Poll: Best Metal Band of all time?

[RRR3]

Let

[fsvr54]

Probably Meshuggah.

[Patrick Chewing]

Where

[NumberSix]

Wu-Tang Clan

[Prometheus]

99% of metal music is unlistenable garbage.

[Patrick Chewing]

99% of metal music is unlistenable garbage.


Spoken like someone who probably listens to Mumble Rap and considers that music.

[highwhey]

Spoken like someone who probably listens to Mumble Rap and considers that music.
calm down Patrick Zimmerman, not everyone is a fan of screeching voices.

[Patrick Chewing]

calm down Patrick Zimmerman, not everyone is a fan of screeching voices.


Ha! Not all Metal is screeching voices either.


For example:
ICED EARTH - I Died For You (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-3l2eorxpQ)

[Prometheus]

Spoken like someone who probably listens to Mumble Rap and considers that music.

I listen to everything from Beethoven to Coltrane to Hendrix to Tom Waits to the Beatles and Stones to Arlie to Arcade Fire to Tool to Wagner to Strauss to Miles Davis. I play guitar and piano.

You're just a f*cking idiot.

[Bawkish]

Black Sabbath
Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Metallica

in that order

[highwhey]

Ha! Not all Metal is screeching voices either.


For example:
ICED EARTH - I Died For You (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-3l2eorxpQ)

as a fellow christian, ima tell you to be careful with some of that music man. the cover art alone would concern me. i used to listen to iron maiden when i was younger, until i realized the topics of their songs were borderline satanic.

i

[Back In Shape]

Metal died when Guns N' Roses came along and people said, "Now THIS is talent"

[Patrick Chewing]

I listen to everything from Beethoven to Coltrane to Hendrix to Tom Waits to the Beatles and Stones to Arlie to Arcade Fire to Tool to Wagner to Strauss to Miles Davis. I play guitar and piano.




So do a lot of people. Nobody cares.

[Patrick Chewing]

[QUOTE=highwhey]as a fellow christian, ima tell you to be careful with some of that music man. the cover art alone would concern me. i used to listen to iron maiden when i was younger, until i realized the topics of their songs were borderline satanic.

i

[DukeDelonte13]

I listen to everything from Beethoven to Coltrane to Hendrix to Tom Waits to the Beatles and Stones to Arlie to Arcade Fire to Tool to Wagner to Strauss to Miles Davis. I play guitar and piano.

You're just a f*cking idiot.


If you truly had such diverse musical taste you wouldn't call any genre of music 99% garbage.

Metal is such a diverse genre, you got sludge-stoner doom metal which is really really simple all the way to hyper technical progressive metal where the musicianship is literally on par with any guitar player, drummer, bassist, etc. to have ever played. A lot of true virtuosos gravitate towards classical, jazz, and metal of all things, and there is a reason why.

You just can't lump it all into one field. Iron Maiden sounds nothing like GnR who sounds nothing like Meshuggah who sounds nothing like pantera, etc.

[Overdrive]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Let

[Bosnian Sajo]

The Beatles

[TheMan]

I listen to everything from Beethoven to Coltrane to Hendrix to Tom Waits to the Beatles and Stones to Arlie to Arcade Fire to Tool to Wagner to Strauss to Miles Davis. I play guitar and piano.

You're just a f*cking idiot.
That's quite the variety...surprised someone so open minded would post such an ignorant thing. I also listen to a great variety of music, hell I even listen to non-English speaking music, like Spanish flamenco or Arabic music, for a few examples. I also play guitar and bass and find your comment downright ignorant.

On to the subject of this thread, metal music is a very broad term, unless you just want to only include classic metal bands that created the sound and not the offshoot genres.

My dirty dozen personal list in no order...

Black Sabbath
Dio
Megadeth
Tool
Judas Priest
Rage Against the Machine
System of a Down
Metallica
Iron Maiden
Alice In Chains
AC/DC
Soundgarden

[Overdrive]

That's quite the variety...surprised someone so open minded would post such an ignorant thing. I also listen to a great variety of music, hell I even listen to non-English speaking music, like Spanish flamenco or Arabic music, for a few examples. I also play guitar and bass and find your comment downright ignorant.

On to the subject of this thread, metal music is a very broad term, unless you just want to only include classic metal bands that created the sound and not the offshoot genres.

My dirty dozen personal list in no order...

Black Sabbath
Dio
Megadeth
Tool
Judas Priest
Rage Against the Machine
System of a Down
Metallica
Iron Maiden
Alice In Chains
AC/DC
Soundgarden

Don't really get the metal vibes from ACDC, AIC or especially Soundgarden. Great bands nonetheless.

[rufuspaul]

Motorhead

[TheMan]

The Beatles
Ah one of my all time favorite bands :bowdown:

These geniuses also have a couple of songs that could be credited as having influenced the classic metal sound like Revolution and Helter Skelter. :cheers:

[TheMan]

Don't really get the metal vibes from ACDC, AIC or especially Soundgarden. Great bands nonetheless.
Yeah I kind of agree with your statement about AC/DC, especially the Bon Scott era BUT Back In Black and For Those About To Rock have what I consider, very metal sounding songs, but in general AC/DC is a hard rock band. Soundgarden were heavily influenced by Black Sabbath, Kim Thayil has said so many times in interviews, Jerry Cantrell was a metalhead growing up as well.

[Patrick Chewing]

Badmotorfinger is a Metal album without question, but I would still lump Soundgarden into the Grunge or Hard Rock category considering what the rest of their catalog sounds like. The cool thing about Soundgarden is that you hear the Sabbath and Zeppelin influences in their early work, but they eventually became too radio friendly as most bands do.

[Prometheus]

If you truly had such diverse musical taste you wouldn't call any genre of music 99% garbage.

Metal is such a diverse genre, you got sludge-stoner doom metal which is really really simple all the way to hyper technical progressive metal where the musicianship is literally on par with any guitar player, drummer, bassist, etc. to have ever played. A lot of true virtuosos gravitate towards classical, jazz, and metal of all things, and there is a reason why.

You just can't lump it all into one field. Iron Maiden sounds nothing like GnR who sounds nothing like Meshuggah who sounds nothing like pantera, etc.

But I do. And that's how I feel. I'm very well aware of the technical proficiency of some metal acts (especially prog metal). I can't play most of it. I have all the respect in the world for their talent at their craft.

It's just the (vast) majority of metal is, to me, unlistenable garbage. I simply don't like it. I find it is like the musical equivalent of wall text. The only metal bands I have enjoyed are ones like Pantera and Lamb of God (only very sparingly) who are groove-oriented.

Just because I am a musician and have diverse taste doesn't mean I like everything. Metal is annoying.

[Patrick Chewing]

I can't play most of it.

And that

[Prometheus]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]And that

[RRR3]

I meant to have a poll for this lmao.


My vote is for Black Sabbath. The first and still the best IMO.

[Prometheus]

I meant to have a poll for this lmao.


My vote is for Black Sabbath. The first and still the best IMO.

I do enjoy Black Sabbath. When you listen to today's metal music, it's hard to consider them metal by today's standards. They are the originals, but like... if a band came out now and sounded exactly like Sabbath, they would be considered rock.

[RRR3]

I do enjoy Black Sabbath. When you listen to today's metal music, it's hard to consider them metal by today's standards. They are the originals, but like... if a band came out now and sounded exactly like Sabbath, they would be considered rock.
You don’t even know what doom metal is, do you?

[Prometheus]

[QUOTE=RRR3]You don

[RRR3]

Oh boy :oldlol:

Guess not. Link me up, Scottie. Make a fan outta me.
Wikipedia describes it thusly: “Doom Metal is an extreme subgenre of heavy metal music that typically uses slower tempos, low-tuned guitars and a much "thicker” or "heavier" sound than other heavy metal genres. Both the music and the lyrics intend to evoke a sense of despair, dread, and impending doom.”

Black Sabbath are the first doom metal band. So if you want to know what traditional doom is, look no further than Sabbath. There are various other kinds of doom but I’m most partial to traditional doom.

Here are some bands you’ll enjoy if you like Sabbath

Electric Wizard (you might not enjoy some of their sludgier stuff, but starting with Witchult Today in 2007, they are basically Black Sabbath Jr. Absolutely love these guys)
Sleep
Pentagram
Candlemass (epic doom metal)
Cathedral
Orange Goblin
St. Virus
Uncle Acid and the Deadbeats
Windhand
Pagan Altar


Other doom bands I’m less familiar with

Witchfinder General
Acid King
Count Raven (haven’t even listened to them yet lmao)
Church of Misery


Some lesser known ones

Doctor Smoke
Alastor
Devil’s Witches
Void Tripper
Mephistofeles

[RRR3]

Here’s some Electric Wizard for you since they’re my 3rd favorite metal band after Sabbath and Metallica

https://youtu.be/E6oVy6VpeoY

https://youtu.be/G-1RnTm31ng

https://youtu.be/eE1vY0SiWrY

An example of their earlier sludgier stuff. This is from what is considered their best album and is the song people went crazy for in the pit at the show I saw them at. It’s like Sabbath on steroids: https://youtu.be/i9gOAFa7bnk

Live version of that same song: https://youtu.be/EU0TUR-o6gE

[Prometheus]

I like the name pentagram so I tried them first. Terrible.

