Lebron skipped team development, formed ready-made favorites 3 time, yet only 3 rings

[3ball]

in 17 years

That's pathetic for a so-called top 5 player

[superduper]

LeGOAT is literally irrelevant without allstars and known players from player spots 2 to 15. This has been proven by reality over and over and over and over again.

Le...GOAT :rockon:

[RealSkipBayless]

Why were you banned from realgm?

[Shogon]

Actually he gave the Cavs 7 years, they surrounded him mostly with dog shit, he kept getting judged solely on ring count by morons like OP and he said **** it I

[3ball]

Why were you banned from realgm?
You can't post things that reflect badly on lebron over there

So I got banned when I posted stats showing that lebron reduced teammates' role and turned them into play-finishers.. Specifically, lebron's teammates saw their assists crater alongside lebron (less playmaking), and their assisted rate went up (more play-finishing)

With teammates getting less assists and moving the ball less, the TEAM ranks low in assists/ball movement, and struggles on the championship level

These facts got me banned

[SouBeachTalents]

The Lakers were a ready-made favorite last year, ok bro :lol

And say what you want about the Cavs, hell even the Heat, it was LeBron who made them title favorites. Lol at thinking the Kyrie/Love Cavs would be considered title favorites

[superduper]

The Lakers were a ready-made favorite last year, ok bro :lol

And say what you want about the Cavs, hell even the Heat, it was LeBron who made them title favorites. Lol at thinking the Kyrie/Love Cavs would be considered title favorites

Which one player made the following team of misfits a title favorite?

Vujacic
Farmar
Adam Morrison
Shannon Brown
Josh Powell
Chris Mihm
Mbenga
Radmanovic
Sun Yue
Walton
Rookie Bynum
Lamar "What happened to him after Kobe again?" Odom
Ron "Beg naked Kobe in the shower" Artest
Pau "0-16" Gasol

[sdot_thadon]

Why were you banned from realgm90 times?
i fixed it for you.:oldlol:

[3ball]

Actually he gave the Cavs 7 years, they surrounded him mostly with dog shit, he kept getting judged solely on ring count by morons like OP and he said **** it I’ll do it myself.
Lebron only needed 28/8/7 to win 66 games in 2009

So his cast was better than MJ's cast in 1989, when 33/8/8 won 47 games, or 35/6/6/dpoy win 50 games in 1988.

And unlike the 80's, you didn't need a strong cast to make the Finals in the 00's East - Dwight, Lebron, Kidd and AI all made the Finals with weak casts, so Lebron's 60-win, 1 seeds should've been enough in 09/10

But even though a strong cast wasn't needed, Lebron couldn't make it in 09/10, so he stacked the deck from 11-18' to ensure Finals runs

you guys are simply liars for lebron - his weaker stats yielded way more wins, so his cast was better... Therefore, MJ's turned weaker casts into champions, while lebron skipped out on his stronger casts after carrying them less

[3ball]

The Lakers were a ready-made favorite last year, ok bro :lol

And say what you want about the Cavs, hell even the Heat, it was LeBron who made them title favorites. Lol at thinking the Kyrie/Love Cavs would be considered title favorites
How did lebron win 66 games with 28/8/7 and MJ only won 47 with 33/8/8?

We know MJ had the better brand because it thrived in the playoffs with upsets in every round and 6 games in ECF, while lebron's brand was exposed by the underdog Magic

[Gus Hemmingway]

How did lebron's win 66 games with 28/8/7 and MJ only won 47 with 33/8/8?

We know MJ had the better brand because it thrived in the playoffs with upsets in every round and 6 games in ECF, while lebron's brand was exposed by the underdog Magic

How did Jordan win in 1998 with 4 and 2?

Why did LeBron lose in 2017 with 12 and 10?

So Jordan had less impact on his teams success?

[DMAVS41]

Skipped team development?

He gave his first 7 years to the Cavs and they surrounded him with nothing even approaching the historical requirements to win titles.

Hate on Lebron for other things...and there is plenty for that...but dude lost 7 years of his career with pretty much no chance to win a title.

