Is Donald Trump going to win the presidency again in 2020?

[Shogon]

Let's try this again... votes are public this time...

[Shogon]

I think so, only because the left is not unified enough.

The left seems to be split between "absolutely bat shit crazy" and "reasonable human being on the left" right now...

And sure, the same can be said of the right, but the percentage on the left that are trending towards "absolute bat shit crazy" right now is fffaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr greater than of those nutters on the right. For the time being, anyhow.

So I tend to agree with you, but I don't know.

[warriorfan]

It

[Shogon]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]It

[Prometheus]

The left seems to be split between "absolutely bat shit crazy" and "reasonable human being on the left" right now...

And sure, the same can be said of the right, but the percentage on the left that are trending towards "absolute bat shit crazy" right now is fffaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr greater than of those nutters on the right. For the time being, anyhow.

So I tend to agree with you, but I don't know.

I agree there are more leftists who are completely insane, but at the same time, there are more total idiots on the right. A large chunk of the republican voting base consists of ignorant rednecks. I don't know which I think is worse... insane or flat out dumb. Our political system sucks :lol

[stalkerforlife]

Leftists have become the most disgusting hypocritical pieces of shit on the planet.

I just hope there aren't enough of them.

This country is going to hell if they ever fully dominate.

[dude77]

the bullshit propaganda polls trying to influence public opinion have already begun .. apparently every single dem candidate including that limpwristed homo bootyedge is soundly beating trump lol



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[Nanners]

if the democrats cheat Bernie in the primary again, Trump will most definitely win

[Ass Dan]

Trump is going to win because our country is full of know-it-all retards who get their info from their Facebook feeds and would rather 'own' someone than read something.

[rufuspaul]

The power of incumbency is real. The person holding office has the advantage unless the economy goes South.

[SomeBlackDude]

The power of incumbency is real. The person holding office has the advantage unless the economy goes South.

in the 21st century, as gyna goes (https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/15/economy/china-gdp-growth/index.html), so does the world, 'murrica included (https://www.ibtimes.com/yield-curve-one-most-accurate-predictors-future-recession-its-flashing-warning-sign-2806514).

rate cuts are a band-aid tryna plug a levee about to break.

repent for your sins while there's still time.

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[bladefd]

if the democrats cheat Bernie in the primary again, Trump will most definitely win

Bernie has an extremely tough road this campaign with so many candidates. Votes will be very much split. Number of candidates remaining when primaries begin would have to be 3, maybe 4 with Bernie being one of them for Bernie to have a shot in winning primaries imo.

[Nanners]

Bernie has an extremely tough road this campaign with so many candidates. Votes will be very much split. Number of candidates remaining when primaries begin would have to be 3, maybe 4 for Bernie to have a shot in winning primaries imo.

There are so many candidates specifically because the party establishment doesnt want Bernie to win, and you are right he probably wont win.... So when Trump wins in 2020 it will once again be the dem establishments fault, just like its their fault Trump won in 2016.

[SomeBlackDude]

Bernie has an extremely tough road this campaign with so many candidates.

pocahontas has stolen all of bernie's thunder. she is la comandante de las communistas now, she is the captain of granma.

[rufuspaul]

There are so many candidates specifically because the party establishment doesnt want Bernie to win, and you are right he probably wont win.... So when Trump wins in 2020 it will once again be the dem establishments fault, just like its their fault Trump won in 2016.


This


The Establishment wants Biden and Biden ain't beating Trump

[Celtics 1825]

Unfortunately he probably will since I doubt the Dems will get their shit together and select the right candidate.

[ScalsFan21]

I'm the 1 vote that is leaning towards Trump losing, but I admit it could easily be bungled. :lol A Biden vs. Trump race would just be depressing.

[Prometheus]

Biden might still be polling higher now, but it's early in the game. He got his ass handed to him in the first debate, and I don't see things getting any better for him. Once things heat up, it's gonna be either Sanders, Harris, or Warren. Not saying they are my favorites, but I think they have the best chance of getting the nomination. Bernie is the only one I think can beat Trump.

EDIT: A hypothetical Bernie/Trump debate would be the most entertaining thing to ever be displayed on a screen.

[qrich]

At this point, I have no doubt with the shit show the Dems are putting out

[ScalsFan21]

Biden might still be polling higher now, but it's early in the game. He got his ass handed to him in the first debate, and I don't see things getting any better for him. Once things heat up, it's gonna be either Sanders, Harris, or Warren. Not saying they are my favorites, but I think they have the best chance of getting the nomination. Bernie is the only one I think can beat Trump.

EDIT: A hypothetical Bernie/Trump debate would be the most entertaining thing to ever be displayed on a screen.

I agree with all of this, especially the top 3 contenders. I would order it Harris, Bernie, Warren in terms of likelihood.

Biden and Pete to me are a distinct 2nd tier, and no one in the bottom of the pack will rise up. I'm slightly shook about Bernie's chances rn but I'm in for him all the way. There's plenty of time.

[ILLsmak]

Right now I think it's 50/50 but trending towards Trump. There is shit showing on both sides. Before I prol said 40/45%. Neither will surprise me. With that much volatility it's hard to predict what way things will shift. I may well depend on shit happening in the weeks leading up to the election.

-Smak

[tpols]

Avalanche.