Electric Wizard I'm checking out now. So far it's pretty bad, but more tolerable. I don't know man. This shit just all sounds muddy and lazy and dumb. I don't mean to shit on your taste, I can't help how it sounds to me.

I'm very interested in their references though. Pentagram seems overtly Satanist... not borderline at all. Electric Wizard seem Saturn-obsessed, and they seem to appropriately grasp the astrological archetype of Saturn. Are you a Satanist? Are you into astrology?

[RRR3]

Not sure how you can like Sabbath and not like these bands lol

[Prometheus]

Not sure how you can like Sabbath and not like these bands lol

Do they have anything with more groove? I'm thinking of the most well-known Sabbath songs... Paranoid, War Pigs, Iron Man... very rhythmic stuff. Not muddy. All this shit sounds muddy as **** and rhythmically sloppy.

[Prometheus]

I absolutely love Tool, but I have a hard time considering them metal. I can see it though. so I guess that counts for something. Danny Carey is an actual god.

[RRR3]

You can try Uncle Acid

https://youtu.be/eAyx9jMtOvE

https://youtu.be/Ds-Fg445tfw (here’s some groove for sure)

https://youtu.be/FoEUBsh8iFA

[Prometheus]

Come to think of it, you'd consider soad and ratm as metal wouldn't you? I guess I might have to drop it from 99% down to maybe 90%. I **** with those bands heavily.

[RRR3]

Come to think of it, you'd consider soad and ratm as metal wouldn't you? I guess I might have to drop it from 99% down to maybe 90%. I **** with those bands heavily.
Did you listen to Uncle Acid?

[Prometheus]

Didn't care for it, no.

[Patrick Chewing]

Some Down and some Pantera is all you need.


I had a feeling a few of you would select Black Sabbath and I can

[Levity]

xdeadxhabibx

[Prometheus]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Some Down and some Pantera is all you need.


I had a feeling a few of you would select Black Sabbath and I can

[Patrick Chewing]

It's funny to me that you and I had our miniature pissing contest, and then you ended up naming two bands that I actually do like. SoaD especially is a great group.


I think you were either drunk or high when you said 99% of Metal is unlistenable lol.

All is forgiven. NOLA and VDOP are two of the greatest albums ever created.

[Prometheus]

I think you were either drunk or high when you said 99% of Metal is unlistenable lol.

All is forgiven. NOLA and VDOP are two of the greatest albums ever created.

I still dislike the vast majority of it. Mostly the incessant nature of the rhythms is what turns me off. Screaming doesn't help either. System and Pantera are both very groove-oriented and don't scream. Add Rage to that category if you consider them metal. And Tool likewise.

[Patrick Chewing]

Groove Metal is my favorite too. Not too many Metal bands that play that type anymore. Newer Megadeth and Metallica have lots of groove.

Mostly you

[Rolando]

I may have missed something but nobody even mentioned Led Zeppelin.

They rate up there for sure. Heavy as it gets.

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Some Down and some Pantera is all you need.


I had a feeling a few of you would select Black Sabbath and I can

[TheMan]

I may have missed something but nobody even mentioned Led Zeppelin.

They rate up there for sure. Heavy as it gets.
They influenced metal bands but I wouldn't go so far as to include them as a metal band. But then again, I mentioned AC/DC as a metal band so what do I know :lol

[ILLsmak]

If you truly had such diverse musical taste you wouldn't call any genre of music 99% garbage.

Metal is such a diverse genre, you got sludge-stoner doom metal which is really really simple all the way to hyper technical progressive metal where the musicianship is literally on par with any guitar player, drummer, bassist, etc. to have ever played. A lot of true virtuosos gravitate towards classical, jazz, and metal of all things, and there is a reason why.

You just can't lump it all into one field. Iron Maiden sounds nothing like GnR who sounds nothing like Meshuggah who sounds nothing like pantera, etc.

Heh 95% of everything is trash.

I don't understand why people always bring up how complex metal is because I'm sure there are other complex pieces they dislike. Metal is also very primal. Grunting, etc. Im not really wet for that either. If tool is metal I fux w them. They've got good tight loops and the way dude does lyricism is good.

I also would question what makes something hard. Is it speed or electric instruments, is it subject matter? Cuz to me I think some shit like pentangle which is like folk baroque or whatever is harder than most metal.

I mean shit, virtuouso or not, different shit appeals to different people. I heard classical on cartoons or derivatives of it in other places as a kid. The first thing that really blew my mind is wu tang cuz I was just like I would have never imagined dudes could do that. Like raekwon said in some other shit: yall never heard n*ggas rhyme like this.

High art is like Magic to me. It really depends on what you can immerse yourself in. You can't brute force immerse yourself in something and it may be way more deep and complex than it appears on the surface. That can be a for and against argument for metal or other lightning rods. Like rap.

-Smak

[Relinquish]

I do enjoy Black Sabbath. When you listen to today's metal music, it's hard to consider them metal by today's standards. They are the originals, but like... if a band came out now and sounded exactly like Sabbath, they would be considered rock.

Have you heard any Sabbath record past the 70s? Clearly not.

Even still, Ozzy-era Sabbath is metal af. Master of Reality isn't metal? Sabotage isn't metal? Please.

[Relinquish]

Hard to pick one band since I listen to so many. If I had to pick a couple favorites from the main subgenres I'd go with something like this:

Traditional - Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden
Thrash - Overkill, Kreator
Black - Moonsorrow, Drudkh
Death - Incantation, Atheist
Power - Symphony X, Savatage
Prog - Dream Theater, Leprous
Doom - Candlemass, Trouble

[90sgoat]

Best hard rock: Guns N Roses

Best early rock: The Who

Best acid rock: The Doors

Best trash metal: Metallica

Best pagan metal: Ensiferum

Best black metal: Burzum

Most overrated rock, that's not really rock: The Rolling Stones

[Hawker]

Anybody ever heard of Power Trip?

Swing of the Axe! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOWf8uqGf8A)

[Relinquish]

Anybody ever heard of Power Trip?

Swing of the Axe! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOWf8uqGf8A)

Of course. Solid modern thrash/crossover.

[Patrick Chewing]

You rat fink rat bastard :cheers:

I thought I was the only one who felt this way, I love me some Ozzy but Heaven and Hell, Mob Rules and Dehumanizer are my favorite Sabbath albums.


Yeah when I hear people worship Ozzy, I just want to bash them in the head. You mention Dio and they have no idea who you

[RRR3]

Hard to pick one band since I listen to so many. If I had to pick a couple favorites from the main subgenres I'd go with something like this:

Traditional - Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden
Thrash - Overkill, Kreator
Black - Moonsorrow, Drudkh
Death - Incantation, Atheist
Power - Symphony X, Savatage
Prog - Dream Theater, Leprous
Doom - Candlemass, Trouble
Ah, another metalhead. :rockon:

Atheist is ****ing absurd.

[Relinquish]

Yeah when I hear people worship Ozzy, I just want to bash them in the head. You mention Dio and they have no idea who you’re talking about. You mention Tony Martin, Ian Gillian, or Glenn Hughes and they really start to look at you funny.

I personally love almost all Sabbath tbh, and all 3 main vocalists were great. Gillan was only on one album and Hughes was on an Iommi solo album turned Sabbath album by the label, so I don't really consider them to be that important to Sabbath's history (and neither album is very good). Tony Martin though is underrated af. He is about equal with Dio for me vocal wise, although the Dio material is better overall.

[Relinquish]

Ah, another metalhead. :rockon:

Atheist is ****ing absurd.

:rockon:

Agreed, they are bonkers. They are working on new material too.

[RRR3]

IMO Ozzy was far better for the sound Sabbath created than any other singer would have been. He and Tony Iommi just fit perfectly together musically. Sabbath with Ozzy is truly the best metal you’ll find IMO. Of course, Iommi was the mastermind behind the music and he is without a doubt the single most important person in the history metal. Sabbath with Dio was cool but it never felt right, and let’s not forget Sabbath with Dio didn’t have Bill Ward for 2/3 of the albums too. The rest of the singers were on albums I considered solid to bad. Gillian I liked in DP ofc. Either the Hughes or Martin era I consider Sabbath’s low point. Can’t remembe which

[Relinquish]

[QUOTE=RRR3]IMO Ozzy was far better for the sound Sabbath created than any other singer would have been. He and Tony Iommi just fit perfectly together musically. Sabbath with Ozzy is truly the best metal you

[Patrick Chewing]

I didn

[TheMan]

IMO Ozzy was far better for the sound Sabbath created than any other singer would have been. He and Tony Iommi just fit perfectly together musically. Sabbath with Ozzy is truly the best metal you’ll find IMO. Of course, Iommi was the mastermind behind the music and he is without a doubt the single most important person in the history metal. Sabbath with Dio was cool but it never felt right, and let’s not forget Sabbath with Dio didn’t have Bill Ward for 2/3 of the albums too. The rest of the singers were on albums I considered solid to bad. Gillian I liked in DP ofc. Either the Hughes or Martin era I consider Sabbath’s low point. Can’t remembe which
You're nuts, Gillan on Born Again rocks, the production does suck but Disturbing the Priest? Trashed? Zero the Hero?

Headless Cross is another great album, also some good songs on Eternal Idol like The Shining and Ancient Warrior.

The metal band that were right there in the beginning and are often overlooked is Judas Priest, British Steel, Screaming for Vengeance, Defenders of the Faith, Sad Wings of Destiny etc, effing rocking albums.

https://youtu.be/BEfOGyvyfFY

[RRR3]

Priest is cool. I just got Sad Wings of Destiny from the library. Gonna get it on file on my mom’s computer so I can listen to it on my iPod later (mine isn’t working rn). Not the biggest fan of them though.



Anyone like Bathory?

[Relinquish]

Priest is cool. I just got Sad Wings of Destiny from the library. Gonna get it on file on my mom’s computer so I can listen to it on my iPod later (mine isn’t working rn). Not the biggest fan of them though.



Anyone like Bathory?

Priest has a large discog, so I feel like there's something in there for every metal fan, just gotta find something that sticks.

Bathory is great, although I'm more partial to their earlier stuff. Blood Fire Death is my fav for sure.

[RRR3]

Priest has a large discog, so I feel like there's something in there for every metal fan, just gotta find something that sticks.

Bathory is great, although I'm more partial to their earlier stuff. Blood Fire Death is my fav for sure.
Yeah I haven’t heard all Bathory’s stuff but I prefer the black metal stuff too. How about Mayhem? Not a huge fan of them as a whole but the Live at Leipzig versions of Freezif Moon and Chainsaw Guts**** are killer. Dead was a fascinating (and very disturbing) individual and his voice was insane.

[Relinquish]

Yeah I haven’t heard all Bathory’s stuff but I prefer the black metal stuff too. How about Mayhem? Not a huge fan of them as a whole but the Live at Leipzig versions of Freezif Moon and Chainsaw Guts**** are killer. Dead was a fascinating (and very disturbing) individual and his voice was insane.

Mayhem I'm not that huge on overall. I like DMDS and Leipzig the most. Wolf Lair Abyss, Deathcrush and Esoteric Warfare are all solid, but their other albums I'm not into really.

For old school second wave stuff I prefer Immortal, Behemoth's early bm stuff, Darkthrone, Dissection, Emperor, Enslaved, etc.

[Patrick Chewing]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Priest is cool. I just got Sad Wings of Destiny from the library. Gonna get it on file on my mom

[fsvr54]

Unquestionable Presence blew my mind as a maladjusted 14 year old. What playing.

[Relinquish]

Unquestionable Presence blew my mind as a maladjusted 14 year old. What playing.

Still blows my mind today. It's crazy.

[RRR3]

How about White Zombie?


Anyone else like them?

Man, young Sean Yseult was a babe :D and she kills it on bass!

[andgar923]

Define

[Relinquish]

How about White Zombie?


Anyone else like them?

Man, young Sean Yseult was a babe :D and she kills it on bass!

Need to give them a proper listen some time. Never heard a full album of theirs, just a few songs.

[RRR3]

Need to give them a proper listen some time. Never heard a full album of theirs, just a few songs.
La Sexorcisto is their best album. Easily. Check that one out first. You can really hear the bass on the album too which isn’t always the case in metal, sadly.

[Relinquish]

La Sexorcisto is their best album. Easily. Check that one out first. You can really hear the bass on the album too which isn’t always the case in metal, sadly.

Will do for sure when I'm in the mood.

[Patrick Chewing]

Yo for fans of Traditional Heavy Metal, check out this Youtube channel for some tons of New Wave stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCGbKiCJjph8Grazqmo7z4w

[Overdrive]

[QUOTE=RRR3]
Electric Wizard
Orange Goblin

Doctor Smoke
Alastor
Devil

[Bawkish]

Polyphonic had a good vid on the evolution of Metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSIf_KVNsqg

Beatles' Helter Skelter seemed originated the controlled chaos style of "heavy sound" that transposed to Metal.

Paul responded to The Who's Pete Townsend challenge that he's gonna write the "heaviest sound" to date

[Bawkish]

La Sexorcisto is their best album. Easily. Check that one out first. You can really hear the bass on the album too which isn’t always the case in metal, sadly.

i thought Astro Creep 2000 is way better than La Sexocisto

it encapsulate the whole "funky metal" that White Zombie is famous for

[Patrick Chewing]

Black Sabbath is the band that laid out how a metal riff should sound. That was the blueprint for a decade. The are rightly rated. They're the birth of heavy metal and anyone who denies this is a fool. No other band was this heavy that early.

Others paved the way with certain techniques, like Ritchie's "Hard loving man" being the origin of the metal gallopp, but Sabbath had it all.

Iommi already got lazy during the Dio period. He's the better singer, but the material was way weaker. Actually dig among Dio's bands I dig Elf and Rainbow the most.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_heavy_metal_and_hard_rock_music

Check that link out. Pretty cool history.


Everyone talks about the "Trinity", but you have to include groups like Jimi and Rush in there as well.

[HylianNightmare]

If you truly had such diverse musical taste you wouldn't call any genre of music 99% garbage.

Metal is such a diverse genre, you got sludge-stoner doom metal which is really really simple all the way to hyper technical progressive metal where the musicianship is literally on par with any guitar player, drummer, bassist, etc. to have ever played. A lot of true virtuosos gravitate towards classical, jazz, and metal of all things, and there is a reason why.

You just can't lump it all into one field. Iron Maiden sounds nothing like GnR who sounds nothing like Meshuggah who sounds nothing like pantera, etc.
It's crazy how in 2019 people still lump metal into one genre.
Like you said rings of Saturn, shadow of intent, angelmaker, Lorna shore. All these tech death namda literally can play at light speed and they would just get lumped in with ****ing Pantera

I realized when I was 14 years old that mainstream radio music is lyrically and especially musically garbage in comparison to music that you have to dig a little deeper for

[Overdrive]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_heavy_metal_and_hard_rock_music

Check that link out. Pretty cool history.


Everyone talks about the "Trinity", but you have to include groups like Jimi and Rush in there as well.

The trinity, I guess Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, and Hendrix are with the exception of Black Sabbath protometal. Black Sabbath is the band were most music jounalists, historians and musicians can put their finger on and say they're the first, who definately were heavy metal.

Rush' debut album is from 1974.

[Prometheus]

It's crazy how in 2019 people still lump metal into one genre.
Like you said rings of Saturn, shadow of intent, angelmaker, Lorna shore. All these tech death namda literally can play at light speed and they would just get lumped in with ****ing Pantera

I realized when I was 14 years old that mainstream radio music is lyrically and especially musically garbage in comparison to music that you have to dig a little deeper for

Playing music at light speed doesn't make it good. It's mostly jerking your instrument off when you play that way. You scoff at Pantera, but they're better. Less technical, but much more musical.

Also it doesn't imply that it's all the same to say that most of it sucks.

And congrats on saying something that every 14yo who is exposed to music would say. I'm sure your understanding of musical and lyrical quality at 14 was very sophisticated.

Does anyone else find it interesting how many metal bands seem obsessed with Saturn? Why that planet, specifically?

[Relinquish]

An album from the same year as Sabbath’s debut/Paranoid that is heavy as fk and kicks ass is Lucifer’s Friend - Lucifer’s Friend. Underrated band with John Lawton on vocals who was in Uriah Heep at one point. I feel it doesn’t get talked about enough, but it was very heavy for 1970. Also Led Zeppelin ripped off LF’s Ride In The Sky with Immigrant Song.

[Prometheus]

The trinity, I guess Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, and Hendrix are with the exception of Black Sabbath protometal. Black Sabbath is the band were most music jounalists, historians and musicians can put their finger on and say they're the first, who definately were heavy metal.

Rush' debut album is from 1974.

If you want to go down that route, I think influences can be noticed in the Kinks (first band to use power chords primarily over triads), Cream (first band I'm aware of who really focused on showcasing the soloing and skills of the individual musicians), and perhaps even the velvet underground for their dark and controversial topics. None of these are metal, but like you said, neither was Zeppelin.

[Relinquish]

If you want to go down that route, I think influences can be noticed in the Kinks (first band to use power chords primarily over triads), Cream (first band I'm aware of who really focused on showcasing the soloing and skills of the individual musicians), and perhaps even the velvet underground for their dark and controversial topics. None of these are metal, but like you said, neither was Zeppelin.

Blue Cheer as well.

[Overdrive]

An album from the same year as Sabbath’s debut/Paranoid that is heavy as fk and kicks ass is Lucifer’s Friend - Lucifer’s Friend. Underrated band with John Lawton on vocals who was in Uriah Heep at one point. I feel it doesn’t get talked about enough, but it was very heavy for 1970. Also Led Zeppelin ripped off LF’s Ride In The Sky with Immigrant Song.

Awesome album, but they changed their sound too often. I guess that's the reason for them being mostly unknown.

If you want to go down that route, I think influences can be noticed in the Kinks (first band to use power chords primarily over triads), Cream (first band I'm aware of who really focused on showcasing the soloing and skills of the individual musicians), and perhaps even the velvet underground for their dark and controversial topics. None of these are metal, but like you said, neither was Zeppelin.

Of course. Influences of later metal can be tracked to Bach, Paganini and the likes. That's why "definately" is so important.

[Prometheus]

Of course. Influences of later metal can be tracked to Bach, Paganini and the likes. That's why "definately" is so important.

The development section of the first movement of Eroica by Beethoven is pretty f*cking metal when you give it an honest listen. Bach was technical but Beethoven was actually heavy.

[Overdrive]

The development section of the first movement of Eroica by Beethoven is pretty f*cking metal when you give it an honest listen. Bach was technical but Beethoven was actually heavy.

Yeah, if we get to later composers there's alot of heavy stuff to be found. I just took two baroque names as I feel they're first to have an influence on metal. Beethoven's 7th is superb metal.

But imo the Dies Irae section of Verdi's Requiem is the heaviest most dense piece of music ever bar none. Not even a close second.

[Prometheus]

Yeah, if we get to later composers there's alot of heavy stuff to be found. I just took two baroque names as I feel they're first to have an influence on metal. Beethoven's 7th is superb metal.

But imo the Dies Irae section of Verdi's Requiem is the heaviest most dense piece of music ever bar none. Not even a close second.

First time I'm hearing that piece. Romantic era composers were pretty badass.

I still think Eroica was the "first" in a way. Can you think of anything before that symphony which brought that distinct heaviness? I think it's no coincidence this was the first thing Beethoven wrote after coming to terms with his impending hearing loss and the famous "I will seize fate by the throat." Chills.

[Hey Yo]

I listen to everything from Beethoven to Coltrane to Hendrix to Tom Waits to the Beatles and Stones to Arlie to Arcade Fire to Tool to Wagner to Strauss to Miles Davis. I play guitar and piano.
allegedly..........

[Hey Yo]

Metal died when Guns N' Roses came along and people said, "Now THIS is talent"
LOL @ thinking they weren't talented.

Their first album is probably top 3 when it comes to debut albums of that genre.

[Hey Yo]

How do you define best?

Overall I'd say Metallica.

Not my favourite, although I love their first 4, but they have the name, more iconic songs than any other Metal band, bigger than any other. They hit the mainstream with AJFA, which was still a very if not their heaviest album.

Maiden is 2nd for the same reasons.

Fav band is probably Slayer, but fav album is Sepultura's Arise.
Thrash and melodic death are my fav genres, spiced with some NWOBHM and whatever Maiden, Iced Earth(imo they're too thrashy for the power metal label) and Opeth are.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/ff14aa5ce55c39b6add9d8f16c39acbf/tenor.gif
Naaaaaaaa ....... Kill 'Em All and Master of Puppets were both much heavier.

[Prometheus]

allegedly..........

What do you think I'm lying about?

[Relinquish]

Naaaaaaaa ....... Kill 'Em All and Master of Puppets were both much heavier.

Justice is definitely a heavy album for Metallica. I’d argue it’s possibly their heaviest, either that or MoP. Kill ‘Em All is my favorite Metallica but it’s much more fun and upbeat, and not nearly as dark as those two.

[Hey Yo]

I meant to have a poll for this lmao.


My vote is for Black Sabbath. The first and still the best IMO.
Couldn't fathom eating some really good acid in 1970 and listening to their self titled song for the very first time. I probably would have freaked out called the police, but not able to answer why I'm calling.

[Hey Yo]

What do you think I'm lying about?
All of it

[Prometheus]

[QUOTE=Relinquish]Justice is definitely a heavy album for Metallica. I

[Prometheus]

All of it

Why do you think that?

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Here

[Hey Yo]

Master of Puppets for sure. Cliff's ruthless fingerstyle added a meaty underbelly to the tone. Newstead's dead picking just didn't measure up. Also the songs on Master had more driving pulse. Battery, Disposable Heroes, Damage inc. very fast and dynamically intense songs. Or maybe I just recognize it as "way better" and I'm turning that into "heavier". The production on Justice sucked. Lars seemed to get oddly snare-happy. MoP is a far superior piece of work.
Yep and I think the snare sound was more popcorn sounding. Liked the album, but definitely not the snare sound.

[Hey Yo]

Why do you think that?
just fvcking with ya, mang........ it's all good.

[RRR3]

You'd probably like Celtic Frost. This is from the early 80's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uTPbgxZeYU
Yeah I love that song. Frost is cool.

[Prometheus]

Yep and I think the snare sound was more popcorn sounding. Liked the album, but definitely not the snare sound.

It's still a decent album, but comparing it to Master of Puppets is blasphemous to my ear. I would not hesitate to say MoP was their magnum opus. The Thing That Should Not Be is the only song I could imagine skipping... every other second of that album is just dope as ****.

[RRR3]

It's still a decent album, but comparing it to Master of Puppets is blasphemous to my ear. I would not hesitate to say MoP was their magnum opus. The Thing That Should Not Be is the only song I could imagine skipping... every other second of that album is just dope as ****.
Cliff rules :cheers:

[Relinquish]

There’s actually versions of Justice with audible bass on youtube and they sound real good.

[Hey Yo]

Anybody ever heard of Power Trip?

Swing of the Axe! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOWf8uqGf8A)
Heard their song "Hornets Nest" for the first time about 3mos ago and thought it kicked ass. Reminded me of early 80's band Exodus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3BuSWsUi8c

[Prometheus]

Cliff rules :cheers:

Vive le roi de la basse :rockon:

[Prometheus]

just fvcking with ya, mang........ it's all good.

Well I have a chemical imbalance and can't take jokes so maybe think about that next time you decide to fvck with me because I'm likely to come unhinged over nothing at all.

:lol

[Hey Yo]

It's still a decent album, but comparing it to Master of Puppets is blasphemous to my ear. I would not hesitate to say MoP was their magnum opus. The Thing That Should Not Be is the only song I could imagine skipping... every other second of that album is just dope as ****.
That's one of my favs. Love the slow grinding riff of the guitars.

[Trollsmasher]

it's 'tallica and it ain't close

[Hey Yo]

Yeah I love that song. Frost is cool.
You also may like this debut album from 1987. A lot of people seem to think this as the earliest type of Death Metal. All 4 members between the ages of 17 and 20. If you give it a listen, you'll hear the guitarist (in his solo's) is heavily influenced by Randy Rhodes

Season of the Dead........... by the band, Necrophagia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT88E1OIVJk

[Patrick Chewing]

I find it hard to believe it's "'tallica" solely based on their first four albums.

[RRR3]

You also may like this debut album from 1987. A lot of people seem to think this as the earliest type of Death Metal. All 4 members between the ages of 17 and 20. If you give it a listen, you'll hear the guitarist (in his solo's) is heavily influenced by Randy Rhodes

Season of the Dead........... by the band, Necrophagia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT88E1OIVJk
I love Randy Rhoads. He inspired my username.

IMO Best metal guitarist who ever lived.

Yeah I know of Necrophagia. Only really heard the song “Coffins” by them tho.

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=RRR3]I love Randy Rhoads. He inspired my username.

IMO Best metal guitarist who ever lived.

Yeah I know of Necrophagia. Only really heard the song

[Relinquish]

There's much better musicianship in the album that I posted than their stuff that came out a decade later with Phil Anselmo helping out.

Necrophagia was very early but the material is just not really up to par with their peers imo.

[RRR3]

Wikipedia describes it thusly: “Doom Metal is an extreme subgenre of heavy metal music that typically uses slower tempos, low-tuned guitars and a much "thicker” or "heavier" sound than other heavy metal genres. Both the music and the lyrics intend to evoke a sense of despair, dread, and impending doom.”

Black Sabbath are the first doom metal band. So if you want to know what traditional doom is, look no further than Sabbath. There are various other kinds of doom but I’m most partial to traditional doom.

Here are some bands you’ll enjoy if you like Sabbath

Electric Wizard (you might not enjoy some of their sludgier stuff, but starting with Witchult Today in 2007, they are basically Black Sabbath Jr. Absolutely love these guys)
Sleep
Pentagram
Candlemass (epic doom metal)
Cathedral
Orange Goblin
St. Virus
Uncle Acid and the Deadbeats
Windhand
Pagan Altar


Other doom bands I’m less familiar with

Witchfinder General
Acid King
Count Raven (haven’t even listened to them yet lmao)
Church of Misery


Some lesser known ones

Doctor Smoke
Alastor
Devil’s Witches
Void Tripper
Mephistofeles
I meant Saint Vitus not St. virus lmao

[TheMan]

It's still a decent album, but comparing it to Master of Puppets is blasphemous to my ear. I would not hesitate to say MoP was their magnum opus. The Thing That Should Not Be is the only song I could imagine skipping... every other second of that album is just dope as ****.
Ha, love The Thing That Should Not Be, my band covered that song back in the day.

[Prometheus]

Ha, love The Thing That Should Not Be, my band covered that song back in the day.

Are you sure it wasn't just because it was the only song from that album that all of you could play?

:lol

[Overdrive]

First time I'm hearing that piece. Romantic era composers were pretty badass.

I still think Eroica was the "first" in a way. Can you think of anything before that symphony which brought that distinct heaviness? I think it's no coincidence this was the first thing Beethoven wrote after coming to terms with his impending hearing loss and the famous "I will seize fate by the throat." Chills.

Beethoven had the heavy sound down for sure. I was more talking about influences like use of unusual chords/scales and patterns that were not used in rock until Ritchie and later metal came along.

The first real heavy piece was still before Beethoven imo. Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D-Minor. Tritone and super heavy at certain parts. H

[RRR3]

[QUOTE=Overdrive]Beethoven had the heavy sound down for sure. I was more talking about influences like use of unusual chords/scales and patterns that were not used in rock until Ritchie and later metal came along.

The first real heavy piece was still before Beethoven imo. Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D-Minor. Tritone and super heavy at certain parts. H

[Prometheus]

Ha! The d minor fugue was the piece I predicted you would mention. Love it. But I must say it does leave me wondering if you know precisely which part I'm talking about from Eroica.

It would be a shame to not listen to this piece in its entirety, but the part I'm talking about is from about 8:50 until 9:30 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-uEjxxYtHo).

Of course there was some heavy shit that existed prior, but this feels like a "quantum leap forward". IMO, that whole symphonic movement is the greatest triumph in the history of music.

[Prometheus]

Cliff was extremely proficient on bass though. Sure, he wasn't as technical as someone like John Myung in his bass lines, but dude could play the shit out of his instrument. James is a really good rhythm guitarist too. Kirk is a solid lead guitarist but there are definitely many better. Lars has always sounded kinda sloppy live but he used to be really energetic and I liked his playing back in the day. Now he sounds like he barely tries and doesn't seem like he's that good anymore. Not that he was ever Dave Lombardo, but he's definitely not the drummer he once was.

If the goal of a lead guitarist is to play solos which are melodic, song-serving, and sound good, then Hammett is as good as anyone. Speed and precision are not as important as note selection and feel.

[Relinquish]

If the goal of a lead guitarist is to play solos which are melodic, song-serving, and sound good, then Hammett is as good as anyone. Speed and precision are not as important as note selection and feel.

Hammett is definitely a good guitarist but I wouldn

[RRR3]

If the goal of a lead guitarist is to play solos which are melodic, song-serving, and sound good, then Hammett is as good as anyone. Speed and precision are not as important as note selection and feel.
I think Hammett repeats himself too much personally. Not always a huge fan of his solos tbh. He has some killer ones though. Ride the Lightning is one of his best. I completely get what you mean though and I rank songwriting ability highly in terms of what makes a guitarist great.

[Overdrive]

Ha! The d minor fugue was the piece I predicted you would mention. Love it. But I must say it does leave me wondering if you know precisely which part I'm talking about from Eroica.

It would be a shame to not listen to this piece in its entirety, but the part I'm talking about is from about 8:50 until 9:30 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-uEjxxYtHo).

Of course there was some heavy shit that existed prior, but this feels like a "quantum leap forward". IMO, that whole symphonic movement is the greatest triumph in the history of music.

Was just posting songs that I thought were very heavy before Beethoven. I think overall Beethoven was the heaviest. Heavier than Wagner, who I absolutely don't like. 7th symphony, allegretto, that's his heaviest imo.

btw: I love how this again turned into a discussion about classical music between us.


Cliff was extremely proficient on bass though. Sure, he wasn't as technical as someone like John Myung in his bass lines, but dude could play the shit out of his instrument. James is a really good rhythm guitarist too. Kirk is a solid lead guitarist but there are definitely many better. Lars has always sounded kinda sloppy live but he used to be really energetic and I liked his playing back in the day. Now he sounds like he barely tries and doesn't seem like he's that good anymore. Not that he was ever Dave Lombardo, but he's definitely not the drummer he once was.

Cliff was a virtuoso in the thrash genre. James is definately a very very good to great rhythm guitar player. With most proficient I absolutely meant the aren't shit compared to bands like Dream Theater, but I honestly don't think that's what's needed to be a great band.

[Relinquish]

I take it we have a bunch of thrash fans here seeing as we got into a big discussion about Metallica, so what are some of your guys' favorite thrash bands and albums (outside of Metallica)? Bonus points for non-big 4.

[RRR3]

I take it we have a bunch of thrash fans here seeing as we got into a big discussion about Metallica, so what are some of your guys' favorite thrash bands and albums (outside of Metallica)? Bonus points for non-big 4.
I like Slayer the best besides Metallica as far as Thrash bands I’ve heard. Then Megadeth. Testament is really good too. I also like what I’ve heard from Anthrax, Overkill, Kreator, Sodom, Exodus and Wehrmacht. There are others I’m forgetting I’m sure. I think I liked Nuclear Assault. Oh yeah, Forbidden, Destruction, EvilDead, Xentrix, Annihilator, Death Angel, Sacrifice and Sadus are all good.

[Relinquish]

I like Slayer the best besides Metallica as far as Thrash bands I’ve heard. Then Megadeth. Testament is really good too. I also like what I’ve heard from Anthrax, Overkill, Kreator, Sodom, Exodus and Wehrmacht. There are others I’m forgetting I’m sure. I think I liked Nuclear Assault. Oh yeah, Forbidden, Destruction, EvilDead, Xentrix, Annihilator, Death Angel, Sacrifice and Sadus are all good.

Great list. Been meaning to check out Wehrmacht, the only band here I haven't heard. I love Annihilator, Kreator and Overkill the most out of these but all of these bands have ace albums that I like a lot. Any love for Coroner, Artillery, Demolition Hammer, Voivod, Morbid Saint, Razor, Sepultura, Heathen, Whiplash, Exumer? Love all of these bands.

[RRR3]

Great list. Been meaning to check out Wehrmacht, the only band here I haven't heard. I love Annihilator, Kreator and Overkill the most out of these but all of these bands have ace albums that I like a lot. Any love for Coroner, Artillery, Demolition Hammer, Voivod, Morbid Saint, Razor, Sepultura, Heathen, Whiplash, Exumer? Love all of these bands.
I have only listened to Sepultura and Voivod from that list. Sepultura are badass, I guess I just don’t think of them when I think of thrash bands. Their earlier stuff is definitely thrashy, but some of it could easily be called death metal too. I loved their groove metal album Chaos AD and Roots is cool. Voivod are good. They are kinda weird. My friend adores them.

[Relinquish]

I have only listened to Sepultura and Voivod from that list. Sepultura are badass, I guess I just don’t think of them when I think of thrash bands. Their earlier stuff is definitely thrashy, but some of it could easily be called death metal too. I loved their groove metal album Chaos AD and Roots is cool. Voivod are good. They are kinda weird. My friend adores them.

Yea Sepultura definitely floats into death metal territory a bit while still being predominately thrash. I love their first 4 albums and Bestial Devastation, really great heavy aggressive thrash. Morbid Visions and BD are also very influential to death/black metal. Can't really get into Chaos AD or the stuff after, sadly. Voivod is a great band with such a diverse discog. Killing Technology and Dimension Hatross are my favs, but I like a ton of their stuff.

Definitely check out some of those other bands, they all have killer stuff. If you want recommendations for where to start I can hook you up.

[RRR3]

Yea Sepultura definitely floats into death metal territory a bit while still being predominately thrash. I love their first 4 albums and Bestial Devastation, really great heavy aggressive thrash. Morbid Visions and BD are also very influential to death/black metal. Can't really get into Chaos AD or the stuff after, sadly. Voivod is a great band with such a diverse discog. Killing Technology and Dimension Hatross are my favs, but I like a ton of their stuff.