Maybe Jordan/Kareem/Wilt get you a title on the 09 or 10 Cavs...maybe...probably not though. Even the best of the best were near drawing dead to win for 7 years in his place.

That is a huge chunk of a career to just lose out on for winning titles.

[Shogon]

Lebron only needed 28/8/7 to win 66 games in 2009

So his cast was better than MJ's cast in 1989, when 33/8/8 won 47 games, or 35/6/6/dpoy win 50 games in 1988.

And unlike the 80's, you didn't need a strong cast to make the Finals in the 00's East - Dwight, Lebron, Kidd and AI all made the Finals with weak casts, so Lebron's 60-win, 1 seeds should've been enough in 09/10

But even though a strong cast wasn't needed, Lebron couldn't make it in 09/10, so he stacked the deck from 11-18' to ensure Finals runs

you guys are simply liars for lebron - his weaker stats yielded way more wins, so his cast was better... Therefore, MJ's turned weaker casts into champions, while lebron skipped out on his stronger casts after carrying them less

By his FOURTH YEAR IN THE LEAGUE, the Bulls had already added what would soon become an all time great second option in Scottie Pippen for Jordan.

So stop acting like Jordan climbed this unclimbable mountain of bad teammates.


You're not worth arguing with. You're arguing beliefs... and trolling. You're not arguing from a place of intellectual honesty, lol.

;)

[Gus Hemmingway]

Skipped team development?

He gave his first 7 years to the Cavs and they surrounded him with nothing even approaching the historical requirements to win titles.

Hate on Lebron for other things...and there is plenty for that...but dude lost 7 years of his career with pretty much no chance to win a title.

Maybe Jordan/Kareem/Wilt get you a title on the 09 or 10 Cavs...maybe...probably not though. Even the best of the best were near drawing dead to win for 7 years in his place.

That is a huge chunk of a career to just lose out on for winning titles.


What if you gave LeBron Westbrook

[3ball]

How did Jordan win in 1998 with 4 and 2?

Why did LeBron lose in 2017 with 12 and 10?

So Jordan had less impact on his teams success?
Jordan scored much better, and the scoreboard drives winning more than rebs and assists

[DMAVS41]

[QUOTE=Gus Hemmingway]What if you gave LeBron Westbrook

[Gus Hemmingway]

Jordan scored much better, and the scoreboard drives winning more than rebs and assists

Wrong


They both averaged the same 34ppg, except LeBron also shot 10% better :eek:

[AirTupac]

I don't know...6 titles probably, but not sure the point.

Lebron/Durant winning title after title isn't anything crazy given that you could plug in so many all-time greats and get crazy good results.


You lose all credibility when you say Bron 6 rings when he's had squads created throughout his whole career only to get 3. Idiot :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Gus Hemmingway]

You lose all credibility when you say Bron 6 rings when he's had squads created throughout his whole career only to get 3. Idiot :oldlol: :oldlol:

Squads that miss the playoffs and turn to garbage once he leaves, like the Lakers who went 6-12 without him last season :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

You lose all credibility when you say Bron 6 rings when he's had squads created throughout his whole career only to get 3. Idiot :oldlol: :oldlol:

So, rookie Lebron joins the Thunder in 09 and stays with them until present...

Who the **** is beating Durant/Lebron more than a few times in the next 10 years?

[3ball]

Skipped team development?

He gave his first 7 years to the Cavs and they surrounded him with nothing even approaching the historical requirements to win titles.




Dwight made the Finals with a weak cast, so Lebron has no excuse for missing the Finals

Furthermore, the Cavs surrounded him with enough help that 28/8/7 yielded 66 wins and the 1 seed - Giannis actually had to do more this year, yet was still expected to win the East easily... When he failed, people correctly knocked him his weaknesses that led to his upset loss, which infact, were similar to lebron's in 09/10

And again, neither Giannis nor Lebron had to carry the team like MJ - 33/8/8 only got 47 wins in 1989, or 19 less wins than lebron, and 15 less than Giannis.. and MJ only lost as the underdog because his skills were complete (unlike bron and giannis), so he would never lose/get exposed as the favorite

[3ball]

Wrong


They both averaged the same 34ppg, except LeBron also shot 10% better :eek:
Jordan scored a much higher proportion of his team's points (record burden) and dominated the clutch

Lebron only averaged 34 points in 90 and 100-paced series... :wtf: .. he should've averaged 40 easily... :rolleyes: :facepalm

So again, MJ scored much better, and the scoreboard drives winning more than rebs and assists

[3ball]

So, rookie Lebron joins the Thunder in 09 and stays with them until present...

