Who was the better defender? Kobe or LeBron?

[ClipperRevival]

Don't melt down too hard babybois.

[Gus Hemmingway]

4 rebounds 2 assists

[1987_Lakers]

LeBron at his peak is a better defender than both Kobe & MJ.

LeBron could guard every position on the floor and provided rim-protection that Kobe and MJ didn't.

[ClipperRevival]

LeBron at his peak is a better defender than both Kobe & MJ.

LeBron could guard every position on the floor and provided rim-protection that Kobe and MJ didn't.

:roll:

[superduper]

Kobe and it's not even remotely close

[3ball]

LeBron at his peak is a better defender than both Kobe & MJ.

LeBron could guard every position on the floor and provided rim-protection that Kobe and MJ didn't.
MJ was better at guarding PG's and SG's, while Lebron SF's and PF's... But MJ could guard sf better than Bron guarded pg

Neither guarded centers a material amount to matter.. MJ guarded vlade in the 91 Finals as much as lebron guarded any center

Now who led teammates better on D and held them accountable to raise their level of play? MJ hands down

Overall - MJ >>>>

Same applies to Kobe, although the gap is less

[ClipperRevival]

LeBron at his peak is a better defender than both Kobe & MJ.

LeBron could guard every position on the floor and provided rim-protection that Kobe and MJ didn't.

Just to clarify. I am :roll: at the MJ remark. Reason I made this thread was to compare LeBron vs Kobe. Because anyone with any bball brain would know, MJ sh*ts on both as a defender and it's not even close. If you do, you are a blithering idiot. Leave MJ out of this.

[Jasper]

a poll of 5 :rolleyes: :wtf: :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

Just to clarify. I am :roll: at the MJ remark. Reason I made this thread was to compare LeBron vs Kobe. Because anyone with any bball brain would know, MJ sh*ts on both as a defender and it's not even close. If you do, you are a blithering idiot. Leave MJ out of this.

MJ has the edge over LeBron when it comes to consistent defense, but no...2012 LeBron is a better defender than any version of MJ.

The chase down blocks, the ability to shut down MVP Derrick Rose, or Pau Gasol. The ability to rim-protect and block guys like Duncan at the rim. His versatility on defense was insane.

LeBron > MJ

Get over it.

[ClipperRevival]

In terms of talent, it's hard to say because Kobe was obviously better at keeping his man in front of him, which is defense 101. But LeBron was more versatile and could guard positions all the way up to 4s (no, he could NOT consistently guard 5's).

But the tie breaker for me is the desire. Who wanted it more? And to me, that is obvious. So to me, Kobe was the better defender.

[ClipperRevival]

MJ has the edge over LeBron when it comes to consistent defense, but no...2012 LeBron is a better defender than any version of MJ.

The chase down blocks, the ability to shut down MVP Derrick Rose, or Pau Gasol. The ability to rim-protect and block guys like Duncan at the rim. His versatility on defense was insane.

LeBron > MJ

Get over it.

You just showed it right there bro. You think D starts with chase down blocks. Bye. :roll:

[superduper]

You just showed it right there bro. You think D starts with chase down blocks. Bye. :roll:

bang

[1987_Lakers]

You just showed it right there bro. You think D starts with chase down blocks. Bye. :roll:

So we are just going to throw transition defense out the window? You can say LeBron won the Finals in 2016 on a chase down block on Iggy in the final minutes of game 7.

You're damn right I just showed it right there, LeBron > MJ. :pimp:

[HylianNightmare]

Kobe

[3ball]

MJ has the edge over LeBron when it comes to consistent defense, but no...2012 LeBron is a better defender than any version of MJ.

The chase down blocks, the ability to shut down MVP Derrick Rose, or Pau Gasol. The ability to rim-protect and block guys like Duncan at the rim. His versatility on defense was insane.

LeBron > MJ

Get over it.
Lebron was never a rim protector or better shot-blocker than MJ

MJ had plenty of chase-down blocks, and blocked big men more than Lebron ever did - countless highlights of MJ blocking Hakeem, Shaq, DR .. Lebron never blocked guys like this and never as frequently

[ClipperRevival]

So we are just going to throw transition defense out the window? You can say LeBron won the Finals in 2016 on a chase down block on Iggy in the final minutes of game 7.

