Democrats in CNN debate: Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump

[Shogon]

Once again, it seems like everyone is putting all of their energy, good and bad, behind the name Donald Trump.

Country will have to genuinely start to dive in a certain direction... militarily, economically, or socially... for him to not get re-elected.

VOTE FOR ME! I'M NOT DONALD TRUMP! - lol...

[diamenz]

tuesday's debate was more interesting... it at least kept my attention. tonight's was a bore of bullshit. turned that shit off and switched my porn back on real quick. a lot of these nobodies polling @ 0% need to throw in the towel ffs.

[Shogon]

tuesday's debate was more interesting... it at least kept my attention. tonight's was a bore of bullshit. turned that shit off and switched my porn back on real quick.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Nanners]

It was nice seeing Tulsi obliterate Kamala Harris... about damn time someone publicly called her out on her atrocious record

[dude77]

^it was quite a bad night for kh .. she was ethered and destroyed before the debate even began courtesy of biden(that was calculated no doubt, no one can imagine her as president after that .. nicely done sleepy joe) .. and then of course gabbard did her thing and buried her



https://www.politico.com/video/2019/07/31/joe-biden-calls-kamala-harris-kid-068639

[Kblaze8855]

Id say democrats usually have the larger margin for error if only because they almost always get the most votes(all but once in the last 30 years) and their key demographics increase(young people...minorities....women) while republicans die off(old white people in general). Trump has the usual incumbent edge but I dont know.....

Eventually....a democrat wins texas....right?

How many millions of young legal hispanics will turn 18 in the next few years? You dont need all of them to vote.

Im not sure what the long term plans of republicans is far as national elections.

If texas goes down in the next 12 years or so.....and California and New York stay blue....is it over for a generation?

Im amazed at the way they keep making an enemy of latinos like Texas and florida arent the whole ballgame. Even if they get 30% of the hispanic vote....is that enough once those scales start to tip? We are on pace for 14 states to be mostly non white in 12 years(up from 8 today).

Big picture wise....making an enemy of anyone seen to be insensitive to brown people might be the way to go even if it costs you percentage points in the short term.

Im not sure democrats have to do anything but lay the ground work and hope this or 2024 is the last year of a red texas. Trump is a good target to help that along. The number of hispanics I hear talking politics around me has never been higher. All of it about hating Trump.

You cant get those people voting nationally...and win....as a republican.

You might be able to win one more election but big picture wise....getting on the other side might be better.

[Loco 50]

Id say democrats usually have the larger margin for error if only because they almost always get the most votes(all but once in the last 30 years) and their key demographics increase(young people...minorities....women) while republicans die off(old white people in general). Trump has the usual incumbent edge but I dont know.....

Eventually....a democrat wins texas....right?

How many millions of young legal hispanics will turn 18 in the next few years? You dont need all of them to vote.

Im not sure what the long term plans of republicans is far as national elections.

If texas goes down in the next 12 years or so.....and California and New York stay blue....is it over for a generation?

Im amazed at the way they keep making an enemy of latinos like Texas and florida arent the whole ballgame. Even if they get 30% of the hispanic vote....is that enough once those scales start to tip? We are on pace for 14 states to be mostly non white in 12 years(up from 8 today).

Big picture wise....making an enemy of anyone seen to be insensitive to brown people might be the way to go even if it costs you percentage points in the short term.

Im not sure democrats have to do anything but lay the ground work and hope this or 2024 is the last year of a red texas. Trump is a good target to help that along. The number of hispanics I hear talking politics around me has never been higher. All of it about hating Trump.

You cant get those people voting nationally...and win....as a republican.

You might be able to win one more election but big picture wise....getting on the other side might be better.
Most hispanics are Catholic. Abortion is a no go. That's one hurdle the democrats have to get over.

Interesting voting districts are another.

I'd say you'll be right eventually though when those 18 year olds become older. They're not gonna vote at 18.

[Kblaze8855]

I read that demographically Texas is now roughly where California was in 1990. And a huge portion of the Texas youth are the Direct children of illegal immigrants. You certainly won’t get all of them to vote. But you won’t need that many. I wonder what the long-term Republican plans are for the state because you know they know that’s the one state they can’t afford to lose....not in this generation.

I saw Beto talking about being 11 points up against Trump in Texas. Someone might have to make him the VP pick. Just making Texas a legit swing state is going to cost so much money the Republican party is going to have to start pulling from other states.

[Prometheus]

The polls that have been released thus far are misleading. Absolute hordes of millenials who are mostly voting blue are not responding to those polls. Young people are going to determine this election, not moderates.

And yes, Trump has got to be the most polarizing figure in the history of US politics. His presence changes everything. It's not a mistake for democrats to be calling him out this much - they know what their voters want to hear.

I just wish Yang was given a fair shake. He gets so little air time. I honestly think he would be the best man for the job. No one else is even talking about automation. smh.

[Nanners]

Id say democrats usually have the larger margin for error if only because they almost always get the most votes(all but once in the last 30 years) and their key demographics increase(young people...minorities....women) while republicans die off(old white people in general). Trump has the usual incumbent edge but I dont know.....

Eventually....a democrat wins texas....right?

How many millions of young legal hispanics will turn 18 in the next few years? You dont need all of them to vote.

Im not sure what the long term plans of republicans is far as national elections.

If texas goes down in the next 12 years or so.....and California and New York stay blue....is it over for a generation?

Im amazed at the way they keep making an enemy of latinos like Texas and florida arent the whole ballgame. Even if they get 30% of the hispanic vote....is that enough once those scales start to tip? We are on pace for 14 states to be mostly non white in 12 years(up from 8 today).

Big picture wise....making an enemy of anyone seen to be insensitive to brown people might be the way to go even if it costs you percentage points in the short term.

Im not sure democrats have to do anything but lay the ground work and hope this or 2024 is the last year of a red texas. Trump is a good target to help that along. The number of hispanics I hear talking politics around me has never been higher. All of it about hating Trump.

You cant get those people voting nationally...and win....as a republican.

You might be able to win one more election but big picture wise....getting on the other side might be better.

:roll:

What a hilariously naive take on the political system...

This post sums up why the dems currently are and always will be ineffective losers - they are perfectly content to sit around and offer nothing of substance, because they believe that eventually elections will just be handed to them... all on the idiotic assumption that their demographics will never have anywhere else to go.

What this post ignores is that unlike the dems, the republicans do not sit on their asses. If Republicans ever start feel like the demographics are no longer favorable to them, they will change their messages and policy to attract new voters.

This country has been two party (or more) for its entire history, that isnt about to change just because of latinos moving to Texas.

[Prometheus]

dems currently are and always will be ineffective losers




What this post ignores is that unlike the dems, the republicans do not sit on their asses.

You have the gall to call anyone else naive with such a simple take as "republicans GOOD, democrats BAD!"

:facepalm

Sure. It's that simple. :rolleyes:

[Nanners]

You have the gall to call anyone else naive with such a simple take as "republicans GOOD, democrats BAD!"

:facepalm

Sure. It's that simple. :rolleyes:

How was that the message you took away from my post? reading comprehension is pretty hard for you huh? :oldlol:

I am a progressive, I want progressive politicians to win... and lazy establishment "liberals" (an oxymoron) like Kblaze, who are content to give away elections on naive assumptions (like thinking Hillary doesnt have to offer people anything as they will vote for her because they have no other choice), are the reason we have Trump in the first place.

[Loco 50]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]I read that demographically Texas is now roughly where California was in 1990. And a huge portion of the Texas youth are the Direct children of illegal immigrants. You certainly won

[Loco 50]

The polls that have been released thus far are misleading. Absolute hordes of millenials who are mostly voting blue are not responding to those polls. Young people are going to determine this election, not moderates.

And yes, Trump has got to be the most polarizing figure in the history of US politics. His presence changes everything. It's not a mistake for democrats to be calling him out this much - they know what their voters want to hear.

