaten more average to below average teams, whereas Jordan has beaten more of the elite teams

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kinda bullshit topic is this?

:lol

Even more embarrassing are the people entertaining it.

[TheMan]

The main problem with net efficiency is that it punishes MJ for beating those teams in the ways he did whereas the teams that stomped LeBron in the Finals wind up gaining quite a bit in their Net Efficiency.

Here's the Net Efficiency for LeBrons teams over that span:
'17 Cavs - +9.7
'16 Cavs - +9.0
'15 Cavs - +3.6
'14 Heat - +1.8
'13 Heat - +7.9
'12 Heat - +8.4
'11 Heat - +3.6
'07 Cavs - +2.8

Notice that the lowest scores are in losses. The '17 Cavs being so high is a reflection of how much they dominated the East (which we all know was pretty weak) that their efficiency wasn't lowered significantly even after being nearly swept by Golden State. Here's a look at their playoff competition over the years:

LeBron Teams Beaten:

30-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (4): (08/09 - 39-43 Pistons), (11/12 - 39-27 Celtics), (12/13 - 38-44 Bucks), (11/12 - 36-30 Knicks)

40-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (18): (12/13 - 49-32 Pacers), (15/16 - 48-34 Hawks), (17/18 - 48-34 Pacers), (11/12 - 47-19 Thunder), (08/09 - 47-35 Hawks), (12/13 - 45-37 Bulls), (13/14 - 44-38 Nets), (15/16 - 44-38 Pistons), (07/08 - 43-39 Wizards), (13/14 - 43-39 Bobcats), (05/06 - 42-40 Wizards), (11/12 - 42-24 Pacers), (16/17 - 42-40 Pacers), (06/07 - 41-41 Wizards), (06/07 - 41-41 Nets), (09/10 - 41-41 Bulls), (10/11 - 41-41 76ers), (14/15 - 40-42 Celtics)

50-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (9): (17/18 - 59-23 Raptors), (12/13 - 58-24 Spurs), (10/11 - 56-26 Celtics), (13/14 - 56-26 Pacers), (15/16 - 56-26 Raptors), (06/07 - 53-29 Pistons), (16/17 - 53-29 Celtics), (16/17 - 51-31 Raptors), (14/15 - 50-32 Bulls)

60-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (2): (10/11 - 62-20 Bulls), (14/15 - 60-22 Hawks)

70-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (1): (15/16 - 73-9 Warriors)

Michael Jordan Teams Beaten:

30-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (2): (90/91 - 39-43 Knicks), (91/92 - 38-44 Heat)

40-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (8): (95/96 - 47-35 Knicks), (89/90 - 44-38 Bucks), (90/91 - 44-38 76ers), (96/97 - 44-38 Wizards), (92/93 - 43-39 Hawks), (97/98 - 43-39 Nets), (87/88 - 42-40 Cavaliers), (95/96 - 42-40 Heat)

50-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (13): (90/91 - 58-24 Lakers), (97/98 - 58-24 Pacers), (88/89 - 57-25 Cavaliers), (91/92 - 57-25 Cavaliers), (91/92 - 57-25 Blazers), (96/97 - 56-26 Hawks), (92/93 - 54-28 Cavaliers), (89/90 - 53-29 76ers), (88/89 - 52-30 Knicks), (91/92 - 51-31 Knicks), (97/98 - 51-31 Hornets), (90/91 - 50-32 Pistons), (94/95 - 50-32 Hornets)

60-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (7): (95/96 - 64-18 Sonics), (96/97 - 64-18 Jazz), (92/93 - 62-20 Suns), (97/98 - 62-20 Jazz), (96/97 - 61-21 Heat), (92/93 - 60-22 Knicks), (95/96 - 60-22 Magic)

70-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (0): N/A

This was made in 2018 before the Cavs beat the 50-win Celtics, so you can add that team to LeBrons list as well (Also, some of the lockout teams are counted in the 30-win category and would be elsewhere based off win percentage)

LeBron has beaten more average to below average teams, whereas Jordan has beaten more of the elite teams
:eek:

So you're telling me MJ beat 20 teams that won 50+/60+ games to LeBron's 12? Most of the teams LeBron beat where under 50 wins, 22 teams to only MJ's 10 :eek: So in other words, Bran did most of his damage against 30+ and 40+ wins teams?

Whoa!!!

/thread

Shut

It

Down

:hammertime:

[stalkerforlife]

The main problem with net efficiency is that it punishes MJ for beating those teams in the ways he did whereas the teams that stomped LeBron in the Finals wind up gaining quite a bit in their Net Efficiency.

Here's the Net Efficiency for LeBrons teams over that span:
'17 Cavs - +9.7
'16 Cavs - +9.0
'15 Cavs - +3.6
'14 Heat - +1.8
'13 Heat - +7.9
'12 Heat - +8.4
'11 Heat - +3.6
'07 Cavs - +2.8

Notice that the lowest scores are in losses. The '17 Cavs being so high is a reflection of how much they dominated the East (which we all know was pretty weak) that their efficiency wasn't lowered significantly even after being nearly swept by Golden State. Here's a look at their playoff competition over the years:

LeBron Teams Beaten:

30-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (4): (08/09 - 39-43 Pistons), (11/12 - 39-27 Celtics), (12/13 - 38-44 Bucks), (11/12 - 36-30 Knicks)

40-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (18): (12/13 - 49-32 Pacers), (15/16 - 48-34 Hawks), (17/18 - 48-34 Pacers), (11/12 - 47-19 Thunder), (08/09 - 47-35 Hawks), (12/13 - 45-37 Bulls), (13/14 - 44-38 Nets), (15/16 - 44-38 Pistons), (07/08 - 43-39 Wizards), (13/14 - 43-39 Bobcats), (05/06 - 42-40 Wizards), (11/12 - 42-24 Pacers), (16/17 - 42-40 Pacers), (06/07 - 41-41 Wizards), (06/07 - 41-41 Nets), (09/10 - 41-41 Bulls), (10/11 - 41-41 76ers), (14/15 - 40-42 Celtics)

50-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (9): (17/18 - 59-23 Raptors), (12/13 - 58-24 Spurs), (10/11 - 56-26 Celtics), (13/14 - 56-26 Pacers), (15/16 - 56-26 Raptors), (06/07 - 53-29 Pistons), (16/17 - 53-29 Celtics), (16/17 - 51-31 Raptors), (14/15 - 50-32 Bulls)

60-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (2): (10/11 - 62-20 Bulls), (14/15 - 60-22 Hawks)

70-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (1): (15/16 - 73-9 Warriors)

Michael Jordan Teams Beaten:

30-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (2): (90/91 - 39-43 Knicks), (91/92 - 38-44 Heat)

40-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (8): (95/96 - 47-35 Knicks), (89/90 - 44-38 Bucks), (90/91 - 44-38 76ers), (96/97 - 44-38 Wizards), (92/93 - 43-39 Hawks), (97/98 - 43-39 Nets), (87/88 - 42-40 Cavaliers), (95/96 - 42-40 Heat)

50-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (13): (90/91 - 58-24 Lakers), (97/98 - 58-24 Pacers), (88/89 - 57-25 Cavaliers), (91/92 - 57-25 Cavaliers), (91/92 - 57-25 Blazers), (96/97 - 56-26 Hawks), (92/93 - 54-28 Cavaliers), (89/90 - 53-29 76ers), (88/89 - 52-30 Knicks), (91/92 - 51-31 Knicks), (97/98 - 51-31 Hornets), (90/91 - 50-32 Pistons), (94/95 - 50-32 Hornets)

60-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (7): (95/96 - 64-18 Sonics), (96/97 - 64-18 Jazz), (92/93 - 62-20 Suns), (97/98 - 62-20 Jazz), (96/97 - 61-21 Heat), (92/93 - 60-22 Knicks), (95/96 - 60-22 Magic)

70-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (0): N/A

This was made in 2018 before the Cavs beat the 50-win Celtics, so you can add that team to LeBrons list as well (Also, some of the lockout teams are counted in the 30-win category and would be elsewhere based off win percentage)

LeBron has beaten more average to below average teams, whereas Jordan has beaten more of the elite teams

Damn.