[tpols]

i find it funny that youtube comments all veer hard trump ala fox news almost...

and probably a good representation of anonymous opinion, trump speaks straight facts.

haters cry about "behavior" and mean words, the guy is just telling it like it is.

[Shogon]

pocahontas has stolen all of bernie's thunder. she is la comandante de las communistas now, she is the captain of granma.

Thanks for not voting. Probably good for your mental health that you sit this next election prediction season out.

[Draz]

Democrats are so fcking divided it's hilarious honestly. They're going to rip voters from each other and sit here and wonder why Trump will win again.

[tpols]

link (https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1150781803101347840?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)


Trump’s “go back” comments were nativist, xenophobic, counterfactul and politically stupid. But they simply do not meet the standard definition of racist, a word so recklessly flung around these days that its actual meaning is being lost.

theyre making up new words.

:biggums:

[Patrick Chewing]

This may sound funny, but I

[TheMan]

I voted probably not, especially if the economy hits a down turn before the election. The economy is cyclical, we are due for an economic slow down and Trump would get most of the blame, unfairly but that's the way it is.

The Left is riled up, they will go out and vote, Trump's base is solid but his tariffs war with China is costing him support in states that he won that usually vote blue.

I do have to say that leave it up to the Dems to grab defeat from the clutches of victory so that's why I chose don't know but I think he'll lose. It will be a close election either way, Trump is way too divisive.

[ScalsFan21]

I voted no, especially if the economy hits a down turn before the election. The economy is cyclical, we are due for an economic slow down and Trump would get most of the blame, unfairly but that's the way it is.

The Left is riled up, they will go out and vote, Trump's base is solid but his tariffs war with China is costing him support in states that he won that usually vote blue.

I do have to say that leave it up to the Dems to grab defeat from the clutches of victory so that's why I chose don't know but I think he'll lose. It will be a close election either way, Trump is way too divisive.

I actually don't know about this. I think the polling in those states says you're right, but give him 6 months to brand Biden as a lifelong supporter of agreements like NAFTA and the TPP and he can probably make another "what the hell do you have to lose?" style argument in the general.

He hasn't done anything for the Rust Belt states though, so it's all theater.

[Hawker]

I voted no, especially if the economy hits a down turn before the election. The economy is cyclical, we are due for an economic slow down and Trump would get most of the blame, unfairly but that's the way it is.

The Left is riled up, they will go out and vote, Trump's base is solid but his tariffs war with China is costing him support in states that he won that usually vote blue.

I do have to say that leave it up to the Dems to grab defeat from the clutches of victory so that's why I chose don't know but I think he'll lose. It will be a close election either way, Trump is way too divisive.


If the economy hits a downturn, he will lose. I agree.

If it doesn't hit a downturn, then all the libs who said he would push USA into a downturn should eat crow.

Trumps major play is going to be framing the far left as the face of the dems which let's be honest - represents a lot of people that live in dem strongholds so it's not entirely inaccurate. They are the future of the democrats.

[Hawker]

Joe Biden:


"If you like your health care plan, your employer-based plan, you can keep it. If you like your private insurance, you can keep it."

Yeah, think we heard that one before.

[tpols]

Joe Biden:



Yeah, think we heard that one before.



private insurance has been a disaster mate.

I dont think trump can fix this, but neither can the dems with open borders.

The only solution is in the middle... closed borders & socialism to escape the economic windfall soon to be faced.

but none of these guys have that combination because the big money is pulling strings on both sides to keep it that way.

[SomeBlackDude]

Thanks for not voting. Probably good for your mental health that you sit this next election prediction season out.

pizzagate. seth rich. tell me your thoughts on these subjects.

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If the economy hits a downturn, he will lose. I agree.

If it doesn't hit a downturn, then all the libs who said he would push USA into a downturn should eat crow.

already in a downturn. the maga trade war is killing midwest farmers and now the global economy as a whole. gyna's growth slowed to a near 30 year low. brexit's looking straight down the barrel of a recession. all recession metrics are flashing red here.

the future is now.

the coming shit storm will be 100% on maga.

100%


Trumps major play is going to be framing the far left as the face of the dems which let's be honest - represents a lot of people that live in dem strongholds so it's not entirely inaccurate. They are the future of the democrats.

hawk man, the "squad" is litrally 4 people. majority of dems are like the majority of the gop- middle of the road moderates who swing slightly left or right on specific things. saying the squad or a handful of suburban communists represents the dems is like saying the tea party was representative of every repub.

[Hawker]

private insurance has been a disaster mate.

I dont think trump can fix this, but neither can the dems with open borders.

The only solution is in the middle... closed borders & socialism to escape the economic windfall soon to be faced.

but none of these guys have that combination because the big money is pulling strings on both sides to keep it that way.

Private insurance is better than public insurance where it exists - speaking from experience.

[highwhey]

most likely

[Levity]

Private insurance is better than public insurance where it exists - speaking from experience.

I dont know. for the geriatric age, medicare seems to be where its at. most (all?) hospitals, snf's, alf's, home health agencies, etc prefer medicare. thats who pays the big bucks. medi-cal is pure trash though.

[SomeBlackDude]

and he can probably make another "what the hell do you have to lose?" style argument in the general.

red state farmers gon be like (https://www.salon.com/2019/02/13/midwest-farmers-going-broke-at-record-rates-thanks-to-trumps-trade-war/)

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[enayes]

Bernie deserves his chance.

