Reminder - Kobe goes back to back to back if Bynum and Ariza don't get injured...

[stalkerforlife]

Remember that.

[Shogon]

Garnett was hurt in 2009, so probably not.

[warriorfan]

Lebron needed Wade and Bosh

Kobe needed Pau and Bynum

:bowdown:

[superduper]

Lebron needed Wade and Bosh

Kobe needed Pau and Bynum

:bowdown:

Woah woah woah show some damn respect to Pau "0-16" Gasol and Andrew outOfTheLeagueTheMomentHeLeavesKobeAtAge24" Bynum.

[warriorfan]

Woah woah woah show some damn respect to Pau "0-16" Gasol and Andrew outOfTheLeagueTheMomentHeLeavesKobeAtAge24" Bynum.

Great point. I forgot they also had Derek

[superduper]

Great point. I forgot they also had Derek’s fisher...Stacked af, LeBron is the GOAT!

Bro can you please refer to him by his proper name, Derek "career38%FG" Fisher.

Im FUMING at the disrespect :mad: :mad:

[warriorfan]

Bro can you please refer to him by his proper name, Derek "career38%FG" Fisher.

Im FUMING at the disrespect :mad: :mad:

For sure. The thing is FG% is so important always except for Derek Fisher. He

[1987_Lakers]

I doubt Ariza would have made much of a difference in '08. It took Phil Jackson's dumbass most of the '09 season to finally realize that the Lakers were a better team with Ariza as a starter instead of Walton.

Walton himself actually had to pull Phil aside and told him straight up to start Ariza over him.

[PickernRoller]

Easy 3-peat at full strengh.

[CAstill]

I doubt Ariza would have made much of a difference in '08. It took Phil Jackson's dumbass most of the '09 season to finally realize that the Lakers were a better team with Ariza as a starter instead of Walton.

Walton himself actually had to pull Phil aside and told him straight up to start Ariza over him.

Yeah right the extra fouls alone could of swung the series. Ariza on Pierce would of helped out a lot. Bynum not getting punked by KG like Pau did would of helped. Him on Powe would of changed the series. Tons of things could made a whole difference

[GimmeThat]

they had lesbian tits in their face and got Ron Artest (Metta World Peace), a name change occurred signaling the d*ck up KG's a*shole

prelube to how the Miami Heat was Dwayne Wade's team and not Lebron's

[SouBeachTalents]

they had lesbian tits in their face and got Ron Artest (Metta World Peace), a name change occurred signaling the d*ck up KG's a*shole

prelube to how the Miami Heat was Dwayne Wade's team and not Lebron's
Exactly

[Celtics 1825]

So you guys relegate Bynum to bum status yet he was needed in order for Kobe to win?

[SpaceJam]

Garnett was hurt in 2009, so probably not.

The truth can be sad to hear, by ISH guidelines we must asterisk the Lakers 2009 ring :(

[stalkerforlife]

Yeah right the extra fouls alone could of swung the series. Ariza on Pierce would of helped out a lot. Bynum not getting punked by KG like Pau did would of helped. Him on Powe would of changed the series. Tons of things could made a whole difference

You're trying to use logic with that guy.

So cute.

[Wally450]

Garnett was hurt in 2009, so probably not.

The Celtics 3-peat if that KG injury doesn't happen.

[Levity]

consider me reminded :cheers:

[eliteballer]

Don't forget Lakers beat the Celtics both times they played in 2009, with KG playing..

[RRR3]

Don't forget Lakers beat the Celtics both times they played in 2009, with KG playing..
LeBron is 16-6 versus Kobe in the regular season. So I’m sure you agree he would have killed him in the finals

[Jay-B]

NO WAY. That 2008 Boston team was one of the best teams I’ve ever seen play, not sure any team in nba history were able to gel as fast as that Boston team did in their first year, they dominated the whole regular season and playoffs. Lakers were good that year but Boston was really good.

[Uncle Drew]

Reminder, the Celtics three peat if Garnett and Perkins were fully healthy.

[SpaceJam]

Reminder, had Garnett and Perkins been fully healthy, the Celtics three peat.

[PickernRoller]

Reminder, had Kobe had a healthy knee, also not a broken finger, still had Ariza instead of Metta World Peace, had Pau show up in Boston, and had Bynum healthy all series it should have been over in 5.

But you know, things don't always play like you want them to.

[SpaceJam]

Reminder, had Kobe had a healthy knee, also not a broken finger, still had Ariza instead of Metta World Peace, had Pau show up in Boston, and had Bynum healthy all series it should have been over in 5.

But you know, things don't always play like you want them to.

No Ron Artest?! Who's gonna bail Kobe out in 2010

[Uncle Drew]

Reminder, if fully healthy, the Celtics three peat with Perkins and Garnett.

[Uncle Drew]

Reminder, had Garnett and Perkins been fully healthy, the Celtics three peat.
Wow, well said brother. Great minds think alike.

[PickernRoller]

No Ron Artest?! Who's gonna bail Kobe out in 2010

Considering the Celtics paid absolutely no attention all series long to Ron Artest, to focus on the rest of the 4 starters on the floor, to much of their success for the first 6 games - something which would have never happened with Ariza - a decent 3 pt shooter and finisher at the rim (at the time), it's fair to say he hurt us more than he helped us.

But he did come through in Game 7, when the Celtics literally doubled down on this strategy even with Ron making shots. Bit them in the ass in the worst possible time. Or if looked at from the opposite perspective - it almost worked - as the series could have been over much earlier had Ron played well.

Drew alt on cheerleading duty today... :oldlol: :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

[QUOTE=Jay-B]NO WAY. That 2008 Boston team was one of the best teams I

[AirTupac]

[QUOTE=RRR3]LeBron is 16-6 versus Kobe in the regular season. So I

[Bosnian Sajo]

So you guys relegate Bynum to bum status yet he was needed in order for Kobe to win?


Oh yea, let me tell you...we would have NEVER won back to back titles without Bynum's 6ppg/4rpg in the finals in 2009 and 7ppg/4rpg in the 2010 nba finals.


And no I'm not exaggerating, those were his actual stats. Bynum was an injured mess during our title runs, it wasn't until 2012 that he had a full healthy season and was named an all star for the only time in his career.


Stop trying to rewrite history in order to fit your narrative, it wont work.

[PickernRoller]

Its different when you can't get past Dwight Howard and Kobe demolishes him :lol

A 3-6 Finals losers gonna take on a 5-2 champ, during those years? :roll: :roll: :roll:

The very same guy that froze in 2011 with a superteam, with Wade having a FMVP run in that very same Finals, and played so bad he had a game where he only scored 8 points...

That guy was gonna beat a guy that almost had a 3-peat from 08-2010... :roll: :roll:

[Bosnian Sajo]

[QUOTE=RRR3]LeBron is 16-6 versus Kobe in the regular season. So I

[Bosnian Sajo]

A 3-6 Finals losers gonna take on a 5-7 champ, during those years? :roll: :roll: :roll:

The very same guy that froze in 2011 with a superteam, with Wade having a FMVP run in that very same Finals, and played so bad he had a game where he only scored 8 points...

That guy was gonna beat a guy that almost had a 3-peat from 08-2010... :roll: :roll:


Correction...3-6 finals loser taking on a 5-2 champ, Kobe only lost twice in the finals. Both times to all time elite defensive teams the likes of which Bron bron has never had to face in the finals.

[PickernRoller]

You're right.

[Hey Yo]

Oh yea, let me tell you...we would have NEVER won back to back titles without Bynum's 6ppg/4rpg in the finals in 2009 and 7ppg/4rpg in the 2010 nba finals.


And no I'm not exaggerating, those were his actual stats. Bynum was an injured mess during our title runs, it wasn't until 2012 that he had a full healthy season and was named an all star for the only time in his career.


Stop trying to rewrite history in order to fit your narrative, it wont work.
No chance that the Cavs become 2016 Champions w/o K. Love's 8ppg/7rpg in the Finals.

[Hey Yo]

A 3-6 Finals losers gonna take on a 5-2 champ, during those years? :roll: :roll: :roll:

The very same guy that froze in 2011 with a superteam, with Wade having a FMVP run in that very same Finals, and played so bad he had a game where he only scored 8 points...

That guy was gonna beat a guy that almost had a 3-peat from 08-2010... :roll: :roll:
Claiming Shaq's titles :lol

Kobe's 2-1 in the Finals. Quit claiming coattail rings.