Feel bad for OP.

Masochism grows from insecurity.

[305Baller]

Hohohohooo hheeeee heee heheshsahahahahahahahahahahah

[TheCorporation]

Kinda bullshit topic is this?

:lol

Even more embarrassing are the people entertaining it.

Which was his best ring?

[TheCorporation]

And dont forget this gem.

That dude straight up ended the goat debate when Mikes best finals wins was 92 blazers so get read to laugh at Mikes best finals team win:

Blazers in 92
1 all nba player: Drexler
1 all star: Drexler


Bulls in 92
2 all nba player: Mike and Pipp
2 all stars: Mike and Pipp


Not looking good Mike fans...Ready?


Warriors in 16
3 all nba players: Dray, Klay, Chef Curry
3 all stars: Dray, Klay, Chef Curry

Cavs in 16
1 all nba player: LeBron
1 all star: LeBron

sorry bro i know this morning will hurt but facts are facts

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-44hzKZJRN1g/UXuaC5Ch5UI/AAAAAAAAQZo/rOrAbMbeOLc/s1600/coffin.jpg

Yikes!

10 pages in and all they can do is dance around it :lol

Why can't anybody answer a simple question? You know it's true when they dance around

[superduper]

The main problem with net efficiency is that it punishes MJ for beating those teams in the ways he did whereas the teams that stomped LeBron in the Finals wind up gaining quite a bit in their Net Efficiency.

Here's the Net Efficiency for LeBrons teams over that span:
'17 Cavs - +9.7
'16 Cavs - +9.0
'15 Cavs - +3.6
'14 Heat - +1.8
'13 Heat - +7.9
'12 Heat - +8.4
'11 Heat - +3.6
'07 Cavs - +2.8

Notice that the lowest scores are in losses. The '17 Cavs being so high is a reflection of how much they dominated the East (which we all know was pretty weak) that their efficiency wasn't lowered significantly even after being nearly swept by Golden State. Here's a look at their playoff competition over the years:

LeBron Teams Beaten:

30-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (4): (08/09 - 39-43 Pistons), (11/12 - 39-27 Celtics), (12/13 - 38-44 Bucks), (11/12 - 36-30 Knicks)

40-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (18): (12/13 - 49-32 Pacers), (15/16 - 48-34 Hawks), (17/18 - 48-34 Pacers), (11/12 - 47-19 Thunder), (08/09 - 47-35 Hawks), (12/13 - 45-37 Bulls), (13/14 - 44-38 Nets), (15/16 - 44-38 Pistons), (07/08 - 43-39 Wizards), (13/14 - 43-39 Bobcats), (05/06 - 42-40 Wizards), (11/12 - 42-24 Pacers), (16/17 - 42-40 Pacers), (06/07 - 41-41 Wizards), (06/07 - 41-41 Nets), (09/10 - 41-41 Bulls), (10/11 - 41-41 76ers), (14/15 - 40-42 Celtics)

50-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (9): (17/18 - 59-23 Raptors), (12/13 - 58-24 Spurs), (10/11 - 56-26 Celtics), (13/14 - 56-26 Pacers), (15/16 - 56-26 Raptors), (06/07 - 53-29 Pistons), (16/17 - 53-29 Celtics), (16/17 - 51-31 Raptors), (14/15 - 50-32 Bulls)

60-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (2): (10/11 - 62-20 Bulls), (14/15 - 60-22 Hawks)

70-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (1): (15/16 - 73-9 Warriors)

Michael Jordan Teams Beaten:

30-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (2): (90/91 - 39-43 Knicks), (91/92 - 38-44 Heat)

40-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (8): (95/96 - 47-35 Knicks), (89/90 - 44-38 Bucks), (90/91 - 44-38 76ers), (96/97 - 44-38 Wizards), (92/93 - 43-39 Hawks), (97/98 - 43-39 Nets), (87/88 - 42-40 Cavaliers), (95/96 - 42-40 Heat)

50-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (13): (90/91 - 58-24 Lakers), (97/98 - 58-24 Pacers), (88/89 - 57-25 Cavaliers), (91/92 - 57-25 Cavaliers), (91/92 - 57-25 Blazers), (96/97 - 56-26 Hawks), (92/93 - 54-28 Cavaliers), (89/90 - 53-29 76ers), (88/89 - 52-30 Knicks), (91/92 - 51-31 Knicks), (97/98 - 51-31 Hornets), (90/91 - 50-32 Pistons), (94/95 - 50-32 Hornets)

60-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (7): (95/96 - 64-18 Sonics), (96/97 - 64-18 Jazz), (92/93 - 62-20 Suns), (97/98 - 62-20 Jazz), (96/97 - 61-21 Heat), (92/93 - 60-22 Knicks), (95/96 - 60-22 Magic)

70-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (0): N/A

This was made in 2018 before the Cavs beat the 50-win Celtics, so you can add that team to LeBrons list as well (Also, some of the lockout teams are counted in the 30-win category and would be elsewhere based off win percentage)

LeBron has beaten more average to below average teams, whereas Jordan has beaten more of the elite teams

Jesus Christ and also on top of what Bronbron23 said, they're STILL trying to defend this nonsense?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[LostCause]

Couple more bits of info stolen from elsewhere...

Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in 1st round: -0.15
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in 1st round: 3.03

Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in 2nd round: 2.93
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in 2nd round: 3.68

Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in 3rd round: 4.11
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in 3rd round: 5.39

Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in the finals: 7.75
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in the finals: 6.84

Comes out as most logical people see it. LeBrons Finals opponents have been tougher overall but Jordan's road to the Finals has been tougher

As for the point about All-NBA players:

Since 2011, The West has had 81 All-NBA players to the East having 39 (8 of those being LeBron himself)

[stalkerforlife]

Couple more bits of info stolen from elsewhere...

Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in 1st round: -0.15
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in 1st round: 3.03

Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in 2nd round: 2.93
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in 2nd round: 3.68

Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in 3rd round: 4.11
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in 3rd round: 5.39

Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in the finals: 7.75
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in the finals: 6.84

Comes out as most logical people see it. LeBrons Finals opponents have been tougher overall but Jordan's road to the Finals has been tougher

As for the point about All-NBA players:

Since 2011, The West has had 81 All-NBA players to the East having 39 (8 of those being LeBron himself)

:roll:

[TheCorporation]

What was Jordan's best Finals win

[TheCorporation]

The main problem with net efficiency is that it punishes MJ for beating those teams in the ways he did whereas the teams that stomped LeBron in the Finals wind up gaining quite a bit in their Net Efficiency.