Who the **** is beating Durant/Lebron more than a few times in the next 10 years?
Why does lebron need a borderline top 10 player to win?

Why not just Bosh, I mean Pau?... Or why not just Wade, I mean Pippen?

Why does lebron need so much more help?.. could it be that his ball-dominant style has weak teamwork, thus necessitating more talent to win?

[AirTupac]

So, rookie Lebron joins the Thunder in 09 and stays with them until present...

Who the **** is beating Durant/Lebron more than a few times in the next 10 years?

People said that about Miami and Warriors and they both lost. It happens. I dont know which team pops up to counter that duo but clearly LeBrons resume speaks for itself. We dont live in a hypothetical world.

[SpaceJam2]

Why were you banned from realgm?

:roll: :roll:


/thread

[SpaceJam2]

How did lebron win 66 games with 28/8/7 and MJ only won 47 with 33/8/8?

We know MJ had the better brand because it thrived in the playoffs with upsets in every round and 6 games in ECF, while lebron's brand was exposed by the underdog Magic

Dumb

How did MJ win all his rings with less $tats than LeBron

His cast was better AND his opponents were trash

Next

:dancin

[SpaceJam2]

Why does lebron need a borderline top 10 player to win?

Why not just Bosh, I mean Pau?... Or why not just Wade, I mean Pippen?

Why does lebron need so much more help?.. could it be that his ball-dominant style has weak teamwork, thus necessitating more talent to win?

Would he lose to weak 1-star teams like Blazers and Aids Magic?

Would he lose to Sonics who made rhe 2nd round once with Payton after :lol

Would he lose to literal #1 worst all time Finals 2nd option 10.7 ppg Hornacek?

[3ball]

Dumb

How did MJ win all his rings with less $tats than LeBron

His cast was better AND his opponents were trash

Next

:dancin

MJ is #1 in PPG and Efficiency Rating

That's the best scoring with the best efficiency.. :confusedshrug: .. can't beat that with a stick bruh

[Gus Hemmingway]

MJ is #1 in PPG and Efficiency Rating

That's the best scoring with the best efficiency.. :confusedshrug: .. can't beat that with a stick bruh

Yet his 4 rebounds and 2 assists was the worst combo of rebounds/assists from a FMVP EVER

[3ball]

Why were you banned from realgm?
Why do I get banned from Lebron-leaning message boards?.. :biggums:

How dumb are you?? Obviously, I destroy their hero... :rolleyes: .. they can't respond, so they ban.. it's communist

[DMAVS41]

People said that about Miami and Warriors and they both lost. It happens. I dont know which team pops up to counter that duo but clearly LeBrons resume speaks for itself. We dont live in a hypothetical world.

I was answering a hypothetical and you are speaking about a hypothetical.

:confusedshrug:

[DMAVS41]

Why does lebron need a borderline top 10 player to win?

Why not just Bosh, I mean Pau?... Or why not just Wade, I mean Pippen?

Why does lebron need so much more help?.. could it be that his ball-dominant style has weak teamwork, thus necessitating more talent to win?

I don't care to debate that as it is old hat by now and has nothing to do with my response.

Which was that maybe 2 or 3 players in history, if any, win even a single title with the kind of help Lebron had his first 7 years...and I'll assume you agree because you didn't respond to it.

[3ball]

Yet his 4 rebounds and 2 assists was the worst combo of rebounds/assists from a FMVP EVER
^^^ More than offset by mj scoring the biggest percentage of team points ever (burden), and best clutch ever

Again, scoring is the biggest driver of the scoreboard, not rebs or assists.. teams lose with less rebs or assists all the time, but never less scoring

[3ball]

I don't care to debate that as it is old hat by now and has nothing to do with my response.

