There are claims that the Heat want Beal and will take Walls contract to get him.

[Kblaze8855]

PTI just discussed it. Riley apparently wants someone to pair with Butler and knows the only way to get Beal is to take Walls contract too. If Beal doesn’t extend in late July the wizards have to figure something out by the deadline right?

Why lose him for nothing?

[DoctorP]

Riley is probably shortsighted enough to take on Wall's contract. He has a young stud in Herro waiting in the wings who im sure he will trade for a past-prime Wall and a couple of years of peak Beal

[RealSkipBayless]

They might trade Beal, but it won

[Xiao Yao You]

do they have the pieces to take on both contracts?

[Relinquish]

PTI just discussed it. Riley apparently wants someone to pair with Butler and knows the only way to get Beal is to take Walls contract too. If Beal doesn’t extend in late July the wizards have to figure something out by the deadline right?

Why lose him for nothing?

The Heat have 0 assets that they could trade right now for those 2 to make the salaries match, and even still, there is absolutely no reason to dump beal to get rid of Wall. Wall isn't even 30 yet and we have no idea what he'll look like when he returns. There's absolutely no reason to trade Wall when his trade value is at its absolute lowest, at least let him play and then we can assess what his value is.

And on top of all that, why does it matter if the Wiz clear cap space when free agents don't want to play there? It's pointless. As far as I'm concerned, let the two be Wizards lifers if they so choose as long as they continue to play at a high level. These two brought Wiz fans their best season in years, certainly the best during my life time at least.

[305Baller]

Wall is trash. You need shooters in the league now


not athletic brick layers, on one leg.




Waiters will be as good as Beal.

[HylianNightmare]

Don't see wall and Butler working out

[DMAVS41]

The Heat have 0 assets that they could trade right now for those 2 to make the salaries match, and even still, there is absolutely no reason to dump beal to get rid of Wall. Wall isn't even 30 yet and we have no idea what he'll look like when he returns. There's absolutely no reason to trade Wall when his trade value is at its absolute lowest, at least let him play and then we can assess what his value is.

And on top of all that, why does it matter if the Wiz clear cap space when free agents don't want to play there? It's pointless. As far as I'm concerned, let the two be Wizards lifers if they so choose as long as they continue to play at a high level. These two brought Wiz fans their best season in years, certainly the best during my life time at least.

The Heat definitely have the assets to match salary.

But, I wouldn't trade Beal just to salary dump Wall. I'd definitely trade Beal, but for a package that allows for a rebuild. Beal's value will never be higher than it is right now...they would get a huge haul for him.

No need to mess that up by including Wall. Just get future assets, tank, and re-evaluate things in 2 or 3 years.

Dumping Wall is kind of pointless because they are going to suck for the next 3 years anyway if they move Beal...and then Wall is expiring after that.

[305Baller]

whoever ends up with Wall:

https://media1.giphy.com/media/A0FGCbbooHe1y/giphy.gif

[DMAVS41]

PTI just discussed it. Riley apparently wants someone to pair with Butler and knows the only way to get Beal is to take Walls contract too. If Beal doesn’t extend in late July the wizards have to figure something out by the deadline right?

Why lose him for nothing?

They shouldn't, but Beal has 2 full years left, not one...so, no, they don't have to do something by the deadline.

[DoctorP]

Getting Beal for Miami is like the Spurs getting DeRozan. Meh.

And trading for Wall would be a disaster.

Neither player is worth a hassle nor long-term constraints.


Riley shouldnt be such a desperate bitch.

[tpols]

might as well...

east is a total joke this year and wide open.

win that, maybe get a few injuries in the finals and you might sneak a title.

[DMAVS41]

Getting Beal for Miami is like the Spurs getting DeRozan. Meh.

And trading for Wall would be a disaster.

Neither player is worth a hassle nor long-term constraints.


Riley shouldnt be such a desperate bitch.

I see it the other way...if the Wizards were going to make Wall included...it means Beal essentially just comes for contracts and maybe Winslow or something.

I'd definitely do that if I'm the Heat and don't have to give up anything of note.

[Kblaze8855]

They shouldn't, but Beal has 2 full years left, not one...so, no, they don't have to do something by the deadline.


Im thinking along the lines of what you get when you arent up against it. I feel like we talked about this once recently. The NBa actually added the 2 years to go extension option for the express purpose of teams being given time to trade a guy who still has value when they know he wont be back. Used to be you had to wait till the final year. Now you can do the next deal early...so teams have a sense of whats going on.

