What was Scottie Pippen in the 90's?Cast your vote

[Im so nba'd out]

His 10 NBA All-Defensive honors and 8 NBA All-Defensive First Team honors are one shy of the NBA record.
Six-time NBA Champion


I voted that he was a top 5 player in his era.Mvp candidate the year witout Jordan.Carried his team to a 50+ win record.All Star MVP in "the good ole days"

[fourkicks44]

Hmm tough one.

He fell off pretty quick in the late 90's.

If you only count the Bulls Championship era and exclude centers then you could possibly sneak him into the top 5.

[andgar923]

Top 5 player?:roll:

[brownmamba00]

What is a jordanire

[bullettooth]

Neither.

[Real14]

Top 15

[TheMan]

I don't know about Top 5 during the whole of the 90s...

I would definitely put Pip behind MJ, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Shaq, Hakeem Olajuwon, Zo Mourning, Gary Payton just off the top of my head. Peak maybe has an argument just outside of top 5ish but the whole of the 90s? No.We're talking now about including players who came into the league in the mid 90s like Kevin Garnett, Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill etc...

[3ball]

Skip Bayless, who covered those Bulls, said Pippen wasn't a top 10 player

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OOxz_Qgdke4&t=07m51s

[3ball]

1. MJ
2. Hakeem
3. Shaq
4. Robinson
5. Malone
6. Barkley
7. Ewing


Pippen wasn't better than any of these guys at any point in the 90's.. :confusedshrug:

Other guys like Penny, Hill, Payton, Drexler, Derrick Coleman, Vin Baker, Kemp and MANY more were better for various stretches

[jstern]

He was underrated in the 90s, since he was a sidekick. Overrated now because his name in association with Jordan outshines pretty much every other star from the 90s. And he's propped up a lot by those trying to diminish Jordan's legacy, where what they say about what they didn't see becomes reality in their mind. (There was even a thread once about Pippen being the 2nd greatest player of the 90s.)

A 13 year old now will know who Scottie Pippen is, and maybe know who Hakeem Olajuwon is. Would probably not know who Ewing was, or even Anfernee Hardaway.

[Im so nba'd out]

What is a jordanire
Jordanaire left out the A

[Duncan21formvp]

1. MJ
2. Hakeem
3. Shaq
4. Robinson
5. Malone
6. Barkley
7. Ewing


Pippen wasn't better than any of these guys at any point in the 90's.. :confusedshrug:

Other guys like Penny, Hill, Payton, Drexler, Derrick Coleman, Vin Baker, Kemp and MANY more were better for various stretches
Wasn't better than Drexler nor Stockton nor Payton either.

[NBAGOAT]

Top 10 overall safely I think and also top 10 most years from 91-98. Might not be for a few but I

[3ball]

Wasn't better than Drexler nor Stockton nor Payton either.
True.. I left off a lot of guys.. hard to think of that many off the dome

[baudkarma]

Skip Bayless, who covered those Bulls, said Pippen wasn't a top 10 player

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OOxz_Qgdke4&t=07m51s

Skip says a lot of stupid things.

Pippen was... somewhere between the two choices? Not a top 5 player in the 90's, but certainly better than a role player. He would have been the best player on most teams during that era.

[3ball]

Top 10 overall safely I think and also top 10 most years from 91-98. Might not be for a few but I’m not sure for now. Feel pretty safe about mj, Hakeem, drob, Barkley, Malone, Ewing over him. Say yes to shaq to even if he came in 93. Then maybe on Stockton.

Lean no on Alonzo/Payton/kemp/drexler because they weren’t great the whole decade and aren’t nearly as good as shaq. Pippen dropped off after 98 too tbf but he was just higher most years
Pippen was shit in 90' and 96-98' (17 on 40.8% shooting in 96-98' PO... 15 on 34% in 96' Finals)

A lot more than just those 7 guys were better than him - I only listed those 7 to show that he wasn't top 5 like AD or Kawhi

The full list of guys better than 90's Pippen is pretty long, and I don't have the energy to do it right now, especially after tracking MJ's time of possession from Game 1 of the 91' Finals in the other thread (36/8/12 in 6 minutes - lebron needs 11-12 minutes to get those numbers)

[NBAGOAT]

Pippen was shit in 90' and 96-98' (17 on 40.8% shooting in 96-98' PO... 15 on 34% in 96' Finals)

A lot more than just those 7 guys were better than him - I only listed those 7 to show that he wasn't top 5 like AD or Kawhi

The full list of guys better than 90's Pippen is pretty long, and I don't have the energy to do it right now, especially after tracking MJ's time of possession from Game 1 of the 91' Finals in the other thread (36/8/12 in 6 minutes - lebron needs 11-12 minutes to get those numbers)

Ok I

[GimmeThat]

the Not Rick Barry, because players lacked the stamina to run the offense at the 3 he did.