Which was that maybe 2 or 3 players in history, if any, win even a single title with the kind of help Lebron had his first 7 years...and I'll assume you agree because you didn't respond to it.
Forget winning the Finals - we'll agree to disagree on that

But Lebron couldn't even make the Finals - and he didn't need a strong cast for that.. :confusedshrug:

^^^ You have no response for that...

And how could you???... his failure to make the Finals in a weak conference is why he started team-hopping!!!.. he didn't need a strong cast to win the East, but still stacked the deck to ensure Finals runs!... and yet you want to praise him for his Finals runs!!!... Face it - ur a shameless lebron protector and nut-hugger

[DMAVS41]

Forget winning the Finals - we'll agree to disagree on that

But Lebron couldn't even make the Finals - and he didn't need a strong cast for that.. :confusedshrug:

^^^ You have no response for that...

And how could you???... his failure to make the Finals in a weak conference is why he started team-hopping!!!.. he didn't need a strong cast to win the East, but still stacked the deck to ensure Finals runs!... and yet you want to praise him for his Finals runs!!!... Face it - ur a shameless lebron protector and nut-hugger

I have no response for what?

The teams Lebron had his first 7 years were historically garbage if the expectation is making the finals and winning titles.

Also, Lebron did make the finals during that time...

I know it is painful, but you are wrong and have been wrong on just about everything. Lebron is going to go down as a sure-fire top 5 player of all-time and I feel sorry for you because I know it legit negatively impacts your life.

:cheers:

[FKAri]

Every ring in the last God knows how many years was either taken or delivered by LeLord of the Rings. So they're ALL basically His rings. And need I remind you of His enormous, if only ornamental sexual organ? Incredible.

[3ball]

I have no response for what?

The teams Lebron had his first 7 years were historically garbage if the expectation is making the finals and winning titles.

Also, Lebron did make the finals during that time...

I know it is painful, but you are wrong and have been wrong on just about everything. Lebron is going to go down as a sure-fire top 5 player of all-time and I feel sorry for you because I know it legit negatively impacts your life.

:cheers:
Dwight Howard made the Finals with a weaker cast in 2009, so you have no case - lebron couldn't make the Finals with 60-win, 1 seeds in a weak conference, so he started stacking the deck

He only did what he was supposed to do in that weak conference 1 time - 2007 - but then he ceded even easier Finals runs (as the heavy favorite) to Dwight and the old Celtics in 10'

Otoh, MJ's 47-win bulls took the bad boy Pistons 6 games in 89' - he would've easily made the Finals in 09/10 with casts capable of getting 60-wins in that weak conference

Btw, you don't know what I'm trying to do.. maybe I'm just trying to get people off the "top 2" ranking, and get people to say "top 5".. like you just did
.

[Smoke117]

LeBron spent seven years on the Cavs waiting for some team development and it never happened. He wasn't gifted with a Pippen like Jordan was.

[DMAVS41]

Dwight Howard made the Finals with a weaker cast in 2009, so you have no case - lebron couldn't make the Finals with 60-win, 1 seeds in a weak conference, so he started stacking the deck

He did what he was supposed to do in the weak conference only 1 time - 2007 - but then he ceded even easier Finals runs (as the heavy favorite) to Dwight and the old Celtics in 10'

MJ's 47-win bulls took the bad boy Pistons 6 games in 89' - he would've easily made the Finals in 09/10 with casts capable of getting 60-wins in that weak conference

Btw, you don't know what I'm trying to do.. maybe I'm just trying to get people off the "top 2" ranking, and get people to say "top 5".. like you just did

Dwight's cast was not worse in 09...

Thought you retired...

[3ball]

He wasn't gifted with a Pippen like Jordan was

.
MJ was gifted Pippen for 9 years = 6 rings

Lebron was gifted Wade/Bosh and Kyrie/Love for 8 years = 3 rings


MJ >>>>






LeBron spent seven years on the Cavs waiting for some team development and it never happened.


