'19 KD/Kawhi or '98 Jordan

[StrongLurk]

Would you take KD and or Kawhi from this past year over 98 Jordan? I would take both honestly.

[Carbine]

98 Jordan was less efficient and all the numbers probably say the other two were better but Id still take Mike Jordan. I want him on my team when it counts.

[Indian guy]

Statistically it's really not that close. And I recently binged MJ's entire '98 playoff run. He had declined quite a bit from the prior 2 seasons.

KD and Kawhi comfortably.

[Carbine]

He didn't decline as an offensive player. He shot better and scored more in '98 playoffs than previous two runs.

Unless you think his defense was heavily declined from the previous two years (I don't) than that's not really an accurate statement to make.

He LOOKED his best in the first title run physically of the last three peat, but he was not a worse player in '98 I don't think. He just had to rely on a little more skill and smarts to drop his 32 a game in the playoffs.

[sdot_thadon]

I might take Kd over him not so sure about Kawhi. He was still carrying a considerable load in 98 I don't think Leonard has carried yet.

[superduper]

I might take Kd over him not so sure about Kawhi. He was still carrying a considerable load in 98 I don't think Leonard has carried yet.

KD only had to carry the load of a 73 win team

[3ball]

............PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR


.............................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)<--- links to nba.com

KAWHI 2019...... 32.3 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/)..... 37.7 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 34.4 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 37.7 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 30.0 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 30.3 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)


Kawhi's burden was nowhere near MJ's at any point in the season, especially in the 4th...

Nobody's burden matched MJ's.. None of you understand how much better MJ is than everyone... Btw, MJ's burden blows KD's away, at ANY point in his career, let alone on his super-team Warriors

[sdot_thadon]

KD only had to carry the load of a 73 win team
Kd is one of the greatest scorers to ever live and he can carry a team any night it needs be done. Have we really seen that from Kawhi just yet? I don't think so.

[3ball]

Kd is one of the greatest scorers to ever live and he can carry a team any night it needs be done. Have we really seen that from Kawhi just yet? I don't think so.
Kawhi > KD

He can punish defenders in the paint and Durant can't... Plus better D

[sdot_thadon]

Kawhi > KD

He can punish defenders in the paint and Durant can't... Plus better D
His advantage on defense is similar to KD's advantage on offense.

[3ball]

His advantage on defense is similar to KD's advantage on offense.
KD is inferior offensively... He can't carry an offense like kawhi because he can't physically overpower... And his post game is weaker - an underachieving turnaround

The warriors were perfect for KD so he could take easy jumpers all day and not carry shit

But we'll agree to disagree... :cheers:

About to post 17' Durant, 19' Kawhi and 98' Jordan's percentage of team points scored....

[sdot_thadon]

KD is inferior offensively...
didn't need to read a single word beyond that. :oldlol: Retirement hasn't done you so well bro.

[3ball]

............PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR


.............................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)<--- links to nba.com

KAWHI 2019...... 32.3 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/)..... 37.7 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 34.4 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 37.7 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 30.0 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 30.3 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)

DURANT 2017... 29.7 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 33.3 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 30.4 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 37.7 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 33.8 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 46.0 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)


No one is close to MJ's burden... And Durant can't carry a team like kawhi or Jordan... Lacks the necessary physical dominance, so the warriors were perfect for him

[3ball]

didn't need to read a single word beyond that. :oldlol: Retirement hasn't done you so well bro.
It's funny you guys think you know about basketball

[And1AllDay]

for the last mf time

mike jordan was good for the 90s
mike jordan was special for the 90s

he would be demar in the modern era so your asking if id rather have kd, kawhi, or demar derozan

stop it

[And1AllDay]

didn't need to read a single word beyond that. :oldlol: Retirement hasn't done you so well bro.