You're damn right I just showed it right there, LeBron > MJ. :pimp:

No, I am not ignoring D in transition. But the main point you have made in your last 2 posts is chase down blocks. Casuals get caught up in that due to the sexiness of it. Is that what you are? Because surely, you must know D is much more than that.

[SouBeachTalents]

Hard to say, but they’re both better than Jordan

[1987_Lakers]

Lebron was never a rim protector or better shot-blocker than MJ

MJ had plenty of chase-down blocks, and blocked big men more than Lebron ever did - countless highlights of MJ blocking Hakeem, Shaq, DR .. Lebron never blocked guys like this and never as frequently
All I saw was MJ getting crapped on when he tried to guard big men like Divac in the finals while LeBron held his own.

[warriorfan]

Lebron was never a rim protector or better shot-blocker than MJ

MJ had plenty of chase-down blocks, and blocked big men more than Lebron ever did - countless highlights of MJ blocking Hakeem, Shaq, DR .. Lebron never blocked guys like this and never as frequently

He let his teammate do it. Remeber Wade

[ClipperRevival]

LOL

Do yall know that MJ had a 3 year period where he averaged 1.5 BPG? Or that he is 4th all time in SPG at 2.35 per game? MJ was a freaken wreck on D. He was GOAT tier at keeping guys in front of him (which is D 101) and also GOAT tier at help D.

Please, let's keep the topic at hand. This is a LeBron vs Kobe debate, which is more arguable. MJ literally sh*ts on both as a defender.

[1987_Lakers]

Lebron was never a rim protector or better shot-blocker than MJ


Jordan never had LeBron's 3 point shooting, ability to guard multiple positions, size and strength, transition D, passing ability, rebounding ability, or rim-protecting.


Get over it 3 ball, once LeBron wins the next couple of titles, MJ will be looked at as a poor man's LeBron.

[1987_Lakers]

LOL

Do yall know that MJ had a 3 year period where he averaged 1.5 BPG? Or that he is 4th all time in SPG at 2.35 per game? MJ was a freaken wreck on D. He was GOAT tier at keeping guys in front of him (which is D 101) and also GOAT tier at help D.

Please, let's keep the topic at hand. This is a LeBron vs Kobe debate, which is more arguable. MJ literally sh*ts on both as a defender.

Yea, in the 80's where stats were inflated due to the tremendous pace teams played at. :roll:

His block numbers were shit once the league slowed down.

[ClipperRevival]

Jordan never had LeBron's 3 point shooting, ability to guard multiple positions, size and strength, transition D, passing ability, rebounding ability, or rim-protecting.


Get over it 3 ball, once LeBron wins the next couple of titles, MJ will be looked at as a poor man's LeBron.

You really melting down hard babyboi. This topic has nothing to do with overall LeBron vs MJ comparison. Damn. :roll:

[ClipperRevival]

Yea, in the 80's where stats were inflated due to the tremendous pace teams played at. :roll:

His block numbers were shit once the league slowed down.

Or, dude peaked at BPG when he was at his athletic peak (early to mid 20s). Damn bro, you ok? :roll:

[1987_Lakers]

You really melting down hard babyboi. This topic has nothing to do with overall LeBron vs MJ comparison. Damn. :roll:

The truth hurts, doesn't it.

[1987_Lakers]

Or, dude peaked at BPG when he was at his athletic peak (early to mid 20s). Damn bro, you ok? :roll:

Wade was still averaging 1.3 blks at age 30, what is MJ's excuse?

[SomeBlackDude]

lol. bron has been a defensive liabilty for like half his career. :lol

even old man beans could muster up a shut down effort every once in a while.

kobe by a mile.

[ClipperRevival]

Wade was still averaging 1.3 blks at age 30, what is MJ's excuse?

Wade is the only guy who has an argument as GOAT shot blocker as a PG or SG along with MJ. That D help though...

[ClipperRevival]

1987 Lakers,

It's all good babyboi. We all got different opinions. Didn't want to come across as disrespecting you or anything like that. At the end of the day, it's just bball discussions on a message board. :cheers:

[eliteballer]

With or without LeBron's PED's?