Definitely check out some of those other bands, they all have killer stuff. If you want recommendations for where to start I can hook you up.
Sure give me your recommendations man.


Also got any more doom bands? That’s my favorite type of metal if you couldn’t guess :lol

[Relinquish]

Sure give me your recommendations man.


Also got any more doom bands? That’s my favorite type of metal if you couldn’t guess :lol

Coroner - Punishment for Decadence, Mental Vortex for more prog
Artillery - By Inheritance
Demolition Hammer - Epidemic of Violence
Morbid Saint - Spectrum of Death
Razor - Violent Restitution
Heathen - Victims of Deception
Whiplash - Power and Pain
Exumer - Possessed By Fire

For some doom that you didn't mention earlier, check out

Solitude Aeturnus - first 3 albums
Trouble - first 2 and Manic Frustrations for stoner
Cirith Ungol - King of the Dead (kind of trad + doom)
Magic Circle - first 2
The Obsessed - first 3 (wino project)
Spirit Caravan (wino project) for some stoner (everything, start with Jug Fulla Sun)
Down - Nola
Heaven and Hell - The Devil You Know (basically another Sabbath album with Dio but doomy)
High On Fire - Blessed Black Wings for doomier, Death Is This Communion and De Vermis Mysteriis for a bit thrashier
Inter Arma - The Cavern (post/sludge/prog single song epic)
Spiritual Beggars - Mantra III for stoner

[Patrick Chewing]

https://www.angrymetalguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Death-Angel_Humanicide-300x300.jpg


:rockon:

[Bawkish]

Loved Sepultura, especially the Max Cavalera days

this band, Rage Against the Machine & System of a Down are few metal bands who tackle socio-political issues

[Overdrive]

https://www.angrymetalguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Death-Angel_Humanicide-300x300.jpg


:rockon:

Love them, gotta check it out.

[Relinquish]

https://www.angrymetalguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Death-Angel_Humanicide-300x300.jpg


:rockon:

Good album, although I still like The Dream Calls For Blood more for their newer stuff.

[TheMan]

I take it we have a bunch of thrash fans here seeing as we got into a big discussion about Metallica, so what are some of your guys' favorite thrash bands and albums (outside of Metallica)? Bonus points for non-big 4.
By the Big 4 you mean Megadeth, Metallica, Slayer and Anthrax...not a big Slayer fan myself, not a fan of the over the top Satanic overtones. I like some Testament, Sepultura and some Carcass. Early Exodus is cool too.

Overall more a classic metal fan, don't like much the Black/Death Metal bands, I like my metal with at least a hint of a melody (after all I consider the Beatles my GOAT), those bands just want to shock with their disgusting Satanic imagery and rotting corpses crap. Talentless hacks IMO.

[Prometheus]

The Satanism is the only good thing about those shitty bands :lol

[TheMan]

The Satanism is the only good thing about those shitty bands :lol
You can do great metal without that crappy satanism shit (Megadeth)...Black Sabbath are not satanists, they used those themes to tell a story through song, same with Iron Maiden etc but some of those Black metal bands profess to be satanists...I refuse to listen to those bands.

[Prometheus]

You can do great metal without that crappy satanism shit (Megadeth)...Black Sabbath are not satanists, they used those themes to tell a story through song, same with Iron Maiden etc but some of those Black metal bands profess to be satanists...I refuse to listen to those bands.

That's religious discrimination :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

You can do great metal without that crappy satanism shit (Megadeth)...Black Sabbath are not satanists, they used those themes to tell a story through song, same with Iron Maiden etc but some of those Black metal bands profess to be satanists...I refuse to listen to those bands.


All those bands sound like shit anyway. :oldlol:

Outside of a few Death Metal bands like Bolt Thrower, Morbid Angel, and Amon Amarth that play with a lot of melody and groove, the DM and BM genre is just a mess of screeching/growling vocals and crazy, unorganized guitar work.

And I do think the Satanic and dark imagery does hurt the genre too.

[pauk]

Lettuce bee cereous, Black Sabbath.

[Relinquish]

Overall more a classic metal fan, don't like much the Black/Death Metal bands, I like my metal with at least a hint of a melody (after all I consider the Beatles my GOAT), those bands just want to shock with their disgusting Satanic imagery and rotting corpses crap. Talentless hacks IMO.

I’m not sure how they are all “talentless hacks” if many of them make good, well executed music. Lyrical content isn’t important to a lot of people (myself included), especially metal fans. Obviously, in something like hip-hop or folk, lyrics are more important. Personally I don’t care if music is satanic or done for shock value so long as I enjoy the music, since I ignore lyrics most of the time anyway. It’s also important to note that people aren’t necessarily satanists for writing satanic lyrics, I mean Slayer are devout Catholics and write their lyrics to be tongue and cheek.

[Patrick Chewing]

Lettuce bee cereous, Black Sabbath.


Let us be serious, you don't listen to Metal.


:lol

[RRR3]

What’s wrong with Satanism?

[JBSptfn]

Metal died when Guns N' Roses came along and people said, "Now THIS is talent"

That makes more sense then saying that Nirvana killed metal (or, specifically, what I call Party Metal).

[Brujesino]

So many sub genres of metal its way to hard to choose one band.

Pantera? Static-X? Ghost? all different sounding bands all different types of metal.

[Relinquish]

So many sub genres of metal its way to hard to choose one band.

Pantera? Static-X? Ghost? all different sounding bands all different types of metal.

Agreed. The best you can do is pick favorites from the different subgenres imo, as

[pauk]

Let us be serious, you don't listen to Metal.


:lol

Why not? I am no long haired skinny jeans all black sporting devil horn hand raising headbanger, but i love music and listen to any genre, as long as it sounds good to the ears... whatever it is... i love rock/metal, mostly old stuff, black sabbath is for me numero uno closely followed by iron maiden, metallica.. led zep (perhaps not metal but whatevs)... and then there are 100s of tracks from random bands i absolutely loved, black sabbath may be nr1 for me but they dont necessarily have even 1 of my top 5 all-time favorite metal tracks in there... you know... there are some bands albums i heard in which i disliked 99% of the tracks but that 1% is my all-time favorite metal/rock song... much of the Mot

[MrC1991]

Fear Factory, yo.

[HylianNightmare]

Playing music at light speed doesn't make it good. It's mostly jerking your instrument off when you play that way. You scoff at Pantera, but they're better. Less technical, but much more musical.

Also it doesn't imply that it's all the same to say that most of it sucks.

And congrats on saying something that every 14yo who is exposed to music would say. I'm sure your understanding of musical and lyrical quality at 14 was very sophisticated.

Does anyone else find it interesting how many metal bands seem obsessed with Saturn? Why that planet, specifically?
I mean i love Pantera but I don't know how you can deny these tech bands. The musicianship is outstanding, the vocals are amazing. Oh well not allot of people in here into that genre of metal anyways I can see

[egokiller]

How do you define best?

Overall I'd say Metallica.

Not my favourite, although I love their first 4, but they have the name, more iconic songs than any other Metal band, bigger than any other. They hit the mainstream with AJFA, which was still a very if not their heaviest album.

Maiden is 2nd for the same reasons.

Fav band is probably Slayer, but fav album is Sepultura's Arise.
Thrash and melodic death are my fav genres, spiced with some NWOBHM and whatever Maiden, Iced Earth(imo they're too thrashy for the power metal label) and Opeth are.

A respectable choice indeed.

[Relinquish]

I mean i love Pantera but I don't know how you can deny these tech bands. The musicianship is outstanding, the vocals are amazing. Oh well not allot of people in here into that genre of metal anyways I can see

I

[Patrick Chewing]

Yo have you guys checked out the latest Xentrix album??


Killer

[HylianNightmare]

[QUOTE=Relinquish]I

[Prometheus]

Why are all these metal bands obsessed with Saturn? Why that planet?

[highwhey]

Why are all these metal bands obsessed with Saturn? Why that planet?
Saturn has heavy deposits of iron.

[Relinquish]

Yo have you guys checked out the latest Xentrix album??


Killer

I'll give it a listen. Classic Xentrix is good stuff.

[Dinosaurus]

eyehategod

[GimmeThat]

should Dr. Seuss only be known for his most famous publications, or should he remain famous for his pen name

[TheMan]

eyehategod
I saw this band when they opened for Pantera back in the day...the Pantera crowd wasn't too friendly to them. I wasn't impressed either...

[Prometheus]

There has got to be some reason that Saturn is such a recurring theme with metal bands. It definitely has nothing to do with what highwey said, which isn't even true.

WHY SATURN? It seems so random if you stick to what is commonly held as "knowledge".

There is no reason to think it is a coincidence.

[Patrick Chewing]

Where the hell is Saturn a coincidence with most Metal bands?

[Akeem34TheDream]

There has got to be some reason that Saturn is such a recurring theme with metal bands. It definitely has nothing to do with what highwey said, which isn't even true.

