How come all players who played against both LeBron and Kobe

[selrahc]

respect and admire kobe more?

[MrFonzworth]

Because they're all corrupt. That's why media is generally seen as more referenceable and unbiased, they provide the most accurate opinions.
Gregg P is a pedophile

[superduper]

Because according to my anonymous Bran stan friend on here they all admire Kobe's ability to chuck over 4 people and get it in sometimes. Everyone who plays/coaches/GMs in the highest level of basketball competition in the world likes flashy chuckers apparently.

Real answer- Kobe had more heart/skill/intangibles/integrity

[Shogon]

Because Kobe was a far more versatile scorer and because a significant number of people only judge a player's worth on their individual scoring ability because a significant number of people are stupid? Not sure. May have something to do with it.

[bison]

respect and admire kobe more?

Probably the same reason you respect and admire the dudes that you film f*cking your wife rather than the ones you merely see in porn you disgusting cuckold.

[Vino24]

because they felt bad that Kobe was 6-16 vs LeBron.

[KingMambaFan]

because they felt bad that Kobe was 6-16 vs LeBron.

BS aside, both players are respected :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Bosnian Sajo]

Because Kobe was a far more versatile scorer and because a significant number of people only judge a player's worth on their individual scoring ability because a significant number of people are stupid? Not sure. May have something to do with it.


You act as if Lebron is a better defender than Kobe :oldlol:


The only thing LeBron has over Kobe is longevity, and he has that over every player in NBA history not named Kareem or Karl Malone.

Kobe is the better individual scorer, individual defender, and team defender.

You can give LeBron playmaking too, although that is absolutely not to say that Kobe was not a supremely talented play maker.

[Bosnian Sajo]

BS aside, both players are respected :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


This.


And both are Lakers fam.

[Manny98]

You act as if Lebron is a better defender than Kobe :oldlol:


The only thing LeBron has over Kobe is longevity, and he has that over every player in NBA history not named Kareem or Karl Malone.

Kobe is the better individual scorer, individual defender, and team defender.

You can give LeBron playmaking too, although that is absolutely not to say that Kobe was not a supremely talented play maker.
Kobe is not a better team defender stop f*cking trolling

[Bosnian Sajo]

Kobe is not a better team defender stop f*cking trolling


mmmm, his awards say different, as does the eye test.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/awards/all_defensive_teams_player_1st.htm

Next :oldlol:

[superduper]

Hello? Anybody have a legit answer to this one?

[Manny98]

mmmm, his awards say different, as does the eye test.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/awards/all_defensive_teams_player_1st.htm

Next :oldlol:
So Kobe is a better defender than Scottie Pippen according to your logic

Sounds about right

[Bosnian Sajo]

So Kobe is a better defender than Scottie Pippen according to your logic

Sounds about right


Well now you're comparing Scottie who was on 10 all defensive teams with Kobe who was on 12 all defensive teams. This is a much more sound comparison than comparing Kobe and Lebron as defenders.


I can't speak much on Scottie since I wasn't old enough to watch him in his prime, but from what I've recollected through people that watched him play and the actual guys guarded by him, Pippen is one of the best.


I have no qualms about you putting Pippen over Bryant in terms of defense, he very well could be the best defensive SF in NBA history.

[superduper]

Hello? Anybody have a legit answer to this one?

Hello?

[Bosnian Sajo]

I know for a FACT you will never watch this video, but here is a glimpse of Kobe as a defender:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VCVP9L25vk

MIND YOU, that video is mostly just his blocks...it's not showing his regular coverage on players. A glimpse of that can be seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBu28UwDzps

Ultimate 1 on 1 defender and help defender, extremely underrated off ball defender.


This isn't even a biased view...Kobe is among the best perimeter defenders of all time. Like these are things you cannot take away from him, no matter how hard you try. We have the tapes and we have the awards to show you, you just gotta open your eyes.

[Manny98]

Well now you're comparing Scottie who was on 10 all defensive teams with Kobe who was on 12 all defensive teams. This is a much more sound comparison than comparing Kobe and Lebron as defenders.


I can't speak much on Scottie since I wasn't old enough to watch him in his prime, but from what I've recollected through people that watched him play and the actual guys guarded by him, Pippen is one of the best.


I have no qualms about you putting Pippen over Bryant in terms of defense, he very well could be the best defensive SF in NBA history.
Tony Allen only has 3 i guess he's a worst defender than Kobe according to retard

[superduper]

Tony Allen only has 3 i guess he's a worst defender than Kobe according to retard

Tony Allen was a good defender but his defense was overstated because that was the only thing he was good at. Kobe was better.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Tony Allen only has 3 i guess he's a worst defender than Kobe according to retard


No, Tony Allen has 6 selections all time. Same as LeBron.