He would have easily beat Trump in 2016.

:hammerhead:

[Real14]

I hope that bitch dont :coleman:

[diamenz]

There are so many candidates specifically because the party establishment doesnt want Bernie to win, and you are right he probably wont win.... So when Trump wins in 2020 it will once again be the dem establishments fault, just like its their fault Trump won in 2016.

establishment dems like pelosi & schumer would rather have another four years of trump than a sanders presidency, and that's the troof.

anyway, if biden does indeed get the nomination, trump would finish him. dude would just go home and die. f**k him, anyway. the only thing biden has to his advantage in a general election is the black vote. the ones who do have a chance vs. trump are sanders and warren because they're populists and aren't a part of the establishment status quo, regardless of how far left they are. like i've said before, people on either side want change in washington and candidates like biden and peter bootyhead sure aren't bringing any.

[diamenz]

pocahontas has stolen all of bernie's thunder. she is la comandante de las communistas now, she is the captain of granma.

where exactly do u stand on the political spectrum and why? didn't u support hillary in 16? WHY? i mean, you seem like an informed guy - why support these crooked puppets?

[bladefd]

Democrats are so fcking divided it's hilarious honestly. They're going to rip voters from each other and sit here and wonder why Trump will win again.

We have to hope more candidates drop out soon. You will start seeing some semblance of unity with fewer candidates on the stage. I hope by end of August, we lose 10 candidates.

[bladefd]

The reason why I strongly believe Trump will lose is based on the 2018 midterms. People came out in droves to vote against him and Republicans. I expect the same in 2020. People are going to come out in droves and droves to vote. Too many people sat out in 2016, thinking Hillary has it won. It was a rude awakening for those people, and they won't fall victim to that thought again.

[Rolando]

There are so many candidates specifically because the party establishment doesnt want Bernie to win, and you are right he probably wont win.... So when Trump wins in 2020 it will once again be the dem establishments fault, just like its their fault Trump won in 2016.

Yup. Corruption lost them the last election. Hillary bought her way on to the ticket before that primaries and the Party was forced to support her and sabotage Bernie.

The DNC was in debt. Hillary paid off the debt:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

She also bought the Superdelegates:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/4/6/1511462/-CORRUPTION-How-Hundreds-of-Superdelegates-were-Literally-bought-by-the-Clinton-Campaign

The DNC has attempted to reform their corrupt system. Now 2/3 of the Superdelegates are bound to follow the results of the state's primaries. 1/3 are still corrupt.

They have less than before to work with but they will still try to sabotage Bernie.

[Lakers Legend#32]

He lost by 3 million votes in 2016. It will be more in 2020.

[Hotlantadude81]

if the democrats cheat Bernie in the primary again, Trump will most definitely win

They

[SomeBlackDude]

already in a downturn. the maga trade war is killing midwest farmers and now the global economy as a whole. gyna's growth slowed to a near 30 year low. brexit's looking straight down the barrel of a recession. all recession metrics are flashing red here.

the future is now.

the coming shit storm will be 100% on maga.

100%


the first official domino.


US manufacturing sinks into recession amid trade wars

US manufacturing sunk into recession in June after two consecutive quarters of declines amid President Donald Trump's bitter trade wars, a slowdown in China and other trading partners.

The decline comes as the United States enters its 11th year of economic recovery and occurs despite Trump's constant pledges to restore America to manufacturing greatness -- even though services now drive three quarters of the US economy.

Despite jumping in June, manufacturing fell by a 2.2 percent annual rate in the April-June period, and total industrial production lost 1.2 percent, in both cases the second consecutive quarterly decline, the Federal Reserve said Tuesday.

"Manufacturing has borne the brunt of tariff uncertainties and slowing in global economic activity," RDQ Economics said in its analysis

maga

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[Patrick Chewing]

Either there are a lot more closet Trump fans on this site, or people are actually not completely blind to the lunacy of the opposing party. :lol

[ItsMillerTime]

Either there are a lot more closet Trump fans on this site, or people are actually not completely blind to the lunacy of the opposing party. :lol

The entire system is lunacy, Patrick. Do I like Trump? Fvck no. Do I think he's going to win? More than likely. This country is full of dumbass voters like you that vote strictly down party lines and would do literally anything Trump asked of them.

[Prometheus]

The entire system is lunacy, Patrick. Do I like Trump? Fvck no. Do I think he's going to win? More than likely. This country is full of dumbass voters like you that vote strictly down party lines and would do literally anything Trump asked of them.

:lol

sad but accurate

[Patrick Chewing]

The entire system is lunacy, Patrick. Do I like Trump? Fvck no. Do I think he's going to win? More than likely. This country is full of dumbass voters like you that vote strictly down party lines and would do literally anything Trump asked of them.


LOL. Oh boy.


You accuse me of voting down party lines. Have you seen the platform the Dems are running on lately?

- Open Borders
- Infanticide
- Repealing of Second Amendment
- Free Healthcare for Illegal Aliens
- Voting Rights for Illegal Aliens
- Free School and Forgiveness of all Student Debt
- 70% Tax Rate on the Wealthiest Americans


You tell me who in their right mind would vote for any of this. And you accuse me of voting down party lines. GTFO here.