[Im so nba'd out]

So if we all agree Pippen was not a role player, then why in the hell does it have 7 votes :oldlol:


Why not just idk not vote, if thats the case?Just couldnt help yourselves huh :oldlol:

had to prop your boy up

[3ball]

Ok I’ll wait for that full list just for one year like 97. I’m guessing you can’t reasonably get past 10. And no Derrick Coleman at least was never better than pippen. I expect you to provide some documentation for the time of possession too lol. No reason to trust you
S KEMP 1996 RS: 19.6 ppg.. 11.4 rpg.. 2.1 apg.. 1.2 spg.. 1.6 bpg.. 56.1 fg.. 63.1 ts
PIPPEN 1996 RS: 19.4 pts.... 6.4 rpg.. 5.9 apg.. 1.7 spg.. 0.7 bpg.. 46.3 fg.. 55.1 ts

S KEMP 1996 PO: 20.9 ppg.. 10.4 rpg.. 1.5 apg.. 1.4 spg.. 2.0 bpg.. 57.0 fg.. 64.0 ts
PIPPEN 1996 PO: 16.9 pts.... 8.5 rpg.. 5.9 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 0.9 bpg.. 39.0 fg.. 47.3 ts

S KEMP 1996 FINALS: 23.3 ppg.. 10.0 rpg.. 2.2 apg.. 1.3 spg.. 2.0 bpg.. 55.1 fg.. 63.3 ts
PIPPEN 1996 FINALS: 15.7 pts.... 8.2 rpg.. 5.3 apg.. 2.3 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 34.3 fg.. 42.9 ts


Kemp and Webber were better than 97' Pippen.. Vin Baker... Tons of guys.. Penny, Grant Hill, Hakeem, Ewing, 97' Sprewell was better... Payton.. Stockton.. Malone..

There's 10.... And think about what you're saying - MJ won the 97' ring with a borderline top 10 player and old rodman averaging 4/8 in the playoffs .... That's goat.. :confusedshrug:..

MJ had 2 game-winners in the 97' Finals and the series-winning assist.. every championship MJ won was like an 11' Dirk, 06' Wade, 19' Kawhi level or better

Btw, Derrick Coleman was a far superior raw talent to pippen.. not close tbh.. a beast - a rich man's DeMarcus Cousins before Coleman fell off from laziness.. way better than pippen

[NBAGOAT]

S KEMP 1996 RS: 19.6 ppg.. 11.4 rpg.. 2.1 apg.. 1.2 spg.. 1.6 bpg.. 56.1 fg.. 63.1 ts
PIPPEN 1996 RS: 19.4 pts.... 6.4 rpg.. 5.9 apg.. 1.7 spg.. 0.7 bpg.. 46.3 fg.. 55.1 ts

S KEMP 1996 PO: 20.9 ppg.. 10.4 rpg.. 1.5 apg.. 1.4 spg.. 2.0 bpg.. 57.0 fg.. 64.0 ts
PIPPEN 1996 PO: 16.9 pts.... 8.5 rpg.. 5.9 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 0.9 bpg.. 39.0 fg.. 47.3 ts

S KEMP 1996 FINALS: 23.3 ppg.. 10.0 rpg.. 2.2 apg.. 1.3 spg.. 2.0 bpg.. 55.1 fg.. 63.3 ts
PIPPEN 1996 FINALS: 15.7 pts.... 8.2 rpg.. 5.3 apg.. 2.3 spg.. 1.3 bpg.. 34.3 fg.. 42.9 ts


Kemp and Webber were better than 97' Pippen.. Vin Baker... Tons of guys.. Penny, Grant Hill, Hakeem, Ewing, 97' Sprewell was better... Payton.. Stockton.. Malone..