I just wish Yang was given a fair shake. He gets so little air time. I honestly think he would be the best man for the job. No one else is even talking about automation. smh.
Yes, I tried to tell people this in the "will Donald Trump win reelection thread." He has activated a shitton of previous non-voters, self included. Beto almost won the senate seat in Texas of all places because of Trump. Young voter turnout will still suck, but it will be much higher than years past and first time voters will be extremely high, similar to the 2018 elections. You simply can't piss off this many people and expect to win an election when you are the minority.

Unfortunately, Yang seems to be 20 to 30 years before we're ready. To be fair though, I don't know much about him so could be mistaken in what I think I do know.

[Loco 50]

How was that the message you took away from my post? reading comprehension is pretty hard for you huh? :oldlol:

I am a progressive, I want progressive politicians to win... and lazy establishment "liberals" (an oxymoron) like Kblaze, who are content to give away elections on naive assumptions (like thinking Hillary doesnt have to offer people anything as they will vote for her because they have no other choice), are the reason we have Trump in the first place.
:oldlol: I think it's funny. I'd say we both lean progressive but you might hate the democrats as much as I do. I see what you and Kblaze are saying though. Kblaze is stating that demographic momentum is in their favor, but yeah, agree with you, the democrats have to actually make something happen instead of stumbling and fumbling to the goal line.

Biden will be another example of the dems f'n up royally. Said in that other thread, I think he's Trump's best shot at re-election.

[Kblaze8855]

:roll:

What a hilariously naive take on the political system...

This post sums up why the dems currently are and always will be ineffective losers - they are perfectly content to sit around and offer nothing of substance, because they believe that eventually elections will just be handed to them... all on the idiotic assumption that their demographics will never have anywhere else to go.

What this post ignores is that unlike the dems, the republicans do not sit on their asses. If Republicans ever start feel like the demographics are no longer favorable to them, they will change their messages and policy to attract new voters.

This country has been two party (or more) for its entire history, that isnt about to change just because of latinos moving to Texas.



I am asking about those changes you mentioned they will have to make.

Obviously with shifting demographics the central issue wont be what its been lately.

And really....what issues from the "progressive" side of things has ever not eventually been won as times changed?

Im not talking red and blue. I mean general issues considered progressive by the times.

What dont the "liberals" win off sheer demographics as the youth get more and more willing to abandon their grandparents ways of seeing things?

Be it slavery, voting rights for women, social security, medicare, the general welfare state, civil rights, abortion, gay rights, trans issues and so on....

The youth who dont hold onto the values of the previous generation always seem to wipe out the conservative opposition as the next generation finds a new issue to lose eventually.

Im wondering what the next been polarizing platform issue will be when the demographics dont allow immigration to be it.

[Nanners]

:oldlol: I think it's funny. I'd say we both lean progressive but you might hate the democrats as much as I do. I see what you and Kblaze are saying though. Kblaze is stating that demographic momentum is in their favor, but yeah, agree with you, the democrats have to actually make something happen instead of stumbling and fumbling to the goal line.

Biden will be another example of the dems f'n up royally. Said in that other thread, I think he's Trump's best shot at re-election.

I dont hate all democrats, just the establishment ones who put the profits of corporate america over the wellbeing of the american people.

There is nothing that would make Trump happier than facing Biden in the 2020 general.

[Hotlantadude81]

If the only way to appeal to minority voters is to be for open borders and welfare for the entire world this country is going to collapse. So why give up your principles just to cater to that kind of idiotic bs?

[Loco 50]

I dont hate all democrats, just the establishment ones who put the profits of corporate america over the wellbeing of the american people.

There is nothing that would make Trump happier than facing Biden in the 2020 general.
Same

[Nanners]

And really....what issues from the "progressive" side of things has ever not eventually been won as times changed?

In the first half of 1900s labor had some big wins, but in the past ~50 or so years labor has lost virtually every political battle. Relative to inflation, wages for the working class have been stagnant for DECADES, and trade deals like NAFTA (passed by a democrat) have been absolutely devastating to the american working class. If progressive economic policies had been winning recently, the US wouldnt have the 3rd worst income inequality on the planet right now.

How about healthcare? The US is the only developed nation on the planet that does not have some kind of universal govt-backed healthcare system. Its an absolute disgrace that 30m americans are currently uninsured, and tens of millions more are effectively unable to afford healthcare because of insane premiums or insurance just denying treatments. Perhaps Obamacare was an improvement over what came before it, but remember that "Obamacare" is actually "Romneycare" and was originally authored by the Heritage foundation... hardly a progressive policy. Currently, the only "democrat" who is actually pushing for full govt-backed coverage is Bernie Sanders, while the dem establishment continues to claim that its "unrealistic" (despite literally every other developed nation figuring it out).


What dont the "liberals" win off sheer demographics as the youth get more and more willing to abandon their grandparents ways of seeing things?

Be it slavery, voting rights for women, social security, medicare, the general welfare state, civil rights, abortion, gay rights, trans issues and so on....

The youth who dont hold onto the values of the previous generation always seem to wipe out the conservative opposition as the next generation finds a new issue to lose eventually.

Hasnt this shift toward more progressive policies been going on for all of american history? If the liberal party was ever going to start winning by default due to demographics shifting in their direction, why hasnt it happened already?

The younger generation is always less conservative than the older one, and yet even when progressives get elected, the policies of the government have typically been largely conservative (with one or two exceptions, like FDR)

[Kblaze8855]

If the only way to appeal to minority voters is to be for open borders and welfare for the entire world, this country is going to collapse, so why give up you're principles just to cater to that kind of idiotic bs?


Politics is about winning not principle. We both know that. It shouldnt be....but it is.

The shifting demographic talk has always been around but I dont know if we have seen a bigger shift since women were given the vote. We are talking about the imminent end of 250 years of white majority. The elections will still be majority white since minorities wont vote at the same rate....but its too close as it is. How many percentage points swing the election for the foreseeable future?


The inevitable demographic shifts have in truth always been presented as more pressing than they are....I just feel like an America where most arent white...is gonna require a changing conversation. Its gonna change how you win isnt it?

How long till we get a major pro hispanic issues push when the right one could probably win Texas, California, Florida, and new york today?

When you HAVE to have texas....can you afford to get on the wrong side of Hispanics going forward?

You know this conversation is happening right now. All those Superpacs and get out the vote campaigns in texas. They know its getting too close.

I think Trump wins texas in 2020....but the tipping point is coming isnt it?

What keeps texas from being California in 15 years?

[Kblaze8855]

In the first half of 1900s labor had some big wins, but in the past ~50 or so years labor has lost virtually every political battle. Relative to inflation, wages for the working class have been stagnant for DECADES, and trade deals like NAFTA (passed by a democrat) have been absolutely devastating to the american working class.

Im not sure either side cares about that as much as they have to pretend to.



How about healthcare? The US is the only developed nation on the planet that does not have some kind of universal govt-backed healthcare system. Its an absolute disgrace that 30m americans are currently uninsured, and tens of millions more are effectively unable to afford healthcare because of insane premiums or insurance just denying treatments. Perhaps Obamacare was an improvement over what came before it, but remember that "Obamacare" is actually "Romneycare" and was originally authored by the Heritage foundation... hardly a progressive policy. Currently, the only "democrat" who is actually pushing for full govt-backed coverage is Bernie Sanders, while the dem establishment continues to claim that its "unrealistic" (despite literally every other developed nation figuring it out).

This is one I think we are gonna look back on like social security. Before we die I suspect universal healthcare to be so ingrained you wont be able to come out against it and keep your seat in congress.

Its gonna be the posterboy for my "Eventually...the liberals win" argument I suspect.



Hasnt this shift toward more progressive policies been going on for all of american history? If the liberal party was ever going to start winning by default due to demographics shifting in their direction, why hasnt it happened already?