[NBAGOAT]

Mj has a good argument career wise for good consistent effort while bron tapered off by 14 but yea I agree with 87 about peaks. Simply comes from positions they play. Defensive impact usually goes rim protectors>versatile,switchable forwards>guard man defenders. There are exceptions but I don’t think this is one and yea ik mjs help defense is pretty good, fantastic at steals.

Lebrons no draymond or kg or kirilenko or pippen but he does some similar things. Versatile(1-4 for bron specifically), athleticism allows him to help and recover which was crucial for Miami’s trapping defense and some decent rim protection for his position. Some guys get blocks on shooters but bron got most of his at the rim

Those elite switchable bigs are clearly better than any guard/wing who’s mostly known for man defense. Like there’s an enormous gap between wat dray does for gs’ defense and wat klay does.

Kobe doesn’t have that however like mj. Like there’s just little evidence he’s even an average defender in 12,13 so as bad as some brons highlights have been last few years, he’s likely better. Ofc I don’t blame Kobe because of his offensive load and age but it’s a fact and has happened other years too.

[Gileraracer]

LeBron at his peak is a better defender than both Kobe & MJ.

LeBron could guard every position on the floor and provided rim-protection that Kobe and MJ didn't.

:roll: :roll:


How long was that peak? 2 games?

[NBAGOAT]

:roll: :roll:


How long was that peak? 2 games?

5 seasons you dimwit highlight watcher

[Akeem34TheDream]

LeBron is a better team defender and its not really close. Kobe is better at 1on1 defense though.

[Manny98]

1. LeBron
2. MJ









12. Kobe

[SpaceJammeR]

never forget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mavBH9eFaM0

[34-24 Footwork]

In b4 Tiago Splitter gif

[And1AllDay]

LeBron at his peak is a better defender than both Kobe & MJ.

LeBron could guard every position on the floor and provided rim-protection that Kobe and MJ didn't.


Issa wrap

[stalkerforlife]

Bran fools the sheep with chase down blocks.

While Kobe has given numerous all time great defensive performances on the biggest stages.

Relentless defensive performances.

[Mr Feeny]

Why is Kobe in the same sentence as Lebron as a defender?:oldlol:
Lebron at his peak was the best perimeter defender on the planet. Kobe on his best day couldn't even come close to Lebron as a defender:roll:

[stalkerforlife]

Why is Kobe in the same sentence as Lebron as a defender?:oldlol:
Lebron at his peak was the best perimeter defender on the planet. Kobe on his best day couldn't even come close to Lebron as a defender:roll:

To be fair, you weren't even alive during Kobe's peak defensive days.

There are numerous videos of Bran playing ZERO defense in numerous finals to save energy for stats.

Kobe NEVER stopped playing defense in the finals for stats.

[FKAri]

To be fair, you weren't even alive during Kobe's peak defensive days.

There are numerous videos of Bran playing ZERO defense in numerous finals to save energy for stats.

Kobe NEVER stopped playing defense in the finals for stats.
Kobe can try as much harder than Bron as he wants. It doesn't make him a better defender.

[Mr Feeny]

To be fair, you weren't even alive during Kobe's peak defensive days.

There are numerous videos of Bran playing ZERO defense in numerous finals to save energy for stats.

Kobe NEVER stopped playing defense in the finals for stats.

In Kobe's "defensive peak", has a few tiers below what Lebron was defensively from 2009-2013. Kobe just wasn't a great defender.

[superduper]

The Consensus

[superduper]

In b4 Tiago Splitter gif

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Bronbron23]

Don't melt down too hard babybois.
On ball Kobe off ball LeBron. Overall it's a tough call. Flip a coin I guess

[LostCause]

Peak LeBron beats out Kobe defensively

Far as vs MJ it

[TheMan]

LeBron at his peak is a better defender than both Kobe & MJ.

LeBron could guard every position on the floor and provided rim-protection that Kobe and MJ didn't.
:yaohappy:

No, seriously, answer without trolling.

[superduper]

:yaohappy:

No, seriously, answer without trolling.

Chasedown blocks
$tats

boom.

[TheMan]

Chasedown blocks
$tats

boom.
That 1987_Lakers dude is a phony...he recently admitted that he has MJ as his GOAT but likes to say outrageous shit to troll MJ fans so I don't take anything he says about MJ seriously.

But this thread was about Kobe vs LeBron until he included MJ out of nowhere :facepalm

I got Kobe as the better defender between the two, LeBron quit playing defense more than half a decade ago.

[red1]

both trash.


two complete ****ing ****, that kobe and lebron duo.

[stalkerforlife]

both trash.


two complete ****ing ****, that kobe and lebron duo.

Pretending to turn on your boy?

[red1]

Pretending to turn on your boy?
shut up fakkit. go stan jimmer while he plays in china.



bu..bu...but would've been kobe or better if it wasnt for racism:( :confusedshrug:

[aj1987]

From his own coach:

[B]

[stalkerforlife]

[QUOTE=aj1987]From his own coach:

[B]

[Mr Feeny]

From our own eyes:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZlvjFqb5kE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yKjNWFqrAIg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XKUCE_5H7Iw

There's tons more, but you get the picture.

Take it easy on the Hindu kid. He wasnt watching basketball during that season. So he had to Google the book.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe, obviously to anyone who watched

[TheCorporation]

shut up fakkit. go stan jimmer while he plays in china.



bu..bu...but would've been kobe or better if it wasnt for racism:( :confusedshrug:


Goteeem

:lol

[Cold soul]

This has gotta be Kobe but Lebron is better off the ball defender.

[stalkerforlife]

Take it easy on the Hindu kid. He wasnt watching basketball during that season. So he had to Google the book.

:lol

[theballerFKA Ace]

Wheels is going to need more alts if he wants to win this poll

[tpols]

Lebrons teams have been some of the worst defensive teams in the league all the while he averages peak offensive numbers...

even old kobe wasnt as pathetic...

[34-24 Footwork]

Lebrons teams have been some of the worst defensive teams in the league all the while he averages peak offensive numbers...


Very important point...

[red1]

not gonna lie voted kobe - lebron better help defender kobe better man defender - i'll take the man defense.

[stalkerforlife]

It was great when Kobe took it upon himself to be the defensive leader in the Olympics.

Just a testament to his unselfishness and desire to win.

[sportjames23]

LeBron at his peak is a better defender than both Kobe & MJ.

LeBron could guard every position on the floor and provided rim-protection that Kobe and MJ didn't.


This is one of the absolute stupidest posts ever at ISH. And with the amount of bullshit spewed by Simon and his alts, that's saying something.

[sportjames23]

Just to clarify. I am :roll: at the MJ remark. Reason I made this thread was to compare LeBron vs Kobe. Because anyone with any bball brain would know, MJ sh*ts on both as a defender and it's not even close. If you do, you are a blithering idiot. Leave MJ out of this.


Seriously. That bitchboi couldn't keep MJ's name out of his mouth for this thread which has NOTHING to do with Jordan. Him and them other incels talk about MJ more than we do. :oldlol:

[sportjames23]

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]Hard to say, but they

[sportjames23]

All I saw was MJ getting crapped on when he tried to guard big men like Divac in the finals while LeBron held his own.

What big man in the Finals did Lebron hold his own against? I'll wait.

[Mr Feeny]

This is one of the absolute stupidest posts ever at ISH. And with the amount of bullshit spewed by Simon and his alts, that's saying something.

He was 7 years old in 2000. He grew up watching Shaq's lakers. He literally doesnt have a memory of Jordan because he was 5 when Jordan retired and wouldn't have been watching bball then. He CAN comment on Lebron vs his idol (Kobe) and I agree. Lebron is 10 times the defender Kobe ever was.

[Manny98]

This is one of the absolute stupidest posts ever at ISH. And with the amount of bullshit spewed by Simon and his alts, that's saying something.
He's right though peak LeBron was up there with the best perimeter defenders ever

[LostCause]

He's right though peak LeBron was up there with the best perimeter defenders ever

So is Jordan. Neither of them are up there with the best ever relatively speaking though

I'd trust Ben Taylors analysis much more than yours and here's his bit about LeBron specifically:

[QUOTE]According to this scaled set, his four-year defensive peak in adjusted plus-minus (APM) ranks 41st among perimeter players since 1997, although about two-thirds of the players ahead of him were defensive specialists.(LeBron

[BigTicket]

The answer depends on what is meant by better defender.

If we compare them at their peak, Kobe was the better defender (man to man) when he actually tried, but most of the time he did not. For team/help defense, Lebron was much better than Kobe.

Later in their career both Kobe and Lebron played little to no defense, so the arguing over who was better becomes meaningless.

[Mr Feeny]

So is Jordan. Neither of them are up there with the best ever relatively speaking though

I'd trust Ben Taylors analysis much more than yours and here's his bit about LeBron specifically:

Could we have a link to that?
Thank you.

[ClipperRevival]

From his own coach:

“Kobe’s defense, to be accurate, has faltered in recent years, despite his presence on the league’s all-defensive team. The voters have been seduced by his remarkable athleticism and spectacular steals, but he hasn’t played sound, fundamental defense.

"Mesmerized by the ball, he’s gambled too frequently, putting us out of position, forcing rotations that leave a man wide open, and doesn’t keep his feet on the ground.”

Jackson said this in his book “The Last Season: A Team in Search of Its Soul.”

Saw Kobe's entire career here in LA. His last season as an elite defender was in 2008-09, when he was 31. After that, he lost a clear step as his off season knee scopes were more regular and he just didn't have the natural lateral movement/quickness/stamina to do it play by play. So any All-NBA Defensive teams he has post that time, is not warranted imo.

But still doesn't change the fact that he was an absolute elite perimeter defender for 10 years, give or take. He was not up there on tier 1 as some of the best to ever do it but just below that tier.

[ClipperRevival]

Lebrons teams have been some of the worst defensive teams in the league all the while he averages peak offensive numbers...

even old kobe wasnt as pathetic...

Receiving end of the 2 worst finals margins of victory in NBA finals history. The suborinates folllow the lead of the leader. Can't trick people with a chase down block or two. D is about a mindset of not giving an inch to the opposition. Bron seldom had this mentality. He picked his spots. D has to be constant.

[Smoke117]

In terms of talent, it's hard to say because Kobe was obviously better at keeping his man in front of him, which is defense 101. But LeBron was more versatile and could guard positions all the way up to 4s (no, he could NOT consistently guard 5's).

But the tie breaker for me is the desire. Who wanted it more? And to me, that is obvious. So to me, Kobe was the better defender.

Kobe wanted it so much that he barely even tried throughout his career. lol. Right. Kobe. realistically, wasn't an all defensive level player more than 2-3 seasons. He just didn't try during the regular season. He was good in the playoffs, but not game changing good. He was never some high impact defensive player for the most part at any point in his career. LeBron was more impactful defensive player at his best.

[aj1987]

Take it easy on the Hindu kid. He wasnt watching basketball during that season. So he had to Google the book.
I've watched more basketball this season than you've watched in your entire life, inbred retard.


From our own eyes:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZlvjFqb5kE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yKjNWFqrAIg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XKUCE_5H7Iw

There's tons more, but you get the picture.
Nobody touches Jordan. That channel is the definition of autism. I wouldn't be surprised if it's 3ball running it, judging by how mind-numbingly idiotic those videos as.

Again, from Kobe's own coach (who's arguably the GOAT coach):

“Kobe’s defense, to be accurate, has faltered in recent years, despite his presence on the league’s all-defensive team. The voters have been seduced by his remarkable athleticism and spectacular steals, but he hasn’t played sound, fundamental defense.

"Mesmerized by the ball, he’s gambled too frequently, putting us out of position, forcing rotations that leave a man wide open, and doesn’t keep his feet on the ground.”

Jackson said this in his book “The Last Season: A Team in Search of Its Soul.”


Saw Kobe's entire career here in LA. His last season as an elite defender was in 2008-09, when he was 31. After that, he lost a clear step as his off season knee scopes were more regular and he just didn't have the natural lateral movement/quickness/stamina to do it play by play. So any All-NBA Defensive teams he has post that time, is not warranted imo.