Here's the Net Efficiency for LeBrons teams over that span:
'17 Cavs - +9.7
'16 Cavs - +9.0
'15 Cavs - +3.6
'14 Heat - +1.8
'13 Heat - +7.9
'12 Heat - +8.4
'11 Heat - +3.6
'07 Cavs - +2.8

Notice that the lowest scores are in losses. The '17 Cavs being so high is a reflection of how much they dominated the East (which we all know was pretty weak) that their efficiency wasn't lowered significantly even after being nearly swept by Golden State. Here's a look at their playoff competition over the years:

LeBron Teams Beaten:

30-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (4): (08/09 - 39-43 Pistons), (11/12 - 39-27 Celtics), (12/13 - 38-44 Bucks), (11/12 - 36-30 Knicks)

40-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (18): (12/13 - 49-32 Pacers), (15/16 - 48-34 Hawks), (17/18 - 48-34 Pacers), (11/12 - 47-19 Thunder), (08/09 - 47-35 Hawks), (12/13 - 45-37 Bulls), (13/14 - 44-38 Nets), (15/16 - 44-38 Pistons), (07/08 - 43-39 Wizards), (13/14 - 43-39 Bobcats), (05/06 - 42-40 Wizards), (11/12 - 42-24 Pacers), (16/17 - 42-40 Pacers), (06/07 - 41-41 Wizards), (06/07 - 41-41 Nets), (09/10 - 41-41 Bulls), (10/11 - 41-41 76ers), (14/15 - 40-42 Celtics)

50-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (9): (17/18 - 59-23 Raptors), (12/13 - 58-24 Spurs), (10/11 - 56-26 Celtics), (13/14 - 56-26 Pacers), (15/16 - 56-26 Raptors), (06/07 - 53-29 Pistons), (16/17 - 53-29 Celtics), (16/17 - 51-31 Raptors), (14/15 - 50-32 Bulls)

60-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (2): (10/11 - 62-20 Bulls), (14/15 - 60-22 Hawks)

70-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (1): (15/16 - 73-9 Warriors)

Michael Jordan Teams Beaten:

30-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (2): (90/91 - 39-43 Knicks), (91/92 - 38-44 Heat)

40-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (8): (95/96 - 47-35 Knicks), (89/90 - 44-38 Bucks), (90/91 - 44-38 76ers), (96/97 - 44-38 Wizards), (92/93 - 43-39 Hawks), (97/98 - 43-39 Nets), (87/88 - 42-40 Cavaliers), (95/96 - 42-40 Heat)

50-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (13): (90/91 - 58-24 Lakers), (97/98 - 58-24 Pacers), (88/89 - 57-25 Cavaliers), (91/92 - 57-25 Cavaliers), (91/92 - 57-25 Blazers), (96/97 - 56-26 Hawks), (92/93 - 54-28 Cavaliers), (89/90 - 53-29 76ers), (88/89 - 52-30 Knicks), (91/92 - 51-31 Knicks), (97/98 - 51-31 Hornets), (90/91 - 50-32 Pistons), (94/95 - 50-32 Hornets)

60-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (7): (95/96 - 64-18 Sonics), (96/97 - 64-18 Jazz), (92/93 - 62-20 Suns), (97/98 - 62-20 Jazz), (96/97 - 61-21 Heat), (92/93 - 60-22 Knicks), (95/96 - 60-22 Magic)

70-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (0): N/A

This was made in 2018 before the Cavs beat the 50-win Celtics, so you can add that team to LeBrons list as well (Also, some of the lockout teams are counted in the 30-win category and would be elsewhere based off win percentage)

LeBron has beaten more average to below average teams, whereas Jordan has beaten more of the elite teams

Top 30 SRS teams faced

LeBron

2017 Warriors: 4th
2016 Warriors: 7th
2015 Warriors: 10th
2008 Celtics: 11th*
2007 Spurs: 23rd*
2014 Spurs: 30th

Jordan

1986 Celtics: 13th

[superduper]

Top 30 SRS teams faced

LeBron

2017 Warriors: 4th
2016 Warriors: 7th
2015 Warriors: 10th
2008 Celtics: 11th*
2007 Spurs: 23rd*
2014 Spurs: 30th

Jordan

1986 Celtics: 13th

Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in 1st round: -0.15
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in 1st round: 3.03

Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in 2nd round: 2.93
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in 2nd round: 3.68

Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in 3rd round: 4.11
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in 3rd round: 5.39

Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in the finals: 7.75
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in the finals: 6.84

:eek: :eek: :wtf: :wtf:

[bullettooth]

9 pages of Wheels melting down.

:lol

[TheCorporation]

The truth is you guys shouldn't be too embarrassed of MJ's rings. Yeah sure, none of them were better than LeBron's but at least MJ won something.

We all know he's number two in everything else might as well keep the trend going

[solar.hands]

How many rings does each have?

[bullettooth]

The truth is you guys shouldn't be too embarrassed of MJ's rings. Yeah sure, none of them were better than LeBron's but at least MJ won something.

We all know he's number two in everything else might as well keep the trend going

LOL so delusional.

[SamuraiSWISH]

LOL so delusional.
LeBron Stans / Knicks Fans / Lakers Fans

The trifecta of delusional NBA fandom

[3ball]

The main problem with net efficiency is that it punishes MJ for beating those teams in the ways he did whereas the teams that stomped LeBron in the Finals wind up gaining quite a bit in their Net Efficiency.

Here's the Net Efficiency for LeBrons teams over that span:
'17 Cavs - +9.7
'16 Cavs - +9.0
'15 Cavs - +3.6
'14 Heat - +1.8
'13 Heat - +7.9
'12 Heat - +8.4
'11 Heat - +3.6
'07 Cavs - +2.8

Notice that the lowest scores are in losses. The '17 Cavs being so high is a reflection of how much they dominated the East (which we all know was pretty weak) that their efficiency wasn't lowered significantly even after being nearly swept by Golden State. Here's a look at their playoff competition over the years:

LeBron Teams Beaten:

30-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (4): (08/09 - 39-43 Pistons), (11/12 - 39-27 Celtics), (12/13 - 38-44 Bucks), (11/12 - 36-30 Knicks)

40-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (18): (12/13 - 49-32 Pacers), (15/16 - 48-34 Hawks), (17/18 - 48-34 Pacers), (11/12 - 47-19 Thunder), (08/09 - 47-35 Hawks), (12/13 - 45-37 Bulls), (13/14 - 44-38 Nets), (15/16 - 44-38 Pistons), (07/08 - 43-39 Wizards), (13/14 - 43-39 Bobcats), (05/06 - 42-40 Wizards), (11/12 - 42-24 Pacers), (16/17 - 42-40 Pacers), (06/07 - 41-41 Wizards), (06/07 - 41-41 Nets), (09/10 - 41-41 Bulls), (10/11 - 41-41 76ers), (14/15 - 40-42 Celtics)

50-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (9): (17/18 - 59-23 Raptors), (12/13 - 58-24 Spurs), (10/11 - 56-26 Celtics), (13/14 - 56-26 Pacers), (15/16 - 56-26 Raptors), (06/07 - 53-29 Pistons), (16/17 - 53-29 Celtics), (16/17 - 51-31 Raptors), (14/15 - 50-32 Bulls)

60-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (2): (10/11 - 62-20 Bulls), (14/15 - 60-22 Hawks)

70-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (1): (15/16 - 73-9 Warriors)

Michael Jordan Teams Beaten:

30-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (2): (90/91 - 39-43 Knicks), (91/92 - 38-44 Heat)

40-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (8): (95/96 - 47-35 Knicks), (89/90 - 44-38 Bucks), (90/91 - 44-38 76ers), (96/97 - 44-38 Wizards), (92/93 - 43-39 Hawks), (97/98 - 43-39 Nets), (87/88 - 42-40 Cavaliers), (95/96 - 42-40 Heat)

50-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (13): (90/91 - 58-24 Lakers), (97/98 - 58-24 Pacers), (88/89 - 57-25 Cavaliers), (91/92 - 57-25 Cavaliers), (91/92 - 57-25 Blazers), (96/97 - 56-26 Hawks), (92/93 - 54-28 Cavaliers), (89/90 - 53-29 76ers), (88/89 - 52-30 Knicks), (91/92 - 51-31 Knicks), (97/98 - 51-31 Hornets), (90/91 - 50-32 Pistons), (94/95 - 50-32 Hornets)

60-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (7): (95/96 - 64-18 Sonics), (96/97 - 64-18 Jazz), (92/93 - 62-20 Suns), (97/98 - 62-20 Jazz), (96/97 - 61-21 Heat), (92/93 - 60-22 Knicks), (95/96 - 60-22 Magic)

70-Win Playoff Teams Defeated (0): N/A

This was made in 2018 before the Cavs beat the 50-win Celtics, so you can add that team to LeBrons list as well (Also, some of the lockout teams are counted in the 30-win category and would be elsewhere based off win percentage)

LeBron has beaten more average to below average teams, whereas Jordan has beaten more of the elite teams







Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in 1st round: -0.15
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in 1st round: 3.03

Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in 2nd round: 2.93
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in 2nd round: 3.68

Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in 3rd round: 4.11
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in 3rd round: 5.39

Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in the finals: 7.75
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in the finals: 6.84

Comes out as most logical people see it. LeBrons Finals opponents have been tougher overall but Jordan's road to the Finals has been tougher

As for the point about All-NBA players:

Since 2011, The West has had 81 All-NBA players to the East having 39 (8 of those being LeBron himself)


/Thread

And bookmarked for future use .