The younger generation is always less conservative than the older one, and yet even when progressives get elected, the policies of the government have typically been largely conservative (with one or two exceptions, like FDR)

Yes its been going on forever. But the conservatives of each era keep fighting losing battles then changing with all of america so they are themselves less conservative...

Red vs blue may not change.....but the average American walking down the street is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more liberal than he would have been in the past.

Some of the shit we have in society now would have been downright shocking to someone in like....1950.

Liberals dont win as in....their side at the moment automatically gets more votes...it seems they win by making both sides slide left over time.

We are a young country so most of the "Why hasnt it happened already?" has not had a chance to develop. There are people alive who remember when you got attacked for trying to vote while black in the south.

We are just now approaching a legit non white majority but still in a world where non whites and women vote blue. That period of overlap is gonna require a whole new approach....which will as usual swing republicans to the left.

So youre right in that democrats may not win all elections....but the positions of both sides will slide more and more to the left to the point it wont matter.

[Nanners]

Im not sure either side cares about that as much as they have to pretend to.

No kidding both sides dont give a shit about the working class... but thats irrelevant. You asked which issues from the progressive side of things have not eventually won, and the economics of the working class and income inequality are undoubtedly among the most important issues to progressives.


This is one I think we are gonna look back on like social security. Before we die I suspect universal healthcare to be so ingrained you wont be able to come out against it and keep your seat in congress.

You can believe that if you want... but until we arrive at this imaginary future of yours, the reality of this country is that our healthcare system is not remotely progressive and the vast majority of dem politicians have no interest in changing it.


Its gonna be the posterboy for my "Eventually...the liberals win" argument I suspect.

Based on what? Aside from Bernie and a handful of others, the entire dem party opposes it. In 2016 Hillary Clinton said "Universal Healthcare will never ever come to pass (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSMGrKSUgj4)".

You honestly think guys like Bernie are going to be able to drag establishment dems like Hillary into a more progressive future? Arent you a Bernie hater?




Yes its been going on forever. But the conservatives of each era keep fighting losing battles then changing with all of america so they are themselves less conservative...

Red vs blue may not change.....but the average American walking down the street is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more liberal than he would have been in the past.

Some of the shit we have in society now would have been downright shocking to someone in like....1950.

Liberals dont win as in....their side at the moment automatically gets more votes...it seems they win by making both sides slide left over time.

We are a young country so most of the "Why hasnt it happened already?" has not had a chance to develop. There are people alive who remember when you got attacked for trying to vote while black in the south.

We are just now approaching a legit non white majority but still in a world where non whites and women vote blue. That period of overlap is gonna require a whole new approach....which will as usual swing republicans to the left.

So youre right in that democrats may not win all elections....but the positions of both sides will slide more and more to the left to the point it wont matter.

No doubt all of society has been shifting left (in some ways at least), but what you fail to realize is that this left-ward shift includes republicans and their constituents too. Anyway, if things are always shifting left, then this country is currently the furthest left its ever been... and yet we have a republican controlled supreme court, republican controlled senate, and Donald ****ing Trump as president...

[Hotlantadude81]

Politics is about winning not principle. We both know that. It shouldnt be....but it is.

The shifting demographic talk has always been around but I dont know if we have seen a bigger shift since women were given the vote. We are talking about the imminent end of 250 years of white majority. The elections will still be majority white since minorities wont vote at the same rate....but its too close as it is. How many percentage points swing the election for the foreseeable future?


The inevitable demographic shifts have in truth always been presented as more pressing than they are....I just feel like an America where most arent white...is gonna require a changing conversation. Its gonna change how you win isnt it?

How long till we get a major pro hispanic issues push when the right one could probably win Texas, California, Florida, and new york today?

When you HAVE to have texas....can you afford to get on the wrong side of Hispanics going forward?

You know this conversation is happening right now. All those Superpacs and get out the vote campaigns in texas. They know its getting too close.

I think Trump wins texas in 2020....but the tipping point is coming isnt it?

What keeps texas from being California in 15 years?



Honestly? Most in politics are Neo Con or Neo Liberal... A few wedge issues is really the difference. That's about it. I think both of these parties are dying.

However, at some point the radical left (which is what progressives are) will steer the ship because of their influence in a world that is becoming more and more about technology.

Most of those in Silicon Valley that control so much info are leftists. You combine that with the increasing influence in the school system, and the advantage the left has in the media and on social platforms like facebook and twitter... What is going to stop progressives in the future?

The left scream "alt right", but they (extreme right) can't match the left's influence in the school system, technology field and in the media at large. Then, you have the demographic shift... You add allof that, and the "alt right" is basically a boogeyman at this point.

The future of this country is really bleak. Well, unless you're a progressive.

[rufuspaul]

Democrats, bless their hearts. Trump is playing them like a fiddle. Talk about living rent free. :lol

I understand the logic behind thinking that changing demographics are helping the Dems and of course black people will always vote Dem like well programmed robots, but unless the Dems message changes to anything other than "orange man bad" they're in for a big disappointment.

Take a look at my state for example. It's been solidly red since the 1980 election but went blue for Obama. Charlotte even hosted the 2012 Dem convention (we're hosting the Repub convention next year, much to the consternation of our Dem mayor and city council. :oldlol: ) So the last election we were considered up for grabs because we voted for Obama, minority population is growing, urban areas like Charlotte are growing in minority and millennial populations and Obama and a whole slew of Hollywood elite were constantly here campaigning for Hillary. And she lost because people saw right through her and Trump was saying what people wanted to hear.

So this year Trump is gonna tout his accomplishments (it's the economy stupid) and slam the Dems as radical socialists who do nothing but try and get him impeached. The Dems will counter with "everything will be free, even though we don't really know how", and "orange man bad". :rolleyes:

[n00bie]

Only Yang can provide change. Everyone else is just the same bs. #YangGang2020

[Kblaze8855]

I understand the logic behind thinking that changing demographics are helping the Dems and of course black people will always vote Dem like well programmed robots, but unless the Dems message changes to anything other than "orange man bad" they're in for a big disappointment.

Take a look at my state for example. It's been solidly red since the 1980 election but went blue for Obama. Charlotte even hosted the 2012 Dem convention (we're hosting the Repub convention next year, much to the consternation of our Dem mayor and city council. ) So the last election we were considered up for grabs because we voted for Obama, minority population is growing, urban areas like Charlotte are growing in minority and millennial populations and Obama and a whole slew of Hollywood elite were constantly here campaigning for Hillary. And she lost because people saw right through her and Trump was saying what people wanted to hear.

If Texas becomes as up for grabs as NC the republican party will move its headquarters to Dallas.

[Nanners]

So this year Trump is gonna tout his accomplishments (it's the economy stupid) and slam the Dems as radical socialists who do nothing but try and get him impeached. The Dems will counter with "everything will be free, even though we don't really know how", and "orange man bad". :rolleyes:

Trump didnt use "socialist" as an attack in 2016 and hes not going to do it in 2020 either.

Trump is one of the few politicians in the country that understands that the so-called "socialist" policies and positions are really popular with the american people... a bunch of the policies he campaigned on are basically "socialist" - extreme opposition to nafta and trade deals, opposition to our endless foreign wars, and relentless attacks on the corrupt establishment corporate media...FFS Trump ran to the left of Hillary on foreign policy and a lot of economic issues.

The only dem saying anything that remotely resembles "everything will be free" is Bernie Sanders (hes actually saying "we are going to redirect tax revenue to fund healthcare and education", not that it will be free... but I can see how that could be confusing for a simple family dentist). Outside of Bernie and maybe Tulsi, every one of the other 18 dem candidates are unanimously saying that we cant afford to fund our healthcare the way that every other developed nation on the planet does.

Anyway, you are correct that the dems will be using "orange man bad"... it looks like that will basically be their entire platform.

[rufuspaul]

Trump didnt use "socialist" as an attack in 2016 and hes not going to do it in 2020 either.