Lebron didn't need team development because he was gifted a weak conference where everyone was making the Finals with weak casts

Think about the teams that won the East in the 80's - Celtics, Pistons, Sixers - all great teams.. Otoh, in the 2000's, everyone knew that AI's Sixers were a weak team and would get destroyed in the Finals - ditto Kidd's Nets, Lebron's Cavs, and Dwight's Magic

So Lebron was gifted a weak conference where a good cast wasn't needed to make the Finals.. Yet he couldn't make the Finals in 09/10, so he stacked the deck from 11-18' to ensure Finals runs

Now that Lebron's super-team tenure from 11-18' is over, the conference has resumed sending non-star casts to the Finals, i.e. Kawhi in 19'

Otoh, MJ only lost to the goat Celtics/Pistons and Shaq/Penny Magic - and his weak cast nearly beat the Pistons' in 89/90' - quite simply, MJ never lost to teams as weak as the 09 Magic, 10' Celtics, or 11' Mavs, and would've easily made those Finals, as Lebron's favored 1 seeds failed to do
.

[Mr Feeny]

You did say that you were retiring.

[3ball]

You did say that you were retiring.
Still failing the reading comp I see .

I said after today..

[LAmbruh]

yikes, OP retirement lasted a whole 5 minutes lolololololoolo :oldlol:

[Smoke117]

yikes, OP retirement lasted a whole 5 minutes lolololololoolo :oldlol:

All you have to do is insult MJ and OP will be right there making excuses for his star crossed lover.

[3ball]

I have no response for what?

The teams Lebron had his first 7 years were historically garbage if the expectation is making the finals and winning titles.


Who cares? Lebron was gifted a weak conference where everyone was making the Finals with weak casts

Think about the teams that won the East in the 80's - Celtics, Pistons, Sixers - all great teams.. Otoh, in the 2000's, everyone knew that AI's Sixers were a weak team and would get destroyed in the Finals - ditto Kidd's Nets, Lebron's Cavs, and Dwight's Magic

So Lebron was gifted a weak conference where a good cast wasn't needed to make the Finals.. Yet he couldn't make the Finals in 09/10, so he stacked the deck from 11-18' to ensure Finals runs

Now that Lebron's super-team tenure from 11-18' is over, the conference has resumed sending non-star casts to the Finals, i.e. Kawhi in 19'

Otoh, MJ only lost to the goat Celtics/Pistons and Shaq/Penny Magic - and his weak cast nearly beat the Pistons' in 89/90' - quite simply, MJ never lost to teams as weak as the 09 Magic, 10' Celtics, or 11' Mavs, and would've easily made those Finals, as Lebron's favored 1 seeds failed to do

[tpols]

So, rookie Lebron joins the Thunder in 09 and stays with them until present...

Who the **** is beating Durant/Lebron more than a few times in the next 10 years?


The exact same thing was said about wade and bosh...

Not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6... We already heard that bro.

They failed because of poor fit. And that Miami fit is way better than what it would be with Westbrook and the thunder lol. Of course the competition much higher as well. Losing argument... We seen it.

[tpols]

LeBron spent seven years on the Cavs waiting for some team development and it never happened. He wasn't gifted with a Pippen like Jordan was.


Larry Hughes.

Couldve been a tremendous butterfly effect on his career having jordan to motivate him.

[Hey Yo]

Larry Hughes.

Couldve been a tremendous butterfly effect on his career having jordan to motivate him.
LeBron was able to carry Hughes to the Finals..... MJ failed to do the same.

[3ball]

LeBron was able to carry Hughes to the Finals..... MJ failed to do the same.
No one got good alongside lebron that wasn't already good

Whereas Pippen, Grant, Kerr, Paxson, BJ, etc were nothing before MJ - they did infact improve alongside the goat

MJ developed teams and teamwork, while lebron doesn't (because it's hard to develop guys when your skillset turns them into spot-up shooters)

[DMAVS41]

The exact same thing was said about wade and bosh...

Not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6... We already heard that bro.

They failed because of poor fit. And that Miami fit is way better than what it would be with Westbrook and the thunder lol. Of course the competition much higher as well. Losing argument... We seen it.