Better to trade a guy who wont sign back with you when he has a year and a half than when he has a couple months left and the other teams know it right?

[Kblaze8855]

And did I just see the name Dion Waiters up there?

We still on Dion Waiters?

Why does it feel like hes 32 years old? I know he cant be....he just feels like he stopped mattering sooooooooooo long ago.

[DoctorP]

I see it the other way...if the Wizards were going to make Wall included...it means Beal essentially just comes for contracts and maybe Winslow or something.

I'd definitely do that if I'm the Heat and don't have to give up anything of note.

Winslow/Johnson/Dragic for Beal and filler is a good trade for Miami. I'd do that only.

[DMAVS41]

Im thinking along the lines of what you get when you arent up against it. I feel like we talked about this once recently. The NBa actually added the 2 years to go extension option for the express purpose of teams being given time to trade a guy who still has value when they know he wont be back. Used to be you had to wait till the final year. Now you can do the next deal early...so teams have a sense of whats going on.

Better to trade a guy who wont sign back with you when he has a year and a half than when he has a couple months left and the other teams know it right?

Absolutely.

The time is now to trade him. Beal's value will never be higher than it is now. He's at his peak as a player, healthy, and two full years left on a well-below market value contract.

I was just pointing out that they aren't at risk for "losing him for nothing" until the following season.

[DMAVS41]

Winslow/Johnson for Beal is a good trade for Miami. I'd do that only.

What?

Beal would get 4 times that value...if you could even call that value.

Your edit doesn't make sense from a salary perspective.

You aren't understanding how valuable Beal is...he's not going to be gotten for average players and no future assets.

The only trade the Heat should do for Beal is one that includes Wall because then the cost would be dramatically less.

[DoctorP]

What?

Beal would get 4 times that value...if you could even call that value.

i edited it, speedy gonzalez

[DoctorP]

look Beal is a good player but he's not an Orca.

He and Butler would be fine but its not getting you a championship. You need to compliment them with young pieces on the rise

[DMAVS41]

i edited it, speedy gonzalez

And your edit makes even less sense because the salaries don't work and offers the Wizards nothing.

[RealSkipBayless]

Winslow/Johnson/Dragic for Beal and filler is a good trade for Miami. I'd do that only.
Miami has NOTHING of value to Washington. They have no picks to offer and even if they could they wouldn

[DoctorP]

And your edit makes even less sense because the salaries don't work and offers the Wizards nothing.

**** the wizards.

[DoctorP]

[QUOTE=RealSkipBayless]Miami has NOTHING of value to Washington. They have no picks to offer and even if they could they wouldn

[DMAVS41]

**** the wizards.

Sure, from your perspective as a fan of the Heat...

But that doesn't change reality.

[DoctorP]

Winslow/Johnson/Dragic for Beal and filler is a good trade for Miami. I'd do that only.


Thats why I wrote that.

[Xiao Yao You]

and got nowhere, understandably.
Beal aint that great.

yet every team in the league would love to have him

[DMAVS41]

[QUOTE=RealSkipBayless]Miami has NOTHING of value to Washington. They have no picks to offer and even if they could they wouldn

[DoctorP]

Heat need to relax and push the youth until Kawhi Leonards come along. Not Bradley Beals. Not DeRozans.

Didnt Toronto show them the way? One guy makes a huge difference.

And you certainly dont take on trash like Wall to pick up a DeRozan/Beal.

[DMAVS41]

Thats why I wrote that.

And it the most unrealistic trade possible.

[bladefd]

Heat were interested in CP3 and now Wall. Both trash contracts.. Are they that desperate? :facepalm

[DoctorP]

Winslow/Bam/Dragic/Herro for Beal/Ian would be good enough for me if I'm the Wizards, but I wouldn't do that if I'm the Heat because I like Bam a lot.


Yeah, **** that shit. We aint getting Shaq-like shit for our youth movement. Its Bradley Fn Beal. Pass.

[DMAVS41]

Heat need to relax and push the youth until Kawhi Leonards come along. Not Bradley Beals. Not DeRozans.

Didnt Toronto show them the way? One guy makes a huge difference.

And you certainly dont take on trash like Wall to pick up a DeRozan/Beal.

Equating Beal and Demar is a pretty big mistake.

Beal is like 4 years younger and a much better player. I agree that the Heat shouldn't go crazy for Beal, but Beal is clearly way better and more valuable than you get.