[rufuspaul]

The entire system is lunacy, Patrick. Do I like Trump? Fvck no. Do I think he's going to win? More than likely. This country is full of dumbass voters like you that vote strictly down party lines and would do literally anything Trump asked of them.

I'm a registered independent who definitely doesn't vote down party lines. I voted for our mayor, house rep and governor who are all Democrats but I also voted for Trump because Hillary was a terrible candidate. So far no one on the Dem side is impressing me much.

[highwhey]

if republicans backed a more level headed conservative, i

[rufuspaul]

[QUOTE=highwhey]if republicans backed a more level headed conservative, i

[highwhey]

One has to wonder if the Republican Party returns to what it once was after the Trump experiment is over or whether Trump has changed the party for the future.
yep, it will be interesting to see the aftermath.

but hey, at least the dem party is not letting berney in, we'd be in full socialist mode if they let him in :oldlol:

[ItsMillerTime]

LOL. Oh boy.


You accuse me of voting down party lines. Have you seen the platform the Dems are running on lately?

- Open Borders
- Infanticide
- Repealing of Second Amendment
- Free Healthcare for Illegal Aliens
- Voting Rights for Illegal Aliens
- Free School and Forgiveness of all Student Debt
- 70% Tax Rate on the Wealthiest Americans


You tell me who in their right mind would vote for any of this. And you accuse me of voting down party lines. GTFO here.

Except most of this is a lie, and you know that. But the truth really doesn't matter anymore in a Trump presidency.

Or, on the other hand, you actually believe this shit. In which case, you are truly indoctrinated and there's no hope left for you.

[Prometheus]

yep, it will be interesting to see the aftermath.

but hey, at least the dem party is not letting berney in, we'd be in full socialist mode if they let him in :oldlol:

If only there were countries in Europe that were democratic socialist so that we could see if Bernie's ideas work in practice. But that will never happen. Socialism insane amirite?

[Derka]

Trump hasn't made any headway in the places he lost in 2016; he'll lose those states again because he doesn't care about winning those states.

The Dems have to fight the battle in the states where Trump is vulnerable and there are enough of those in play right now to make it interesting, but not if the convention picks Warren or Sanders or some other uncompromising liberal sort. Democrats have to get black women in the Midwest and Rust Belt to show up and vote this time around.

[highwhey]

If only there were countries in Europe that were democratic socialist so that we could see if Bernie's ideas work in practice. But that will never happen. Socialism insane amirite?
and? :confusedshrug:

this is America. we're born and bred to breathe, consume, and further the agenda of capitalism.

we're too dependent on it. this whole country is unique bc of freedom and capitalism. a lot of people come to america to chase the american dream.

fvck socialism.

[Prometheus]

and? :confusedshrug:

this is America. we're born and bred to breathe, consume, and further the agenda of capitalism.

we're too dependent on it. this whole country is unique bc of freedom and capitalism. a lot of people come to america to chase the american dream.

fvck socialism.

It kinda seems like you're thinking socialism is communism.

[Patrick Chewing]

Except most of this is a lie, and you know that.


What is a lie? That the Democrats are running on those platforms? They literally speak about these very things on a daily basis. There is an election coming up in a year you know, right?

[highwhey]

It kinda seems like you're thinking socialism is communism.
no, but i understand you wouldn't have the same freedom as we have now.

i own a business and am motivated by the endless possibilities, specifically expanding into other states or just doing whatever the fvck i want. you think i want to work endlessly to build a business that will pay 70% of its income to the government? why would i want to operate in a country where the government thinks the majority of my profits should fund it's welfare program? i'd have to associate myself with a political party if i wanted to open new doors. too many restrictions.

there's no entrepreneurial spirit in a socialist ran government.

[tpols]

no, but i understand you wouldn't have the same freedom as we have now.

i own a business and am motivated by the endless possibilities, specifically expanding into other states or just doing whatever the fvck i want. you think i want to work endlessly to build a business that will pay 70% of its income to the government? why would i want to operate in a country where the government thinks the majority of my profits should fund it's welfare program? i'd have to associate myself with a political party if i wanted to open new doors. too many restrictions.

there's no entrepreneurial spirit in a socialist ran government.


So go back to Mexico then buddy.

We need less people anyway.

[highwhey]

So go back to Mexico then buddy.

We need less people anyway.
you want a socialist government?

you're anti-american then. maybe you're the one that should leave. capitalism or gtfo pal.

[tpols]

you want a socialist government?

you're anti-american then. maybe you're the one that should leave. capitalism or gtfo pal.


Every country in the world is some combination of socialist and capitalist.

Taxes are socialism. 5% 30% 70% its all socialism with different degrees.

:facepalm

You definitely weren't educated here.

[ItsMillerTime]

What is a lie? That the Democrats are running on those platforms? They literally speak about these very things on a daily basis. There is an election coming up in a year you know, right?

No, they don't. No politician is running on a platform of infanticide. No politician is running on a platform of open borders. The only candidate that comes close to your definition of "Open Borders" is Elizabeth Warren. Bernie is completely against it.

You think these things are true because you get your news and opinions from highly-biased sources. You don't care to look up the truth because you're lazy and would rather have some talking head on Fox News tell you what to believe.

[Prometheus]

you want a socialist government?

you're anti-american then. maybe you're the one that should leave. capitalism or gtfo pal.