3 1st team, 3 2nd team. (6 total)


Pippen

8 1st team, 2 2nd team (10 total)


Kobe

9 1st team, 3 2nd team (12 total)



LeBron

5 1st team, 1 2nd team (6 total)


I'm not using defensive team selections ALONE to base this fact that Kobe was a much better defender than LeBron, although it helps the argument damn it. You don't make 12 All defense teams in the NBA if you're an average defender. He's among the best of the best.


You CANT deny that. There is no argument you can put up for LeBron being a better defender.

[Manny98]

Tony Allen was a good defender but his defense was overstated because that was the only thing he was good at. Kobe was better.
Kobe stans have hit a new low

Better defender than Tony Allen? have you lost your mind

Kobe was a good defender when locked in he's probably a better 1 v 1 defender than LeBron but LeBron is a far superior help defender and better team ,though Kobe had years where he played absolutely no defense

Tony Allen is arguably the greatest perimeter defender ever Kobe is not close just stop it

[Bosnian Sajo]

Tony Allen was a good defender but his defense was overstated because that was the only thing he was good at.


Pause, I don't agree with that. Tony Allen was an absolute DOG on defense. I still put Kobe above him in terms of defense, but we are not going to act like Allen's defense was overstated.


With that said, we are NOT going to act like LeBron is a poor defender either. LeBron is a GREAT defender. Was at least, the last couple of years he has been very bad defensively but that comes with age.


Although I'm not going to sit here and act like LeBron wasn't a great defender only to "prop up Kobe". Bron was a dog on defense as well. Although when we are talking about the best of the best, best all time? He doesn't cut it over Bean.


There is no shame in that.

[Manny98]

No, Tony Allen has 6 selections all time. Same as LeBron.


3 1st team, 3 2nd team. (6 total)


Pippen

8 1st team, 2 2nd team (10 total)


Kobe

9 1st team, 3 2nd team (12 total)



LeBron

5 1st team, 1 2nd team (6 total)


I'm not using defensive team selections ALONE to base this fact that Kobe was a much better defender than LeBron, although it helps the argument damn it. You don't make 12 All defense teams in the NBA if you're an average defender. He's among the best of the best.


You CANT deny that. There is no argument you can put up for LeBron being a better defender.
I can't even:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Bosnian Sajo]

though Kobe had years where he played absolutely no defense

When? His last 3 years in the league where he was a shell of his former self? Becuase I know you aren't talking about any year prior to 2014.




Tony Allen is arguably the greatest perimeter defender ever Kobe is not close just stop it


Now that's overrating Tony Allen. You put him over Pippen, Kobe, Jordan, Payton, Kawhi???

[Bosnian Sajo]

Best perimeter defenders in NBA history (NO ORDER) (I may have missed some, list is off top of my head)




Gary Payton

Michael Jordan

Scottie Pippen

Kobe Bryant

Sidney Moncrief

Joe Dumars

Alvin Robertson

Dennis Johnson

Ron Artest

Kawhi Leonard

Bruce Bowen






LeBron doesn't crack that list. We are talking about THE BEST OF THE BEST.

[superduper]

Hello? Anybody have a legit answer to this one?

Manny? Hello?

[bigkingsfan]

Take Phil Jackson’s words:

“Kobe’s defense, to be accurate, has faltered in recent years, despite his presence on the league’s all-defensive team. The voters have been seduced by his remarkable athleticism and spectacular steals, but he hasn’t played sound, fundamental defense.

"Mesmerized by the ball, he’s gambled too frequently, putting us out of position, forcing rotations that leave a man wide open, and doesn’t keep his feet on the ground.”

[Bosnian Sajo]

[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]Take Phil Jackson

[Manny98]

When? His last 3 years in the league where he was a shell of his former self? Becuase I know you aren't talking about any year prior to 2014.





Now that's overrating Tony Allen. You put him over Pippen, Kobe, Jordan, Payton, Kawhi???
The 05,06 and 07 seasons he was literally a negative on defense those years and the Lakers were the worst defensive team in the league

You're heavily overrating Kobe as a defender. In terms of 1 v 1 defense he was one of the best ever but he wasn't locked in enough on a night to night basis to be considered top tier with guys like Pippen and Allen

Let's be honest he only really got that many 1st team selections because of reputation he definitely didn't deserve it some of those years

[bigkingsfan]

What year is this in reference to when he is saying his D faltered?


