Which Finals does LeBron win getting 28ppg on 43% FG with 3 assists and 4ppg 4th qt?

[Gus Hemmingway]

Basically 2019 Kawhi's FMVP stats?

Which Finals does LeBron win with that?

[Vino24]

Basically 2019 Kawhi's FMVP stats?

Which Finals does LeBron win with that?
2011 finals

[And1AllDay]

none

[SomeBlackDude]

2007 and 2011.

even doe bronny was humiliated by a geriatric bruce bowen and held to one of hollinger's top 5 worst finals performances ever (https://www.espn.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-Worst), the cavs only lost game 3 and 4 by a combined 4 points. bronny had 25 ppg on 36% shooting those games. 28 on 43%, they win and it's a completely different series.

same idea in '11- bronny got outscored by jason terry coming off the bench, everyone and their grandma knows this by now... but the miami superteam lost game 2 and 4 by a combined 5 points. if prime lechoke gives his team 35 year old jordan production against a 73 year old jason kidd guarding him, they win those games and the series in a sweep.

that would bring lefinals record to 5/9, matching magic johnson.

hope that clears things up. :cheers:

[And1AllDay]

2007 and 2011.

even doe bronny was humiliated by a geriatric bruce bowen and held to one of hollinger's top 5 worst finals performances ever (https://www.espn.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-Worst), the cavs only lost game 3 and 4 by a combined 4 points. bronny had 25 ppg on 36% shooting those games. 28 on 43%, they win and it's a completely different series.

same idea in '11- bronny got outscored by jason terry coming off the bench, everyone and their grandma knows this by now... but the miami superteam lost game 2 and 4 by a combined 5 points. if prime lechoke gives his team 35 year old jordan production against a 73 year old jason kidd guarding him, they win those games and the series in a sweep.

that would bring lefinals record to 5/9, matching magic johnson.

hope that clears things up. :cheers:


mike won with 27 on 41%

bye

[SomeBlackDude]

mike won with 27 on 41%

bye

*and played defense.

defense wins championships.

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hi.

[ClipperRevival]

*and played defense.

defense wins championships.

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hi.

Well, that's a wrap boys.

[And1AllDay]

*and played defense.

defense wins championships.

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hi.

mikes a terrible defender

96 finals, mike 107 drtg
16 finals, bron 101 drtg

next

[And1AllDay]

mike won with 27 on 41% and 107 drtg

anyone

[PWB15]

mikes a terrible defender

96 finals, mike 107 drtg
16 finals, bron 101 drtg

next


Mike never bailed on his teammates after FAILURE in the playoffs


NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rockon:

[Vino24]

Mike never bailed on his teammates after FAILURE in the playoffs


NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rockon:
He did bail on his teammates for two years

[SomeBlackDude]

mikes a terrible defender

96 finals, mike 107 drtg
16 finals, bron 101 drtg


boiled down:

'96 sonics
reg season: 104.5 pts/gm (#2 in nba); 110.3 ortg (#8 in nba)
finals vs bulls: 89.2 pts/gm (-15.3 pts/gm); 106.7 ortg

'97 jazz
reg season: 103.1 pts/gm (#2 in nba); 113.6 ortg (#2 in nba)
finals: 87.2 pts/gm (-15.9 pts/gm); 103.8 ortg

'98 jazz
reg season: 101 pts/gm (#1 in nba) 112.7 ortg (#1 in the nba)
finals: 80 pts/gm (-21 pts/gm); 96.1 ortg


vs


'15 warriors
reg season: 110 pts/gm (#1 in nba); 111.6 ortg (#2 in nba)
finals vs cavs: 100.7 pts/gm (-9.3 pts/gm); 107.3 ortg

'17 warriors
reg season: 115.1 pts/gm (#1 in nba); 115.6 ortg (#1 in nba)
finals vs cavs: 121.6 pts/gm (+6.5 pts/gm); 121.3 ortg :facepalm

'18 warriors*
reg season: 113.5 pts/gm (#1 in nba); 113.6 ortg (#3 in nba)
finals vs cavs: 116 pts/gm (+2.6 pts/gm);124.6 ortg :facepalm


*Statistically, we just saw the most lopsided NBA Finals ever. The Warriors swept the series while outscoring the Cavaliers by a combined 60 points, the largest Finals margin of victory ever.


2018 finals
dubs- 116 ppg
lescrubs- 101 ppg
-15 margin is largest in nba finals history

melted down:

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vs

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next

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[And1AllDay]

i say again mikes a terrible defender

96 finals, mike 107 drtg
16 finals, bron 101 drtg

next

[ClipperRevival]

boiled down:

'96 sonics
reg season: 104.5 pts/gm (#2 in nba); 110.3 ortg (#8 in nba)
finals vs bulls: 89.2 pts/gm (-15.3 pts/gm); 106.7 ortg

'97 jazz
reg season: 103.1 pts/gm (#2 in nba); 113.6 ortg (#2 in nba)
finals: 87.2 pts/gm (-15.9 pts/gm); 103.8 ortg

'98 jazz
reg season: 101 pts/gm (#1 in nba) 112.7 ortg (#1 in the nba)
finals: 80 pts/gm (-21 pts/gm); 96.1 ortg


vs


'15 warriors
reg season: 110 pts/gm (#1 in nba); 111.6 ortg (#2 in nba)
finals vs cavs: 100.7 pts/gm (-9.3 pts/gm); 107.3 ortg

'17 warriors
reg season: 115.1 pts/gm (#1 in nba); 115.6 ortg (#1 in nba)
finals vs cavs: 121.6 pts/gm (+6.5 pts/gm); 121.3 ortg :facepalm

'18 warriors*
reg season: 113.5 pts/gm (#1 in nba); 113.6 ortg (#3 in nba)
finals vs cavs: 116 pts/gm (+2.6 pts/gm);124.6 ortg :facepalm





melted down:

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vs

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So MJ dramatically reduced his opponents offensive output come finals time while LeBron did the opposite. Wow.

[PWB15]

He did bail on his teammates for two years

AFTER SUCCESS:banana:

[warriorfan]

boiled down:

'96 sonics
reg season: 104.5 pts/gm (#2 in nba); 110.3 ortg (#8 in nba)
finals vs bulls: 89.2 pts/gm (-15.3 pts/gm); 106.7 ortg

'97 jazz
reg season: 103.1 pts/gm (#2 in nba); 113.6 ortg (#2 in nba)
finals: 87.2 pts/gm (-15.9 pts/gm); 103.8 ortg

'98 jazz
reg season: 101 pts/gm (#1 in nba) 112.7 ortg (#1 in the nba)
finals: 80 pts/gm (-21 pts/gm); 96.1 ortg


vs


'15 warriors
reg season: 110 pts/gm (#1 in nba); 111.6 ortg (#2 in nba)
finals vs cavs: 100.7 pts/gm (-9.3 pts/gm); 107.3 ortg

'17 warriors
reg season: 115.1 pts/gm (#1 in nba); 115.6 ortg (#1 in nba)
finals vs cavs: 121.6 pts/gm (+6.5 pts/gm); 121.3 ortg :facepalm

'18 warriors*
reg season: 113.5 pts/gm (#1 in nba); 113.6 ortg (#3 in nba)
finals vs cavs: 116 pts/gm (+2.6 pts/gm);124.6 ortg :facepalm





melted down:

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vs

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https://media2.giphy.com/media/W3elPX6v2bqMg/giphy.gif

Statistics confirm what eye test has been telling us

This discussion is over.

[And1AllDay]

i say again mikes a terrible defender

96 finals, mike 107 drtg
16 finals, bron 101 drtg

next


open for business step right up dont be shook

[3ball]

What Finals did Lebron let his teammates make all the plays to maximize their role and production, and only step in when it was needed?

^^ timely scoring and 4-7 apg is how all the best championship runs were executed (11' Dirk, 06' Wade, 19' Kawhi, KD, MJ, Kobe, Bird, Duncan)

This means guys like MJ sacrificed PPG and apg to fit into a system

When did Lebron sacrifice his own stats and score in a timely way, versus blind stat accumulation that marginalizes teammates?

[SomeBlackDude]

open for business step right up dont be shook

not pointing to you specifically but... only an absolute moron would use individual drtg to compare players.

unless of course you want to explain to me how scottie pippen is a worse defender than manu ginobli, then i'm here for it.

career drtg
manu ginobli- 100.45 (41st best all time in nba history)
scottie pippen- 101.51 (61st best all time in nba history)

we're on your schedule here, bawse.

whenever you're ready.

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[Vino24]

AFTER SUCCESS:banana:
when there was finally a team to challenge him

[ClipperRevival]

not pointing to you specifically but... only an absolute moron would use individual drtg to compare players.

unless of course you want to explain to me how scottie pippen is a worse defender than manu ginobli, then i'm here for it.

career drtg
manu ginobli- 100.45 (41st best all time in nba history)
scottie pippen- 101.51 (61st best all time in nba history)

we're on your schedule here, bawse.

whenever you're ready.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-08-2019/9bZV2j.gif

Holy sh*t. SomeBlackDude got these boys on a leash. :roll:

[And1AllDay]

not pointing to you specifically but... only an absolute moron would use individual drtg to compare players.

unless of course you want to explain to me how scottie pippen is a worse defender than manu ginobli, then i'm here for it.

career drtg
manu ginobli- 100.45 (41st best all time in nba history)
scottie pippen- 101.51 (61st best all time in nba history)

we're on your schedule here, bawse.

whenever you're ready.

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you ready bb?

1st off, lets talk playoffs not regular season. nice try rookie

playoff drtg
manu 103
pip 102

dbpm drtg
manu 1.6
pip 3.5

nextttttttttttttttttt

[And1AllDay]

Holy sh*t. SomeBlackDude got these boys on a leash. :roll:

2ball meltdown

[And1AllDay]

not pointing to you specifically but... only an absolute moron would use individual drtg to compare players.

unless of course you want to explain to me how scottie pippen is a worse defender than manu ginobli, then i'm here for it.

career drtg
manu ginobli- 100.45 (41st best all time in nba history)
scottie pippen- 101.51 (61st best all time in nba history)

we're on your schedule here, bawse.

whenever you're ready.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-08-2019/9bZV2j.gif

i mean...i just...

imagine trying to prove a point using reg season stats
you know there in trouble when they do that :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

you ready bb?

1st off, lets talk playoffs not regular season. nice try rookie

playoff drtg
manu 103
pip 102

dbpm drtg
manu 1.6
pip 3.5

nextttttttttttttttttt

doors still open for business

96 finals, mike 107 drtg
16 finals, bron 101 drtg

next


step
right
up

[SomeBlackDude]

i mean...i just...

imagine trying to prove a point using reg season stats
you know there in trouble when they do that :oldlol:


1st off, lets talk playoffs not regular season. nice try rookie

playoff drtg
manu 103
pip 102

:lol

so drtg only counts in the playoffs now?

ok.

career playoffs drtg
greg ostertag- 100.1
lebron james- 102.36

let's see how you bullshit your way out of this one.

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[SomeBlackDude]

let's see how you bullshit your way out of this one.

c'mon now dawg. you can't let these posters see you tuck tail and run.

it's a simple question, really-

who was the greater defensive force in their playoff career? gregory donovan ostertag or lebron raymone james sr?

what do the $tats say? :confusedshrug:

the eye test?

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vs

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Holy sh*t. SomeBlackDude got these boys on a leash.

like a dog.

walked him like a goddamn dog into a trap of his own creation and now he can't get out.

now he's hiding under the porch, about to die alone.

like a dog.

wrap it up, boys.

we're done here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Upx39TBc1s).

:cheers:

[SouBeachTalents]

boiled down:

'96 sonics
reg season: 104.5 pts/gm (#2 in nba); 110.3 ortg (#8 in nba)
finals vs bulls: 89.2 pts/gm (-15.3 pts/gm); 106.7 ortg

'97 jazz
reg season: 103.1 pts/gm (#2 in nba); 113.6 ortg (#2 in nba)
finals: 87.2 pts/gm (-15.9 pts/gm); 103.8 ortg

'98 jazz
reg season: 101 pts/gm (#1 in nba) 112.7 ortg (#1 in the nba)
finals: 80 pts/gm (-21 pts/gm); 96.1 ortg


vs


'15 warriors
reg season: 110 pts/gm (#1 in nba); 111.6 ortg (#2 in nba)
finals vs cavs: 100.7 pts/gm (-9.3 pts/gm); 107.3 ortg

'17 warriors
reg season: 115.1 pts/gm (#1 in nba); 115.6 ortg (#1 in nba)
finals vs cavs: 121.6 pts/gm (+6.5 pts/gm); 121.3 ortg :facepalm

'18 warriors*
reg season: 113.5 pts/gm (#1 in nba); 113.6 ortg (#3 in nba)
finals vs cavs: 116 pts/gm (+2.6 pts/gm);124.6 ortg :facepalm





melted down:

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vs

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8617085/KD_dunk.0.gif



https://media2.giphy.com/media/W3elPX6v2bqMg/giphy.gif
Tbf though you can't compare those offenses to the Durant/Curry Warriors. Jordan with those Cavs teams, even if he plays better defense than LeBron ain't stopping them either

[SomeBlackDude]

Tbf though you can't compare those offenses to the Durant/Curry Warriors. Jordan with those Cavs teams, even if he plays better defense than LeBron ain't stopping them either

'18-'19 dubs
ppg: 117.7 (#2 in nba)
efg: .565 (#1 in nba)
ortg: 115.9 (#1 in nba)
pace: 100.9 (#10 in nba)

wcf vs portland (no kd)
ppg: 114.8
efg: .556
ortg: 116.4
pace: 96.1

finals vs toronto
ppg: 105.8
efg: .525
ortg: 110.1
pace: 96.1

defense.

wins.

championships.

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[Bawkish]

:lol

so drtg only counts in the playoffs now?

ok.

career playoffs drtg
greg ostertag- 100.1
lebron james- 102.36

let's see how you bullshit your way out of this one.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/sDOhzJBsFvjMY/giphy.gif


:lol :lol :lol

bodybagged

[SpaceJam2]

:lol

so drtg only counts in the playoffs now?

ok.

career playoffs drtg
greg ostertag- 100.1
lebron james- 102.36

let's see how you bullshit your way out of this one.

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I've come to determine that the more you post the more I realize you truly don't know shit or you're a troll. DRtg is a good defensive metric for perimeter players, not centers.

But you probably didn't know that because you don't know much to begin with.

Thanks for playing.

[Bawkish]

I've come to determine that the more you post the more I realize you truly don't know shit or you're a troll. DRtg is a good defensive metric for perimeter players, not centers.

But you probably didn't know that because you don't know much to begin with.

Thanks for playing.

"b-b-b-but the stats says it all"

- every Bron stan in ISH

[SpaceJam2]

"b-b-b-but the stats says it all"

- every Bron stan in ISH


Try harder

[Bawkish]

Try harder

Bron stans are not capable of understanding context in everything they said

all they care about is STATS

[Mr Feeny]

I've come to determine that the more you post the more I realize you truly don't know shit or you're a troll. DRtg is a good defensive metric for perimeter players, not centers.

But you probably didn't know that because you don't know much to begin with.

Thanks for playing.

Got trapped using your own garbage and now are confused as to how to get out of it? Not surprised:lol

[Gileraracer]

The Lebron slurping army getting eaten alive in this thread i see :rockon:

[superduper]

It depends, did the stats in the OP come naturally within the flow of the offense while allowing your other teammates the freedom of player movement and ball movement and NOT monopolizing the offense so that you can maximize your individual stats?

Because if Bran ever had the mental capacity to play with that style then he might be more of a winner. Unfortunately he values empty negative impact padded individual stats while monopolizing every single offensive possession at the detriment of the team.

/thread

[SomeBlackDude]

DRtg is a good defensive metric for perimeter players, not centers.


you keep boxing yourself in.

real estate keeps getting smaller and smaller.

first dtrg was only good in the playoffs.

now it's only good for perimeter players.

career playoffs drtg for only perimeter players
scottie pippen- 102.09
charlie ward- 98.27
kerry kittles- 100.14
antoine 'shimmy' walker- 101.43

now- walk me through the case for charlie ward, kerry kittles, and toine being better all time defensive players than scottie pippen.

you should've stayed in your coffin.

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[Bawkish]

Bron stans avoiding this thread kinda like Magic didn't want to do anything with the Lakers :lol :lol

[GimmeThat]

From 1961-present, sub-50 win teams are 5-12 (0.294 win%) in the NBA Finals. The 5 sub-50 teams to win the NBA Finals in a 79+ game season are the 1969 Celtics, 1975 Warriors, 1977 Blazers, 1978 Bullets, and 1995 Rockets.