:facepalm

Emotions cloud reason. For everyone. For you though, it's more of a thick fog where you can't even see across the street.

[highwhey]

Every country in the world is some combination of socialist and capitalist.

Taxes are socialism. 5% 30% 70% its all socialism with different degrees.

:facepalm

You definitely weren't educated here.
we're significantly more capitalist than socialist. bernie would love to flip that on it's head. you don't understand this discussion. you don't understand that if bernie got it his way, less business would be popping up. call it whatever you want, there's little motivation to be entrepreneur when taxes are at 70%. there's almost no motivation to create a business (which requires a lot of risk taking) when the state controls your faith.

opening a business is very risky. you put your own money on the table and bet on yourself. you could easily fail. you could go bankrupt. the main reason people do it is bc of the reward. with higher taxation, that reward is no longer on the table. so comment whatever you want, call it a hybrid system for all i care. my point remains.

[highwhey]

:facepalm

Emotions cloud reason. For everyone. For you though, it's more of a thick fog where you can't even see across the street.
nah, but taxation clouds profits.

[Patrick Chewing]

No, they don't. No politician is running on a platform of infanticide. No politician is running on a platform of open borders. The only candidate that comes close to your definition of "Open Borders" is Elizabeth Warren. Bernie is completely against it.

You think these things are true because you get your news and opinions from highly-biased sources. You don't care to look up the truth because you're lazy and would rather have some talking head on Fox News tell you what to believe.


How can I forget......REPARATIONS! Every one of them is running on that too.


Cory Booker and Beto O'Rourke were literally in Mexico helping people cross the border illegally just a few days ago.

And the Fox News argument is weak. They've become a Liberal agenda news outlet as well.

[Prometheus]

It's funny that small business owners are still against more taxation when the very entities like Amazon which are gobbling up all of their livelihood are paying no taxes :oldlol:

you're thinking a half-century ago. small business is going extinct either way.

[tpols]

It's funny that small business owners are still against more taxation when the very entities like Amazon which are gobbling up all of their livelihood are paying no taxes :oldlol:

you're thinking a half-century ago. small business is going extinct either way.


Yup...

People have this all or nothing mind state...

Taxes are either 0%, what they are now for the big dogs, or they're 70%.

No in between strategy to balance things. All or nothing. Sochulizm or capitalism.

:facepalm

[bladefd]

You accuse me of voting down party lines. Have you seen the platform the Dems are running on lately?

- Open Borders
- Infanticide
- Repealing of Second Amendment
- Free Healthcare for Illegal Aliens
- Voting Rights for Illegal Aliens
- Free School and Forgiveness of all Student Debt
- 70% Tax Rate on the Wealthiest Americans

Bold is utter nonsense propaganda from Patty. Even the non-bold portions are not exactly accurate.

Free healthcare for illegals is not exactly a platform - it all depends on what sort of healthcare system you integrate. If it's medicare-for-all, do you have any idea what documents you need to register for medicare? You need ss number, full name/address, proof of citizenship, birth certificate, etc. You won't have all that as an illegal so you would not be eligible for medicare unless if you make medicare free-for-all system, which would no longer be medicare.

Free school? No, not all. Just community colleges and public universities tuition-free doesn't mean completely free. You still have to pay for housing/dorm/food/etc. Not everything is free. Just the tuition portion. I would be a bit resistant to that tbh - I would rather see interest-free college loans so you still have to pay but interests won't kill you. Let everyone with a student loan re-finance to zero rate or something minuscule like 0.1%. An educated population pays for itself if you really think about it.

The rest in bold is utter nonsense that I won't even address. Not even worth my time.

[bladefd]

we're significantly more capitalist than socialist. bernie would love to flip that on it's head. you don't understand this discussion. you don't understand that if bernie got it his way, less business would be popping up. call it whatever you want, there's little motivation to be entrepreneur when taxes are at 70%. there's almost no motivation to create a business (which requires a lot of risk taking) when the state controls your faith.

opening a business is very risky. you put your own money on the table and bet on yourself. you could easily fail. you could go bankrupt. the main reason people do it is bc of the reward. with higher taxation, that reward is no longer on the table. so comment whatever you want, call it a hybrid system for all i care. my point remains.

You get taxed on profits only, and the tax rates are progressive. It's not a flat tax rate - we will probably never see a flat tax rate even if Bernie or Warren. They all want progressive tax rates that increase by tiers as you profit more and more. It's always been that way. So unless if you are swimming in millions and millions in profit each year, you will never see anywhere close to the upper tax rates - 40% 50% whatever it ends up.

[highwhey]

You get taxed on profits only, and the tax rates are progressive. It's not a flat tax rate - we will probably never see a flat tax rate even if Bernie or Warren. They all want progressive tax rates that increase by tiers as you profit more and more. It's always been that way. So unless if you are swimming in millions and millions in profit each year, you will never see anywhere close to the upper tax rates - 40% 50% whatever it ends up.
i know how taxation works. the dems want to tax the sh1t out of the rich but the tax bracket is dumb af.

for reference, a small business is considered small up to 20 Million in revenue.

the highest tax bracket is at $500k or more (37%). following that logic, anything over $500k would be taxed at a socialist rate of 70% so stalker and other unemployed lazy ass folk can get rewarded with free money that they didn't work for.

let me know which part sounds fair.