:oldlol: :roll: :roll:

[3ball]

for the last mf time

mike jordan was good for the 90s
mike jordan was special for the 90s

he would be demar in the modern era so your asking if id rather have kd, kawhi, or demar derozan

stop it
MJ is the consensus goat because at 35 years old, he was easily better than current kawhi Leonard

But honestly, i just wanted to quote your post to show how goat MJ is

[3ball]

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Playoffs

98' Jordan... 32.4 ppg.. 28.1 PER.. 0.265 ws/48
19' Kawhi..... 30.5 ppg.. 27.9 PER.. 0.249 ws/48
17' Durant.... 28.5 ppg.. 27.5 PER.. 0.280 ws/48

MJ's scoring edge was a lot more when you account for pace

And MJ achieved those stats while carrying a far bigger burden, as shown below:



............PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR


.............................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)<--- links to nba.com

KAWHI 2019...... 32.3 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/)..... 37.7 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 34.4 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 37.7 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 30.0 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 30.3 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)

DURANT 2017... 29.7 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 33.3 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 30.4 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 37.7 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 33.8 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 46.0 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)


No one is close to MJ's burden... And Durant can't carry a team like kawhi or Jordan... Lacks the necessary physical dominance, so the warriors were perfect for his jumpshooting game
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[Dr Hawk]

I would take Jordan.

[clipps]

35 year old MJ is getting compared to the best player on the Clippers? What a time:rockon: . Let's get a few 3 peats.:bowdown: LOLakers are trash:oldlol:

[Manny98]

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Playoffs

98' Jordan... 32.4 ppg.. 28.1 PER.. 0.265 ws/48
19' Kawhi..... 30.5 ppg.. 27.9 PER.. 0.249 ws/48
17' Durant.... 28.5 ppg.. 27.5 PER.. 0.280 ws/48

MJ's scoring edge was a lot more when you account for pace

And MJ achieved those stats while carrying a far bigger burden, as shown below:



............PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR


.............................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)<--- links to nba.com

KAWHI 2019...... 32.3 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/)..... 37.7 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 34.4 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 37.7 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 30.0 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 30.3 (https://stats.nba.com/player/202695/usage/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)

DURANT 2017... 29.7 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 33.3 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 30.4 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 37.7 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 33.8 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 46.0 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)


No one is close to MJ's burden... And Durant can't carry a team like kawhi or Jordan... Lacks the necessary physical dominance, so the warriors were perfect for his jumpshooting game
..
KD had a higher WS/48 than 98 MJ and was much more efficient 68%TS to Jordans pathetic 54%TS so overall KD wins :applause:

[Phoenix]

KD had a higher WS/48 than 98 MJ and was much more efficient 68%TS to Jordans pathetic 54%TS so overall KD wins :applause:

You can quote 10 different advanced stats that favor KD till your hearts content. The Warriors record with KD and no Steph is extremely mediocre. The shittiest thing that happened to the Warriors this postseason wasn't even Durant getting injured, it was Klay in the finals because that disrupted their opportunity to prove once and for all that he was never anything more than overkill, and not a *necessity*, to them winning championships or at least being a finals team.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kawhi is the best defender of the three, but also the worst offensively. The gap in offense is larger than on defense too.

Jordan also carried a heavier offensive burden. His ability to get consistent looks and beat double teams is why I think, in the end, I'd take him over Kawhi.

Durant is tough because of the injury. That's probably a coin flip. I say that because we don't know HOW good he is without being crewed up. We know that Durant is all world and the best scorer today. But...better than Jordan?

Yup. I'll go heads or tails.

[Vino24]

give KD a defender like Stockton and he averages 50ppg for the series

[superduper]

Kawhi is the best defender of the three, but also the worst offensively. The gap in offense is larger than on defense too.

Jordan also carried a heavier offensive burden. His ability to get consistent looks and beat double teams is why I think, in the end, I'd take him over Kawhi.

Durant is tough because of the injury. That's probably a coin flip. I say that because we don't know HOW good he is without being crewed up. We know that Durant is all world and the best scorer today. But...better than Jordan?

Yup. I'll go heads or tails.

Man, I know that Jordan and Durant are literally the two GOAT scorers of all time and it is next to impossible for anyone to even come close to matching their offensive level but people are really under rating what Kawhi did offensively not just this past playoffs but also in his last playoffs with the Spurs. The dude has proven that he has developed the skillset that all ATG scorers have. If anything I would say Kawhi's difference in defensive impact is about as equal to his slightly inferior scoring compared to KD/MJ.