Trump is one of the few politicians in the country that understands that the so-called "socialist" policies and positions are really popular with the american people... a bunch of the policies he campaigned on are basically "socialist" - extreme opposition to nafta and trade deals, opposition to our endless foreign wars, and relentless attacks on the corrupt establishment corporate media...FFS Trump ran to the left of Hillary on foreign policy and a lot of economic issues.

The only dem saying anything that remotely resembles "everything will be free" is Bernie Sanders (hes actually saying "we are going to redirect tax revenue to fund healthcare and education", not that it will be free... but I can see how that could be confusing for a simple family dentist). Outside of Bernie and maybe Tulsi, literally every one of the other 18 dem candidates are unanimously saying that we cant afford to fund our healthcare the way that literally every other developed nation on the planet does.

Anyway, you are correct that the dems will be using "orange man bad"... it looks like that will basically be their entire platform.

:lol

Trump attacks the Dems as socialist on almost a daily basis. You can see this on a thing called Twitter, although I can see how finding that could be confusing for a simple...what is it you do? :confusedshrug:

[Kblaze8855]

No kidding both sides dont give a shit about the working class... but thats irrelevant. You asked which issues from the progressive side of things have not eventually won, and the economics of the working class and income inequality are undoubtedly among the most important issues to progressives.



You can believe that if you want... but until we arrive at this imaginary future of yours, the reality of this country is that our healthcare system is not remotely progressive and the vast majority of dem politicians have no interest in changing it.



Based on what? Aside from Bernie and a handful of others, the entire dem party opposes it. In 2016 Hillary Clinton said "Universal Healthcare will never ever come to pass (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSMGrKSUgj4)".

You honestly think guys like Bernie are going to be able to drag establishment dems like Hillary into a more progressive future? Arent you a Bernie hater?





No doubt all of society has been shifting left (in some ways at least), but what you fail to realize is that this left-ward shift includes republicans and their constituents too. Anyway, if things are always shifting left, then this country is currently the furthest left its ever been... and yet we have a republican controlled supreme court, republican controlled senate, and Donald ****ing Trump as president...


The country no doubt is the most liberal its ever been....and yes we have a republican senate and....whatever Trump is. The court takes time and luck. Its for life.

But like all the rest.....the margin is getting to be hard to overcome if things keep going the way they have. Its not overnight of course. Not only are hispanic places getting younger and browner....they are getting more representation. Current estimates have Texas getting like 3 more seats in congress by 2024 and more electoral votes. Arizona too(though it went red). And Florida. New York might lose one...but new york is way further from being up for grabs.

Im not looking at today. Im projecting and wondering how the conversation looks in time.

Texas even being worth talking about seemed so unlikely when we were on here talking George Bush.

Beto as someones running mate...he would make it a story. It would get the texas republicans out to vote I imagine trying to put it off another cycle or two....but how long can they be held off?

What reliable blue states can republicans hope to make reliably red to offset the power texas currently has?

[Kblaze8855]

:lol

Trump attacks the Dems as socialist on almost a daily basis. You can see this on a thing called Twitter, although I can see how finding that could be confusing for a simple...what is it you do? :confusedshrug:


Trump knows the word "socialist" gets his base riled up.

Donald Trump is in ways more liberal than some well known Democrats he just has to yell about them loud enough nobody notices.

[Nanners]

:lol

Trump attacks the Dems as socialist on almost a daily basis. You can see this on a thing called Twitter, although I can see how finding that could be confusing for a simple...what is it you do? :confusedshrug:

Trumps twitter timeline has 7 tweets (out of several hundred) containing the word "socialist" over the past month, and all but two of them are re-tweets or quotations.

Anyway, what Trump says on twitter and how he runs his re-election campaign are two vastly different things. There is no denying that Trumps rejection of NAFTA and opposition to foreign wars were very socialist stances, any obedient republican or establishment dem is wholeheartedly in favor of both of these things.

I do a lot of things... in this thread I am currently destroying jamokes with asanine political opinions on both the right and left

[Nanners]

The country no doubt is the most liberal its ever been....and yes we have a republican senate and....whatever Trump is. The court takes time and luck. Its for life.

But like all the rest.....the margin is getting to be hard to overcome if things keep going the way they have. Its not overnight of course. Not only are hispanic places getting younger and browner....they are getting more representation. Current estimates have Texas getting like 3 more seats in congress by 2024 and more electoral votes. Arizona too(though it went red). And Florida. New York might lose one...but new york is way further from being up for grabs.

Im not looking at today. Im projecting and wondering how the conversation looks in time.

Texas even being worth talking about seemed so unlikely when we were on here talking George Bush.

Beto as someones running mate...he would make it a story. It would get the texas republicans out to vote I imagine trying to put it off another cycle or two....but how long can they be held off?

What reliable blue states can republicans hope to make reliably red to offset the power texas currently has?

Like I said in my original response to you, the entirety of this naive political take rests on the laughably flawed assumption that republicans will do nothing to change their platform if/when the demographics change to the point that they can no longer win.

[rufuspaul]

I do a lot of things... in this thread I am currently destroying jamokes with asanine political opinions on both the right and left

:lol How much does that pay?




The Radical Left Dems went after me for using the words “drug-infested” concerning Baltimore. Take a look at Elijah C.

He may not say "socialist" that often but we know what he means.

[Nanners]

:lol How much does that pay?

it pays pretty well these days, this site has a ton of asanine political opinions and the compensation is performance based. during the 2016 primary and election I earned enough to shave 10 years off my retirement date simply from my takedowns on the douchebag shill KevinNYC

[Nanners]

He may not say "socialist" that often but we know what he means.

I dont know that.

To me, "radical leftists" like he said in the quoted tweet are people like AOC and Ilhan Omar who support open borders, trannies in womens bathrooms, and other fringe far-left social positions, but dont really give a **** about left-wing economics or foreign policy... while a "socialist" like Bernie does not support open borders or waste his time arguing about irrelevant bathroom laws, but does support economic and foreign policies that would help the vast majority of american people.

[rufuspaul]

I dont know that.

To me, "radical leftists" like he said in the quoted tweet are people like AOC and Ilhan Omar who support open borders, trannies in womens bathrooms, and other fringe far-left social positions, but dont really give a **** about left-wing economics or foreign policy... while a "socialist" like Bernie does not support open borders or waste his time arguing about irrelevant bathroom laws, but does support economic and foreign policies that would help the vast majority of american people.

True. It's too bad Bernie won't get the chance to point out the difference.

[Nanners]

True. It's too bad Bernie won't get the chance to point out the difference.

yeah, it is too bad... but ultimately i dont really mind another 4 years of trump, and it will be fun mocking the dems for another 4 years after they cheat Bernie (again) in favor of Biden or Pocahontas or some other useless loser establishment douchebag... so whatever :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

And really....what issues from the "progressive" side of things has ever not eventually been won as times changed?
Eugenics. Gun control. Socialism.

[NumberSix]

If Texas becomes as up for grabs as NC the republican party will move its headquarters to Dallas.
Texas isn

[RRR3]

it pays pretty well these days, this site has a ton of asanine political opinions and the compensation is performance based. during the 2016 primary and election I earned enough to shave 10 years off my retirement date simply from my takedowns on the douchebag shill KevinNYC
It’s asinine, professor.

[nightlight]

[QUOTE=RRR3]It

[Nanners]

:no: It's mean to correct spelling errors on the internet. You never know how someone is feeling and they might kill themselves.

yeah I dont know if life is worth living anymore if I am going to have my spelling corrected online :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

Eugenics. Gun control. Socialism.

“Progressives” have never actually won anything by the will of the people. The only wins they get is from activist judges deliberately misinterpreting the law. Even California voted against gay marriage.


Eugenics? Thats...not worth going into.

And the others depend on how you frame the question. Many people believe all gun laws are an infringement and we have gone so far left(in their definition) we cant see it. And socialism is what they called a number of things the American public wont now do without.

The usual way things go.....