[305Baller]

Heat were interested in CP3 and now Wall. Both trash contracts.. Are they that desperate? :facepalm

Riley likes aging vets that get injured.

Bwahaha

[DoctorP]

[/B][/I]

Equating Beal and Demar is a pretty big mistake.

Beal is like 4 years younger and a much better player. I agree that the Heat shouldn't go crazy for Beal, but Beal is clearly way better and more valuable than you get.

Meh. Same tier. Both All-Stars. 2/3rd option on a title team. A Ron Harper on Jordan's Bulls. A Glen Rice on Kobe's Lakers. Get my drift?

[DoctorP]

You get a Beal with Butler IF you secure an Anthony Davis.

[DMAVS41]

If the Wizards really want to dump Wall and it is that important...the Heat would be stupid not to do some version of this;

Heat get Wall/Beal

Wizards get Dragic/Winslow/Johnson/Waiters/Future lightly protected pick

[Xiao Yao You]

Meh. Same tier. Both All-Stars. 2/3rd option on a title team. A Ron Harper on Jordan's Bulls. A Glen Rice on Kobe's Lakers. Get my drift?

Beal has a modern game and a great contract. Derozan has an old school game. Every team would want Beal. Not everyone wants Derozan

[NBAGOAT]

Meh. Same tier. Both All-Stars. 2/3rd option on a title team. A Ron Harper on Jordan's Bulls. A Glen Rice on Kobe's Lakers. Get my drift?

i get your drift, this is absolutely wrong however lol. Beal has a case for being better than butler right now and he's younger. He would most likely be the heat's first option at least and have the most shot attempts.

[DMAVS41]

Meh. Same tier. Both All-Stars. 2/3rd option on a title team. A Ron Harper on Jordan's Bulls. A Glen Rice on Kobe's Lakers. Get my drift?

No, I don't...because I could not disagree more.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/demar-derozan/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/bradley-beal/

4 year age difference alone makes same tier players vastly different in value, but they aren't the same level players given what Beal can do in terms of shooting and improving a team without dominating the ball.

[DoctorP]

i get your drift, this is absolutely wrong however lol. Beal has a case for being better than butler right now and he's younger. He would most likely be the heat's first option at least and have the most shot attempts.

Sure but at the price of Wall? Yikes. Then you would have to trade Wall to try to tap a Davis, Giannis ,etc.

[DoctorP]

If the Wizards really want to dump Wall and it is that important...the Heat would be stupid not to do some version of this;

Heat get Wall/Beal

Wizards get Dragic/Winslow/Johnson/Waiters/Future lightly protected pick

As long as its only Winslow, then Im ok with it. Then trade Wall for Chris Paul

[DMAVS41]

Sure but at the price of Wall? Yikes. Then you would have to trade Wall to try to tap a Davis, Giannis ,etc.

It depends on what they have to give up.

Taking on Wall means you wouldn't give up anything that matters other than Winslow and a future pick at most...maybe not even the pick depending on how badly the Wizards wanted off Wall.

And while his contract sucks, if Wall comes back...he's way better than an average point...so it isn't like he's dead or something.

However, I just don't buy that the Wizards would want to ruin the haul they'd get for Beal just to dump a contract when they are going to suck anyway no matter what for the next 3 to 4 years if they move Beal.

[DoctorP]

It depends on what they have to give up.

Taking on Wall means you wouldn't give up anything that matters other than Winslow and a future pick at most...maybe not even the pick depending on how badly the Wizards wanted off Wall.

And while his contract sucks, if Wall comes back...he's way better than an average point...so it isn't like he's dead or something.


fine, fine. only Winslow

Winslow and filler for Beal and filler is a deal

[qrich]

Riley likes aging vets that get injured.

Bwahaha

OKC sitting there...smiling.

[RRR3]

Wall is trash. You need shooters in the league now


not athletic brick layers, on one leg.




Waiters will be as good as Beal.
Hahaahhaahhaahhaahahahahahhah

[DMAVS41]

fine, fine. only Winslow

Winslow and filler for Beal and filler is a deal

You have to take on Wall.

It would likely be Winslow/Pick/Filler for Beal/Wall

[DoctorP]

Wall is trash. You need shooters in the league now


not athletic brick layers, on one leg.




Waiters will be as good as Beal.


Truly funny.

[RealSkipBayless]

The Wizards want off the Wall contract to free up space for who exactly?

[DoctorP]

You have to take on Wall.

It would likely be Winslow/Pick/Filler for Beal/Wall


Yea, I consider his contract filler at this point then.