But still doesn't change the fact that he was an absolute elite perimeter defender for 10 years, give or take. He was not up there on tier 1 as some of the best to ever do it but just below that tier.
Kobe was a very good defender for like 5 or 6 seasons in his career. Elite for about 3. Dude was extremely inconsistent on the defensive end and that's just a fact. This is something that Kobe stans to brush under the rug. He deserved 6 All-Def selections at the MOST. Heck, he wasn't even better defensively than Wade at his best. If you think I'm exaggerating, go watch a couple of games of Wade's from the '13 RS. That's from a past his prime Wade as well.

[NZStreetBaller]

Alot of defense comes down to effort and hustle scrubs can be decent defenders if they try hard enough.

Lebron is quite a lazy defender where as kobe and jordan always defended as hard as they could. They both relished those 1 on 1 moments

[RealSkipBayless]

6 Simon accounts and Lebron still lost.

:applause:

[stalkerforlife]

[QUOTE=aj1987]I've watched more basketball this season than you've watched in your entire life, inbred retard.


Nobody touches Jordan. That channel is the definition of autism. I wouldn't be surprised if it's 3ball running it, judging by how mind-numbingly idiotic those videos as.

Again, from Kobe's own coach (who's arguably the GOAT coach):

[72-10]

You just showed it right there bro. You think D starts with chase down blocks. Bye. :roll:

What? Chase down blocks aren't easy at all, and LeBron's great at them, but let's be real, anyone who's the taller player is going to be better at chase down blocks expect for extenuating circumstances like unusual armspans or verticals or 40m times.

[Mr Feeny]

Lebron was much better. I can't believe this is even a question.

[Micku]

Peak defensive Kobe is a better one on one defender than LBJ I think. Not that LBJ sucked, but Kobe I think did it better. Stick to you like glue. I would say post 06, you would see it a few times whenever he was motivated. He was kind'a overrated as defender then. Maybe except for 08.

LeBron is a better help defender and is more versatile. I would say he's peak was either 12 or 13. LeBron defense is more impactful imo. But if you need a straight up shut down this person from pg-sf, I would pick peak focus Kobe over LeBron.


Since MJ is being brought up, I think he is better than both. LeBron is more versatile, but I think that's about it. MJ had more stamina. Sometimes he would guard the best player the whole game. LeBron would do it spurts, Kobe too. Again, that's sometimes. He didn't, from the games that I saw, do it all the time. But if he had to, he will. Probably wanted to. Switch between Pippen or Harper later on.

But he, like Pippen, would full court pressure you. Pippen would be physical, but MJ was quicker. He's really the only player that I seen that sort'a gambles in the passing lane, but is quick enough to get back in position. Like he got the spacing mastered. But I think MJ is a better one on one and great help defender. The amount of steals and blocks in his peak was crazy. Dude lead the league in stls and scoring like three times. While stls and blks isn't a great way to show how someone defensive capability, it's still something.

But yeah. Imo, LeBron is more of a impactful defensive player than Kobe. Better help and versatile. Kobe is a better one on one defender I think.

[scm5]

Who do you want guarding the player with the ball, game on the line, up 1, 15 seconds left on the clock?

[stalkerforlife]

Remember when Kobe decided to be the defensive leader on the Olympic team?

Sacrificed tons of energy to make sure he defended the best opposing player.

Bu but bu BUT he had a worse FG%.

[paksat]

Was watching gilbert arenas highlights earlier and came across this gem

3:10.. watch lebron back up and barely put a hand up as a much much smaller guard came right at him with the game on the line

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1ZWjOQu268

he doesn't play defense.. STOP

kudos to dawkins at the very end making it so you can't see lebron's travel as well, bron stans need that kind of help ( yes it was a bad bad travel ).

[scm5]

Remember when Kobe decided to be the defensive leader on the Olympic team?

Sacrificed tons of energy to make sure he defended the best opposing player.

Bu but bu BUT he had a worse FG%.

I think Barbosa was the tourney leader in scoring, averaging something like 28ppg and then he came up against Kobe and scored something like 4 points.

[TheCalmInsanity]

Kobe BY FAR... though he did have times where he didnt care. When he did want to lock someone up though, he was incredible

[superduper]

I think Barbosa was the tourney leader in scoring, averaging something like 28ppg and then he came up against Kobe and scored something like 4 points.