[TheCorporation]

What was Jordan's best Finals win

Sheesh anyone? Almost 11 pages now and all MJ stans are shook to answer it

Hmm, I thought 3ball had all the answers :(

Now he's quiet as a mouse

Another day, another slay?

[TheCorporation]

[QUOTE=RealSkipBayless]Still no answers.

Must

[And1AllDay]

maybe they wont answer it becos all his rings are embarassing and he doesnt have any good wins? Thank about that for a sec he doesnt have any big wins he just beat up weak teams when his team was stacked

[TheMan]

What was Jordan's best Finals win:biggums:
Give it up dope...

It's

Ova

:hammertime:

[Duncan21formvp]

Lebron lost to Dwight Howard with HCA. Lebron had to join forces with proven champions as the man in order to win a title and change teams. He isn't in the MJ, Kareem, Duncan category as they all won titles with the franchise that drafted them and didn't have to change to join a squad with a proven winner.

[SpaceJam2]

Why cant a single MJ stan ever answer this question with pride:

What was the best Finals team Jordan ever beat?

Why are his rings so embarrassing?


13 pages deep

Not a single reply to a simple question

Anyone wanna take a stab at it? :lol

[RealSkipBayless]

13 pages deep

Not a single reply to a simple question

Anyone wanna take a stab at it? :lol
I think there was some rumblings about a Blazers team? Don't think they won 70+ games with 3 all-stars though.

[egokiller]

what's more embarrassing is that your so low iq that you think that mj beating the best passer of all time and the second best scorer of all time is embarrassing. Common sense and all of the advanced metrics say that jazz team was great. They were better than every team LeBron beat in the finals except the warriors. 2012 okc were loaded but they were puppy's. None of there star players we're over 23. 2013 spurs were good but Duncan and manu were well past there prime. Jazz were better than both those teams.

LeBron's win against the warriors was better than any of mj's but mj still faced a very good team in the jazz. Sonic's were very good also.

Why pretend that LeBron beat a warriors team that were their 73 win selves in full form? Why pretend that Iggy, Curry, and Bogut weren't all injured and that Dray wasn't suspended. Is it because accepting these facts will leave the lebron fam with nothing and you feel bad enough for them?:oldlol:

[warriorfan]

Why pretend that LeBron beat a warriors team that were their 73 win selves in full form? Why pretend that Iggy, Curry, and Bogut weren't all injured and that Dray wasn't suspended. Is it because accepting these facts will leave the lebron fam with nothing and you feel bad enough for them?:oldlol:

Boom. 100% correct. The team that LeBron faced in the Final

[SpaceJam2]

I think there was some rumblings about a Blazers team? Don't think they won 70+ games with 3 all-stars though.

Nope! Nor did they have 3 all nba players

MJ stans are legitimately embarrassed of all of his rings... Crazy

[warriorfan]

Saying LeBron beat the 73 win Warriors is like saying Leonard beat the team that stomped the life out of LeBron back to back in the two previous years.

[SpaceJam2]

Saying LeBron beat the 73 win Warriors is like saying Leonard beat the team that stomped the life out of LeBron back to back in the two previous years.

Riiiiight :lol


And saying you have ANY credibility is like saying Curry has a Finals MVP

[SpaceJam2]

How many pages will this get to before an MJ stan answers? :lol


All yall shook?

[And1AllDay]

How many pages will this get to before an MJ stan answers? :lol


All yall shook?

I predict 1-9

so 19 pages

[SpaceJam2]

Why cant a single MJ stan ever answer this question with pride:

What was the best Finals team Jordan ever beat?

Why are his rings so embarrassing?

[SpaceJam2]

Why cant a single MJ stan ever answer this question with pride:

What was the best Finals team Jordan ever beat?

Why are his rings so embarrassing?


*taps mic

Hello is this thing on?

[superduper]

People are ignoring your dumb ass because Jordan had the much tougher FOUR ROUNDS overall.

The playoffs are FOUR ROUNDS, not one.

So Jordan's overall playoff competition was much, much tougher than Bran's.

[SpaceJam2]

People are ignoring your dumb ass because Jordan had the much tougher FOUR ROUNDS overall.

The playoffs are FOUR ROUNDS, not one.

So Jordan's overall playoff competition was much, much tougher than Bran's.

What was the best Finals team Jordan ever beat?

[superduper]

What was the best Finals team Jordan ever beat?

So you don't disagree with my post.

Good to know.

[And1AllDay]

What was the best Finals team Jordan ever beat?

i say the 91' aids lakers with injured worthy and aids magic

it was his only notable win becos the team was a previous champ altho this was after magic had aids and worthy was injured for finals but still look at the other teams mike beat we really dont have a choice

slim pickens :(

[SpaceJam2]

i say the 91' aids lakers with injured worthy and aids magic

it was his only notable win becos the team was a previous champ altho this was after magic had aids and worthy was injured for finals but still look at the other teams mike beat we really dont have a choice

slim pickens :(


Slim pickins indeed

[And1AllDay]

Slim pickins indeed

:eek:

still no response to a simple question

Why are MJ's rings so embarrassing? Meanwhile...LeBron's so great?

[madmax]

Why cant a single MJ stan ever answer this question with pride:

What was the best Finals team Jordan ever beat?

Why are his rings so embarrassing?

you just don't get it my dear friend...:lol

The best finals team Jordon faced had this unstoppable force on their roster:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4f/c2/5b/4fc25b620c10838801ec6b5939e5f99f.jpg

Compared to today's sissy SGs, that era was full of juggernauts like that for Jordon to compete with..never before or after the rings won mattered more than coming up against such giants of the game!:applause: :bowdown:

[Manny98]

People are ignoring your dumb ass because Jordan had the much tougher FOUR ROUNDS overall.

The playoffs are FOUR ROUNDS, not one.

So Jordan's overall playoff competition was much, much tougher than Bran's.
60+ win teams faced

Jordan 7

86 Celtics
93 Knicks
93 Suns
96 Sonics
97 Heat
97 Jazz
98 Jazz

LeBron 8

06 Pistons
08 Celtics
11 Bulls
14 Spurs
15 Warriors
15 Hawks
16 Warriors
17 Warriors

They faced pretty much an equal amount of great teams

[FKAri]

you just don't get it my dear friend...:lol

The best finals team Jordon faced had this unstoppable force on their roster:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4f/c2/5b/4fc25b620c10838801ec6b5939e5f99f.jpg

Compared to today's sissy SGs, that era was full of juggernauts like that for Jordon to compete with..never before or after the rings won mattered more than coming up against such giants of the game!:applause: :bowdown:
Didn't know my accountant had a stint in the NBA in the 90s. It's amazing how far the NBA has come from these humble beginnings.