There's 10.... And think about what you're saying - MJ won the 97' ring with a borderline top 10 player and old rodman averaging 4/8 in the playoffs .... That's goat.. :confusedshrug:..

MJ had 2 game-winners in the 97' Finals and the series-winning assist.. every championship MJ won was like an 11' Dirk, 06' Wade, 19' Kawhi level or better

Btw, Derrick Coleman was a far superior raw talent to pippen.. not close tbh.. a beast - a rich man's DeMarcus Cousins before Coleman fell off from laziness.. way better than pippen

rich man's cousins is laughable, cousins was putting up insane volume stats last few years. Poor man's sure. I'm not interested in discussing mj in this thread, it's about pippen.

I dont have a big problem taking kemp or payton over pippen in 96 or 97 but webber and vin baker? Yea i say no, continue to undervalue defense. Penny played 59 games and wasnt as good as he was in 96, i'm not taking him. I would add in shaq however

So it's mj, malone, shaq, payton, kemp, stockton, grant hill, hakeem, ewing. still not ten unless you wanna throw in sprewell, hardaway, and mourning but that's stretching. lot of the top 8 are debatable with ewing past his prime and kemp, payton, stockton types to debate over.

The only clear ones imo are mj, malone, hakeem, hill and maybe shaq(the missed games again hurt). I think the majority of votes for 97 poy vote on realgm even had pippen top 5. I'm not as bearish as they are but it's certainly reasonable to debare. https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1013855&start=40

The only point I'll address that has to do with mj is you say he won with a borderline top 10 player and then say every one of his titles was like 11 mavs, 06 heat, and 19 raptors. That may be true because supporting casts are more than just your 2nd and 3rd guy but what you were implying is wrong. There is no supporting player on the 11 mavs or 19 raptors who even deserves consideration for top 10 lol

[Round Mound]

None of the above. He was a top 10 player from 91-98

1-MJ
2-Hakeem
3-Barkley
4-Malone
5-Robinson
6-Shaq
7-Ewing
8-Drexler
9-Pippen
10-Stockton/Payton

Then yoy got guys like, Hill, Penny, Kidd, Richmond, Kemp, Mourning etc

[Manny98]

MJ
Hakeem
Admiral
Barkley
Malone

Pippen at 6th

[Elosha]

Neither.

This. Poor poll choices.

[Jasper]

I don't know about Top 5 during the whole of the 90s...

I would definitely put Pip behind MJ, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Shaq, Hakeem Olajuwon, Zo Mourning, Gary Payton just off the top of my head. Peak maybe has an argument just outside of top 5ish but the whole of the 90s? No.We're talking now about including players who came into the league in the mid 90s like Kevin Garnett, Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill etc...
looks lik 6 to me.
And even at that time amount of rings was relevant

[TheMan]

So if we all agree Pippen was not a role player, then why in the hell does it have 7 votes :oldlol:


Why not just idk not vote, if thats the case?Just couldnt help yourselves huh :oldlol:

had to prop your boy up
I didn't vote because neither of the options describe Pippen IMO.

Peak Pippen probably is scratching top 8 and that's not even a sure thing, but he definitely was no role player as some would try to have you believe. He's a perfect compliment to mega Alpha dog Jordan but I don't think he could lead a team to the playoffs consistently, yeah 1994 to me was an outlier, not the norm for a Pippen led team, again in my opinion.

[TheMan]

looks lik 6 to me.
And even at that time amount of rings was relevant
There is no way Pippen Is better than David Robinson nor Patrick Ewing, lol Gary Payton led his team to the Finals, so I give him the edge overall in the 90s as a better ball player than Pippen.

[97 bulls]

There is no way Pippen Is better than David Robinson nor Patrick Ewing, lol Gary Payton led his team to the Finals, so I give him the edge overall in the 90s as a better ball player than Pippen.
I'd put Pippen at 6. I dont see how Payton should be ranked higher than Pip.

