Playoff games leading in points, rebounds and assists

[Manny98]

https://i.postimg.cc/59T5dRYb/f6949ed.jpg




GOAT... that is all

[Kingwillball]

https://i.postimg.cc/59T5dRYb/f6949ed.jpg




GOAT... that is all

That is a pretty impressive stat not gonna lie.

[superduper]

Hey OP can you please include time of possession?

Thank you.

[colts19]

Yet Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Duncan and Jordan all had better finals record the Bron.

[Gileraracer]

Damn that guy sure has at least 6 rings with all these stats i assume?!?!?!

[Manny98]

Yet Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Duncan and Jordan all had better finals record the Bron.
No shit they all had better teams than what LeBron had

[colts19]

No shit they all had better teams than what LeBron had
No shit, it's like not chasing stats lead to better team play.

[RealSkipBayless]

https://i.postimg.cc/jdgkyVFR/MJyikes.jpg

[Bosnian Sajo]

I guess this proves without a doubt that you win more when you don't stat pad. Interesting.


Good post, OP.

[scm5]

Lebron "Empty Stats" James

https://fadeawayworld.net/2018/06/15/lebron-james-has-played-with-more-than-double-the-amount-of-all-stars-than-michael-jordan-has/

[SouBeachTalents]

Yet Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Duncan and Jordan all had better finals record the Bron.
Lol at trying to argue 2 titles & 3 Finals is better than 3 titles & 9 Finals :oldlol:

[Dr Hawk]

Stats, that is all.

[TheMan]

That is a pretty impressive stat not gonna lie.
Yet 3 of those 5 players have more chips than LeBron...Bird and Bran have the same amount of chips :lol

[TheMan]

No shit they all had better teams than what LeBron had
Bruh, LeBron has had FMVP Wade, Bosh, Allen, Shaq, Kyrie, Love and now AD as teammates...just how much help does he need???

MOAR help!!!

[superduper]

Hey OP can you please include time of possession?

Thank you.

Hey OP?

Where did you go?

[superduper]

Bruh, LeBron has had FMVP Wade, Bosh, Allen, Shaq, Kyrie, Love and now AD as teammates...just how much help does he need???

MOAR help!!!

Bran has never had a single ounce of halp in his life if you ignore the 10+ allstars and 5+ HOFs.

#striveForGreatness

[TheMan]

Bran has never had a single ounce of halp in his life if you ignore the 10+ allstars and 5+ HOFs.

#striveForGreatness
Yeah, just watch how L39ron stans will throw AD under the bus when they come up short...again :rolleyes:

[SomeBlackDude]

https://i.postimg.cc/59T5dRYb/f6949ed.jpg




GOAT... that is all

wow.

truly remarkable.

can you give us a rundown of the finals records of the dudes in the bubble vs le$tats?

:confusedshrug:

[Manny98]

https://i.postimg.cc/jdgkyVFR/MJyikes.jpg
How great is our god :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Manny98]

Bruh, LeBron has had FMVP Wade, Bosh, Allen, Shaq, Kyrie, Love and now AD as teammates...just how much help does he need???

MOAR help!!!
LeBron never had a team that was so stacked that they won 55 games without him :roll:

[Manny98]

wow.

truly remarkable.

can you give us a rundown of the finals records of the dudes in the bubble vs le$tats?

:confusedshrug:
Team acomplishements who cares, Jordan would be 1/9 in the finals with the garbage cans LeBron played with

Individual performance is what determines the best player aka LeGOAT

[ImKobe]

Lebron played a lot of small ball and I'd be willing to bet that a huge chunk of those games are against Golden State because he was often the biggest guy on the court if we go by size and girth and his teams had a deep front court rotation so guys like TT and Love or Big Z and Gooden/Hickson/Varejao would split rebounds due to limited minutes on the court in certain series.

James can have his statistical accolades on his 2K built teams but he doesn't come close to Jordan in winning championship performances, his best statistical series are in one-sided losses (2017 and 2018 Finals, 2009 ECF).

[Manny98]

James can have his statistical accolades on his 2K built teams but he doesn't come close to Jordan in winning championship performances, his best statistical series are in one-sided losses (2017 and 2018 Finals, 2009 ECF).
https://i.postimg.cc/7YwvtcYQ/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg


What was that?

[ImKobe]

https://i.postimg.cc/7YwvtcYQ/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg


What was that?

2017 and 2018 Finals are both superior statistically

Lebron never averaged over 30 ppg or shot above 60%TS in a Finals series that he won. His averages are inflated due to him stat-padding in series that he had 0 chance in winning. he averaged 25 ppg on barely 52%TS when he got bailed out in 2013, 2016 he was terrible before GS's best player got suspended and they lost their starting Center on top of Iguodala injuring his back.

[3ball]

https://i.postimg.cc/7YwvtcYQ/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg


What was that?
41/9/6 > 30/11/9

On what planet is 11 ppg on higher FG% not better?... And when you account for pace, it's 12-13 ppg more

MJ led everyone in the most important category by a lot, while lebron led lesser categories by tiny amounts

Plus what ImKobe said in the previous post

[Manny98]

41/9/6 > 30/11/9

On what planet is 11 ppg on higher FG% not better?... And when you account for pace, it's 12-13 ppg more

MJ led everyone in the most important category by a lot, while lebron led lesser categories by tiny amounts

Plus what ImKobe said in the previous post
Except that LeBron was going up against a 73 win team whilst MJ was going up against a Suns team that played no defense and who struggled to beat a 39 win Lakers team :oldlol:

Plus LeBron played better defense and averaged more rebounds,assists,steals,blocks than MJ

[Manny98]

Lebron never averaged over 30 ppg or shot above 60%TS in a Finals series that he won
Literally no one ever has done that except...

MJ (91 & 92)
Shaq (02)
KD (17)

[Phoenix]

I haven't mentioned LeBron in weeks only in response to you insecure MJ ****s keep bringing him up in every thread... Like this one


:yaohappy:

[SomeBlackDude]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/32mC2kXYWCsg0/giphy.gif

m-goat: 6/6 (100% win)
the big fundamental: 5/6 (83%)
larry legend: 3/5 (60%)
magic: 5/9 (56%)

vs

le$tats: 3/9 (33%)

now i'm no math wiz but looking at the facts, it looks like historically bron ball is not as conducive to winning when it matters most as other methods.

one can only conclude that the vampire le$tat is the ultimate empty $tats player. possibly only 2nd to wilt (33% finals win record) all time.

and we're talking a whole mess of records for losses on the big stage. multiple sweeps, etc.

[HylianNightmare]

39

[Wally450]

Bruh, LeBron has had FMVP Wade, Bosh, Allen, Shaq, Kyrie, Love and now AD as teammates...just how much help does he need???

MOAR help!!!

You say Shaq as if he wasn't a shell of himself in 2010.

[superduper]

You say Shaq as if he wasn't a shell of himself in 2010.

And Bran trolls say Payton/Malone/Nash/Dwight and think they aren't retarded.

Balance in all things.

[3ball]

You say Shaq as if he wasn't a shell of himself in 2010.
Better than any center MJ ever had

So are Zydrunas, Mosgov, Chandler, and yes, McGee

So yeah, lebron had Shaq, who was all-star MVP in 09' (18/8 averages), but sacrificed as 4th option for Bron in 10' (12/7 averages)

[72-10]

Surprise, surprise. The man whose stats are padded has more impressive looking stats than those who aren't padded. If LeBron were to go to a burger restaurant, he'd make sure to get the triple-patty burger.

[Keno]

i've seen enough, the one and only true GOAT. :applause:

[r0drig0lac]

I guess this proves without a doubt that you win more when you don't stat pad. Interesting.


Good post, OP.
/thread

[superduper]

I guess this proves without a doubt that you win more when you don't stat pad. Interesting.


Good post, OP.

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Manny98]

I guess this proves without a doubt that you win more when you don't stat pad. Interesting.


Good post, OP.
LeBron has the most playoff wins of all time retard

And...

https://i.postimg.cc/7YwvtcYQ/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg

[superduper]

LeBron has the most playoff wins of all time retard

And...



DAMN, how many "PlayoffSeriesWins" Championships does he have? :eek:

[Manny98]

DAMN, how many "PlayoffSeriesWins" Championships does he have? :eek:
LeBron is second all time in championships won as the 1st option :confusedshrug:

If you include conference championships he's basically first all time in total championships won as the 1st option

[Da_Realist]

The most boring to watch NBA great in history. No one cares about his stats.

[superduper]

The most boring NBA great in history. No one cares about his stats.

Sad but true :(

[Phoenix]

LeBron is second all time in championships won as the 1st option :confusedshrug:



Shaq, Mikan, Alcindor/Jabbar, Bird and Duncan all have at least 3 championships as first option. So, tied with like 5 other people. :confusedshrug:

[Manny98]

Shaq, Mikan, Alcindor/Jabbar, Bird and Duncan all have at least 3 championships as first option. So, tied with like 5 other people. :confusedshrug:
Still second :confusedshrug:

Kareem and Bird only won twice as the teams best player i think

[Phoenix]

Still second :confusedshrug:

Kareem and Bird only won twice as the teams best player i think

You casually omitted that there are other players who rightfully have that same claim.

Kareem was considered the best player on the 71 Bucks( under the name Lew Alcindor), was the league MVP in 80 when the Lakers won( yes, he was out for game 6 when Magic went off, but still the first option overall obviously), first option in 82 and 85. Magic wasn't first option till 87. So Kareem could credibly be called first option for 4 titles, or at worst 3 if we want to argue that Magic was the better player by 85 but wasn't leading the team in scoring till 87.

Bird was obviously the best Celtic from the moment he entered the league. Let's not be silly( I'm going to go ahead and debunk it right now because this will likely be the retarded counterargument) and act like Cornbread winning the 81 FMVP meant Bird wasn't generally the best player and first option. Cornbread was the third leading scorer during the regular season and was the leading finals scorer. Bird was far and away the best Celtic player in 81, 84 and 86.

Duncan was the best player in 2007, yes Parker won the finals MVP but only a moron would use that as rationale that he was the first option/best player. And was clearly the best player/first option or whatever term you want to use in 99, 2003 and 2005. So Duncan and Kareem have 4 best player/first option rings, so it's not even correct that Bron is 2nd( tied). More like third with Shaq and Bird.

[Manny98]

Ok third tied right now, will end his career at least second

Yet yall acting like he's a failure that barely won :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Ok third tied right now, will end his career at least second

Yet yall acting like he's a failure that barely won :oldlol:

Only 3 chips in 16 years of colluding...

[Manny98]

Only 3 chips in 16 years of colluding...
Give me the list of players that have won more as the first option than LeBron

Btw Kobe is not on that list :oldlol:

[Phoenix]

Ok third tied right now, will end his career at least second

Yet yall acting like he's a failure that barely won :oldlol:

No I'm not. I'm saying he doesn't have a singular claim on '2nd in first option' rings. YOU'RE acting like Shaq, Bird, Duncan, Kareem don't exist.

[3ball]

Give me the list of players that have won more as the first option than LeBron

Btw Kobe is not on that list :oldlol:
Give me a list of players that colluded more than lebron

I'll wait

Many players would have 3 rings or more if they teamed up with the guys that Lebron did, and as many times

Ultimately, lebron's skillset is the same caliber of Nash/CP3/Westbrook, except lebron colluded 3 times and they didn't... But the skillset is the same style that can't develop players/teamwork because it turns them into spot-up shooters, and therefore needs established stars to win, aka colluding, which only lebron did.

[Manny98]

No I'm not. I'm saying he doesn't have a singular claim on '2nd in first option' rings. YOU'RE acting like Shaq, Bird, Duncan, Kareem don't exist.
No i never, i said LeBron was second in 1st option rings it doesn't matter if he's tied with someone or not he's still second (or third if you think Duncan)

[Phoenix]

No i never, i said LeBron was second in 1st option rings it doesn't matter if he's tied with someone or not he's still second (or third if you think Duncan)

You presented the argument as if 4 or 5 other players don't have the same claim. Don't be obtuse.

[3ball]

No i never, i said LeBron was second in 1st option rings it doesn't matter if he's tied with someone or not he's still second (or third if you think Duncan)
Lebron colluded more than anyone else - that's why people don't respect his ring count

Many players would have 3 rings or more if they teamed up with the guys that Lebron did, and as many times

Ultimately, lebron's skillset is the same caliber of Nash/CP3/Westbrook, except lebron colluded 3 times and they didn't... But the skillset is the same style that can't develop players/teamwork because it turns them into spot-up shooters, and therefore needs established stars to win, aka colluding, which only lebron did.

[Manny98]

Definition of collusion:

secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy in order to deceive others.

When did LeBron ever do something close to that y'all using words you don't even know what they mean :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Give me the list of players that have won more as the first option than LeBron

Btw Kobe is not on that list :oldlol:

Kobe led his team in shot attempts and assists in 4 out of 5 title runs and ran the offense in all 5 of them.

[SouBeachTalents]

Shaq, Mikan, Alcindor/Jabbar, Bird and Duncan all have at least 3 championships as first option. So, tied with like 5 other people. :confusedshrug:
Titles as teams best player

Russell: 7-9
Jordan: 6
Duncan: 4-5
LeBron: 3
Shaq: 3
Bird: 3

Magic & Kareem are the toughest to determine. I'm inclined to give Magic 4 & Kareem 2. You could also argue Hondo was the best in '68/'69/'74

[Phoenix]

Titles as teams best player

Russell: 7-9
Jordan: 6
Duncan: 4-5
LeBron: 3
Shaq: 3
Bird: 3

Magic & Kareem are the toughest to determine. I'm inclined to give Magic 4 & Kareem 2. You could also argue Hondo was the best in '68/'69/'74

That would mean Magic was best player as early as 82( 82, 85, 87, 88). It think it's a bit too early to make that call, but I wouldn't argue much with 85. Kareem was still all-star level but closing in on 40. Magic was good enough by then to drop '87' numbers but he was still deferring to Cap at that point.

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe led his team in shot attempts and assists in 4 out of 5 title runs and ran the offense in all 5 of them.

:oldlol:

[Mr Feeny]

Titles as teams best player

Russell: 7-9
Jordan: 6
Duncan: 4-5
LeBron: 3
Shaq: 3
Bird: 3

Magic & Kareem are the toughest to determine. I'm inclined to give Magic 4 & Kareem 2. You could also argue Hondo was the best in '68/'69/'74

I'd argue that Kareem was better in 1980 and 82. And he definitely outperformed magic in the 85 finals.

[SouBeachTalents]

That would mean Magic was best player as early as 82( 82, 85, 87, 88). It think it's a bit too early to make that call, but I wouldn't argue much with 85. Kareem was still all-star level but closing in on 40. Magic was good enough by then to drop '87' numbers but he was still deferring to Cap at that point.

I'd argue that Kareem was better in 1980 and 82. And he definitely outperformed magic in the 85 finals.
'82 & '85 are admittedly very difficult to determine. Fwiw in '82 Magic did lead the team in assists/rebounds/steals, almost all advanced metrics and did win FMVP

[Mr Feeny]

'82 & '85 are admittedly very difficult to determine. Fwiw in '82 Magic did lead the team in assists/rebounds/steals, almost all advanced metrics and did win FMVP

I know, and he has a claim.i just have that Kareem ahead of him.but it isn't clear cut.

[TheMan]

LeBron never had a team that was so stacked that they won 55 games without him :roll:
Did that 55 win team win a chip?

It don't mean a thing without the ring, I'm sure you've heard of that phrase :cheers:

[TheMan]

Team acomplishements who cares, Jordan would be 1/9 in the finals with the garbage cans LeBron played with

Individual performance is what determines the best player aka LeGOAT
If that's your criteria...

Wilt >>> LeBron

:confusedshrug:

[Mr Feeny]

Did that 55 win team win a chip?

It don't mean a thing without the ring, I'm sure you've heard of that phrase :cheers:
You would think that a Lebron fan would know that team records don't equate winning titles or being a dominant team. Otherwise, the 2009 and 2010 Cavs failing to even reach the finals as getting slapped around by lower seeded teams, must be one of the biggest failures in basketball history, using that dumb logic.

[guy]

'82 & '85 are admittedly very difficult to determine. Fwiw in '82 Magic did lead the team in assists/rebounds/steals, almost all advanced metrics and did win FMVP

He also had more MVP votes then Kareem every year starting in 1982 and even though Kareem played full seasons. So to say he was considered their best player starting in 1982 isn

[guy]

I would actually say Duncan was their best player in 2014, so he would be 2nd with 5. Obviously he wasn

[ImKobe]

:oldlol:

running the offense/leading the team in assists plus taking the most shots isn't something a first option does? Kobe had the ball more than Shaq in 2 out of the 3 title runs.

[guy]

running the offense/leading the team in assists plus taking the most shots isn't something a first option does? Kobe had the ball more than Shaq in 2 out of the 3 title runs.

Shaq was their best player. Its not really up for debate.

With that being the case, it does kind of show that the amount of credit we give to players for winning titles and defining them by if they were the best player, 2nd best player, 3rd best player, etc., can be kinda unfair. Like I said, whether you think Duncan or Kawhi was the Spurs best player in 2014, Kobe in 01 and 02 was clearly better. You can make the same arguments for Kobe against Isiah in 89 and 90, KG or Pierce in 08, etc.

[Manny98]

If that's your criteria...

Wilt >>> LeBron

:confusedshrug:
Post Wilts finals numbers

[Manny98]

https://i.postimg.cc/59T5dRYb/f6949ed.jpg




GOAT... that is all
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[LostCause]

How many of those playoff games did he win though?

Reminder that Westbrook has averaged a triple double for like 4 years now. GOAT?

[Manny98]

How many of those playoff games did he win though?

Reminder that Westbrook has averaged a triple double for like 4 years now. GOAT?
LeBron is 18-6 in the playoffs when he has gotten a triple double

[And1AllDay]

https://i.postimg.cc/59T5dRYb/f6949ed.jpg




GOAT... that is all


CLOSE

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[LostCause]

Yet almost every one of those players has won more championships lol

Might have something to do with it

[Manny98]

Yet almost every one of those players has won more championships lol

Might have something to do with it
No only 3/5 have won more championships and LeBron hasn't finished yet idiot

[Manny98]

https://i.postimg.cc/59T5dRYb/f6949ed.jpg




GOAT... that is all
LeBron is now at 49

Jordan,Bird,Magic,Duncan,Hakeem combined, 45

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