[guy]

60+ win teams faced

Jordan 7

86 Celtics
93 Knicks
93 Suns
96 Sonics
97 Heat
97 Jazz
98 Jazz

LeBron 8

06 Pistons
08 Celtics
11 Bulls
14 Spurs
15 Warriors
15 Hawks
16 Warriors
17 Warriors

They faced pretty much an equal amount of great teams

You left out the 89 Pistons and 96 Magic so no you

[baudkarma]

Jordan played, and beat, whatever team was in front of him in the finals. It's not his fault that the competition was inferior. His Bulls didn't even let any finals go to seven games. They were efficient and took care of business. Every year.

If you want to talk embarrassing, how about we look at finals teams that lost to inferior competition? Yeah, I'm talking 2016 Warriors and 2011 Heat. Maybe even 2014 Heat.

[TheCorporation]

you just don't get it my dear friend...:lol

The best finals team Jordon faced had this unstoppable force on their roster:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4f/c2/5b/4fc25b620c10838801ec6b5939e5f99f.jpg

Compared to today's sissy SGs, that era was full of juggernauts like that for Jordon to compete with..never before or after the rings won mattered more than coming up against such giants of the game!:applause: :bowdown:

Is that 10.7 ppg worst #2 option in Finals history :eek:

3ball dont Google 1998 Finals
-10.7 Hornacek
-Worst #2 option in Finals history :(

[And1AllDay]

Why cant a single MJ stan ever answer this question with pride:

What was the best Finals team Jordan ever beat?

Why are his rings so embarrassing?

we getting this up to 15 pages?

3ball? why do you have all the answers but then go quiet with this one :oldlol:

all of a sudden 3ball has no more spreadsheets or answers :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

Jordan played, and beat, whatever team was in front of him in the finals. It's not his fault that the competition was inferior. His Bulls didn't even let any finals go to seven games. They were efficient and took care of business. Every year.

If you want to talk embarrassing, how about we look at finals teams that lost to inferior competition? Yeah, I'm talking 2016 Warriors and 2011 Heat. Maybe even 2014 Heat.

of course they didnt go 7 games he played the biggest cupcake teams in finals history while being for a stacked team

2011 heat was a bad look for wade ball so thank god it was made up for with bran ball in 12' adn 13'

as for 2014 issa reach dont be a dummy :oldlol:

[bullettooth]

of course they didnt go 7 games he played the biggest cupcake teams in finals history while being for a stacked team

2011 heat was a bad look for wade ball so thank god it was made up for with bran ball in 12' adn 13'

as for 2014 issa reach dont be a dummy :oldlol:

Guess he should have lost 6 times instead then, huh?

[guy]

If you want to call any ring

[TheCorporation]

we getting this up to 15 pages?

3ball? why do you have all the answers but then go quiet with this one :oldlol:

all of a sudden 3ball has no more spreadsheets or answers :oldlol:


Anyone? :lol

[superduper]

So us Bran stans agree that 75% of the playoffs was much, MUCH harder for MJ and only 25% was harder for Bran?

So we all agree that the playoffs overall were MUCH tougher for MJ?

Thanks and bye.

[TheCorporation]

So us Bran stans agree that 75% of the playoffs was much, MUCH harder for MJ and only 25% was harder for Bran?

So we all agree that the playoffs overall were MUCH tougher for MJ?

Thanks and bye.

Jordan's first round was more difficult because he was a retard that couldn't win without Scottie Pippen :lol

Let's not give him credit for being an idiot that couldn't win games...

LeBron's later playoff rounds are still better overall


2007 Pistons
2011 Bulls
2012 Celtics
2012 Pacers
2013 Pacers
2015 Hawks
2016 Raptors
2017 Raptors

All much better teams than anything Jordan faced in any Playoff round

[superduper]

Jordan's first round was more difficult because he was a retard that couldn't win without Scottie Pippen :lol

Let's not give him credit for being an idiot that couldn't win games...

LeBron's later playoff rounds are still better overall


2007 Pistons
2011 Bulls
2012 Celtics
2012 Pacers
2013 Pacers
2015 Hawks
2016 Raptors
2017 Raptors

All much better teams than anything Jordan faced in any Playoff round

Um actually the first THREE rounds were tougher for Jordan according to our favorite stat SRS. You can fact check this if you like instead of spewing random teams that means literally nothing :lol

So THREE rounds were tougher for Jordan.
And ONE round was tougher for Bran.

Hence the playoffs overall were MUCH tougher for Jordan.

Thanks :cheers:

[Phoenix]

LeBron's later playoff rounds are still better overall


2007 Pistons
2011 Bulls
2012 Celtics
2012 Pacers
2013 Pacers
2015 Hawks
2016 Raptors
2017 Raptors

All much better teams than anything Jordan faced in any Playoff round

There's no way there's a dumber post on the internet written today than this one. Jesus H. Christ.

[superduper]

There's no way there's a dumber post on the internet written today than this one. Jesus H. Christ.

I got this one bro, you ether the other dumbasses.

[Phoenix]

I got this one bro, you ether the other dumbasses.

:cheers:

[TheCorporation]

What was the best Finals team Jordan ever beat?

Why are his rings so embarrassing?

[Manny98]

So us Bran stans agree that 75% of the playoffs was much, MUCH harder for MJ and only 25% was harder for Bran?

So we all agree that the playoffs overall were MUCH tougher for MJ?

Thanks and bye.
Jordan faced better competition in the first round because his teams always finished as a lower seed for a chunk of his career whilst LeBron ALWAYS finished as a top seed

In the series that actually matter (finals) LeBron faced far tougher competition

[And1AllDay]

Jordan faced better competition in the first round because his teams always finished as a lower seed for a chunk of his career whilst LeBron ALWAYS finished as a top seed

In the series that actually matter (finals) LeBron faced far tougher competition

this and it aint close

manny bomb :applause:

[And1AllDay]

What was the best Finals team Jordan ever beat?

Why are his rings so embarrassing?

ne1?

[TheCorporation]

Where's that spreadsheet kid with "all the answers" he seems QUIET whenever I come into town.


3ball slayer 4 ever :pimp:

[superduper]

Jordan faced better competition in the first round because his teams always finished as a lower seed for a chunk of his career whilst LeBron ALWAYS finished as a top seed

In the series that actually matter (finals) LeBron faced far tougher competition

You guys can keep saying this all you want but it was the first THREE Rounds not just the first round.

So to recap; 75% of Jordan's playoffs were tougher leaving only 25% of Bran's playoffs to be tougher.

No amount of wishful thinking will change reality.

Thanks.

[DoctorP]

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[RealSkipBayless]

ne1?
Bout to be 200 replies deep with still no answer. :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

Bout to be 200 replies deep with still no answer. :oldlol:


MJ stans on suicide watch :lol

[Manny98]

You guys can keep saying this all you want but it was the first THREE Rounds not just the first round.

So to recap; 75% of Jordan's playoffs were tougher leaving only 25% of Bran's playoffs to be tougher.

No amount of wishful thinking will change reality.

Thanks.
I just explained to you why Jordan faced tougher competition in the earlier rounds you stupid retard.

In the series that actually matter (finals) LeBron faced far better competition

[SpaceJammeR]

Everyone knows lebron faced tougher competition. Is that even a question.

[Leviathon1121]

Everyone knows lebron faced tougher competition. Is that even a question.
He didn

[bullettooth]

Everyone knows lebron faced tougher competition. Is that even a question.

Yeah demar derozen was a real juggernaut. :rolleyes:

[Phoenix]

I just explained to you why Jordan faced tougher competition in the earlier rounds you stupid retard.

In the series that actually matter (finals) LeBron faced far better competition

How does ANY series in the playoffs NOT matter?