Hide this from the Bran stans ASAP they might literally kill themselves

[scuzzy]

Both incredible when they cared


Both incredibly lax when they didn't


Two players who when forced to carry the offensive load, tend to turn down their attention on D.


Give me prime LBJ anyday just for fact he can body up 1-5

[72-10]

Who do you want guarding the player with the ball, game on the line, up 1, 15 seconds left on the clock?

Kobe. The problem is Kobe got away with a lot on defense, and he hacked. He's the better defender, though, that's no doubt.

[Vino24]

16-6

LeBron by a landslide

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Kobe better on ball, LeBron better team defender. I value team defense more. LeBron also plays the more valuable defensive position.

[Mr Feeny]

Both incredible when they cared


Both incredibly lax when they didn't


Two players who when forced to carry the offensive load, tend to turn down their attention on D.


Give me prime LBJ anyday just for fact he can body up 1-5

He can't. Rondo torched him when they put him on Rondo in the 2012 ECF. As did Hibbert (a scrub) when Riley put Lebron on him in stretches in 2013 and 2014.

Any player can switch on any other player for a short stretch and do a less than stellar job. It doesn't mean that the defensive player in that situation can "body up 1-5".

[Mr Feeny]

Was watching gilbert arenas highlights earlier and came across this gem

3:10.. watch lebron back up and barely put a hand up as a much much smaller guard came right at him with the game on the line

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1ZWjOQu268

he doesn't play defense.. STOP

kudos to dawkins at the very end making it so you can't see lebron's travel as well, bron stans need that kind of help ( yes it was a bad bad travel ).

Lebron's lateral movement isnt as quick as most guards because he's bigger. His best strategy is to let Arenas shoot in that situation rather than have him blow past him.

[paksat]

Lebron's lateral movement isnt as quick as most guards because he's bigger. His best strategy is to let Arenas shoot in that situation rather than have him blow past him.

just like KD and iggy?

[sportjames23]

16-6

LeBron by a landslide


5/7 vs 3/9

Kobe in a blowout

[Gileraracer]

Lebron is probably the most overrated defender of all time. Some fancy chase down blocks avery 30 games don't make you a great defender, especially if you do absolutely nothing on that end 50% of the time to preserve energy for stats :no:

[Dr Hawk]

On a stat sheet, Lebron.

On the basketball court, Kobe.

[Mr Feeny]

just like KD and iggy?

He can't stop Durant. But when has he defended Iggy that way?

[Duncan21formvp]

Kobe for sure. Lebron has had guys at his position who has outscored him in playoff series and guys who won finals mvp over him the last 5 years or so. So his defense can't be that good.

[SouBeachTalents]

5/7 vs 3/9

Kobe in a blowout
8/8 vs 6/6

Havlicek in a blowout

[superduper]

8/8 vs 6/6

Havlicek in a blowout

FMVP?

[SouBeachTalents]

FMVP?
Why don't you ask sportjames that too :lol

[aj1987]

Bring up all the quotes you like.

But there's loads of videos proving just how bad your boy has been.

And on the biggest stage.
Keep being as delusional as you want.

But there's loads of evidence which proves just how bad your boy was.

And on the biggest stage.

15 PPG on 36% shooting with WOAT defense.

:cheers: :cheers:

[Bosnian Sajo]

Why is Kobe in the same sentence as Lebron as a defender?:oldlol:
Lebron at his peak was the best perimeter defender on the planet. Kobe on his best day couldn't even come close to Lebron as a defender:roll:


50-33

[RRR3]

50-33
Any other basketball board and LeBron wins the poll easily and you know it.

[superduper]

Is this a troll thread?

The answer is obviously Kobe.

Chasedown blocks and defending soft centers like Gasol and Splitter aren't all time great defense.

[kawhileonard2]

Kobe for sure. Made more 1st teams in less seasons.

[Sarcastic]

https://media.giphy.com/media/1BGPLg0KIG7zpIwLQc/giphy.gif

[FKAri]

Kobe was the better man defender. Lebron was the much better help defender. So overall, Lebron.

[kawhileonard2]

Kobe was the better man defender. Lebron was the much better help defender. So overall, Lebron.

Help defense in a league with no elite bigs isn't the same.