[Phoenix]

Kawhi is the best defender of the three, but also the worst offensively. The gap in offense is larger than on defense too.

Jordan also carried a heavier offensive burden. His ability to get consistent looks and beat double teams is why I think, in the end, I'd take him over Kawhi.

Durant is tough because of the injury. That's probably a coin flip. I say that because we don't know HOW good he is without being crewed up. We know that Durant is all world and the best scorer today. But...better than Jordan?

Yup. I'll go heads or tails.

We know he's a great frontrunner. At nearly 31 he has yet to prove he can lead a team built from the ground up around him to championships. The Warriors record with and without him( when Steph is or isn't playing) is so far skewed towards Steph being the overall catalyst that it's laughable to suggest KD isn't anything more than overkill.

So his efficiency numbers and all these other fancy advanced metrics pulled out of air don't answer the one thing we use to measure all the GOAT level players.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

@superduper

Still rather have Durant/Jordan because of their offense. And I think the difference is bigger than "slightly". Defensively? Agree to disagree. All three are pretty close regardless imo.


We know he's a great frontrunner. At nearly 31 he has yet to prove he can lead a team built from the ground up around him to championships. The Warriors record with and without him( when Steph is or isn't playing) is so far skewed towards Steph being the overall catalyst that it's laughable to suggest KD isn't anything more than overkill.

So his efficiency numbers and all these other fancy advanced metrics pulled out of air don't answer the one thing we use to measure all the GOAT level players.

From the ground up? How about a team without overwhelming talent :oldlol: The 2017 Warriors were unnecessarily stacked. And their playoff record showed.

His efficiency numbers are definitely overrated.

That said?

I have more faith in Durant's offense than in Kawhi's. Naturally Kawhi is the better defender but KD had a lot of impact on that end these last 2 or so years.

[r0drig0lac]

KD only had to carry the load of a 73 win team
this...lol in "Durant carrying something"


Kd is one of the greatest scorers to ever live and he can carry a team any night it needs be done. Have we really seen that from Kawhi just yet? I don't think so.
Kawhi vs 76ers >>> any Durant ever

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2013-nba-western-conference-semifinals-grizzlies-vs-thunder.html

the only series in Durant's career where he had to "carry" something

[Phoenix]

From the ground up? How about a team without overwhelming talent :oldlol: The 2017 Warriors were unnecessarily stacked. And their playoff record showed.

His efficiency numbers are definitely overrated.

That said?

I have more faith in Durant's offense than in Kawhi's. Naturally Kawhi is the better defender but KD had a lot of impact on that end these last 2 or so years.

I was being generous. Reality is KD has always had very good to great talent around him. You could have put Paul George on the 2017 Warriors and they're probably winning in 6. They wouldn't sweep the conference, but they'd comfortably win without being seriously threatened. Even the Cavs single win in 2017 needed a historically great aberration of a 3point shooting night so for all purposes, they swept through the playoffs.

As far as scoring, KD is the more talented scorer/shooter in a vaccum but Kawhi has a stronger build which means he can 'muscle' his way into scoring better than KD can, which is advantageous in the playoffs. KD's biggest advantage is he is too tall for just about any defender to disrupt his shot outside of possibly Greek Freak.

[andgar923]

MJ is a better defender than KD
MJ is a better scorer than Kawhi
MJ is a better passer than both
MJ is a better leader than both

Not that hard to pick really

[Wally450]

Lol at 3ball retiring then immediately jumping into a thread that mentions Jordan.

[StrongLurk]

Based on everyone's responses, plus objective measures...

Looks like it's 19 KD>19 Kawhi>98 Jordan.

Of course this is no slight to 34/35 year old Jordan.