WHY SATURN? It seems so random if you stick to what is commonly held as "knowledge".

There is no reason to think it is a coincidence.
It has a ring to it.

[Prometheus]

Where the hell is Saturn a coincidence with most Metal bands?

I didn't say most, but there certainly seem to be a number of them. You have the band "Rings of Saturn" and another one called "Saturn". And I don't feel like combing back through the thread to find which ones it was, but a few of the songs I checked out from other artists ITT had Saturn in the title. "The Grudge" by Tool references Saturn over and over again. I tend not to recall names of artists I don't enjoy, and as I said earlier, I don't like most metal music. But I have seen it referenced enough by bands to recognize it as a recurring theme.

[Patrick Chewing]

https://i2.wp.com/metalinjection.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Diamond-Head_Coffin-Train-.jpg

New DH album. Very groovy and catchy. Digging it.

[stalkerforlife]

Metallica rules.

[SATAN]

Hard to say but it wouldn't be a glam metal band...

[Patrick Chewing]

What’s wrong with Satanism?

And RRR3 denies that SATAN is his alt. :lol

[RRR3]

And RRR3 denies that SATAN is his alt. :lol
You literally referred to us as separate posters earlier, your don’t even believe you own bullshit. Dude is much older than me you should have realized that from the other thread.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Poopsie still listens to metal?

God, I had no idea he was that old.

[Patrick Chewing]

Poopsie still listens to metal?

God, I had no idea he was that old.

What do you listen to? Katy Perry?? :roll:

[TheMan]

What do you listen to? Katy Perry?? :roll:

:milton

Too hard-core, he strikes me as a Taylor Swift fanboi

[Patrick Chewing]

:milton

Too hard-core, he strikes me as a Taylor Swift fanboi

:oldlol:

He's probably dying his hair green right now to one of her songs.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Poopsie is one of those old, fat, balding, geriatrics who go to the county fair to see what remains of Judas Priest along his fellow aging, near death dinosaurs.

[Lakers Legend#32]

:oldlol:

He's probably dying his hair green right now to one of her songs.

Poopsie wishes he still had any hair left to color green.

Oh well there is the hair on his back.

[Patrick Chewing]

Poopsie wishes he still had any hair left to color green.

Oh well there is the hair on his back.

So you do dye your hair green?

[Overdrive]

Poopsie is one of those old, fat, balding, geriatrics who go to the county fair to see what remains of Judas Priest along his fellow aging, near death dinosaurs.

And you're the kind of person who listens to whatever is fresh on the radio and has no personal taste by yourself what so ever. Keep being told by others what's cool. That's definately the main ingredient for an interesting personality.

[fsvr54]

This album is up there. I haven't listened to much metal since my teenage years though...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP_nGIldc88&t=6s

[Lakers Legend#32]

And you're the kind of person who listens to whatever is fresh on the radio and has no personal taste by yourself what so ever. Keep being told by others what's cool. That's definately the main ingredient for an interesting personality.

And your the type that fears change.

[Patrick Chewing]

https://i2.wp.com/metalinjection.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Diamond-Head_Coffin-Train-.jpg

New DH album. Very groovy and catchy. Digging it.

What the hell band am I referring to here?? I'm losing my memory.

[Patrick Chewing]

This album is up there. I haven't listened to much metal since my teenage years though...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP_nGIldc88&t=6s

This album is in my Top 3 albums of all time.

[Overdrive]

And your the type that fears change.

No, I don't. I listen to enough modern bands and anything new gets a chance to convince me.

[Patrick Chewing]

What the hell band am I referring to here?? I'm losing my memory.

Diamond Head!

[Overdrive]

Diamond Head!

Which one? The latest was the rerecording of Lightning and I didn't really like that.
They also took the original Lightning off spotify and it's hard to find either a cd or vinyl of the 1980 one.

[Patrick Chewing]

Which one? The latest was the rerecording of Lightning and I didn't really like that.
They also took the original Lightning off spotify and it's hard to find either a cd or vinyl of the 1980 one.

The Coffin Train


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNETiW_ZMeg

[fsvr54]

This album is in my Top 3 albums of all time.

:rockon:

[Overdrive]

The Coffin Train


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNETiW_ZMeg

Pretty proggy/metal core timbre sans growl parts. Not my cup of tea, but very interesting considering where they're coming from. I can't deal with the singer though. Was the most off putting thing about the 2020 Lightning.

That said I just found out the remastered the original one, but pretty sure drums and guit are dubs.

[RRR3]

Not a huge Diamond Head guy but they are incredibly important historically

[post]

Hard to say but it wouldn't be a glam metal band...

no one said van halen

[post]

are you even alive if you don't like van halen and motley crue

[Lakers Legend#32]

no one said van halen

You mean Van Hagar.

[SATAN]

are you even alive if you don't like van halen and motley crue

Most people don't care much about them if we're being honest.

[Patrick Chewing]

Van Halen and Motley Crue are Platinum several times over, so most people do care about them unlike what that idiot above me thinks.

[SATAN]

A few million records in a world of billions of people.

Also it's 2022, fatboy.

[Lakers Legend#32]

I thought there was suppose to be a poll?

[post]

You mean Van Hagar.

even eddie's death probably won't end that war

[post]

Most people don't care much about them if we're being honest.

everybody wants some

[post]

Van Halen and Motley Crue are Platinum several times over, so most people do care about them unlike what that idiot above me thinks.

especially women

[post]

A few million records in a world of billions of people.

Also it's 2022, fatboy.

think about it though

johnny b. goode was shot into space in 1977

van halen was used as the sound of the alien future in back to the future

for all we know most of the universe has already been taken over by them

[post]

van jackson was a one hit wonder

goat potential though


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRdxUFDoQe0

[Hey Yo]

I may have missed something but nobody even mentioned Led Zeppelin.

They rate up there for sure. Heavy as it gets.

Zeppelin gets the label of Hard Rock.

[TheMan]

everybody wants some

I want some too...

[post]

I want some too...

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LikableYellowishGartersnake-size_restricted.gif

[post]

Zeppelin gets the label of Hard Rock.

like aerosmith who didn't get a mention

but some would call both metal

doesn't really matter to me

[post]

Metal died when Guns N' Roses came along and people said, "Now THIS is talent"

they lived fast and died young

[Patrick Chewing]

I want some too...

https://media4.giphy.com/media/t63nX285ktHna/200.gif?cid=6c09b9526iovf476xs3m7cb8pqrn2jih6oqr0t t761eoge72&rid=200.gif

[post]

just because


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhsK5WExrnE&t=4s

[post]

I’m not sure how they are all “talentless hacks” if many of them make good, well executed music. Lyrical content isn’t important to a lot of people (myself included), especially metal fans. Obviously, in something like hip-hop or folk, lyrics are more important. Personally I don’t care if music is satanic or done for shock value so long as I enjoy the music, since I ignore lyrics most of the time anyway. It’s also important to note that people aren’t necessarily satanists for writing satanic lyrics, I mean Slayer are devout Catholics and write their lyrics to be tongue and cheek.

kerry king would lol if you called him a devout catholic

[Overdrive]

Overall more a classic metal fan, don't like much the Black/Death Metal bands, I like my metal with at least a hint of a melody (after all I consider the Beatles my GOAT), those bands just want to shock with their disgusting Satanic imagery and rotting corpses crap. Talentless hacks IMO.

Most of them are not by any standard. You may dislike their philosophy or imagery, but most bigger DM bands have very skilled musicians.

You think a guy like this can't play Dear Prudence?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuH6V3z-V6Y

[TheMan]

Most of them are not by any standard. You may dislike their philosophy or imagery, but most bigger DM bands have very skilled musicians.

You think a guy like this can't play Dear Prudence?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuH6V3z-V6Y

There is no shortage of skilled musicians, never has been...however writing music that is enjoyed by generations of music fans worldwide throughout the years? That is talent on a different level. I've often said this to other musicians, I would rather have the song writing skills of a John Lennon or Paul McCartney over the technical skills the best technical players today have, look at YouTube, tons of kids can play note for note the guitar solos legends like Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, Ritchie Blackmore, Randy Rhoads etc wrote BUT the hard part was writing the songs and the solos. Copying is easy, writing the material from scratch, that's the hard part. That guy in the video wouldn't have any difficulty playing A Day In The Life but can he come up with a song on that caliber? I seriously doubt it.

[Overdrive]

There is no shortage of skilled musicians, never has been...however writing music that is enjoyed by generations of music fans worldwide throughout the years? That is talent on a different level. I've often said this to other musicians, I would rather have the song writing skills of a John Lennon or Paul McCartney over the technical skills the best technical players today have, look at YouTube, tons of kids can play note for note the guitar solos legends like Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, Ritchie Blackmore, Randy Rhoads etc wrote BUT the hard part was writing the songs and the solos. Copying is easy, writing the material from scratch, that's the hard part. That guy in the video wouldn't have any difficulty playing A Day In The Life but can he come up with a song on that caliber? I seriously doubt it.