Lebron and Durant aren't a poor fit...

And...Durant didn't fall off of a cliff in terms of production like Wade/Bosh did.

Oh, and the Heat made 4 finals and won 2 titles...and you are giving them 11 years together and you think a prime/peak Durant with the kind of help the Thunder had isn't winning a lot of titles?

Okay...

[3ball]

Lebron and Durant aren't a poor fit...

And...Durant didn't fall off of a cliff in terms of production like Wade/Bosh did.

Oh, and the Heat made 4 finals and won 2 titles...and you are giving them 11 years together and you think a prime/peak Durant with the kind of help the Thunder had isn't winning a lot of titles?

Okay...
Wade and Bosh > Durant

Ditto Kyrie/Love

Lebron had Wade/Bosh and Kyrie/Love for 8 years but only has 3 rings to show for it.. otoh, MJ had Pip for 9 years and has 6 rings...

So MJ is the unbeatable player where you can say it's automatic if you "pair him with so-and-so", not lebron.. lebron's style just doesn't win like that..

The fact that you say Bosh/Wade saw their production decline - why would they?? Bosh was still young.. but the more lebron-ball became the system, the worse they became. Bosh couldn't be a 20-pt third option in bron-ball like Klay, worthy or parish could in their superior systems
.

[Hey Yo]

No one got good alongside lebron that wasn't already good

Whereas Pippen, Grant, Kerr, Paxson, BJ, etc were nothing before MJ - they did infact improve alongside the goat

MJ developed teams and teamwork, while lebron doesn't (because it's hard to develop guys when your skillset turns them into spot-up shooters)
Where did Pippen, Grant, BJ and Paxson play before playing with MJ so we can compare before and after stats. Got any highlights before they played with MJ?

The shorter 3pt line is what improved Kerr. He already said he wouldn't sniff the court in todays era.

[SouBeachTalents]

Wade and Bosh > Durant

Ditto Kyrie/Love

Lebron had Wade/Bosh and Kyrie/Love for 8 years but only has 3 rings to show for it.. otoh, MJ had Pip for 9 years and has 6 rings...

So MJ is the unbeatable player where you can say it's automatic if you "pair him with so-and-so", not lebron.. lebron's style just doesn't win like that..

The fact that you say Bosh/Wade saw their production decline - why would they?? Bosh was still young.. but the more lebron-ball became the system, the worse they became. Bosh couldn't be a 20-pt third option in bron-ball like Klay, worthy or parish could in their superior systems
.
He should've won 3 with Miami, but you're disingenuous about the Cavs

In 2015 Kyrie & Love missed nearly the entire Finals, so he obviously didn't have them then. He won in 2016, and then by any rationale measure went up against a clearly superior team in 2017. Then by 2018 Kyrie was gone

[Manny98]

"Retired doe" :roll:

[Smoke117]

Larry Hughes.

Couldve been a tremendous butterfly effect on his career having jordan to motivate him.

What about Larry Hughes? Scottie Pippen is considered a top 30 player of all time. Larry Hughes isn't even considered top 300...so why exactly did you bring him up? Also, so true. Jordan completely made Pippen. It wasn't like he was drafted 5th overall and had GM's like Jack McCloskey of the Pistons at the time furiously trying to trade up to draft him and calling him a future super star or anything. It's almost amusing how you never get tired of of spouting out your stupidly worthless opinions after all these years.

[Smoke117]

Where did Pippen, Grant, BJ and Paxson play before playing with MJ so we can compare before and after stats. Got any highlights before they played with MJ?

The shorter 3pt line is what improved Kerr. He already said he wouldn't sniff the court in todays era.

That legitimately has be the one of the stupidest takes by one of the biggest morons on the board. He basically said that players were nothing before they were drafted to the NBA...okay...yeah. This is beside the point that Jordan wasn't exactly lighting it on fire during his college career. He was James Worthy's sidekick at North Carolina.