Phil is Obviously comparing 2 versions of Kobe, saying at some point in time (idk what year this quote is from) Kobe's defense was not that which it was when he was at his prime, which you can literally say about ANY basketball player when looking at anything they do lol.
It's from his book published in 2005, in reference to the 2003

[LAmbruh]

:kobe:



Reeks like another camp fire story Brick Scouts try to speak into existence chuck gene, killer brickstinct, etc :oldlol: )



Unfortunately the universal Consensus clearly states Kobe has never breached Top 11 all time, EVER.


Meanwhile LeTop3 been dripped up n draped outwith Magic, Larry n Keem on Mt Goatmore since his 20's :applause:

[Manny98]

Best perimeter defenders in NBA history (NO ORDER) (I may have missed some, list is off top of my head)




Gary Payton

Michael Jordan

Scottie Pippen

Kobe Bryant

Sidney Moncrief

Joe Dumars

Alvin Robertson

Dennis Johnson

Ron Artest

Kawhi Leonard

Bruce Bowen






LeBron doesn't crack that list. We are talking about THE BEST OF THE BEST.
Prime LeBron was in the DPOY conversation over guys like Dwight Howard. Everyone knows he should have won it in 2013 but he got screwed.

Peak LeBron was the most versatile defender we have see who could defend 1-5 and is arguably the GOAT at help defense

LeBrons ability to read the offense was on another level as well

Kobe has never in consideration for DPOY once in his career

[superduper]

Prime LeBron was in the DPOY conversation over guys like Dwight Howard. Everyone knows he should have won it in 2013 but he got screwed.

Peak LeBron was the most versatile defender we have see who could defend 1-5 and is arguably the GOAT at help defense

Kobe has never in consideration for DPOY once in his career

Okay so by your logic Joakim Noah is a better defender than Duncan :facepalm :facepalm

[LAmbruh]

Damn, Manny running a marathon around Chechnya Sajo :oldlol:

[Bosnian Sajo]

[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]It's from his book published in 2005, in reference to the 2003

[Bosnian Sajo]

You're heavily overrating Kobe as a defender.


How am I overrating him?


I'm not putting him over Jordan, Pippen, Payton, etc.


I'm just saying he was an all time great defender and a better defender than Bron.


Do you not understand that NO PLAYER in NBA history has more All defensive 1st team selections? And that only 1 player has more total defensive team selections than Bryant, and that is the great Tim Duncan with an astounding 15 selections. Again, I've not used this as my SOLE argument as to why he is a defensive great, but those selections speak volumes as to what kind of defender bean was.


This is what I mean about LeBron stans. You guys don't give ANY CREDIT to anything that Kobe has accomplished in his career, meanwhile I can easily admit to the greatness of LeBron James.


This is the difference between biased fans and unbiased fans. There is no arguing with yall, no matter what facts are brought up...game tapes...accolades...none of that matter, the only thing that matters to you guys is to act like Kobe was a scrub of a player and it makes you look idiotic.

[Manny98]

How am I overrating him?


I'm not putting him over Jordan, Pippen, Payton, etc.


I'm just saying he was an all time great defender and a better defender than Bron.


Do you not understand that NO PLAYER in NBA history has more All defensive 1st team selections? And that only 1 player has more total defensive team selections than Bryant, and that is the great Tim Duncan with an astounding 15 selections. Again, I've not used this as my SOLE argument as to why he is a defensive great, but those selections speak volumes as to what kind of defender bean was.


This is what I mean about LeBron stans. You guys don't give ANY CREDIT to anything that Kobe has accomplished in his career, meanwhile I can easily admit to the greatness of LeBron James.


This is the difference between biased fans and unbiased fans. There is no arguing with yall, no matter what facts are brought up...game tapes...accolades...none of that matter, the only thing that matters to you guys is to act like Kobe was a scrub of a player and it makes you look idiotic.
You literally think Kobe is a better defender than Tony Allen & peak LeBron

But im the biased one :oldlol:

I'm not acting like he's a scrub either i think he's a top 8-12 player of all time and a top 15-20 perimeter defender he's just not as good as you stans believe him to be

[Bosnian Sajo]

You literally think Kobe is a better defender than Tony Allen & peak LeBron

But im the biased one :oldlol:

I'm not acting like he's a scrub either i think he's a top 8-12 player of all time and a top 15-20 perimeter defender


What in the ****ing world is so crazy about that......

[aj1987]

What in the ****ing world is so crazy about that......
Yeah, Kobe is not even remotely close to being as good as LeBron, when it comes to defense. Dude has had like 4-5 good defensive seasons. That's it. Extremely overrated defender.

[superduper]

Does ANYBODY have a direct answer to the OP without any deflections or insecurities?

PLEASE.. anybody?

[aj1987]

Does ANYBODY have a direct answer to the OP without any deflections or insecurities?

PLEASE.. anybody?
The same reason why your idol is one of the worst owners in the history of the NBA. The same reason why Chuck and Shaq (two of the greatest to ever touch a basketball) have completely autistic basketball opinions. The same reason why players making $100M+ go broke 2 seasons after retiring. Most NBA players are not very smart.

[Mr Feeny]

What in the ****ing world is so crazy about that......

Omg:oldlol: Are you plain, flat out deluded?:roll:

Lebron and Tony Allen arent just better defenders. They're about 10 tiers above Kobe as defensive players. There is no way you sleep at night actually believing for a second the your hero is close to them a defensive player, unless you know nothing about basketball.

[Mr Feeny]

You literally think Kobe is a better defender than Tony Allen & peak LeBron

But im the biased one :oldlol:

I'm not acting like he's a scrub either i think he's a top 8-12 player of all time and a top 15-20 perimeter defender he's just not as good as you stans believe him to be

You know someone is deluded when Manny - of all people- seems like the reasonable one, in comparison. I dont think I've seen many more deluded posters than this Kobe stan.

[baudkarma]

Does ANYBODY have a direct answer to the OP without any deflections or insecurities?

PLEASE.. anybody?

Sure, let's look at what OP said...


Re: How come all players who played against both LeBron and Kobe respect and admire kobe more?

I would submit that his initial assumption is incorrect. I doubt all players who competed against both guys respect and admire Kobe more. I would bet that a substantial number of them actually think LeBron is better. What's the split? 70/30? 40/60? 50/50?

You can't know. Many players opinions on the subject are unknown. Other players will flip-flop if they feel that there's a benefit to supporting on player over the other. Guy might say LeBron is better if he's playing in Cle, but if a month later he's traded to the Lakers, then Kobe is his guy.

[PickernRoller]

Anyone? Anyone?

[sportjames23]

Damn, Manny running a marathon around Chechnya Sajo :oldlol:

You mean Manny is getting his shit pushed in. As usual.

[SpaceJammeR]

lol at kobe over tony allen as a defender. you lost all credibility from everything you post after that. kobe was overrated on the defensive end and even phil admitted it.

[Mr Feeny]

lol at kobe over tony allen as a defender. you lost all credibility from everything you post after that. kobe was overrated on the defensive end and even phil admitted it.I really can't believe I read that:oldlol:

[pauk]

It is true some prefered Kobe over Lebron in various context, if you like score first mentality then he is your guy and with his size he was a bit more relatable i guess.

Some players (and fans) were also kinda jelous of Lebron early on in his career kindof like with Jordan in the 80s with Bird/Magic around... i mean due to appreciation it was not nice to just throw Magic/Bird (Kobe) under the bus even tho players, we and our mamaz knew Lebron/Jordan were the best/at least most talented players in the league deep down...

they couldnt accept the inevitable surpassing until it was undisputed Lebron/Jordan surpassed those guys and/or even became goats...

Even tho some of those STILL today have not accepted that Jordan/Lebron > Magic/Bird/Kobe....... Like you OP....

[PickernRoller]

The whole LeTard family has gathered in this thread to come to terms with reality.

Too easy for OP.

:cheers:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Both are respectable.

I guess Kobe has those moments where he played through injuries heroically and just strived hard and "squeezed every ounce of juice" out of him using Kobe's words.


Lebron on the other hand is just a straight up prot

[LAL]

It is true some prefered Kobe over Lebron in various context, if you like score first mentality then he is your guy and with his size he was a bit more relatable i guess.

Some players (and fans) were also kinda jelous of Lebron early on in his career kindof like with Jordan in the 80s with Bird/Magic around... i mean due to appreciation it was not nice to just throw Magic/Bird (Kobe) under the bus even tho players, we and our mamaz knew Lebron/Jordan were the best/at least most talented players in the league deep down...

they couldnt accept the inevitable surpassing until it was undisputed Lebron/Jordan surpassed those guys and/or even became goats...

Even tho some of those STILL today have not accepted that Jordan/Lebron > Magic/Bird/Kobe....... Like you OP....
Best? Most talented? Lebron? Why?


Dude is still ordinary in regular half court action, no post moves, no jumpshot, sharing the ball to mask his weaknesses, six finals losses, ..

Stats can do wonders for your reputation and he knows that, thats why he went to the lakers instead of averaging 19 next to embid/simmons or harden/cp3 and try to win..

[superduper]

Does ANYBODY have a direct answer to the OP without any deflections or insecurities?

PLEASE.. anybody?

Hello? Is anybody there?