[Loco 50]

Trump has no chance unless Biden is the candidate. Democrats will do their damnedest to shoot themselves in the foot though, I'm sure.

Those that say he will be reelected weren't paying attention to the midterm election results last year. There were more voters then, than in the past 50 years. You folks think those new voters turned out in support of Trump? You aren't understanding how many apolitical people he has activated.

Trump has his conservative base, and that's it. It's a rock-solid 38 percent of America. Nothing will sway them. Nothing. No point in negotiation. Just get your side to show up.

Republicans will tell you straight from the horse's mouth, greater turnout=bad news for conservatives. They thrive off the content, lazy masses. Activate people and it's death. This is why you see all manner of voter suppression in contested areas.




Now, concerning the evil, scary word socialism. Man, some people here need some help.

The fire department is socialism. Fire is a public safety concern.

The police department is socialism. Crime is a public safety concern.

Healthcare needs to be socialism. Ticking time bombs like heart attacks and stroke patients aka the leading and the fifth leading causes of death in America are a public safety concern, especially when considering that accidents are the third leading cause of death.

All fun and games until that 50 year old crane operator has a stroke on job and shit goes south. Or the truck driver has an M.I....or the Captain of the ship.....or the bus driver...or........

Education also needs to be socialism. Otherwise the have's pull away from the have nots and we get what we've got today. A populace too dumb and lethargic to understand that unchecked capitalism is leaching from everyone and everything only to the benefit of the leecher and not the public.

There have to be reasonable legal checks on capitalism. Resources are finite and unbridled "growth" is also known as cancer.

We work to stop cancer. Not feed it.

[Shogon]

Socialising healthcare to the fullest isn't going to stop heart attacks and strokes.

Genuine education, reinforced REPEATEDLY at an early age... about the impact of a lack of exercise and improper nutrition/bad eating habits... is the only thing that is going to drastically impact those numbers, fyi.

[Loco 50]

Socialising healthcare to the fullest isn't going to stop heart attacks and strokes.

Genuine education, reinforced REPEATEDLY at an early age... about the impact of a lack of exercise and improper nutrition/bad eating habits... is the only thing that is going to drastically impact those numbers, fyi.
Proper education and proper medical treatment will change those numbers towards the positive.

Stress reduction through improved quality of life will also drastically improve those numbers while simultaneously addressing the addiction epidemic that exists because too many people are self-medicating themselves to death.

[bladefd]

i know how taxation works. the dems want to tax the sh1t out of the rich but the tax bracket is dumb af.

for reference, a small business is considered small up to 20 Million in revenue.

the highest tax bracket is at $500k or more (37%). following that logic, anything over $500k would be taxed at a socialist rate of 70% so stalker and other unemployed lazy ass folk can get rewarded with free money that they didn't work for.

let me know which part sounds fair.

Who is saying "70%"?? We don't know what any of the candidates' tax rates are, and I doubt they know yet either. I doubt they would ever be able to pass through Congress an upper rate at 70%.. Maybe 50-55, but I HIGHLY doubt we will ever see 60 or more. You do realize many Congressmen and Senators from both sides of the aisles are worth millions and profit millions each year? These candidates are talking a lot about raising taxes, which they will certainly do, but never going to hit anywhere near 70.

Anyways, raising taxes on the richest is probably the only real way you can have a reasonable wealth redistribution. People don't realize that wealth in this country has already redistributed over the last 50 years into the hands of those who were already rich to extreme levels. They will be just fine with a little bit of redistribution going the opposite direction.

I agree with you that the brackets need to be altered. Add more tax brackets and set the tax rates appropriately.

[highwhey]

Who is saying "70%"?? We don't know what any of the candidates' tax rates are, and I doubt they know yet either. I doubt they would ever be able to pass through Congress an upper rate at 70%.. Maybe 50-55, but I HIGHLY doubt we will ever see 60 or more. You do realize many Congressmen and Senators from both sides of the aisles are worth millions and profit millions each year? These candidates are talking a lot about raising taxes, which they will certainly do, but never going to hit anywhere near 70.

Anyways, raising taxes on the richest is probably the only real way you can have a reasonable wealth redistribution. People don't realize that wealth in this country has already redistributed over the last 50 years into the hands of those who were already rich to extreme levels. They will be just fine with a little bit of redistribution going the opposite direction.

I agree with you that the brackets need to be altered. Add more tax brackets and set the tax rates appropriately.
50 is still too high.

tax the real wealthy people.

just because you earn over 500k a year doesn't make you ultra wealthy..far from it.

[qrich]

50 is still too high.

tax the real wealthy people.

just because you earn over 500k a year doesn't make you ultra wealthy..far from it.

Everything is too high

[bladefd]

I know *certain* people will see my post above about redistribution and blow a gasket.. So let me use an example.

Lets say I buy you food worth $10 today then next week I ask you to buy me food worth $3. Then you put on a temper tantrum asking me why should YOU buy ME food worth $3 with YOUR money. At the same time you sneakily don't bother to bring up the point that I gave me $10 worth of food last week, and I only want a piece of it back.

Look here, bit<h, you owe me 10 bucks. Buy the sandwich I want for $3 or I will smack you in the face for being a greedy selfish lil b!tch. :rant

[tpols]

Trump has no chance unless Biden is the candidate. Democrats will do their damnedest to shoot themselves in the foot though, I'm sure.

