Does Manny Pacquiao have a case for GOAT?

[stalkerforlife]

He is the only eight-division world champion in the history of boxing, having won thirteen major world titles, as well as being the first boxer to win the lineal championship in five different weight divisions. Pacquiao is also the first boxer in history to win major world titles in four of the original eight weight divisions of boxing, also known as the "glamour divisions": flyweight, featherweight, lightweight and welterweight. As of July 2019, he is the current WBA (Super) welterweight title holder.

Looks like he has a case...

(Eye test certifiable)

[Im so nba'd out]

So you're telling me a flyweight....moves up 30+ pounds...and walked down prime miguel cotto....and im suppose to believe he did this 100% legit.


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A natural flyweight....walking through welterweight punches.....Let that sink in

[stalkerforlife]

So you're telling me a flyweight....moves up 30+ pounds...and walked down prime miguel cotto....and im suppose to believe he did this 100% legit.


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A natural flyweight....walking through welterweight punches.....Let that sink in

Manny is a devoted Christian.

:biggums:

[iamgine]

Resume wise, you could sort of make an argument. He's already one of the greats after all.

However, he's not perceived at the top. In perception, to be GOAT, you need to beat the great ones. He barely beat JMM, even KOed at their last fight. Then he lost to Mayweather.

[Im so nba'd out]

and remember, unlike everyone else who moves up in weight classes (that losses punching power)....Somehow Manny is gaining punching power and stopping guys easier the more he moves up :roll:



Even though that has never happened with any professional fighter of any sport.....EVER!

https://e2.365dm.com/15/03/768x432/miguel-cotto-manny-pacquiao-boxing_3273149.jpg


breaking the orbital bone (with gloves on) of a super welterweight


https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/broken-orbital-bone.jpg




He is the guy moving up in weight classes, yet "somehow" he's the one walking through all their punches like he's a middleweight

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-17-2015/MGJfhr.gif

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This is what happens when someone fights a boxer just one weight class over them....Amir Khan was easily winning this fight but the 1st clean punch Canelo landed = this

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/YawningConsciousChimneyswift-size_restricted.gif


Yet manny walks through these types of punches on the regular (but only when its not VADA testing going on) Everytime its professional testing from VADA, he loses or gets knocked out cold.All his mysterious punching power disappears,his ability to walk through punches like superman disappears, and his non stop motor disappears EVERY TIME THERE IS VADA TESTING.

[stalkerforlife]

and remember, unlike everyone else who moves up in weight classes (that losses punching power)....Somehow Manny is gaining punching power and stopping guys easier the more he moves up :roll:



Even though that has never happened with any professional fighter of any sport.....EVER!

https://e2.365dm.com/15/03/768x432/miguel-cotto-manny-pacquiao-boxing_3273149.jpg


breaking the orbital bone (with gloves on) of a super welterweight


https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/broken-orbital-bone.jpg




He is the guy moving up in weight classes, yet "somehow" he's the one walking through all their punches like he's a middleweight

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-17-2015/MGJfhr.gif

http://i35.tinypic.com/ad2nhf.gif


This is what happens when someone fights a boxer just one weight class over them....Amir Khan was easily winning this fight but the 1st clean punch Canelo landed = this

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/YawningConsciousChimneyswift-size_restricted.gif

So you agree that Manny is GOAT.

[1987_Lakers]

As far as pound for pound, he is up there with the very best. You can actually rank him ahead of Mayweather because of all the titles he won in different weight classes.

[Im so nba'd out]

So you agree that Manny is GOAT.

of course not

With PEDs and no VADA testing? I will bet on him over anyone in boxing right now though


Weird that he almost always demands for his fights to have no testing."no no no i don't like(painless) needles" http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/roll.gif

[highwhey]

87-0, never dodged a threat

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[1987_Lakers]

87-0, never dodged a threat

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His fight with Meldrick Taylor is an all-time classic, Chavez was getting dominated the whole fight then out of nowhere Chavez knocks him out in the 12th round. Taylor was never the same after that fight. Still a very controversial fight to this day.

HBO did a very good short doc on the fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3_Hlaggeks

I've seen Chavez in interviews call Taylor the best boxer he ever went up against.

[Im so nba'd out]

The fighters know Manny is popping PEDs like Skittles.....just listen to em



https://youtu.be/y31Xq5tzbLM?t=69


floyd a year or 2 before he fought Manny(back when manny was saying he will only fight floyd with no testing)


The second he agreed to it....Floyd signed the contract that day!Destroyed em

[Rooster]

and remember, unlike everyone else who moves up in weight classes (that losses punching power)....Somehow Manny is gaining punching power and stopping guys easier the more he moves up :roll:



Even though that has never happened with any professional fighter of any sport.....EVER!

https://e2.365dm.com/15/03/768x432/miguel-cotto-manny-pacquiao-boxing_3273149.jpg


breaking the orbital bone (with gloves on) of a super welterweight


https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/broken-orbital-bone.jpg




He is the guy moving up in weight classes, yet "somehow" he's the one walking through all their punches like he's a middleweight

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-17-2015/MGJfhr.gif

http://i35.tinypic.com/ad2nhf.gif


This is what happens when someone fights a boxer just one weight class over them....Amir Khan was easily winning this fight but the 1st clean punch Canelo landed = this

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/YawningConsciousChimneyswift-size_restricted.gif


Yet manny walks through these types of punches on the regular (but only when its not VADA testing going on) Everytime its professional testing from VADA, he loses or gets knocked out cold.All his mysterious punching power disappears,his ability to walk through punches like superman disappears, and his non stop motor disappears EVERY TIME THERE IS VADA TESTING.


LMAO . EVER.😂 You sound like a Casual fan. 😂

[Rooster]

He is the only eight-division world champion in the history of boxing, having won thirteen major world titles, as well as being the first boxer to win the lineal championship in five different weight divisions. Pacquiao is also the first boxer in history to win major world titles in four of the original eight weight divisions of boxing, also known as the "glamour divisions": flyweight, featherweight, lightweight and welterweight. As of July 2019, he is the current WBA (Super) welterweight title holder.

Looks like he has a case...

(Eye test certifiable)

Boxing has a rich history and in today

[highwhey]

His fight with Meldrick Taylor is an all-time classic, Chavez was getting dominated the whole fight then out of nowhere Chavez knocks him out in the 12th round. Taylor was never the same after that fight. Still a very controversial fight to this day.

HBO did a very good short doc on the fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3_Hlaggeks

I've seen Chavez in interviews call Taylor the best boxer he ever went up against.
:pimp: thanks for the link, i'm about to watch this

[Vino24]

being able to take punches is amazing in the moment however it is MUCH worse for the fighter in the long run. Manny's brain is going to be mush post retirement :(

[coin24]

being able to take punches is amazing in the moment however it is MUCH worse for the fighter in the long run. Manny's brain is going to be mush post retirement :(


Filos don't have much brains to start with:oldlol:

[highwhey]

being able to take punches is amazing in the moment however it is MUCH worse for the fighter in the long run. Manny's brain is going to be mush post retirement :(
that's why JCC is the GOAT. still coherent at 57, actually more than coherent, he's normal. i can't think of many boxers that took as many punches to the head as JCC without getting KO'd. he was a punching bag for most of his career and somehow still won most of his fights. that's pure Mexican grit and heart, nothing most of you will ever know of.

[Vino24]

that's why JCC is the GOAT. still coherent at 57, actually more than coherent, he's normal. i can't think of many boxers that took as many punches to the head as JCC without getting KO'd. he was a punching bag for most of his career and somehow still won most of his fights. that's pure Mexican grit and heart, nothing most of you will ever know of.
he's also still just 57. that shit can flip like a light switch (usually does)

[Rooster]

87-0, never dodged a threat

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True he was not a ducker nor a cherrypicker like Floyd but he should have taken an L before he reach 87 but got a gifted with a draw.

The GOAT is the one who went 128-1 in his prime with the only L was against another all time great who outweighted him by 16 pounds.

Walker Smith Jr.

[highwhey]

he's also still just 57. that shit can flip like a light switch (usually does)
it will be a sad day if it does happen, but i don't think it will, he's some sort of anomaly bc he took so much punches and hasn't shown signs of deterioration decades after.

[highwhey]

True he was not a ducker nor a cherrypicker like Floyd but he should have taken an L before he reach 87 but got a gifted with a draw.

The GOAT is the one who went 128-1 in his prime with the only L was against another all time great who outweighted him by 16 pounds.

Walker Smith Jr.
Sugar had an L around his 40ish fight tho...

[Rooster]

Sugar had an L around his 40ish fight tho...

And so did El Le

[Rooster]

Resume wise, you could sort of make an argument. He's already one of the greats after all.

However, he's not perceived at the top. In perception, to be GOAT, you need to beat the great ones. He barely beat JMM, even KOed at their last fight. Then he lost to Mayweather.

He

[iamgine]

[QUOTE=Rooster]He

[Bawkish]

big Pac fan here but i'd say he's in top 15

[SCREWstonRockets]

Hes arguably top 10

[plowking]

No.

He lost every fight against JMM and got beat by Floyd.

[Mask the Embiid]

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absolutely nothing is odd about this picture :oldlol:








http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Manny+Pacquiao+Manny+Pacquiao+v+Marco+Antonio+8Wcu xTfb3FSl.jpg
him 10+ years earlier 12 pounds lighter....somehow his head fit better with the smaller body....hmm


Top 10 all time babe bee!











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[SomeBlackDude]

[QUOTE=Rooster]Boxing has a rich history and in today

[stalkerforlife]

No.

He lost every fight against JMM and got beat by Floyd.

So just straight up lying now.

Gotcha.

[stalkerforlife]

even if you take out all the supers and juniors/belt orgs that have been added over time, pacman is still the only fighter ever to win the lineal title in 4 different original weight divisions (he has 5 lineal straps over all, the record). means you can trace those championships all the way back to virtually the beginning of boxing as an organized sport. back to the original weight classes.

:bowdown:

Boxing expert giving props. :cheers:

[Rooster]

even if you take out all the supers and juniors/belt orgs that have been added over time, pacman is still the only fighter ever to win the lineal title in 4 different original weight divisions (he has 5 lineal straps over all, the record). means you can trace those championships all the way back to virtually the beginning of boxing as an organized sport. back to the original weight classes.

:bowdown:

That’s not entirely true because he never fought at bantamweight. However 3 lineal titles is still a record he share with Henry Jackson and Bob Fitzsimmons. Fitzsimmons is one of the rare guys like Pac that knocked out guys moving up did that from middle weight to heavyweight. Armstrong was more remarkable because he was jumping 3 weight classes simultaneously at the same time.

[Charlie Sheen]

Hell no. A-side meth is the real GOAT. Feel no pain and walk through bullets on that stuff. :lol

[SomeBlackDude]

Hell no. A-side meth is the real GOAT. Feel no pain and walk through bullets on that stuff. :lol

greatest reason to duck a fight in combat sports history.

can't see the dude in the ring because ancient filipino magic makes him invulnerable to bullets.

roger knows shit about boxing. :applause:

[SomeBlackDude]

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absolutely nothing is odd about this picture








http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Manny+Pacquiao+Manny+Pacquiao+v+Marco+Antonio+8Wcu xTfb3FSl.jpg
him 10+ years earlier 12 pounds lighter....somehow his head fit better with the smaller body....hmm


Top 10 all time babe bee!











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from featherweight through welter/super welter, manny always rehydrated to the same range, like 145-150ish. he just figured out, like floyd did, fight closer to your natural weight instead of killing yourself to make weight the night before the fight and you perform better in the big show.

dudes shed weight for months and then put on like 15-20 lbs overnight after the weigh-in. that's not optimal, and it's what manny did for years. once he stopped and started fighting closer to his fight night weight, he was in peak form. same with floyd. at ww, he puts on like 3-5 lb max overnight. so while his opponent is pushing himself to the point of exhaustion, dehydration, etc, he can live relatively comfortably, eat fast food (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lCOp78pEz4), etc.

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^135 (lightweight fight) pac puts on 12.5 lbs overnight, diaz 13.

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^147 (welterweight) fight. manny puts on 3 lbs overnight, shane 17 lbs overnight.

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^152 catchweight fight, canelo blows up 13 lbs overnight after killing himself for months to make weight. floyd chills, actually loses 1/2 lb overnight.

as you see, the difference between lightweight (135) and welterweight (147) is 12 lbs, but in the ring on fight night, there was only a 1 lb difference for pacquiao. he just figured out what floyd figured out before him. stay closer to your fighting weight, let your opponent drain himself during training camp and then balloon up double digits overnight. you get to eat as much and whatever you want and fight night you're in peak form.

don't know why more fighters don't follow their example.

[Bawkish]

[QUOTE=Rooster]That

[plowking]

So just straight up lying now.

Gotcha.

No one is lying. There isn't a single proper boxing fan that thinks Manny won any of his fights against JMM.

Not a bad thing but can't be GOAT when one guy has your number so bad, along with the fact Floyd was better and beat him.

[Bawkish]

No one is lying. There isn't a single proper boxing fan that thinks Manny won any of his fights against JMM.

Not a bad thing but can't be GOAT when one guy has your number so bad, along with the fact Floyd was better and beat him.

All their fights were close enough but to say Manny didnt win any of their fight is biased. I thought Manny won their first and 3rd meeting while JMM won the 2nd and obviously the 4th. Theyve been basically fighting each other almost every year so JMM knew how to deal with Pac. But it doesnt mean that he's dominating him every turn. JMM ended up likely beaten worse than Pac every time they fight

[stalkerforlife]

No one is lying. There isn't a single proper boxing fan that thinks Manny won any of his fights against JMM.

Not a bad thing but can't be GOAT when one guy has your number so bad, along with the fact Floyd was better and beat him.

:roll:

Manny knocked him down three times in the first round of the first fight.

JMM didn't do enough going forward to overcome that.

The judge didn't even know he could score a round 10-6 like the others did and it cost Manny the fight. The judge apologized profusely.

[The Iron Fist]

that's why JCC is the GOAT. still coherent at 57, actually more than coherent, he's normal. i can't think of many boxers that took as many punches to the head as JCC without getting KO'd. he was a punching bag for most of his career and somehow still won most of his fights. that's pure Mexican grit and heart, nothing most of you will ever know of.
I dont think you saw Chavez fight. He was nothing close to being a punching bag on defense. He slipped, rolled and blocked punches with the best of them. His head movement and upper body movement is why he was able to have so many fights. Holds the record for most championship fights 37, and most defenses 27. You don

[GimmeThat]

I wonder what type of gymnastic moves he can do

[Prometheus]

I wonder what type of gymnastic moves he can do

no u dont

[Bosnian Sajo]

pound for pound...who has better a better case that they are ACTUALLY capable of being successful in so many divisions?


Don't get me wrong, we have seen plenty of better fighters...but POUND FOR POUND? You HAVE TO bring Pacman up.

[Lebron23]

Yes. Pacquiao is the greatest boxer in the last 30 years. Floyd might have beaten him, but Manny is rank higher just like sugar ray leonard defeating duran. Roberto Duran is rank higher than srl because he defeated more elite boxers.