You called them talentless, while they obviously aren't. Now you're acting like songwriting is the only thing that takes talent.

Of course the Beatles wrote great songs and I'm in the camp that believes that songwriting is way more important than technical skill, but there is also a decent amount of well written DM songs and it's not like it isn't enjoyed by generations of music fans. Also who says these bands couldn't write such songs if it was what they wanted to do? The Beatles always get brought up in songwriting discussions as some form of pinnacle of songwriting.

Don't get me wrong, they're undeniably fantastic, but guys like Jeff Lyne, the Gibb Brothers, Glimmer Twins, Björn Ulvaeus, Queen any of CNSY among many others - too many too mention - are on a similar level regardless if I like their music. And those are artists that filled albums with well written songs. Now in regard of having the ability to write a few? Endless amount of bands. So you think guys that have the technical skills couldn't come up with stuff like Help! or Yesterday? Even once in their career?

The guy in the video isn't some random youtube musician, that's the bass player of Cannibal Corpse.

[SATAN]

There is no shortage of skilled musicians, never has been...however writing music that is enjoyed by generations of music fans worldwide throughout the years? That is talent on a different level. I've often said this to other musicians, I would rather have the song writing skills of a John Lennon or Paul McCartney over the technical skills the best technical players today have, look at YouTube, tons of kids can play note for note the guitar solos legends like Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, Ritchie Blackmore, Randy Rhoads etc wrote BUT the hard part was writing the songs and the solos. Copying is easy, writing the material from scratch, that's the hard part. That guy in the video wouldn't have any difficulty playing A Day In The Life but can he come up with a song on that caliber? I seriously doubt it.

Stick to pop music.

[post]

hammer smashed face vs. imagine

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WaterloggedAnxiousKakapo-size_restricted.gif

[SATAN]

You can always make a rock and roll thread, you boring ****.

[post]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvLhcJO4Gy4

[TheMan]

Stick to pop music.

You don't even like metal, what are you on about, kid?

I enjoy many types, old school metal happens to be my favorite genre. Doesn't mean I can't enjoy some Radiohead :confusedshrug:

[post]

death was the black sabbath of death metal if anyone was wondering

[Overdrive]

death was the black sabbath of death metal if anyone was wondering


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MApUxJQcu3A

[SATAN]

You don't even like metal, what are you on about, kid?



I can play everything posted in this thread, dickhead. Loved metal since I was little.

Casual listeners have no business trying to school actual metal fans on metal.

You like Iron Maiden. Congratulations.

[TheMan]

I can play everything posted in this thread, dickhead. Loved metal since I was little.

Casual listeners have no business trying to school actual metal fans on metal.

You like Iron Maiden. Congratulations.

I've been listening to metal since before you were born you punk. I have also played in bands. I don't need to prove myself to scrubs like you.

[SATAN]

You've been acting that way throughout this thread though. It's embarrassing for metal when guys like you try to tell other metal fans what's good and what isn't when you're clearly being ignorant and pissing on actual good musicians. Who gives a shit if you don't understand why other people like their music.

You are a disgrace.

Stick to pop music.

And ****ing your cousin.

[post]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MApUxJQcu3A

the led zeppelin of death metal


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1xGCWHJeDY

[TheMan]

You've been acting that way throughout this thread though. It's embarrassing for metal when guys like you try to tell other metal fans what's good and what isn't when you're clearly being ignorant and pissing on actual good musicians. Who gives a shit if you don't understand why other people like their music.

You are a disgrace.

Stick to pop music.

And ****ing your cousin.

This from the edgy guy who calls himself SATAN...stop being a try hard, noob. You aren't impressing no one.


https://youtu.be/i1FCVcWJW74

I knew these guys back in the day, they're from the same city in MX I live in today, we gigged a few times, friendly guys but even back then while throwing down some cold ones and talking shit, I thought their music sucked and they knew it too. I don't get it, it sounds like a mess and the vocals, if you can call it that, sounds like guttural noises from the pits of hell, all black/death metal bands sound the same...hard pass, bro.

[post]

This from the edgy guy who calls himself SATAN...stop being a try hard, noob. You aren't impressing no one.


https://youtu.be/i1FCVcWJW74

I knew these guys back in the day, they're from the same city in MX I live in today, we gigged a few times, friendly guys but even back then while throwing down some cold ones and talking shit, I thought their music sucked and they knew it too. I don't get it, it sounds like a mess and the vocals, if you can call it that, sounds like guttural noises from the pits of hell, all black/death metal bands sound the same...hard pass, bro.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AggressiveSinfulGrayfox-size_restricted.gif

[Overdrive]

all black/death metal bands sound the same...hard pass, bro.

Sure


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx3g5GkDKP8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adOWWbEfyiQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZa6sodnenk

[Overdrive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpbpOgUybBM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJERkL8Qmyg

You think these sound alike?

[TheMan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpbpOgUybBM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJERkL8Qmyg

You think these sound alike?

I actually do like some Carcass, bought that CD when it came out in the 90s. Still overall, those bands aren't my cup of tea.

[SATAN]

This from the edgy guy who calls himself SATAN...stop being a try hard, noob. You aren't impressing no one.


https://youtu.be/i1FCVcWJW74

I knew these guys back in the day, they're from the same city in MX I live in today, we gigged a few times, friendly guys but even back then while throwing down some cold ones and talking shit, I thought their music sucked and they knew it too. I don't get it, it sounds like a mess and the vocals, if you can call it that, sounds like guttural noises from the pits of hell, all black/death metal bands sound the same...hard pass, bro.

No they don't.

Go practice tying your shoe laces. ****ing idiot.

The fact this guy has lasted this long is crazy.

[SATAN]

I actually do like some Carcass, bought that CD when it came out in the 90s. Still overall, those bands aren't my cup of tea.

No one cares though.

Why the hell you are trying to lecture people about music? You're music taste isn't superior.

Poseurs like you are cancer.

[TheMan]

No one cares though.

Why the hell you are trying to lecture people about music? You're music taste isn't superior.

Poseurs like you are cancer.

:roll:

Seething

Fukk off, c*nt

[Overdrive]

IStill overall, those bands aren't my cup of tea.

That's absolutely fine. Just saying they all sound the same and are talentless is just wrong.

[post]

Sure


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx3g5GkDKP8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adOWWbEfyiQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZa6sodnenk

what was the unavailable one

[post]

I actually do like some Carcass, bought that CD when it came out in the 90s. Still overall, those bands aren't my cup of tea.

heartwork and swansong were great but satan might think those were sell out albums

[Overdrive]

what was the unavailable one

They're all available for me.

It's Atheist - Unquestionable Presence, Opeth - The Moor and Death - Zombie Ritual.

[post]

They're all available for me.

It's Atheist - Unquestionable Presence, Opeth - The Moor and Death - Zombie Ritual.

atheist one wasn't showing up for me

heard it many times though

[SATAN]

heartwork and swansong were great but satan might think those were sell out albums

They were fine albums. I don't think they tried to sell out.

[Overdrive]

They were fine albums. I don't think they tried to sell out.

Tough to sell out when they basically invented a whole genre with Heartwork. It's definately up there with the GOAT metal albums.

[post]

Tough to sell out when they basically invented a whole genre with Heartwork. It's definately up there with the GOAT metal albums.

yeah probably depends on what year of my life or day of the week you ask me

right now i could say appetite for destruction

[Avinash]

Metallica

[post]

Metallica


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwogWsNFGLI

[bison]

Burzum or Enslaved

[SATAN]

I'm posting this because it's very interesting to say the least. It's AI generated technical death metal streaming 24/7. This is ****in' crazy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwtVkPKx3RA

EDIT: Should have mentioned it's based on Archspire. Makes me wonder what else it can do with other bands put into whatever this thing is.

[post]

I'm posting this because it's very interesting to say the least. It's AI generated technical death metal streaming 24/7. This is ****in' crazy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwtVkPKx3RA

EDIT: Should have mentioned it's based on Archspire. Makes me wonder what else it can do with other bands put into whatever this thing is.

scary cool funny

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NegligibleSoupyDinosaur-size_restricted.gif

never heard of that band but just listened to their latest album and i'd say thumbs up

[post]

listened to the last 2 archspire albums and i have to say pretty impressed

the name makes me think of a band called spiral architect

they only put out 1 album more than 20 years ago but it caught my ear


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cTexJ7zq74

[post]

don't think anyone mentioned slipknot

saw them open for black sabbath a long time ago

more recent good show


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO3j9niG1Og

[post]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flqTCChLLiU

[post]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3h86YunhXc

[SATAN]

Hell always seemed underrated to me. Andy Sneap bringing them back from the dead has been interesting.