[Hey Yo]

Correction...3-6 finals loser taking on a 5-2 champ, Kobe only lost twice in the finals. Both times to all time elite defensive teams the likes of which Bron bron has never had to face in the finals.
He only lost once.

2-1 record in the Finals.

[superduper]

Reminder - LeGOAT 3peats finals Ls if not for Silver's legendary bailout.

[305Baller]

Fisher , you dumb bitches.

[Bosnian Sajo]

No chance that the Cavs become 2016 Champions w/o K. Love's 8ppg/7rpg in the Finals.

Still better than Bynum's stats :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

Still better than Bynum's stats :confusedshrug:
On a per minute basis? I doubt it.


Face it, LeJesus beat a 73 win team with Kyrie+trash.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Damn mosquitoes.


https://media3.giphy.com/media/msFzyFNGb3tio/giphy.gif

[RRR3]

Still not over 2016.


Poor Kobe kidz

[Hey Yo]

Damn mosquitoes.


https://media3.giphy.com/media/msFzyFNGb3tio/giphy.gif
ruined ^^^

[superduper]

On a per minute basis? I doubt it.


Face it, LeJesus beat a 73 win team with Kyrie+trash.

Nope they beat a 15-9 team, not a 73-9 team.

[SouBeachTalents]

Nope they beat a 15-9 team, not a 73-9 team.
88-18, still the most wins in NBA history

[RRR3]

88-18, still the most wins in NBA history
Duperduperdumb :facepalm

[superduper]

88-18, still the most wins in NBA history

If only that's how it worked :facepalm

[Mr Feeny]

They lost in 2008 because Kobe choked in the most important moment in the series and allowed Pierce to annihilate him and accomplish the biggest comeback in finals history, in staples.

They only won in 2010 because Gasol led them to the title and carried the 40%shooting Kobe to the title.

[RRR3]

They lost in 2008 because Kobe choked in the most important moment in the series and allowed Pierce to annihilate him and accomplish the biggest comeback in finals history, in staples.

They only won in 2010 because Gasol led them to the title and carried the 40%shooting Kobe to the title.
Kobe fans like to ignore LeBron dominating the same Magic team Kobe beat in 09 too. Too bad LeBron didn’t have Pau .

[Mr Feeny]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Kobe fans like to ignore LeBron dominating the same Magic team Kobe beat in 09 too. Too bad LeBron didn

[Bosnian Sajo]

Kobe fans like to ignore LeBron dominating the same Magic team Kobe beat in 09 too. Too bad LeBron didn’t have Pau .


It's not dominating if you lose :facepalm How did you type that out and actually think you were making a good point?



Bruh, talking to Bron fans is soo ****ing sad. This kid right here is actually trying to big up Bron for LOSING to the team that Kobe beat, goes as far as to say he dominated.


"Bron DOMINATED Orlando, they couldn't stop him!...until they stopped him. But other than that, LEBRON DOMINATED!!"


There is nothing to discuss here. I'm honestly not trying to insult, but yall truly truly are just the dumbest bunch of kids, there is no other way to put it.

[stalkerforlife]

It's not dominating if you lose :facepalm How did you type that out and actually think you were making a good point?



Bruh, talking to Bron fans is soo ****ing sad. This kid right here is actually trying to big up Bron for LOSING to the team that Kobe beat, goes as far as to say he dominated.


"Bron DOMINATED Orlando, they couldn't stop him!...until they stopped him. But other than that, LEBRON DOMINATED!!"


There is nothing to discuss here. I'm honestly not trying to insult, but yall truly truly are just the dumbest bunch of kids, there is no other way to put it.

I don't see how you cheer him on just because he's on your favorite team.

:facepalm

[SouBeachTalents]

It's not dominating if you lose :facepalm How did you type that out and actually think you were making a good point?



Bruh, talking to Bron fans is soo ****ing sad. This kid right here is actually trying to big up Bron for LOSING to the team that Kobe beat, goes as far as to say he dominated.


"Bron DOMINATED Orlando, they couldn't stop him!...until they stopped him. But other than that, LEBRON DOMINATED!!"


There is nothing to discuss here. I'm honestly not trying to insult, but yall truly truly are just the dumbest bunch of kids, there is no other way to put it.
Did Jordan not dominate when he dropped 63 on the Celtics?

[stalkerforlife]

Did Jordan not dominate when he dropped 63 on the Celtics?

No.

Because he hadn't learned to utilize his team and play off ball more at that point.

He lost.

No one cares about that game and we never bring it up when evaluating his greatness. At least I never would.

Bran never evolved.

Jordan did.

[RRR3]

It's not dominating if you lose :facepalm How did you type that out and actually think you were making a good point?



Bruh, talking to Bron fans is soo ****ing sad. This kid right here is actually trying to big up Bron for LOSING to the team that Kobe beat, goes as far as to say he dominated.


"Bron DOMINATED Orlando, they couldn't stop him!...until they stopped him. But other than that, LEBRON DOMINATED!!"


There is nothing to discuss here. I'm honestly not trying to insult, but yall truly truly are just the dumbest bunch of kids, there is no other way to put it.
Typical Mamba logic. LeBron’s supporting cast was absolute trash. His second option was Mo Williams for Pete’s sake.

[superduper]

So after 3 different franchises (4 different times), and multiple iterations of each team consisting of many, many different players, including MULTIPLE HOFs and allstars (moreso than any other all-time great in history has ever had for a supporting cast) all within a 9 year span...after all of this...Bran still has never had an ounce of help?

God damn it is EASY being a Brantard :rockon:

[RRR3]

So after 3 different franchises (4 different times), and multiple iterations of each team consisting of many, many different players, including MULTIPLE HOFs and allstars (moreso than any other all-time great in history has ever had for a supporting cast) all within a 9 year span...after all of this...Bran still has never had an ounce of help?

God damn it is EASY being a Brantard :rockon:
You admitted LeBron is top 3-5 all time.


Not sure what you

[superduper]

You admitted LeBron is top 3-5 all time.


Not sure what you’re trying to argue against if you think he’s arguably top 3.

I'm arguing that our LeGOAT has NEVER had any halp in his life after 3 different franchises (4 different times), and multiple iterations of each team consisting of many, many different players, including MULTIPLE HOFs and allstars (moreso than any other all-time great in history has ever had for a supporting cast) all within a 9 year span.

Thanks for your concern.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lmao, these dudes literally can't comprehend

1. You can play well individually and your team can still lose

2. You can play badly individually and your team can still win

Look at the players the board obsesses with non stop

Arguably LeBron's 3 best playoffs ('09, '17 & '18) occurred when he didn't win the title

Arguably Kobe's 3 best seasons ('06-'08) resulted in 2 first round exits and no titles

And even Jordan's 1990 season, which some consider his peak year, resulted in no championship either

[kentatm]

Woah woah woah show some damn respect to Pau "0-16" Gasol and Andrew outOfTheLeagueTheMomentHeLeavesKobeAtAge24" Bynum.


riiiight

So Kobe gets excuses upon excuses for his failures b/c "the roster was trash" but Pau was a bum when he dragged guys like Mike Miller (as his second best player!) Stromile Swift, and the corpse of Bozni Wells to the playoffs?

:rolleyes: :facepalm

Straight pathetic the way you guys make excuses for Kobe and bash on every other player he played with in an effort to prop him up.

[superduper]

riiiight

So Kobe gets excuses upon excuses for his failures b/c "the roster was trash" but Pau was a bum when he dragged guys like Mike Miller (as his second best player!) Stromile Swift, and the corpse of Bozni Wells to the playoffs?

:rolleyes: :facepalm

Straight pathetic the way you guys make excuses for Bran and bash on every other player he played with in an effort to prop him up.

FTFY

[stalkerforlife]

Back to back to back.

Remember that.

Did it twice if not for two starters being injured.

[RRR3]

Back to back to back.

Remember that.

Did it twice if not for two starters being injured.
The below .500 Atlanta Hawks took that Celtics team to 7. Why couldn’t your hero?

[1987_Lakers]

Yeah right the extra fouls alone could of swung the series. Ariza on Pierce would of helped out a lot. Bynum not getting punked by KG like Pau did would of helped. Him on Powe would of changed the series. Tons of things could made a whole difference

You realize Ariza was pretty much a bench warmer in 2008 right? Even when he was healthy.

Bynum would have helped, sure. But as someone who saw pretty much every laker game from that era, the Lakers chemistry was better when Bynum played a limited role, it really allowed Pau & Odom to flourish. Gasol in particular, flourished when he was the Center of that team.