Whoever the progressive of the era are(note...I did not say democrats....)....they are hated and called liberals or worse. Traditional values are defended.

They lose after a while.

They are remembered as an embarrassment. Grandpa with his weird old ideas.

The general progressive side has done a lot to make American life comfortable and closer to fair being called out for it by the other side the whole time until civil rights, social security, gay marriage, no slavery, the various union gained improvements in the workplace and so on are so fundamentally American in the eyes of most the other side cant fight it anymore.

Its gonna keep happening. America is too rich a country to have its citizens scared to get medical care due to the costs. Its gonna take a while. But the America of 2080 will have universal healthcare and the conservatives of that time will know they cant try to get rid of it just like social security and medicare now which are fundamentally socialist.

Conservatives are just generally on the wrong end of history....but...with so many of the great moral issues out of the way? That could change. Society as a whole is so far to the left compared to our grandparents day....and their grandparents day....its fighting over issues we arent THAT far apart on.

We force feed the public wedge issues to make us seem more different than we are.

Most of the issues left arent simple right and wrong....like feeding the starving old people, not having slaves, letting people vote, get married, or not work 58 hours a week as a 9 year old. All that shit is already mostly taken care of....the "traditional values" types wiped out not by progressives...but by progression itself. The new conservatives are the old liberals in a lot of ways. Not all. But a lot.

Its one reason I dont bother arguing so much about a lot of these things. Eventually the people fighting progressives lose....then pretend they weren't fighting to begin with because they look terrible.

I was on here saying the gay marriage fight was obviously gonna be lost in like 2003 with guys having these angry ass arguments. Right or wrong....its a battle that could not be won. Most of these things are.

Youre not gonna win against universal healthcare. Just put it off. And what does that accomplish?

I guess it helps get out the vote long as you can convince your base that its socialist but their SSI checks and medicaid arent and that EBT card gets refilled by Jesus.

But that wont last.

Expensive as it is...as poorly run as it will be for probably 20 years....its gonna happen. Then it will be your political suicide to try to repeal it.


I guess its possible the US shifts hard to the right but I dont see what could cause it. Its been leaning slowly left for 150 years.

A republican from 20 years from now will have to accept leftists things the average liberal wouldnt have 40 years ago. The entire spectrum goes left. Slowly...but surely.

[NumberSix]

Eugenics? Thats...not worth going into.

And the others depend on how you frame the question. Many people believe all gun laws are an infringement and we have gone so far left(in their definition) we cant see it. And socialism is what they called a number of things the American public wont now do without.

The usual way things go.....

Whoever the progressive of the era are(note...I did not say democrats....)....they are hated and called liberals or worse. Traditional values are defended.

They lose after a while.

They are remembered as an embarrassment. Grandpa with his weird old ideas.

The general progressive side has done a lot to make American life comfortable and closer to fair being called out for it by the other side the whole time until civil rights, social security, gay marriage, no slavery, the various union gained improvements in the workplace and so on are so fundamentally American in the eyes of most the other side cant fight it anymore.

Its gonna keep happening. America is too rich a country to have its citizens scared to get medical care due to the costs. Its gonna take a while. But the America of 2080 will have universal healthcare and the conservatives of that time will know they cant try to get rid of it just like social security and medicare now which are fundamentally socialist.

Conservatives are just generally on the wrong end of history....but...with so many of the great moral issues out of the way? That could change. Society as a whole is so far to the left compared to our grandparents day....and their grandparents day....its fighting over issues we arent THAT far apart on.

We force feed the public wedge issues to make us seem more different than we are.

Most of the issues left arent simple right and wrong....like feeding the starving old people, not having slaves, letting people vote, get married, or not work 58 hours a week as a 9 year old. All that shit is already mostly taken care of....the "traditional values" types wiped out not by progressives...but by progression itself. The new conservatives are the old liberals in a lot of ways. Not all. But a lot.

Its one reason I dont bother arguing so much about a lot of these things. Eventually the people fighting progressives lose....then pretend they weren't fighting to begin with because they look terrible.

I was on here saying the gay marriage fight was obviously gonna be lost in like 2003 with guys having these angry ass arguments. Right or wrong....its a battle that could not be won. Most of these things are.

Youre not gonna win against universal healthcare. Just put it off. And what does that accomplish?

I guess it helps get out the vote long as you can convince your base that its socialist but their SSI checks and medicaid arent and that EBT card gets refilled by Jesus.

But that wont last.

Expensive as it is...as poorly run as it will be for probably 20 years....its gonna happen. Then it will be your political suicide to try to repeal it.


I guess its possible the US shifts hard to the right but I dont see what could cause it. Its been leaning slowly left for 150 years.

A republican from 20 years from now will have to accept leftists things the average liberal wouldnt have 40 years ago. The entire spectrum goes left. Slowly...but surely.
You

[SomeBlackDude]

in 2019, are we still blaming hacked emails for big bad bern failing to break through with voters? :confusedshrug:

took him 5+ years to finally admit that there's no such thing as 'free' (https://www.politico.com/video/2019/06/27/bernie-sanders-taxes-2020-debate-068403).

support among crooked dems/socialists for 'free healthcare' has sunk 8 points in recent polling.

meanwhile, support for husseincare is +10 favorability (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html) across the board now.

a recent fox real news poll had support for the aca at 52/43 (+9).

[diamenz]

Only Yang can provide change. Everyone else is just the same bs. #YangGang2020

well then he'd better get aggressive and change his polling numbers next debate instead of just being another submissive azn.

[Nanners]

in 2019, are we still blaming hacked emails for big bad bern failing to break through with voters? :confusedshrug:

took him 5+ years to finally admit that there's no such thing as 'free' (https://www.politico.com/video/2019/06/27/bernie-sanders-taxes-2020-debate-068403).

support among crooked dems/socialists for 'free healthcare' has sunk 8 points in recent polling.

meanwhile, support for husseincare is +10 favorability (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html) across the board now.

a recent fox real news poll had support for the aca at 52/43 (+9).

another great example of why the dems are ineffective losers

70% of all american support medicare for all (https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/412545-70-percent-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all-health-care), not 70% of dems, 70% of ALL AMERICANS.

The american public is desperate for a better health care system, healthcare is the number 1 cause of bankruptcy in america and people are dying because they cant afford to buy 100 year old drugs like insulin... but the dem establishment and their douchebag footsoldiers like dondumbass here are doing everything in their power to convince people that they dont want a massively popular system that would be far cheaper than what we have now while also providing care for tens of millions who are currently uninsured or underinsured.

And no, we are still blaming the DNC for cheating Bernie. Remember when the DNC chair, CEO, CFO, and comms director all resigned during the same week of august 2016 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/08/02/democratic-national-committee-ceo-amy-dacey-resigns-in-wake-of-email-breach/?utm_term=.a02c53bd992f)? Why do you think that happened?

Why did the DNC publish this formal public apology (https://www.theverge.com/2016/7/25/12279134/dnc-apology-leaks-bernie-sanders) to Bernie and his supporters a few days prior to all the resignations?


"On behalf of everyone at the DNC, we want to offer a deep and sincere apology to Senator Sanders, his supporters, and the entire Democratic Party for the inexcusable remarks made over email," says the statement, signed by incoming interim chair Donna Brazile and other top brass at the DNC. "These comments do not reflect the values of the DNC or our steadfast commitment to neutrality during the nominating process."

The statement goes on to say the DNC "is taking appropriate action to ensure it never happens again."

[Hawker]

well then he'd better get aggressive and change his polling numbers next debate instead of just being another submissive azn.

Maybe he should start calling everyone racist. That seems to be the only thing people care about.

Is it true the dems were also attacking Obama quite a bit too?

[MaxFly]

Id say democrats usually have the larger margin for error if only because they almost always get the most votes(all but once in the last 30 years) and their key demographics increase(young people...minorities....women) while republicans die off(old white people in general). Trump has the usual incumbent edge but I dont know.....

Eventually....a democrat wins texas....right?