[Manny98]

How does ANY series in the playoffs NOT matter?
If your facing good teams in the earlier rounds then that must mean you finished the season as a lower seed so it doesn't matter

MJ doesn't get credit for going into the playoffs as a lower seed

LeBron was a top seed his entire career so obviously he'd get the luxury of facing weaker competition in the earlier rounds

[Hey Yo]

You guys can keep saying this all you want but it was the first THREE Rounds not just the first round.

So to recap; 75% of Jordan's playoffs were tougher leaving only 25% of Bran's playoffs to be tougher.

No amount of wishful thinking will change reality.

Thanks.
Cavs swept a 60 win team in the ECF with no K. Love and Kyrie missing 2 games.

When did MJ ever do that while missing Ho Grant for the series and Pippen for 2gms?

[Phoenix]

If your facing good teams in the earlier rounds then that must mean you finished the season as a lower seed so it doesn't matter

MJ doesn't get credit for going into the playoffs as a lower seed

LeBron was a top seed his entire career so obviously he'd get the luxury of facing weaker competition in the earlier rounds

If you're in a tougher conference which the 80's east was, with mediocre talent which the Bulls had until until Pippen and Grant developed, then getting a lower seed isn't hard to fathom. MJ was getting 50 wins by 88 when Pippen and Grant were rookies, so the Bulls were already climbing in the seedings before Pippen become anything close to an all-star.

[ImKobe]

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2017/05/lebron_james_vs_michael_jordan_1.html

This breaks down their title runs pretty well, Jordan had the toughest run out of the two players while James had the weakest. The Cleveland article obviously tries to make a case for James, claiming that the .18 difference in their Finals' opponents' win percentage is why he's 3-4 at the time but disregards the fact that it's higher only due to 2016 and he only won due to injuries and a suspension to the Warriors.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

If your facing good teams in the earlier rounds then that must mean you finished the season as a lower seed so it doesn't matter

MJ doesn't get credit for going into the playoffs as a lower seed

LeBron was a top seed his entire career so obviously he'd get the luxury of facing weaker competition in the earlier rounds

Yet you give Lebron credit for losing in the finals.

And bitch about Jordan winning more finals.

You're a troll that should be banned. Sorry ass motherfukker :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

So where's all the MJ fans with all the answers?

Why are they so QUIET?

No more answers?

[TheCorporation]

Yet you give Lebron credit for losing in the finals.

And bitch about Jordan winning more finals.

You're a troll that should be banned. Sorry ass motherfukker :oldlol:

Which was his best Finals win again?

You're a troll that should be banned. Sorry ass motherfukker :oldlol:

[Phoenix]

So where's all the MJ fans with all the answers?

Why are they so QUIET?

No more answers?

https://media0.giphy.com/media/6KukVPliFsbHW/giphy.gif

[RealSkipBayless]

Bout to be 200 replies deep with still no answer. :oldlol:
I knew it. :facepalm

[superduper]

I just explained to you why Jordan faced tougher competition in the earlier rounds you stupid retard.

In the series that actually matter (finals) LeBron faced far better competition

You literally only talked about the first round you fking baboon. How about the 2nd and 3rd rounds?

It's just a straight up fact that Jordan's first THREE rounds were MUCH tougher than Bran's and only ONE round was tougher for Bran. So 75% of the playoffs were tougher for Jordan while only 25% of the playoffs were tougher for Bran.

BOOM.

[TheMan]

Jordan faced better competition in the first round because his teams always finished as a lower seed for a chunk of his career whilst LeBron ALWAYS finished as a top seed

In the series that actually matter (finals) LeBron faced far tougher competition
So you're saying LeBron cakewalked to the Finals 8 straight times in a sorry ass EC before he finally got exposed in the round that mattered... gotcha :lol

In other words, MJ beat superior competition in a tough EC and dispatched the weaker WC champ in the Finals meanwhile LeBron got abused by the stronger WC champ meaning his ass wouldn't even get to the Finals had he been in the WC all these years (like last year for example), nicely sums up his pathetic 3/6 Finals record :applause:

Those 8 straight years to the Finals aren't so impressive anymore the way you put it :(

2

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[TheMan]

So where's all the MJ fans with all the answers?

Why are they so QUIET?

No more answers?
Manny98 explained it crystal clear...LeBron's competition was trash on his way to the Finals, where he finally met legit competition, explains why LeBron has double the Finals defeats to victory margin...

Thanks Bron fam, y'all finally agree with what we've been saying all these years :applause:

I applaud your honesty.

[superduper]

So where's all the MJ fans with all the answers?

Why are they so QUIET?

No more answers?

I've already provided the ether over and over that Jordan's first THREE rounds being tougher >>> ONE round for Bran being tougher.

How you choose to take that information (or delusionally not take it) is entirely up to you.

I wish you luck on your endevour to ignore facts/reality while you continue to bump this thread with deluded nonsense.

Peace.

[TheCorporation]

So where's all the MJ fans that have all the answers?

Hmm, but...why are they so QUIET?

No more answers all of a sudden?

[TheCorporation]

I knew it. :facepalm
Oh, you definitely called this one man.

6 embarrassing rings. Poor fan base in shambles :(

MJ stans like to talk about his ring count but not his championships :lol

[Bawkish]

Oh, you definitely called this one man.

6 embarrassing rings. Poor fan base in shambles :(

MJ stans like to talk about his ring count but not his championships :lol

BO. RING.

it's like watching Lebron during 2011 NBA Finals

[TheMan]

Oh, you definitely called this one man.

6 embarrassing rings. Poor fan base in shambles :(

MJ stans like to talk about his ring count but not his championships :lol
Why does L36ron lose so much in the Finals?

Why can't he deliver when the chips are down?

Must really be exhausting coming up with different narratives to drag down GOATs so you can lift up LeFail :(

I believe in you little fella, you'll pull through :cheers:

[Manny98]

Imagine bragging about facing tougher competition in the first two rounds :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Manny98]

5 toughest teams MJ faced in the East

86 Celtics
88 Pistons
89 Pistons
90 Pistons
95 Magic

Oh wait... he lost to all the them :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Bawkish]

5 toughest teams MJ faced in the East

86 Celtics
88 Pistons
89 Pistons
90 Pistons
95 Magic

Oh wait... he lost to all the them :roll: :roll: :roll:

in comparison with:

Kemba's Bobcats
Demar's Raptors
Korver's Hawks
Hibbert's Pacers

wow, look at those juggernaut teams :lol

and who can forget Dwight's Magic

i mean you win 66 games just to lose to that "softy" :roll:

[Manny98]

Top teams LeBron faced in East

08 Celtics (LeBron took them to 7 games)
06/07 Pistons
11 Bulls with MVP Rose
11 4 all star Celtics
60 win 4 all star Hawks

LeBron won 4/5 against the top teams :bowdown: :bowdown:

Let's not forget the 2018 Raptors who had a higher SRS than the bad boy Pistons who LeBron swept :bowdown: :bowdown:

[brutalBBQ]

Top teams LeBron faced in East

08 Celtics (LeBron took them to 7 games)
06/07 Pistons
11 Bulls with MVP Rose
11 4 all star Celtics
60 win 4 all star Hawks

LeBron won 4/5 against the top teams :bowdown: :bowdown:

Let's not forget the 2018 Raptors who had a higher SRS than the bad boy Pistons who LeBron swept :bowdown: :bowdown:

All Ls brother, only chips are 11/12 12/13 and 15/16

[sportjames23]

5 toughest teams MJ faced in the East

86 Celtics
88 Pistons
89 Pistons
90 Pistons
95 Magic

Oh wait... he lost to all the them :roll: :roll: :roll:


I've never seen someone melt down like this bitch.

https://i.ibb.co/5KdRR1C/giphy.gif

[Manny98]

Imagine stanning a player that was 0/5 against his toughest competition :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Phoenix]