Those that say he will be reelected weren't paying attention to the midterm election results last year. There were more voters then, than in the past 50 years. You folks think those new voters turned out in support of Trump? You aren't understanding how many apolitical people he has activated.

Trump has his conservative base, and that's it. It's a rock-solid 38 percent of America. Nothing will sway them. Nothing. No point in negotiation. Just get your side to show up.

Republicans will tell you straight from the horse's mouth, greater turnout=bad news for conservatives. They thrive off the content, lazy masses. Activate people and it's death. This is why you see all manner of voter suppression in contested areas.




Now, concerning the evil, scary word socialism. Man, some people here need some help.

The fire department is socialism. Fire is a public safety concern.

The police department is socialism. Crime is a public safety concern.

Healthcare needs to be socialism. Ticking time bombs like heart attacks and stroke patients aka the leading and the fifth leading causes of death in America are a public safety concern, especially when considering that accidents are the third leading cause of death.

All fun and games until that 50 year old crane operator has a stroke on job and shit goes south. Or the truck driver has an M.I....or the Captain of the ship.....or the bus driver...or........

Education also needs to be socialism. Otherwise the have's pull away from the have nots and we get what we've got today. A populace too dumb and lethargic to understand that unchecked capitalism is leaching from everyone and everything only to the benefit of the leecher and not the public.

There have to be reasonable legal checks on capitalism. Resources are finite and unbridled "growth" is also known as cancer.

We work to stop cancer. Not feed it.


Our population is being watered down with low IQ types...

even mexicans like high who republicans want to kick out are now supporting GOP's propaganda.

We need ICE to do their jobs and pick these cats off. Dump em off where they came from.

[Jasper]

why not ,the American people rehired BUSH when he put our country in the toilet , so nothing surprises me how people of this country think.

[ILLsmak]

why not ,the American people rehired BUSH when he put our country in the toilet , so nothing surprises me how people of this country think.

I nearly cried. But you get over it. Nothing really changes. I still think Trump is better than Bush. Guess we'll know at the end of his second term. The funny thing is, by the end of 8 years something is bound to happen so a switch in pres party makes sense. They just blame the admin.

I do think socialism is misguided in America. We differ in that our biggest problem is people associated with companies that don't just have power here but globally. Until we can properly reign that in, we have no biz putting socialism on average Joe. Imo.

As ive said tho. We're gonna get some of these things you guys think you want, so we shall see how they work. I suppose it would not hurt to try incrementally but they gotta be ready to pull way back.

-Smak

[Patrick Chewing]

Trump has no chance unless Biden is the candidate. Democrats will do their damnedest to shoot themselves in the foot though, I'm sure.

Those that say he will be reelected weren't paying attention to the midterm election results last year. There were more voters then, than in the past 50 years. You folks think those new voters turned out in support of Trump? You aren't understanding how many apolitical people he has activated.

Trump has his conservative base, and that's it. It's a rock-solid 38 percent of America. Nothing will sway them. Nothing. No point in negotiation. Just get your side to show up.

Republicans will tell you straight from the horse's mouth, greater turnout=bad news for conservatives. They thrive off the content, lazy masses. Activate people and it's death. This is why you see all manner of voter suppression in contested areas.




Now, concerning the evil, scary word socialism. Man, some people here need some help.

The fire department is socialism. Fire is a public safety concern.

The police department is socialism. Crime is a public safety concern.

Healthcare needs to be socialism. Ticking time bombs like heart attacks and stroke patients aka the leading and the fifth leading causes of death in America are a public safety concern, especially when considering that accidents are the third leading cause of death.

All fun and games until that 50 year old crane operator has a stroke on job and shit goes south. Or the truck driver has an M.I....or the Captain of the ship.....or the bus driver...or........

Education also needs to be socialism. Otherwise the have's pull away from the have nots and we get what we've got today. A populace too dumb and lethargic to understand that unchecked capitalism is leaching from everyone and everything only to the benefit of the leecher and not the public.

There have to be reasonable legal checks on capitalism. Resources are finite and unbridled "growth" is also known as cancer.

We work to stop cancer. Not feed it.


After reading this jumbled mess, you truly are in need of medication and should not be out in public. Your world view and your lack of facts is alarming.


Oh wait...your user name is Loco. :facepalm

[Rocket]

There is very little doubt Trump will easily win re-election. He has been the best President this century by a long shot. While he keeps the left stirred up with his comments and tweets, he is making America great again behind the scenes. Presidents who face an election with sky high economies never lose. Add to that the Democrats are foolishly moving so far to the left they are actually pushing full socialism which would be a disaster. Trump easily wins re-election by not losing a single vote he got in 2016 and picking up most of the never-Trumpers who have seen how good he has been and even quite a few blue dog centrist Democrats who realize the dangers of socialism.

[Jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7RtUjxnofg

of course no connection

[Prometheus]

At least two of the posters in this thread are shills.

[dude77]

weren't paying attention to the midterm election results last year.


not an indicator .. see 2010 and historical pattern .. trump will be reelected

[qrich]

why not ,the American people rehired BUSH when he put our country in the toilet , so nothing surprises me how people of this country think.

Same with Obama.

[NumberSix]

The real question is, will he win in 2024?

[Loco 50]

After reading this jumbled mess, you truly are in need of medication and should not be out in public. Your world view and your lack of facts is alarming.


Oh wait...your user name is Loco. :facepalm
Dearest Patricio,












https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycnScL3--T4

[SomeBlackDude]

The real question is, will he win in 2024?

'24 is the year the gop will pick steven seagal to make 'murrica great again, again.

[NumberSix]

'24 is the year the gop will pick steven seagal to make 'murrica great again, again.
Yes, and the Democrat nominee will be a guy who hasn

[Long Duck Dong]

Saw something puzzling on CNN's front page. A latino guy at a Trump rally screaming "Send her back!"

Doesn't really fit their narrative :confusedshrug:

[NumberSix]

Saw something puzzling on CNN's front page. A latino guy at a Trump rally screaming "Send her back!"

Doesn't really fit their narrative :confusedshrug:
I love how CNN pretends to not understand that they

[Nanners]

Gotta love how so many dipshit conservatives are vehemently opposed to increased taxes (especially increased taxes on the wealthy) while simultaneously giving zero ****s about workers rights and unions...



https://i.redd.it/uf03nl6fsua31.jpg

[coin24]

Trump is doing a decent job so far.. the country was in the toilet under Obama.

Then again people will disagree cause he's "racist" or whatever the sjw morons claim.. were any of you unlucky enough to watch "the squad" speak??
My goodness, ilhan Omar and AOC would have to be two of the biggest retards on earth:facepalm
Only in America would shit for brains like those get elected:roll: :roll:

[rufuspaul]

not an indicator .. see 2010 and historical pattern .. trump will be reelected


This. The Republicans lost big time in the Reagan midterms and then he was re-elected by one of the largest margins in history.

[falc39]

Trump is doing a decent job so far.. the country was in the toilet under Obama.

Then again people will disagree cause he's "racist" or whatever the sjw morons claim.. were any of you unlucky enough to watch "the squad" speak??
My goodness, ilhan Omar and AOC would have to be two of the biggest retards on earth:facepalm
Only in America would shit for brains like those get elected:roll: :roll:

Trump is doing a horrible job, and I am saying that as a conservative. The problem is, he and past presidents have all done a horrible job for so long that it feels normal, average, and even decent to some now.

[Jasper]

Same with Obama.


obama took us out of recession.

[Hawker]

Gotta love how so many dipshit conservatives are vehemently opposed to increased taxes (especially increased taxes on the wealthy) while simultaneously giving zero ****s about workers rights and unions...



https://i.redd.it/uf03nl6fsua31.jpg

Why were wealth taxes tried and scrapped in the same countries you worship for having universal healthcare?

Why are the taxes so heavy on lower income individuals in said countries as well?

Iceland, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Austria, Finland and Luxembourg all did this and ended it. Scandinavia though!

[Nanners]

Why were wealth taxes tried and scrapped in the same countries you worship for having universal healthcare?

Why are the taxes so heavy on lower income individuals in said countries as well?

Iceland, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Austria, Finland and Luxembourg all did this and ended it. Scandinavia though!

I said "increased taxes on the wealthy", not "wealth tax".

If the taxes are so heavy on lower income Scandanavians as you claim, why do those countries have the lowest poverty rates on the planet? (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/11/11/9707528/finland-poverty-united-states) Approximately 20% of Americans currently live in poverty, while countries like Denmark and Finland are around 5%. Also, you do realize that all those Scandanavian countries you listed have the highest tax rates on the planet for high income individuals, right?

In addition to the lowest rates of poverty on the planet, those scandanavian countries have the lowest levels of income inequality on the planet. (https://www.businessinsider.com/ranked-income-inequality-around-the-world-2015-7) The US has the 3rd highest income inequality in the world, behind only Mexico and Chile.

Anyway to get back on topic, why are you so vehemently opposed to the government taking any of your income, while simultaneously not giving a **** about your employer withholding the lions share of your economic output?

[Loco 50]

In addition to the lowest rates of poverty on the planet, those scandanavian countries have the lowest levels of income inequality on the planet. (https://www.businessinsider.com/ranked-income-inequality-around-the-world-2015-7) The US has the 3rd highest income inequality in the world, behind only Mexico and Chile.

Anyway to get back on topic, why are you so vehemently opposed to the government taking any of your income, while simultaneously not giving a **** about your employer withholding the lions share of your economic output?
along with providing excellent educational and healthcare systems for their citizens...

:applause: Nanners sharing important knowledge and asking important questions.:applause:

If some of us looked into those questions we might be surprised at the results and learn a few things at the same time.

[Loco 50]

not an indicator .. see 2010 and historical pattern .. trump will be reelected



This. The Republicans lost big time in the Reagan midterms and then he was re-elected by one of the largest margins in history.
You can't compare the clusterfvck that is Trump with anything in prior history.

This is unprecedented ineptitude and corruption with unprecedented anger from more than just liberals/Democrats as a result. This has bled over to independents. The one success that keeps him in power is him appointing Supreme Court judges, but I'd say most of the credit of that success goes to McConnell, not Trump. All he had to do was be there.

I believe all this stuff will come full circle and the conservatives will be twice as miserable as they thought they were when Obama was in charge.

They'll have nobody to blame but themselves after showing that rules don't matter much anymore as long as you've got the power. That's a mighty dangerous game to play when you don't have numbers.

Trust that the Supreme Court will be readjusted.