[DMAVS41]

The Wizards want off the Wall contract to free up space for who exactly?

Right...this is why I don't buy this rumor. It would be incredibly dumb to ruin the trade value of Beal by insisting on including Wall when the next 4 years are going to be awful no matter what if they move Beal.

Might as well get what you can for Beal...let Wall take a year off....and hope he can play great in the 2021 season after the cap jumps again...and he's far more easily moved at the time.

Moving him now just doesn't make sense.

[RealSkipBayless]

Right...this is why I don't buy this rumor. It would be incredibly dumb to ruin the trade value of Beal by insisting on including Wall when the next 4 years are going to be awful no matter what if they move Beal.

Might as well get what you can for Beal...let Wall take a year off....and hope he can play great in the 2021 season after the cap jumps again...and he's far more easily moved at the time.

Moving him now just doesn't make sense.
Yep. Option #1 is definitely getting the maximum you can for Beal. They can still rebuild and tank. Don't think Wall/Hachimura and whatever they get in the trade is gonna win you many games.

If option 2 is to move them both and get scraps back just so you can start fresh it just seems really dumb. Yeah it's bad contract and it's why you don't supermax tier 2 players but even with him gone it does nothing. Even if the stars aligned and Giannis signed there with the cap space their young players would still need more time. :oldlol:

But yeah, I wouldn't wait around to do this either. Players say one thing and do another all the time. I wouldn't trust that dude to stay.

[DMAVS41]

Yep. Option #1 is definitely getting the maximum you can for Beal. They can still rebuild and tank. Don't think Wall/Hachimura and whatever they get in the trade is gonna win you many games.

If option 2 is to move them both and get scraps back just so you can start fresh it just seems really dumb. Yeah it's bad contract and it's why you don't supermax tier 2 players but even with him gone it does nothing. Even if the stars aligned and Giannis signed there with the cap space their young players would still need more time. :oldlol:

But yeah, I wouldn't wait around to do this either. Players say one thing and do another all the time. I wouldn't trust that dude to stay.

Right.

If I'm the Nuggets...I call them up and offer Harris/Porter/Barton/2 Future Firsts (unprotected) for Beal/Bertans

[BallsOut]

Right.

If I'm the Nuggets...I call them up and offer Harris/Porter/Barton/2 Future Firsts (unprotected) for Beal/Bertans

That's retarded. Harris is every bit as good as Beal. Then you throw in two unprotected firsts for Bertans? :roll:

[Kblaze8855]

Harris is pretty good to be traded with prospects and first rounders for Beal when Beal isn

[Xiao Yao You]

That's retarded. Harris is every bit as good as Beal. Then you throw in two unprotected firsts for Bertans? :roll:

Harris isn't as good as Beal

[paksat]

shot under 80% from the FT line 5 out of his 7 seasons and shot 35% from 3 last season

[DMAVS41]

That's retarded. Harris is every bit as good as Beal. Then you throw in two unprotected firsts for Bertans? :roll:

Really disagree about Beal and Harris, but yea...you wouldn't do that trade if you think Harris is as good.

I personally think a trade like that puts the Nuggets in the finals with a good chance at a title in the next 2 years.

But, you've got some convincing to do for me to understand how Harris is as good as Beal...not to mention the history of injury for Harris while Beal has only missed a handful of games over the last 3 years.

[DMAVS41]

Harris is pretty good to be traded with prospects and first rounders for Beal when Beal isn’t secured and Harris is locked up for what....5years?

I thought Harris only had 3 years left...yep, just checked...3 years left....maybe you were thinking the Murray extension.

I like Harris, but Beal is a whole different level of a player. Also, just one prospect...Barton isn't a prospect...he's probably a contract the Nuggets would rather not have at this point.

If the Nuggets are really trying to win the title...you pull the trigger on things like this in my opinion...and if Beal says he won't extend...and it doesn't work...you can always move him.

Kinda feel that Nuggets type franchises need to seize on the opportunity to actually go for the title when they can. The Grant trade to me indicated that they are really gonna go for it...and I love it.

[DMAVS41]

Harris isn't as good as Beal

Yea, didn't think we'd get that...LOL

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/davis-bertans/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/bradley-beal/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/gary-harris/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/will-barton/

Barton is better than he rates here clearly imo...last year injuries probably influencing things too much.

However, I really think Beal/Bertans would be a huge upgrade to the Nuggets roster.

[HALLandOATES]

hahaa Wizards ain