5 toughest teams MJ faced in the East

86 Celtics
88 Pistons
89 Pistons
90 Pistons
95 Magic

Oh wait... he lost to all the them :roll: :roll: :roll:

And just about every single one of them were better than just about any team Lebron faced in the east. The ONLY team on that level were the 2008 Celtics who Lebron took to seven, which would noteworthy if not for the fact that the 37 win Hawks led by Joe Johnson did the same thing in the first round. Then Bron has to run off to D. Wade to get past a declining Celtics in 2011, and he wasn't even the past player in that series, Wade was. :yaohappy:

[Phoenix]

Top teams LeBron faced in East

08 Celtics (LeBron took them to 7 games) So did Josh Smith
06/07 Pistons At the end of their run and missing Ben Wallace. The ole '91 Pistons were old/injured' argument
11 Bulls with MVP Rose one all-star vs three( Lebron, Wade, Bosh). And you're saying this was an uphill battle?
11 4 all star Celtics You mean the 35 year old KG/Pierce/Allen Squad when D.Wade was the best player in the series?
60 win 4 all star Hawks Ah yes, the juggernaut Jeff Teague/Kyle Korver Hawk dynasty :rolleyes:

LeBron won 4/5 against the top teams :bowdown: :bowdown:

Let's not forget the 2018 Raptors who had a higher SRS than the bad boy Pistons who LeBron swept :bowdown: :bowdown:

Debunked......again.

[Manny98]

And just about every single one of them were better than just about any team Lebron faced in the east. The ONLY team on that level were the 2008 Celtics who Lebron took to seven, which would noteworthy if not for the fact that the 37 win Hawks led by Joe Johnson did the same thing in the first round. Then Bron has to run off to D. Wade to get past a declining Celtics in 2011, and he wasn't even the past player in that series, Wade was. :yaohappy:
Wrong

The 2018 Raptors,06 Pistons and 2011 Bulls had a higher SRS than any team MJ ever faced in the East minus the 86 Celtics

The 08 Celtics had a higher SRS than the 86 Celtics

Inb4 you act like SRS is completely irrelevant and try to move the goalpost again to fit your agenda

[Phoenix]

Wrong

The 2018 Raptors,06 Pistons and 2011 Bulls had a higher SRS than any team MJ ever faced in the East minus the 86 Celtics

The 08 Celtics had a higher SRS than the 86 Celtics

Inb4 you act like SRS is completely irrelevant and try to move the goalpost again to fit your agenda

Explain to us what SRS is, then explain to us why that particular stat makes those teams better. It's a number you picked out off basketball reference, now let's see you contextualize it in a comparative sense between MJ's opponents and Lebron's. Bear minimum grade school language please, thanks.

[Manny98]

Explain to us what SRS is, then explain to us why that particular stat makes those teams better. It's a number you picked out off basketball reference, now let's see you contextualize it in a comparative sense between MJ's opponents and Lebron's. Bear minimum grade school language please, thanks.
you didn't have a problem with SRS a few pages ago when it was used to prop up your idol now all of a sudden you have an issue with it :roll:

[Manny98]

Couple more bits of info stolen from elsewhere...

Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in 1st round: -0.15
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in 1st round: 3.03

Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in 2nd round: 2.93
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in 2nd round: 3.68

Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in 3rd round: 4.11
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in 3rd round: 5.39

Average SRS of teams Lebron faced in the finals: 7.75
Average SRS of teams Jordan faced in the finals: 6.84

Comes out as most logical people see it. LeBrons Finals opponents have been tougher overall but Jordan's road to the Finals has been tougher

As for the point about All-NBA players:

Since 2011, The West has had 81 All-NBA players to the East having 39 (8 of those being LeBron himself)
:rolleyes:

According to SRS the 2018 Raptors are better than the bad boy Pistons

I win again :hammertime:

[Phoenix]

you didn't have a problem with SRS a few pages ago when it was used to prop up your idol now all of a sudden you have an issue with it :roll:

I didn't see the comment earlier, and I don't care. Detailed analysis of SRS, what it means, and how you're using it to compare teams across eras. Either answer my question and stop deflecting with the above non-response, or shut the fukk up.

Pick one.

[Manny98]

LeBron swept a team that was better than the bad boy pistons according to Jordan stans own logic :banana:

[Phoenix]

LeBron swept a team that was better than the bad boy pistons according to Jordan stans own logic :banana:

So in other words, you choose to shut the fukk up and stick with replies that don't address my post. Ain't even had my morning coffee yet and I'm schooling this retard with cow-webs in my eyes.

[Manny98]

Nothing to address

18 Raptors > Bad Boy Pistons using Jordantard logic :applause:

[Phoenix]

Saying there's nothing to address shouldn't be confused with being unable to address. :lol

Bah-bye inbreed98, I win......getting exhausting hand out Ls at this point.

[Manny98]

Saying there's nothing to address shouldn't be confused with being unable to address. :lol

Bah-bye inbreed98, I win......getting exhausting hand out Ls at this point.
Nothing to address

18 Raptors > Bad Boy Pistons using Jordantard logic :applause:

Another win for the LeFam :rockon:

[Phoenix]

Nothing to address

18 Raptors > Bad Boy Pistons using Jordantard logic :applause:

Another win for the LeFam :rockon:

Unable to address.

I win. :cheers:

[Manny98]

Unable to address.

I win. :cheers:
Address what?

I wasn't the one propping up SRS to make out that Jordans competition was better than LeBrons

Now it's used against you your mad :oldlol:

[Phoenix]

Address what?

I wasn't the one propping up SRS to make out that Jordans competition was better than LeBrons

Now it's used against you your mad :oldlol:

Neither was I. Now answer my question.


Explain to us what SRS is, then explain to us why that particular stat makes those teams better. It's a number you picked out off basketball reference, now let's see you contextualize it in a comparative sense between MJ's opponents and Lebron's. Bear minimum grade school language please, thanks.

Still waiting....every failure to answer my question is another L. Your reply to this will be another non-reply to the above quote. And that will be another L. You get the idea.

[Manny98]

Neither was I. Now answer my question.



Still waiting....every failure to answer my question is another L. Your reply to this will be another non-reply to the above quote. And that will be another L. You get the idea.
Simple Rating System (SRS): a team rating that takes into account average point differential and strength of schedule. The rating is denominated in points above/below average, where zero is average. It works by first finding how many points, on average, a team wins/loses by. For each game, the point differential is then weighted based on how much better or worse than average their opponent's point differential is.

The best teams ever 17 Warriors,96 Bulls, 87 Lakers are at the top of highest SRS so it's a good metric to measure how good a team is

[Phoenix]

Simple Rating System (SRS): a team rating that takes into account average point differential and strength of schedule. The rating is denominated in points above/below average, where zero is average. It works by first finding how many points, on average, a team wins/loses by. For each game, the point differential is then weighted based on how much better or worse than average their opponent's point differential is.

No, I didn't ask you to copy/paste the definition from basketball reference:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/aqid90/based_on_basketball_references_simple_rating/

I asked you to explain what it is and provide a contextual argument to compare Jordan's and Lebron's competition. Sorry, but plagiarizing gets you a demerit and an


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Now answer my question.

"The best teams ever 17 Warriors,96 Bulls, 87 Lakers are at the top of highest SRS so it's a good metric to measure how good a team is"

Really? Ok, now tell us why it's a good measure. Detailed explanation, thanks.

[Manny98]

Are you f*cking slow or something?

If a team has a higher point differential obviously then that means that they were more dominant it's not that hard of a concept to understand

SRS is essentially point differential which takes into account strength of schedule to present a more accurate metric.

8 of the 11 highest SRS of all time all won a championship. I don't want to hear no bs acting like it's a bullshit metric when i just showed it's a legitimate way to measure team dominance

[Phoenix]

Are you f*cking slow or something?