[kentatm]

FTFY

I never mentioned LeBron and anyone who has been on this site for any length of time knows I

[PickernRoller]

You know they seethe every time they realize Kobe did more with less, on less tries as well, with no collusion, no team hopping, and no superteam.

Eats them up inside.

Lovely to see.

[Loco 50]

You're confused. The real reminder is there are no more chips without the Pau trade.

[Mr Feeny]

Lmao, these dudes literally can't comprehend

1. You can play well individually and your team can still lose

2. You can play badly individually and your team can still win

Look at the players the board obsesses with non stop

Arguably LeBron's 3 best playoffs ('09, '17 & '18) occurred when he didn't win the title

Arguably Kobe's 3 best seasons ('06-'08) resulted in 2 first round exits and no titles

And even Jordan's 1990 season, which some consider his peak year, resulted in no championship either

Exactly. When they did win in 2009 and 2010, Kobe contributed much less to the lakers titles than most all time greats did to their teams when they won their titles.

[talkingconch]

Garnett was hurt in 2009, so probably not.
and bynum was hurt in 2008

[Mr Feeny]

and bynum was hurt in 2008

And yet that wasn't the reason they lost. It was Kobe's woeful shooting in the series and his historic chokes in the big moments.

[EllEffEll]

And yet that wasn't the reason they lost. It was Kobe's woeful shooting in the series and his historic chokes in the big moments.

The 2008 Celtics were simply a better team. Maybe the Lakers wouldn't have embarrassed themselves like they did in the 2008 Finals, but IMHO the best team still won.

In case you were wondering, yes, it tastes like SH!T to say that.

[GimmeThat]

well, the inability of running more plays beyond the triangle resulted in the lack of cohesion where ball handlers were 3 point shooters

Reminder - if you don't give Phil Jackson a team that can run the triangle he is useless, and when you do give Phil Jackson a team he can run the triangle with he is the "Zen Master" where offense transitions into defense, and defense is what wins championships

and after he wins championships he treats athleticism as the step child that he doesn't want, which tie back to the original point, Phil Jackson took Kobe out of the post the way he ran Jerry West out of town, because deep down inside, he still wanted Lamar Odom to be Scottie Pippen instead of his natural position of PF, who as a Queens native, modified his game after Patrick Ewing.

so, no, he didn't know how to use Pau as a shot blocker, he couldn't see Jordan Farmar's ability to play as Delonte West (Avery Bradley anyone) and Radmanovic' became a none-factor on the offensive rebound end under him. And now we're seeing a guy like Ricky Rubio averaging 1.9 steals while Sasha Vujacic averaged 0.6

but hey, Phil Jackson sure lived up to the legacy that he could turn the Wilt Chamberlain type of guy into champions, because the Bill Russell way, meant letting go of his control issues

hope this summed up his ability to perform as the president of operation for the New York Knicks, because when you asked the guy with championship pedigree to sell tickets: he sold the idea of it instead.

[Mr Feeny]

The 2008 Celtics were simply a better team. Maybe the Lakers wouldn't have embarrassed themselves like they did in the 2008 Finals, but IMHO the best team still won.

In case you were wondering, yes, it tastes like SH!T to say that.

Even if that were true, the Celtics were much better than the 2008 Cavs and yet Lebron took then to the last minute of game 6. The Celtics were much better than the Hawks and yet the Hawks took them to a game 7. The 93 Suns and 98 Jazz were better than the Bulls teams that faced them and yet Jordan beat both. You can be a worse team and win.

The Lakers were up by 24 on home soil with a chance to tie the series at 2 and with a game 5 coming up to take a 3-2 lead, and Kobe completely disappeared as Pierce took over the game and took a strangehold of the series.

[Wally450]

The thing Laker fans bring up about the 2008 and 2010 injuries to Bynum and Perk is that Bynum got injured in January 2008. they had plenty of time to adjust and still got through the West and to the Finals. With the Celtics in 2010, Perk got injured in G6. They had to adjust on the fly and had Rasheed Wallace playing more minutes than he normally did. He was't good in longer spurts, and wasn't a rebounder and defender like Perk was. Hell, the Celtics were playing Sheldon freaking Williams in a G7 of the NBA Finals!

Had Bynum gone down during the Finals like Perk, or later in the playoffs, I'd say they have a case of winning in 2008, but going down and having a whole half a season and playoffs to adjust your lineup isn't anything I'm giving sympathy for.