[3ball]

Lol at 3ball retiring then immediately jumping into a thread that mentions Jordan.
Circumstances have caused me to postpone retirement

It happens

[TheCorporation]

give KD a defender like Stockton and he averages 50ppg for the series


+1

Put Starks or Hornacek on KD he's dropping 50 per NIGHT

This is modern era. Sorry MJ

[3ball]

KD had a higher WS/48 than 98 MJ and was much more efficient 68%TS to Jordans pathetic 54%TS so overall KD wins :applause:


Pace in playoffs

17' Warriors.... 100.3 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2017.html#all_misc)
98' Bulls............ 84.1 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1998.html#all_misc)
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Difference of 19%


Jordan's 4-point edge in PPG becomes 10 points when you add the 19% pace difference... :confusedshrug:

So MJ's lower shooting efficiency resulted from averaging 10 more ppg and carrying a much bigger burden (40-50% of his team's points when on the floor, versus 30% for Durant)

Despite MJ's far greater points and burden, his overall efficiency rating was superior (28.1 PER to 27.5 for Durant)

Finally, in addition to carrying a much bigger load, MJ's lower shooting efficiency is also a function of era - the entire league shot poorly compared to today because of different offensive strategy that resulted in a relatively unspaced environment

[sdot_thadon]

this...lol in "Durant carrying something"


Kawhi vs 76ers >>> any Durant ever

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2013-nba-western-conference-semifinals-grizzlies-vs-thunder.html

the only series in Durant's career where he had to "carry" something
I'm not what you'd call the biggest Kd fan, in fact I'm actually kinda pissed I'm defending him here but truth is truth. Kd had a series just as good as that the same year.



Kawhi vs 76ers : 34.7 ppg 9.9 rpg 4.0 apg 1.3 spg .03 bpg on 53/33/86 63 ts% gamescore 27

Kd vs Clippers : 35 ppg 5.3 rpg 5.3 apg 1.5 spg 1.2 bpg on 57/40/95 72 ts%
gamescore 27.4


also see the 2017 finals.

Now, if you want to make all the stacked team disclaimers that's fine I've made the same myself but that requires us also to realize exactly how good the team around Kawhi was. The worst thing about that chip this year is the premise that he carried some bum squad to a ring. The Raptors were a conference 1 seed that added Kawhi, Green, and Gasol. Not to mention Siakam having his coming out party. Take any conference 1 seed, add those 3 guys and have an existing young player become a near allstar in the same season, what should happen?

And none of this is to downplay Kawhi, he did a great job with Toronto but we don't have to down another player to make these debates.

[BlakFrankWhite]

KD only had to carry the load of a 73 win team

:roll:

Fck KD

[3ball]

I'm not what you'd call the biggest Kd fan, in fact I'm actually kinda pissed I'm defending him here but truth is truth. Kd had a series just as good as that the same year.


Against an 8 seed, while guarded by a guy a foot shorter? Are you serious??

Kawhi did it against against an all-star team in Philly






also see the 2017 finals.


The Warriors won in a blowout, so Durant didn't "carry" shit... :confusedshrug:

Durant's actual load was less than 98' MJ's:


............PERCENTAGE OF TEAM POINTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER WAS ON FLOOR


.............................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)<--- links to nba.com

DURANT 2017... 29.7 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 33.3 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 30.4 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 37.7 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 33.8 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 46.0 (https://stats.nba.com/player/201142/usage/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)





The Raptors were a conference 1 seed that added Kawhi


Why lie about it???

The raptors weren't the 1 seed without DeRozan..

kawhi replaced DeRozan... He wasn't added to a 1-seeded team that included DeRozan... He infact carried a 2nd round cast to a title.. reminds me of someone else

Again, lebron fans/media lie for him... It's the same under-handed approach that lebron uses with his teaming up and then pretending it's the same accomplishment Jordan had

[Vino24]

Why doesn

[sdot_thadon]

Against an 8 seed, while guarded by a guy a foot shorter? Are you serious??

Kawhi did it against against an all-star team in Philly
With an allstar team in Toronto dummy.



colorful whining about MJ's load.

I don't care if Kd carried the team in said series. We saw his ability to carry a team when Russ was injured. He's capable. the end.



Why lie about it???

The raptors weren't the 1 seed without DeRozan..

kawhi replaced DeRozan... He wasn't added to a 1-seeded team that included DeRozan... He infact carried a 2nd round cast to a title.. reminds me of someone else

Again, lebron fans/media lie for him... It's the same under-handed approach that lebron uses with his teaming up and then pretending it's the same accomplishment Jordan had
Anybody with a bag of bolts for f'n brains that actually watches the nba knows he replaced Derozan smart guy. It should go without saying, but since you'd like to bring it up the point still stands all over your silly ass. Replace any conference 1 seed's best or even 2nd best player(depending on your taste seeing as DeRozan and Lowry were pretty close to the same level) with Kawhi. Add Green and Gasol. Have one of their young guys reach near all star level of play.

As a matter of fact do it with any playoff team of your choosing and tell me they aren't capable of beating the hobbled Warriors. I mean there might be a couple of teams low on the totem pole that may still lose to Steph but id hard pressed to find a team that couldn't take advantage of that situation. Don't be a dummy.

[RealSkipBayless]

Current Kawhi is more closer to Wizards MJ.

[RRR3]

With an allstar team in Toronto dummy.


I don't care if Kd carried the team in said series. We saw his ability to carry a team when Russ was injured. He's capable. the end.


Anybody with a bag of bolts for f'n brains that actually watches the nba knows he replaced Derozan smart guy. It should go without saying, but since you'd like to bring it up the point still stands all over your silly ass. Replace any conference 1 seed's best or even 2nd best player(depending on your taste seeing as DeRozan and Lowry were pretty close to the same level) with Kawhi. Add Green and Gasol. Have one of their young guys reach near all star level of play.

As a matter of fact do it with any playoff team of your choosing and tell me they aren't capable of beating the hobbled Warriors. I mean there might be a couple of teams low on the totem pole that may still lose to Steph but id hard pressed to find a team that couldn't take advantage of that situation. Don't be a dummy.
Lmao at “colorful whining about MJ’s load” :roll:


Fantastic

[Real14]

for the last mf time

mike jordan was good for the 90s
mike jordan was special for the 90s

he would be demar in the modern era so your asking if id rather have kd, kawhi, or demar derozan

stop it
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With an allstar team in Toronto dummy.


I don't care if Kd carried the team in said series. We saw his ability to carry a team when Russ was injured. He's capable. the end.


Anybody with a bag of bolts for f'n brains that actually watches the nba knows he replaced Derozan smart guy. It should go without saying, but since you'd like to bring it up the point still stands all over your silly ass. Replace any conference 1 seed's best or even 2nd best player(depending on your taste seeing as DeRozan and Lowry were pretty close to the same level) with Kawhi. Add Green and Gasol. Have one of their young guys reach near all star level of play.

As a matter of fact do it with any playoff team of your choosing and tell me they aren't capable of beating the hobbled Warriors. I mean there might be a couple of teams low on the totem pole that may still lose to Steph but id hard pressed to find a team that couldn't take advantage of that situation. Don't be a dummy.
Whew, thats a long-winded response from you, so I must've made some pretty good points

The only thing I'll say is that derozan's 1 seed got swept in the 2nd Round

Kawhi took that 2nd round cast and won a championship with it, while beating the warriors easier than lebron did, with less help (Kyrie > Lowry)

[RealSkipBayless]

Whew, thats a long-winded response from you, so I must've made some pretty good points

The only thing I'll say is that derozan's 1 seed got swept in the 2nd Round

Kawhi took that 2nd round cast and won a championship with it, while beating the warriors easier than lebron did, with less help (Kyrie > Lowry)
Unfortunately there will always be an asterisk in 19' as Kawhi faced Curry, Dray, and a hobbled Demarcus Cousins. While LeThick went up against a 73 win team.

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for the last mf time

mike jordan was good for the 90s
mike jordan was special for the 90s

he would be demar in the modern era so your asking if id rather have kd, kawhi, or demar derozan

stop it

imagine actually being stupid enough to say mj = demar jesus **** :facepalm :facepalm

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imagine actually being stupid enough to say mj = demar jesus **** :facepalm :facepalm
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