[DMAVS41]

Wade and Bosh > Durant

Ditto Kyrie/Love

Lebron had Wade/Bosh and Kyrie/Love for 8 years but only has 3 rings to show for it.. otoh, MJ had Pip for 9 years and has 6 rings...

So MJ is the unbeatable player where you can say it's automatic if you "pair him with so-and-so", not lebron.. lebron's style just doesn't win like that..

The fact that you say Bosh/Wade saw their production decline - why would they?? Bosh was still young.. but the more lebron-ball became the system, the worse they became. Bosh couldn't be a 20-pt third option in bron-ball like Klay, worthy or parish could in their superior systems
.

The Thunder didn't only have Durant, but I don't care enough to even argue about a hypothetical when we saw Lebron make 8 straight finals and win 3 rings with players that don't touch prime/peak KD outside of 11 Wade.

Like I said before...when you then claimed you were "retiring"...

I feel sorry for you that Lebron is going down as a top 5 GOAT...I really think you probably wake up in the middle of the night having ****ing nightmares about this shit.

Just take the L...it is over. He's a top 5 player of all time pretty much universally at this point.

No amount of screaming or arguing will change it...

[Smoke117]

The Thunder didn't only have Durant, but I don't care enough to even argue about a hypothetical when we saw Lebron make 8 straight finals and win 3 rings with players that don't touch prime/peak KD outside of 11 Wade.

Like I said before...when you then claimed you were "retiring"...

I feel sorry for you that Lebron is going down as a top 5 GOAT...I really think you probably wake up in the middle of the night having ****ing nightmares about this shit.

Just take the L...it is over. He's a top 5 player of all time pretty much universally at this point.

No amount of screaming or arguing will change it...

https://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Kevin-Garnett-Reaction-at-2013-Dunk-Contest.gif

[SouBeachTalents]

The Thunder didn't only have Durant, but I don't care enough to even argue about a hypothetical when we saw Lebron make 8 straight finals and win 3 rings with players that don't touch prime/peak KD outside of 11 Wade.

Like I said before...when you then claimed you were "retiring"...

I feel sorry for you that Lebron is going down as a top 5 GOAT...I really think you probably wake up in the middle of the night having ****ing nightmares about this shit.

Just take the L...it is over. He's a top 5 player of all time pretty much universally at this point.

No amount of screaming or arguing will change it...
Tbf though this applies to a lot of the board :lol But it probably affects 3ball the most

[tpols]

What about Larry Hughes? Scottie Pippen is considered a top 30 player of all time. Larry Hughes isn't even considered top 300...so why exactly did you bring him up? Also, so true. Jordan completely made Pippen. It wasn't like he was drafted 5th overall and had GM's like Jack McCloskey of the Pistons at the time furiously trying to trade up to draft him and calling him a future super star or anything. It's almost amusing how you never get tired of of spouting out your stupidly worthless opinions after all these years.


Damn man relax it was just a prank bro.

[3ball]

Damn man relax it was just a prank bro.
Nice one. Exposing lebron fam as sensitive

And surely a 22/5/5 first team defender helped lebron finally make the playoffs in 06', more than a 7 ppg rookie helped MJ finally make the 2nd round

Ultimately, 8 vs. 1 sees losses are never criticized, especially when they happen in a player's first few seasons when most lottery picks miss playoffs altogether (Curry, lebron, Durant, Giannis, Kyrie, etc)

[sdot_thadon]

What about Larry Hughes? Scottie Pippen is considered a top 30 player of all time. Larry Hughes isn't even considered top 300...so why exactly did you bring him up? Also, so true. Jordan completely made Pippen. It wasn't like he was drafted 5th overall and had GM's like Jack McCloskey of the Pistons at the time furiously trying to trade up to draft him and calling him a future super star or anything. It's almost amusing how you never get tired of of spouting out your stupidly worthless opinions after all these years.
And let's not forget Larry Hughes was a member of MJ's 03 Wizards.....wonder how that season went?