If a team has a higher point differential obviously then that means that they were more dominant it's not that hard of a concept to understand

SRS is essentially point differential which takes into account strength of schedule to present a more accurate metric.

8 of the 11 highest SRS of all time all won a championship. I don't want to hear no bs acting like it's a bullshit metric when i just showed it's a legitimate way to measure team dominance

SRS is a stat which measures a teams point differential dominance relative to the competition in their own era. It's shows the level of era-specific parity. The 2019 Raptors SRS shows their dominance to 2019 competition, not teams from 30 years ago whose dominance in THEIR era would have its own relative SRS. It's an inconclusive metric to use comparing cross era teams. Some of Lebron's competition SRS is high because he got blown off the floor in a few finals. The 2014 Spurs shit on the Heat worse than any team they faced previously in the playoffs. The Mavs with 36 year old Dirk took San Antonio to 7 in the first round. Especially when you consider that Wade and Bosh's health wasn't good, and that didn't prevent them from making it through the east. So their in-conference competition wasn't that good if they couldn't beat the worst version of that Heat team.....which is what people have been arguing. At some point you need to be able to make some logical deductions.

The only thing your reply says is you saw a number that was higher than another, and said 'this number is higher, so higher number is better' like a simpleton, without any concept of how to contextualize it beyond that. You do the same shit with other advanced metrics. You have no idea how to actually rationalize anything you say beyond 'that number is higher than this'. You're a retarded simpleton with an intellectual deficit to be throwing around numbers you don't understand.

[Manny98]

All stats are "relative" dumbass

I'm a simpleton for not writing a essay to explain a simple concept?

You don't even understand SRS yourself as it only measures what you do in the regular season. Trying to make out that LeBrons opponents SRS are inflated because they blew them out lol what a dumbass

Your literally exposing yourself as a typical biased Jordan stan in this thread

Turns a blind eye when someone uses SRS to prop up his idol but the second someone uses SRS against his beloved MJ he melts down

Quit acting like your some objective poster when deep down your just as bad as 3ball,SuperDuper and the rest of those tards

[bullettooth]

Quit acting like your some objective poster when deep down your just as bad as 3ball,SuperDuper and the rest of those tards

That is hilarious coming from someone like you.


I don't know why everyone is overreacting LeBron is still going to make the playoffs Spurs and Clippers are trash and LeBron will go into GOAT mode down the stretch

Source: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13613445&postcount=19


We're already looking to next season this was supposed to be a throwaway season from the start anyway

Source: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13623841&postcount=5

[Phoenix]

All stats are "relative" dumbass

I'm a simpleton for not writing a essay to explain a simple concept?

You don't even understand SRS yourself as it only measures what you do in the regular season. Trying to make out that LeBrons opponents SRS are inflated because they blew them out lol what a dumbass

Your literally exposing yourself as a typical biased Jordan stan in this thread

Turns a blind eye when someone uses SRS to prop up his idol but the second someone uses SRS against his beloved MJ he melts down

Quit acting like your some objective poster when deep down your just as bad as 3ball,SuperDuper and the rest of those tards

Exactly. Stats are relative. Especially cross era. Which means you have even less reason to sit there and act like SRS is supposed to be some fool-proof measure of determining anything about teams separated by 30 years. You keep going on about what some other poster used. That has nothing to do with me, or this conversation. So I don't give a fukk about the application of it in this conversation, or any conversation you were involved in with someone else. I asked you to explain how its applicable to teams 30 years apart, and you STILL haven't addressed that question. Oh, you're only using it because someone else used it? Well then address it to them, fukking dimwit.

I make no bones about the fact that I'm an MJ fan. Am I supposed to shy away from saying I like a player? I've never presented myself as not having my own preferences. So your comment about me acting like other posters means sweet fukk all. I'm also a fan of about 15 other players. I actually like Lebron more than you like MJ, because your fakkit ass harps on MJ like he spunked in your moms face. I'm sure she presents an easy target in the fishing village you grew up in. Gotta raise that mistake she conceived somehow...

You have absolutely nothing of value to contribute about any topic that isn't about either player. Go kill yourself you fukking inbred c*nt.

Inb4meltdown :rolleyes:

[Phoenix]

Actually cuckwank98 scratch that, c*nts are useful.....except for when you came out of one. My apologies to women everyone for the comparison.

[Leviathon1121]

Manny is so angry that Lebron has no chance at being considered the GOAT anymore. It’s not even trolling at this point, he has legit let it ruin his life. :roll:

[Hey Yo]

Exactly. Stats are relative. Especially cross era. Which means you have even less reason to sit there and act like SRS is supposed to be some fool-proof measure of determining anything about teams separated by 30 years. You keep going on about what some other poster used. That has nothing to do with me, or this conversation. So I don't give a fukk about the application of it in this conversation, or any conversation you were involved in with someone else. I asked you to explain how its applicable to teams 30 years apart, and you STILL haven't addressed that question. Oh, you're only using it because someone else used it? Well then address it to them, fukking dimwit.

I make no bones about the fact that I'm an MJ fan. Am I supposed to shy away from saying I like a player? I've never presented myself as not having my own preferences. So your comment about me acting like other posters means sweet fukk all. I'm also a fan of about 15 other players. I actually like Lebron more than you like MJ, because your fakkit ass harps on MJ like he spunked in your moms face. I'm sure she presents an easy target in the fishing village you grew up in. Gotta raise that mistake she conceived somehow...

You have absolutely nothing of value to contribute about any topic that isn't about either player. Go kill yourself you fukking inbred c*nt.

Inb4meltdown :rolleyes:
damn dude..... you're shook as fvck. :eek:

[Phoenix]

damn dude..... you're shook as fvck. :eek:

Ah, was wondering when you'd ride in. Last time I made a similar comment you were the one to comment on it. In a forum where posters are allowed to say that MJ killed his father, it's interesting that me saying this is where your moral compass kicks in.

[Hey Yo]

Ah, was wondering when you'd ride in. Last time I made a similar comment you were the one to comment on it. In a forum where posters are allowed to say that MJ killed his father, it's interesting that me saying this is where your moral compass kicks in.
I don't care what you write...... It's just when I see stuff like that written (regardless by who) it just a tell / confirmation that someone is completely fvckin shook to the core at that moment.

[Phoenix]

I don't care what you write...... It's just when I see stuff like that written (regardless by who) it just a tell / confirmation that someone is completely fvckin shook to the core at that moment.

You care enough to make just enough effort to respond. What you see and perceive as being 'shook to the core' or whatever boring ISH catchphrase gets you through the next hour is of no consequence.

[Hey Yo]

You care enough to make just enough effort to respond. What you see and perceive as being 'shook to the core' or whatever boring ISH catchphrase gets you through the next hour is of no consequence.
It's just rare that you see that type of frustration shown on a sports message board..... that's why I commented both times.

[Phoenix]

It's just rare that you see that type of frustration shown on a sports message board..... that's why I commented both times.

Fantastic. The next time it happens be sure to notify the board again to keep things moving.

Anyhoot....

[RRR3]

Ah, was wondering when you'd ride in. Last time I made a similar comment you were the one to comment on it. In a forum where posters are allowed to say that MJ killed his father, it's interesting that me saying this is where your moral compass kicks in.
I mean it’s a pretty messed up thing to say man. People have actually killed themselves because of comments like that. You don’t know what people online are going through. Especially someone who trolls a lot, they may be very unhappy. So when you encourage suicide it can actually lead to it! So please don’t do that again. On here or in “real life”

[Hey Yo]

Fantastic. The next time it happens be sure to notify the board again to keep things moving.

Anyhoot....
I didn't notify anyone..... you're the one who put your frustrations into words and then put it out there for all to see.

[Phoenix]

[QUOTE=RRR3]I mean it