[sdot_thadon]

He was top 10 during his prime years. The confusion stems from the matter of Pippen being capable of top 5 level play, but on an inconsistent basis. These lists of guys i see that are "ahead" of Scottie consist of guys who are the lone star on their teams and have full reign of the shot attempts etc. Not many if any at all have 2nd options capable on any given night of scoring 30 or 40, or notching triple double, etc. Scottie was absolutely elite in his own right. It's laughable to see the whole "he's a role player" trash here.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Jordan
Hakeem
Barkley
D-Rob
Shaq
Ewing
Drexler
Malone

He

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Neither.
this.

Why are we given 2 obviously wrong options (besides OP being an idiot)?

It's like asking "is your wife more like Laotian immigrant working an illegal job or an 8 y/o Guatemalan kid learning to read?" :wtf:

[SpaceJam2]

His 10 NBA All-Defensive honors and 8 NBA All-Defensive First Team honors are one shy of the NBA record.
Six-time NBA Champion


I voted that he was a top 5 player in his era.Mvp candidate the year witout Jordan.Carried his team to a 50+ win record.All Star MVP in "the good ole days"

:applause:

[Carbine]

He's better than Ewing.

Pippen is the prototype #2 best player on a dynasty level team.

I'd rather role with him as the best player on my team instead of Barkley, for example, because they will produce similar level of results as "the man" but Pippen can blend into any situation because of his maybe best ever defense on the perimeter and passing ability. He was a master of the little things that box scores don't include and you don't need the ball to produce.

Barkley needed the ball to showcase his talents as he was probably an average to negative defender.

[SpaceJam2]

He's better than Ewing.

Pippen is the prototype #2 best player on a dynasty level team.

I'd rather role with him as the best player on my team instead of Barkley, for example, because they will produce similar level of results as "the man" but Pippen can blend into any situation because of his maybe best ever defense on the perimeter and passing ability. He was a master of the little things that box scores don't include and you don't need the ball to produce.

Barkley needed the ball to showcase his talents as he was probably an average to negative defender.


High IQ post

Thank you for your contribution my G :cheers:

[ImKobe]

Pippen top 5 of his era?

Jordan
Hakeem
Charles
Shaq
Robinson
Malone
Drexler


are all better in that same decade without a doubt, there are a few others you could make great arguments for as well. He's borderline top 10 for his era and that's only because he had to luxury of playing with Jordan. Put Ewing and MJ together and everyone would be arguing that Ewing's better than Shaq and Hakeem due to 6 rings.

[97 bulls]

He's better than Ewing.

Pippen is the prototype #2 best player on a dynasty level team.

I'd rather role with him as the best player on my team instead of Barkley, for example, because they will produce similar level of results as "the man" but Pippen can blend into any situation because of his maybe best ever defense on the perimeter and passing ability. He was a master of the little things that box scores don't include and you don't need the ball to produce.

Barkley needed the ball to showcase his talents as he was probably an average to negative defender.
FACTS!!!!!

[And1AllDay]

He's better than Ewing.

Pippen is the prototype #2 best player on a dynasty level team.

I'd rather role with him as the best player on my team instead of Barkley, for example, because they will produce similar level of results as "the man" but Pippen can blend into any situation because of his maybe best ever defense on the perimeter and passing ability. He was a master of the little things that box scores don't include and you don't need the ball to produce.

Barkley needed the ball to showcase his talents as he was probably an average to negative defender.

:rockon: :rockon:

[Round Mound]

Pippen is underrated but to say he was better than Barkley is insane...:rolleyes: :facepalm :confusedshrug: :no:

[Marchesk]

Pippen is underrated but to say he was better than Barkley is insane...:rolleyes: :facepalm :confusedshrug: :no:

Sure but Pippen is a better fit with Jordan.

A top 5 fits for Jordan in the 90s might have been a better poll. I guess Hakeem would still be #1.

[97 bulls]

Pippen is underrated but to say he was better than Barkley is insane...:rolleyes: :facepalm :confusedshrug: :no:
I wouldn't pick Barkley over Pippen. We've seen what Barkley could do. He was a great talent, but extremely lazy. Which is why he never won.

[Gunslinger]

Pippen is closer to a top 5 player in the 90's than he is to being a role-player, this much is obvious.

[Vino24]

the poll has spoken :applause:

[elementally morale]

Top 10ish in the 90's. Not a role player and not top 5 either. Closer to top 5 than role player. You can argue top 8-12.