[ScalsFan21]

No one got good alongside lebron that wasn't already good

Whereas Pippen, Grant, Kerr, Paxson, BJ, etc were nothing before MJ - they did infact improve alongside the goat

MJ developed teams and teamwork, while lebron doesn't (because it's hard to develop guys when your skillset turns them into spot-up shooters)

Your ass is always vacillating between "Bron put himself into amazing situations where losing the chip was inexcusable" and "Bron doesn't win as much as he could because he team hops and skips development". I know in this case you're saying it's due to his playstyle, but like :lol

[Smoke117]

Nice one. Exposing lebron fam as sensitive

And surely a 22/5/5 first team defender helped lebron finally make the playoffs in 06', more than a 7 ppg rookie helped MJ finally make the 2nd round

Ultimately, 8 vs. 1 sees losses are never criticized, especially when they happen in a player's first few seasons when most lottery picks miss playoffs altogether (Curry, lebron, Durant, Giannis, Kyrie, etc)

No surprise 3ball is jumping on this bandwagon. He probably actually thinks Larry Hughes was close to as good as Pippen for the simple reason it pushes Jordan further up that pedestal he has him on. :oldlol:

[3ball]

And let's not forget Larry Hughes was a member of MJ's 03 Wizards.....wonder how that season went?
The shutdown for "1-9":

8 vs. 1 seed losses are never criticized, especially when they happen in a player's first few seasons when most lottery picks miss playoffs altogether (Curry, Lebron, Durant, Giannis, Kyrie, etc)

Btw, surely a 22/5/5 first team defender helped lebron finally make the playoffs in 06', more than a 7 ppg rookie helped MJ finally make the 2nd round in 88'

[Smoke117]

The shutdown for "1-9":

8 vs. 1 seed losses are never criticized, especially when they happen in a player's first few seasons when most lottery picks miss playoffs altogether (Curry, Lebron, Durant, Giannis, Kyrie, etc)

Btw, surely a 22/5/5 first team defender helped lebron finally make the playoffs in 06', more than a 7 ppg rookie helped MJ finally make the 2nd round in 88'

Except Larry Hughes did absolutely nothing for the Cavs. His on/off was a -1.9. LeBron's was a team leading (obviously) +10.4. That's beside the point that you conveniently forget that Hughes only played 36 games for the Cavs in 2006 in the first place. I'm not going to look up their w/l with and without him, but I bet it's negligible. :oldlol:

[ScalsFan21]

Each time LeBron takes the regular season seriously, he wins 60 games with some of the worst help ever to reach that total. Except when he's a literal teenager. :bowdown:

[3ball]

No surprise 3ball is jumping on this bandwagon. He probably actually thinks Larry Hughes was close to as good as Pippen for the simple reason it pushes Jordan further up that pedestal he has him on. :oldlol:


Lebron didn't need Hughes to match Pippen because a good cast wasn't needed to make the Finals in the 00's East - Dwight, AI, Lebron and Kidd all took weak casts to the Finals in the 00's.. Everyone knew these teams sucked and would get destroyed in the Finals, so that's a stark contrast from the 80's when only great casts made the Finals (Celts, sixers, bad boys)

So Lebron was gifted a weak conference where a good cast wasn't needed to make the Finals.. Yet he couldn't make the Finals in 09/10, so he stacked the deck from 11-18' to ensure Finals runs.. Now that his super-team tenure from 11-18' is over, the conference has resumed sending non-star casts to the Finals, i.e. Kawhi in 19'

Btw, MJ only lost to the goat Celtics/Pistons and Shaq/Penny Magic - and his weak cast nearly beat the Pistons' in 89/90'.. Quite simply, MJ never lost to teams as weak as the 09 Magic, 10' Celtics, or 11' Mavs - he would've easily made those Finals or won the ring those years, which Lebron's favored 1 seeds failed to do

[sdot_thadon]

I'm just wondering if Larry Hughes is such a great sidekick (which don't get me wrong he was decent in 07 before the postseason).....why couldn't Mj make the playoffs with him in one of the weakest eastern conferences ever?

[Manny98]

https://media.giphy.com/media/l4Ki2obCyAQS5WhFe/giphy.gif

Everyone here thinks MJ is the GOAT relax. No need to make 50 threads every day bashing LeBron chill out df out man :oldlol: