View Full Version : Kawhi said this was the first time in his career he gets to play with an elite player
Carbine
07-26-2019, 11:40 PM
He played with first team all NBA Duncan his second year, someone who resembled 2007 Duncan far more than any other previous years of Duncan and 07 Duncan was arguably the best impact player in the league.
I thought it was pretty interesting Kawhi said that. He played with Parker at the tail end but still in his prime as well.
Spurs m8
07-26-2019, 11:50 PM
He said elite player in their prime, basically.
Which is true
SomeBlackDude
07-26-2019, 11:56 PM
he has a point. duncan was still great, but clearly well past his prime.
never personally considered tony parker 'elite'.
he won a championship with pascal siakam riding shotgun and kyle lowry in the baby seat.
he has a point.
SouBeachTalents
07-26-2019, 11:58 PM
he has a point. duncan was still great, but clearly well past his prime.
never personally considered tony parker 'elite'.
he won a championship with pascal siakam riding shotgun and kyle lowry in the baby seat.
he has a point.
What does elite truly mean though? If he means superstar caliber, he'd definitely be correct. For example, you consider Aldridge to be an "elite" player?
Carbine
07-27-2019, 12:07 AM
Aldridge was third team, second team, third team and second team all NBA in a span of 2014-2018
He wasn't a superstar like Bron, KD, Harden but neither is PG13
Prometheus
07-27-2019, 12:28 AM
He's just gassing up his teammate.
AussieSteve
07-27-2019, 01:13 AM
he has a point. duncan was still great, but clearly well past his prime.
never personally considered tony parker 'elite'.
he won a championship with pascal siakam riding shotgun and kyle lowry in the baby seat.
he has a point.
Siakam and Lowry won him 2 finals games though
imdaman99
07-27-2019, 08:01 AM
He's just gassing up his teammate.
This. He knows PG13 has snake-like tendencies and you gotta blow bubbles up his behind for him to stay happy. Westbrook did the same for him to keep him there and even that was temporary :lol
Twiens
07-27-2019, 12:28 PM
Siakam > PG
This will be obvious by the end of this season
ImKobe
07-27-2019, 12:40 PM
Siakam > PG
This will be obvious by the end of this season
Not far-fetched at all. Siakam could very well average better numbers as a potential 1st option in Toronto while PG will be recovering from his shoulder injuries and probably averaging 20-23 ppg as a 2nd option to Kawhi.
FKAri
07-27-2019, 12:51 PM
He's just gassing up his teammate.
Pretty much. Even if it is true.
FireDavidKahn
07-27-2019, 12:58 PM
OP conveniently left out how Kawhi specifically said "around the same age as me"
"This is probably going to be my first time playing with an elite player of his level," Leonard said of George in an interview with ESPN's Rachel Nichols. "You know, around the same age as me, same talent. I'm excited."
superduper
07-27-2019, 01:16 PM
Kawhi gonna learn the hard way he should've stayed in Toronto.
PGs a fraud.
He played with first team all NBA Duncan his second year, someone who resembled 2007 Duncan far more than any other previous years of Duncan and 07 Duncan was arguably the best impact player in the league.
I thought it was pretty interesting Kawhi said that. He played with Parker at the tail end but still in his prime as well.
While Duncan was All-NBA 1st team and All-Defensive 2nd team in 2013, he was 37 years old and far from 2007 (much less his MVP years). George was All-NBA 1st team, All-Defensive 1st team and Steals leader - 2nd or 3rd in MVP consideration and therefore ELITE.
Kawhi played with Parker from 2011 on. Parker was only (ever) All-NBA 2nd team from 2012-14 - not elite.
houston
07-28-2019, 12:24 AM
He's just gassing up his teammate.
this true
Carbine
07-28-2019, 12:31 AM
He was not far from his 2007 form at all. The previous 3 years or so he was a shell of himself because he wasn't a great impact defender like 2009 and before. He couldn't move well.
Then he was first team All NBA again. Focused on some unique training before that season and was moving like he was 30 again.
Remember, I'm not saying he was exactly 2007 Duncan but he was really really close because of the returned defensive impact and he was still giving ppl buckets and running offense through him when called upon. He hung 25 or so in the first half of a potential close out game and a lot of those were iso post ups. He embarrassed Gasol and Zbo that year too with his defense. The entire reason the Spurs returned to glory after years of failures (relative to their standards) was because Duncan returned to elite status.
I'd probably take that version of Duncan over the first team big of this year.
PickernRoller
07-28-2019, 04:57 AM
He's right :confusedshrug:
Session
07-28-2019, 06:31 AM
Paul George's prime has nothing to do against the worse Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili or Tony Parker.
ZERO RINGS AGAINST FIVE RINGS :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
He was not far from his 2007 form at all. The previous 3 years or so he was a shell of himself because he wasn't a great impact defender like 2009 and before. He couldn't move well.
Then he was first team All NBA again. Focused on some unique training before that season and was moving like he was 30 again.
Remember, I'm not saying he was exactly 2007 Duncan but he was really really close because of the returned defensive impact and he was still giving ppl buckets and running offense through him when called upon. He hung 25 or so in the first half of a potential close out game and a lot of those were iso post ups. He embarrassed Gasol and Zbo that year too with his defense. The entire reason the Spurs returned to glory after years of failures (relative to their standards) was because Duncan returned to elite status.
I'd probably take that version of Duncan over the first team big of this year.
Oh, I hear you. Sometimes, I do wish that Spurs had won 2013 Finals - it would have given TD a 4th FMVP but 2014 Finals was just so beautiful :applause: , I can't really complain.
It's a shame that Gobert's got 2 Defensive Player of the Year awards and TD none.
I was really impressed with Kawhi this playoff run - especially his attitude to keep playing no matter what happens.
He played with first team all NBA Duncan his second year, someone who resembled 2007 Duncan far more than any other previous years of Duncan and 07 Duncan was arguably the best impact player in the league.
I thought it was pretty interesting Kawhi said that. He played with Parker at the tail end but still in his prime as well.
Tim wasn
Stephonit
07-28-2019, 10:51 AM
Since he added the proviso "around the same age as me" I will let this slide. Building up his teammate is part of the job. If he didn't though it would have lowered my opinion of him greatly to display such ingratitude to the great players he has played with both on the Spurs and the Raptors and with whom he has won (animosity towards Parker though being understandable).
RealSkipBayless
07-28-2019, 04:18 PM
This season could be the first non asterisk ring he has earned.
This season could be the first non asterisk ring he has earned.
Why do you think 2014 was asterisked? It was very much a TEAM effort, and Kawhi was spectacular in the Finals.
he has a point. duncan was still great, but clearly well past his prime.
never personally considered tony parker 'elite'.
he won a championship with pascal siakam riding shotgun and kyle lowry in the baby seat.
he has a point.
Lowry was more impactful than Siakam throughout the playoffs tbh.
PickernRoller
07-28-2019, 07:00 PM
Parker was elite right around 07-11... but not in Kawhi's years.
Celtics 1825
07-28-2019, 07:28 PM
Aldridge was third team, second team, third team and second team all NBA in a span of 2014-2018
He wasn't a superstar like Bron, KD, Harden but neither is PG13
After last season I have to say PG is a superstar (assuming he keeps up the same level of production)
moongaze
07-28-2019, 08:19 PM
Hes bugging. Parker was still elite up till 2014-2015. Duncan and parker were elite 2011-2014
LAmbruh
07-28-2019, 08:42 PM
Spurs were contending playoffs without him before and after he was there, along with 2017 Kawhit'less DNP season :hammerhead:
As were Raps :oldlol:
Parker was elite right around 07-11... but not in Kawhi's years.
IMO, Parker was never elite (in the sense of MVP candidate). He made All-NBA 3rd team in 2009 and 2nd team 2012, 2013 and 2014 (during Kawhi's time with the Spurs).
moongaze
07-28-2019, 08:54 PM
Parker was the reason the spurs were feared for years. Teams had no answer for his ability to penetrate and finish. Point guard scoring in the paint with fg numbers up there with bigs. His played opened up things for the team and made spurs hard to defend. Spurs aren't the same and don't reach that level of success without him.
RealSkipBayless
07-28-2019, 08:59 PM
Why do you think 2014 was asterisked? It was very much a TEAM effort, and Kawhi was spectacular in the Finals.
Ur right. The only asterisk was 2019.
2014 just was an unimpressive win. It was basically against Lebron on the 07 Cavs part 2.
Celtics 1825
07-28-2019, 09:59 PM
IMO, Parker was never elite (in the sense of MVP candidate). He made All-NBA 3rd team in 2009 and 2nd team 2012, 2013 and 2014 (during Kawhi's time with the Spurs).
Very good player throughout most of his career but never quite made the elite mark, agree. I mean he's never even made the All NBA first team
Ur right. The only asterisk was 2019.
2014 just was an unimpressive win. It was basically against Lebron on the 07 Cavs part 2.
I disagree with everything you posted. 2019 was not asterisked - Kawhi was spectacular throughout the playoffs.
2014 was the most impressive Finals - iirc, the widest point spread victory in Finals history. Heat were a very experienced, veteran, 2-time defending championship team - the total opposite of 07 Cavs who were just happy to get to the Finals.
superduper
07-28-2019, 11:31 PM
I disagree with everything you posted. 2019 was not asterisked - Kawhi was spectacular throughout the playoffs.
2014 was the most impressive Finals - iirc, the widest point spread victory in Finals history. Heat were a very experienced, veteran, 2-time defending championship team - the total opposite of 07 Cavs who were just happy to get to the Finals.
Yeah people completely forgetting about Philly and Bucks series, Kawhi was incredible in both. All time great level.
superduper
07-28-2019, 11:32 PM
Parker was the reason the spurs were feared for years. Teams had no answer for his ability to penetrate and finish. Point guard scoring in the paint with fg numbers up there with bigs. His played opened up things for the team and made spurs hard to defend. Spurs aren't the same and don't reach that level of success without him.
Good post. Parker gets very under rated but he was close to unstoppable when he was on. He carried a lot of games for them.
Spurs m8
07-29-2019, 12:22 AM
Kawhi gonna learn the hard way he should've stayed in Toronto.
PGs a fraud.
He cares more about being in LA than winning...how havent you, and everyone else, worked this out yet?hahahah
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