How many millions of young legal hispanics will turn 18 in the next few years? You dont need all of them to vote.

Im not sure what the long term plans of republicans is far as national elections.

If texas goes down in the next 12 years or so.....and California and New York stay blue....is it over for a generation?

Im amazed at the way they keep making an enemy of latinos like Texas and florida arent the whole ballgame. Even if they get 30% of the hispanic vote....is that enough once those scales start to tip? We are on pace for 14 states to be mostly non white in 12 years(up from 8 today).

Big picture wise....making an enemy of anyone seen to be insensitive to brown people might be the way to go even if it costs you percentage points in the short term.

Im not sure democrats have to do anything but lay the ground work and hope this or 2024 is the last year of a red texas. Trump is a good target to help that along. The number of hispanics I hear talking politics around me has never been higher. All of it about hating Trump.

You cant get those people voting nationally...and win....as a republican.

You might be able to win one more election but big picture wise....getting on the other side might be better.

Texas will eventually turn blue; the question is how quickly, and how permanently. Bush Jr. and his campaign recognized the subtle shift 2 decades ago and made deliberate overtures to the Hispanic community, in part because he was from Texas and understood the dynamic.

What we are seeing now is political malpractice on the part of the right... sacrificing long-term strategy and positioning for short-term gains. Here's the thing... many of these guys think that there was no such thing as the Southern Strategy, or that there are no efforts underway right now to disenfranchise minority voters. They don't see the faults in the party and how it has pushed voters away. They're either oblivious or they don't care, but it will cost them eventually; it already has.

[bladefd]

:oldlol: I think it's funny. I'd say we both lean progressive but you might hate the democrats as much as I do. I see what you and Kblaze are saying though. Kblaze is stating that demographic momentum is in their favor, but yeah, agree with you, the democrats have to actually make something happen instead of stumbling and fumbling to the goal line.

Biden will be another example of the dems f'n up royally. Said in that other thread, I think he's Trump's best shot at re-election.

Mistake candidates:
Biden
Harris
Castro
Klobuchar
Inslee
Gillibrand
de Blasio
Williamson
Bennet
Hickenlooper
Ryan
Delaney
Bullock

Potentially good:
Warren (she should figure out a way to combat the attacks she will get for claiming to be a part native american)
Buttigieg
Bernie (I'm close to dropping him to the list underneath because I feel he will alienate a lot of people, especially independents. He should be somebody's vice-president rather than a policy-driver)

Huge question marks:
Booker (very close to moving him to 'mistake candidates')
O

[pastis]

@someblackdude

Go and watch some jimmy dore. He is far away from being a trump supporter. Just to broaden your Horizont. He is debunking fake news from Cnn msnbc etc but also focusing on pelosi and many other high ranking democrats and their corporate friends who are lying basically all the time.

Just watch this

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MROW9dNnV60

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ueCE3EZuUHM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zoOQEImqd2U

[diamenz]

Maybe he should start calling everyone racist. That seems to be the only thing people care about.

Is it true the dems were also attacking Obama quite a bit too?

i think sanders & warren were attacking obama indirectly through obamacare and how it doesn't go far enough for 2020. other dems were also indirectly attacking him on night two when candidates took stabs at biden. booker brought up the fact that biden loves to invoke the obama years over and over but only when it plays to his favor. if one of the candidates tried criticizing obama's drone program for example (which they should), joe would step back and pull a 'hey, not me - i was only vp'!

[Nanners]

@someblackdude

Go and watch some jimmy dore. He is far away from being a trump supporter. Just to broaden your Horizont. He is debunking fake news from Cnn msnbc etc but also focusing on pelosi and many other high ranking democrats and their corporate friends who are lying basically all the time.

Just watch this

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MROW9dNnV60

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ueCE3EZuUHM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zoOQEImqd2U

no doubt our country is is ****ed when a night club comedian is doing the news better than the mainstream media... jimmy dore is a national treasure :applause:

[qrich]

[QUOTE=bladefd]Mistake candidates:
Biden
Harris
Castro
Klobuchar
Inslee
Gillibrand
de Blasio
Williamson
Bennet
Hickenlooper
Ryan
Delaney
Bullock

Potentially good:
Warren (she should figure out a way to combat the attacks she will get for claiming to be a part native american)
Buttigieg
Bernie (I'm close to dropping him to the list underneath because I feel he will alienate a lot of people, especially independents. He should be somebody's vice-president rather than a policy-driver)

Huge question marks:
Booker (very close to moving him to 'mistake candidates')
O

[bladefd]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]You

[bladefd]

another great example of why the dems are ineffective losers

70% of all american support medicare for all (https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/412545-70-percent-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all-health-care), not 70% of dems, 70% of ALL AMERICANS.

The american public is desperate for a better health care system, healthcare is the number 1 cause of bankruptcy in america and people are dying because they cant afford to buy 100 year old drugs like insulin... but the dem establishment and their douchebag footsoldiers like dondumbass here are doing everything in their power to convince people that they dont want a massively popular system that would be far cheaper than what we have now while also providing care for tens of millions who are currently uninsured or underinsured.

I'm 100% with you on this. We have to shift to medicare-for-all or another universal healthcare plan.

This is the only area I wonder about Mayor Pete. He says he wants universal healthcare but wants to start with medicare-for-all as a public option then build on that. Problem is that will not drive down costs quickly enough to only have universal healthcare with half the population only and will just be ammo for Republicans propaganda in 2024 to claim "SEE? SEE? We are still paying a lot for medicine! Universal healthcare doesn't work!" and you know lots of people will jump right on the bandwagon.

Enough incentives have to be provided in public option for people to realize they can get more for less. You have to drive in droves of people to take public option. Then you can seriously go after the insurance companies. Don't ban them, but instead drive them out of business. But it can't be through lax policies/measures, you have to actually light a fire under them.

[Nanners]

I'm 100% with you on this. We have to shift to medicare-for-all or another universal healthcare plan.

This is the only area I wonder about Mayor Pete. He says he wants universal healthcare but wants to start with medicare-for-all as a public option then build on that. Problem is that will not drive down costs quickly enough to only have universal healthcare with half the population only and will just be ammo for Republicans propaganda in 2024 to claim "SEE? SEE? We are still paying a lot for medicine! Universal healthcare doesn't work!" and you know lots of people will jump right on the bandwagon.

Enough incentives have to be provided in public option for people to realize they can get more for less. You have to drive in droves of people to take public option. Then you can seriously go after the insurance companies. Don't ban them, but instead drive them out of business. But it can't be through lax policies/measures, you have to actually light a fire under them.

pete is an establishment neoliberal, he has no real interest in medicare for all or anything else that helps the american middle class

[Shogon]

@someblackdude

Go and watch some jimmy dore. He is far away from being a trump supporter. Just to broaden your Horizont. He is debunking fake news from Cnn msnbc etc but also focusing on pelosi and many other high ranking democrats and their corporate friends who are lying basically all the time.

Just watch this

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MROW9dNnV60

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ueCE3EZuUHM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zoOQEImqd2U

:applause: :applause:

Logic and reason. I didn't even know this guy existed. I am now a fan.

[dude77]

biden is so weak that diblasio was punking his ass without fear

[SomeBlackDude]

biden is so weak that diblasio was punking his ass without fear

deblasio is polling at like 1%. it was like a fly tryna take down a bear.

seriously like 12 or so of the candidates need to stop wasting people's time/money and get back to their day jobs.

[qrich]

deblasio is polling at like 1%. it was like a fly tryna take down a bear.

seriously like 12 or so of the candidates need to stop wasting people's time/money and get back to their day jobs.

Hey buddy.

Will you finally answer why you support identity theft?

[RRR3]

I really liked Inslee. The environment is by FAR the most important issue. None of these other issues come close to being remotely as important in the long run, and Inslee was the only candidate who got that.

[GimmeThat]

hmm what's new about the electoral college? well, the senators of the upper house are going to present their economic degrees showing us how the U.S. economy is unsustainable and the newly sworn in Fed chair Jerome Powell have holes in policies causing the North America trade agreements to go out on a spin.

that happened on feb 5, 2018, so, probably not.

[Shogon]

hmm what's new about the electoral college? well, the senators of the upper house are going to present their economic degrees showing us how the U.S. economy is unsustainable and the newly sworn in Fed chair Jerome Powell have holes in policies causing the North America trade agreements to go out on a spin.

that happened on feb 5, 2018, so, probably not.

:applause:

[pastis]

:applause: :applause:

Logic and reason. I didn't even know this guy existed. I am now a fan.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_O2TRzA2ezk

obama cia and syria

[Rolando]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_O2TRzA2ezk

obama cia and syria

Nice one! :applause:

[Bosnian Sajo]

There is a clear reason why it is like that though...


They are not trying to make each other the enemy. Bernie doesn't wan his audience to hate Biden and vice versa, whoever wins wins, but they all want their audiences to back the Democrat that comes victorious...thus, if they are not going to point the finger at each other, they have a common enemy to point it at.

[Shogon]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_O2TRzA2ezk

obama cia and syria

Yep I

[Nanners]

If you like Jimmy Dore, check out Aaron Mate. He is a regular guest on Jimmys show and probably the #1 Russiagate debunker in all of media right now

https://youtu.be/hJDo0OSAg9s?t=1

[Hawker]

pete is an establishment neoliberal, he has no real interest in medicare for all or anything else that helps the american middle class

Would rather have pete than someone who sucks up to Putin and is CLEARLY a russian agent like Tulsi Gabbard.

:D

[bladefd]

pete is an establishment neoliberal, he has no real interest in medicare for all or anything else that helps the american middle class

Pete is a charismatic leader who can bring people together. He is the only candidate who reminds me of Obama.

Bernie has good ideas but he gets annoying after a while. He yells too much and goes on rants. He is outspoken & has powerful personality but no charisma. People tend to tune out folks like that quickly. That's why I believe he would be a great vice-president.

Elizabeth Warren is a good middle-ground between the two. I worry though about 2 things: 1) she could fall into the Hillary lane with white male voters. She will have to be very careful & improve from the things Hillary did wrong. 2) She will get torn apart on her claim she made about her native american ancestry. She pretty much lied about it for years. She needs to figure out a response that she can fall back on when Trump brings it up, and it has to go on the offense to tear him apart. Perhaps attack him on being a compulsive lying con-artist.

I truly think Pete is a reasonable person that he would listen closely to a Bernie/Warren co-president and implement their ideas. I think Pete is on the right track for everything but healthcare. Bernie/Warren would have to get in his ear and shift his healthcare views to align more with expanding public-funded healthcare.

[rufuspaul]

Pete is a charismatic leader who can bring people together. He is the only candidate who reminds me of Obama.

Bernie has good ideas but he gets annoying after a while. He yells too much and goes on rants. He is outspoken & has powerful personality but no charisma. People tend to tune out folks like that quickly. That's why I believe he would be a great vice-president.

Elizabeth Warren is a good middle-ground between the two. I worry though about 2 things: 1) she could fall into the Hillary lane with white male voters. She will have to be very careful & improve from the things Hillary did wrong. 2) She will get torn apart on her claim she made about her native american ancestry. She pretty much lied about it for years. She needs to figure out a response that she can fall back on when Trump brings it up, and it has to go on the offense to tear him apart. Perhaps attack him on being a compulsive lying con-artist.

I truly think Pete is a reasonable person that he would listen closely to a Bernie/Warren co-president and implement their ideas. I think Pete is on the right track for everything but healthcare. Bernie/Warren would have to get in his ear and shift his healthcare views to align more with expanding public-funded healthcare.


I like BootyJudge. I like when he was asked what it would mean to be the first gay president he said "I won't be the first." :lol

[Prometheus]

I like BootyJudge. I like when he was asked what it would mean to be the first gay president he said "I won't be the first." :lol

:lol

[RRR3]

:lol
:lol

[bladefd]

Looking through the donor distribution and the amount of funding ( https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/02/us/politics/2020-democratic-fundraising.html )..

Only realistic candidates so far imo are:
-Bernie
-Warren
-Pete
-Harris
-Biden

After those 5, the funding either plummets down fast or is distributed in a single state/area/region. Barring a major collapse or something crazy taking place, one of those 5 will be it. If Warren or Bernie quit, all of their support will go to the remaining of the two.

[diamenz]

Looking through the donor distribution and the amount of funding ( https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/02/us/politics/2020-democratic-fundraising.html )..

Only realistic candidates so far imo are:
-Bernie
-Warren
-Pete
-Harris
-Biden

After those 5, the funding either plummets down fast or is distributed in a single state/area/region. Barring a major collapse or something crazy taking place, one of those 5 will be it. If Warren or Bernie quit, all of their support will go to the remaining of the two.

holy smoke - sanders is dominating. biden holding steady in the south though. why are blacks krazy about him?

"If You Don’t Read the Newspaper You Are Uninformed, If You Do Read the Newspaper You Are Misinformed"

...msnbc & cnn feeding these older voters passive propaganda on a daily.

[NumberSix]

Isn’t it weird that the Democrats that win are the ones who do best in the south (aka, states they won’t win anyway)?

It’s a weird paradigm where Democrat primaries in the south are dominated by black voters (because white southerners overwhelmingly vote Republican) and the southern states are strategically placed in the primary process to have massive influence.

It’s just odd that the Dem primary is so affected by voters in states that Dems won’t win. It’s like if the Republican primary was mostly decided by voters in California, New York and Massachusetts.

[Nanners]

holy smoke - sanders is dominating. biden holding steady in the south though. why are blacks krazy about him?

"If You Don’t Read the Newspaper You Are Uninformed, If You Do Read the Newspaper You Are Misinformed"

...msnbc & cnn feeding these older voters passive propaganda on a daily.

Completely ****ing baffling that blacks support a guy who was one of the loudest voices in favor of the war on drugs and wrote/sponsored several of the racist bills responsible for mass incarceration of blacks... I suppose we have Obama to thank

[coin24]

Congrats trump on the easy re election:cheers:

[Nanners]

Pete is a charismatic leader who can bring people together. He is the only candidate who reminds me of Obama.

:oldlol:

Who has Pete ever brought together? His only political experience is being mayor of a town of 100k, and he certainly hasnt brought people together there. (https://www.salon.com/2019/06/25/mayor-petes-tough-homecoming-did-the-buttigieg-campaign-just-go-south-in-south-bend/)


Bernie has good ideas but he gets annoying after a while. He yells too much and goes on rants. He is outspoken & has powerful personality but no charisma. People tend to tune out folks like that quickly. That's why I believe he would be a great vice-president.

Bernie talks like a working class Jew from New York, not only is this line of criticism stupid but its also classist and borderline anti-semetic.

Anyway, the fact that Donald Trump is currently president proves that your theory about voters tuning out candidates that are loud and outspoken is nonsense.


Elizabeth Warren is a good middle-ground between the two. I worry though about 2 things: 1) she could fall into the Hillary lane with white male voters. She will have to be very careful & improve from the things Hillary did wrong. 2) She will get torn apart on her claim she made about her native american ancestry. She pretty much lied about it for years. She needs to figure out a response that she can fall back on when Trump brings it up, and it has to go on the offense to tear him apart. Perhaps attack him on being a compulsive lying con-artist.

While Elizabeth Warren has a better disguise than most of the other douchebags running for the dem nomination, she is ultimately just another establishment phoney, and you are correct that Trump would tear her apart.


I truly think Pete is a reasonable person that he would listen closely to a Bernie/Warren co-president and implement their ideas. I think Pete is on the right track for everything but healthcare. Bernie/Warren would have to get in his ear and shift his healthcare views to align more with expanding public-funded healthcare.

I think you are a good person and I know you mean well, but you consistently post some of the most retarded political takes on this entire site... which is quite a feat considering some of the brainlets we have around here.

[NumberSix]

Only realistic candidates so far imo are:
-Donald Trump

fixed.

[RRR3]

Typical Nanners. Bernie is perfect and everyone else is horrible :rolleyes:

Apparently you

[MaxFly]

Completely ****ing baffling that blacks support a guy who was one of the loudest voices in favor of the war on drugs and wrote/sponsored several of the racist bills responsible for mass incarceration of blacks... I suppose we have Obama to thank

Yeah, it's not something that is going to really stick in the African American community... especially among older African Americans. The Obama effect tends to wipe that all away.

Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, has largely escaped scrutiny for his vote for the bill, but if the race ever narrows to one between him and Elizabeth Warren, her campaign is going to eviscerate him on the issue and trot out all of his favorable quotes in regards to the bill... especially his vote for an amendment allocating billions for prison construction. :confusedshrug:

[SomeBlackDude]

Typical Nanners. Bernie is perfect and everyone else is horrible :rolleyes:

this man is blaming comrade bern running behind pocahontas on crooked hillary's emails.

in 2019.

what a time.

[RRR3]

this man is blaming comrade bern running behind pocahontas on crooked hillary's emails.

in 2019.

what a time.
Bernie and Warren have a “long-standing friendship” (source: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-2020.amp.html) but she’s the devil and Bernie is god, if we were to listen to Nanny boy.

[SomeBlackDude]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Bernie and Warren have a

[Nanners]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Typical Nanners. Bernie is perfect and everyone else is horrible :rolleyes:

Apparently you

[Nanners]

cake and caviar eater bern (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtorlPFoYMs) lost all of his street cred. :lol

Considering you are still posting on an alt account out of embarrassment over being wrong (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXtHd25RyV4) about virtually every aspect of the 2016 election, you are def an expert on "street cred" :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Speaking of learning nothing, DNC lost to a political novice game show host in 2016 because they cheated Bernie and forced an establishment candidate on their voters... and they appear to be doing it again.
Not saying you don’t have a point here, because you do, but you’re still part of the problem with your ridiculous closed-minded thinking.

[SomeBlackDude]

Considering you are still posting on an alt account out of embarrassment over being wrong (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXtHd25RyV4) about virtually every aspect of the 2016 election, you are def an expert on "street cred" :oldlol:

only started posting here in 2018, friend. check the join date. :confusedshrug:

on topic, does bern guevara being a confirmed million-year who only paid a 26% effective tax rate (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC4iaqJcp2w) make you more or less inclined to support him?

did he donate the other 44% to charity at least?

thus far, senator pocahontas has yet to cross the million-year threshold.

who do you believe in? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMlaMecjDPg)

:confusedshrug:

[bladefd]

:oldlol:

Who has Pete ever brought together? His only political experience is being mayor of a town of 100k, and he certainly hasnt brought people together there. (https://www.salon.com/2019/06/25/mayor-petes-tough-homecoming-did-the-buttigieg-campaign-just-go-south-in-south-bend/)



Bernie talks like a working class Jew from New York, not only is this line of criticism stupid but its also classist and borderline anti-semetic.

Anyway, the fact that Donald Trump is currently president proves that your theory about voters tuning out candidates that are loud and outspoken is nonsense.



While Elizabeth Warren has a better disguise than most of the other douchebags running for the dem nomination, she is ultimately just another establishment phoney, and you are correct that Trump would tear her apart.



I think you are a good person and I know you mean well, but you consistently post some of the most retarded political takes on this entire site... which is quite a feat considering some of the brainlets we have around here.

The way Pete expresses his ideas and the manner in which he does is charismatic. Very much Obama-esque. That, believe it or not, is a quality voters will certainly consider, especially going up against the moron ogre Trump. Pete is soft-spoken and direct to the point.

And no, that point about Bernie being a yeller turning people off is not anti-semetic. As for Trump, plenty of America is tuning hm out already. They know it will be the same old sh!t from Donald, just a new day. People tune it out, and it makes them feel sick of politics after a while.

You are a Bernie bro.. I admire you defending Bernie, but I don't know if the environment is right for a self-declared socialist. Trump commands fear, and we know he will use that to scare the public of anything "socialist" related. Other potential issue is a Republican Senate - they will continue that fear with a Bernie president in anything and everything he does, claiming it to be socialist this socialist that. I am not sure how it would go down.

[Hawker]

Pete is a charismatic leader who can bring people together. He is the only candidate who reminds me of Obama.

Bernie has good ideas but he gets annoying after a while. He yells too much and goes on rants. He is outspoken & has powerful personality but no charisma. People tend to tune out folks like that quickly. That's why I believe he would be a great vice-president.

Elizabeth Warren is a good middle-ground between the two. I worry though about 2 things: 1) she could fall into the Hillary lane with white male voters. She will have to be very careful & improve from the things Hillary did wrong. 2) She will get torn apart on her claim she made about her native american ancestry. She pretty much lied about it for years. She needs to figure out a response that she can fall back on when Trump brings it up, and it has to go on the offense to tear him apart. Perhaps attack him on being a compulsive lying con-artist.

I truly think Pete is a reasonable person that he would listen closely to a Bernie/Warren co-president and implement their ideas. I think Pete is on the right track for everything but healthcare. Bernie/Warren would have to get in his ear and shift his healthcare views to align more with expanding public-funded healthcare.

Soooo...someone that lied about her ethnicity to get ahead and get special privilege is going to criticize Trump for being a compulsive lying con-artist. Right.

Also, is it true that Bernie said salaries would rise if healthcare wasn't tied to employers? Isn't that a concenssion that if you put requirements regulations onto a private business that salaries for individuals would end up going down - you know something that conservatives and libertarians have always preached?

[Ass Dan]

First time watching an opposition leadership debate there, sport?

[Shogon]

First time watching an opposition leadership debate there, sport?

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/08/430366932/the-first-gop-presidential-debate-by-the-numbers


Candidates mentioned Clinton or Obama a combined 44 times, according to our count.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/08/01/trump-mentioned-161-times-during-democratic-debates-detroit/1886143001/


His name was dropped 161 times between the two nights in Detroit. Sens. Michael Bennet of Colorado and Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts led in the most mentions. Bennet had 12 mentions and Warren with 11 mentions, according to CNN.

These quotes are my way of saying that you're an idiot.

[tpols]

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/08/430366932/the-first-gop-presidential-debate-by-the-numbers



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/08/01/trump-mentioned-161-times-during-democratic-debates-detroit/1886143001/



These quotes are my way of saying that you're an idiot.


Don julio with another dub.

[pastis]

teflon don

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ScratchyAssuredAvians-size_restricted.gif

[bladefd]

Soooo...someone that lied about her ethnicity to get ahead and get special privilege is going to criticize Trump for being a compulsive lying con-artist. Right.

Also, is it true that Bernie said salaries would rise if healthcare wasn't tied to employers? Isn't that a concenssion that if you put requirements regulations onto a private business that salaries for individuals would end up going down - you know something that conservatives and libertarians have always preached?

That's a talking point. Salaries will stay the same. Those businesses will just suck up the savings if they no longer have half of the employees' premiums tied to them. Probably use them as money savings :confusedshrug:

[SomeBlackDude]

teflon don

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ScratchyAssuredAvians-size_restricted.gif

meanwhile... in reality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq3Y3P07bJ0)

https://i.postimg.cc/kgknFmbj/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/d0PYZjbp/cohensentencing-856x642.jpg

[pastis]

meanwhile... in reality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq3Y3P07bJ0)

https://i.postimg.cc/kgknFmbj/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/d0PYZjbp/cohensentencing-856x642.jpg

https://cdn.esbarrio.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/giphy-56.gif

[NumberSix]

The way Pete expresses his ideas and the manner in which he does is charismatic. Very much Obama-esque. That, believe it or not, is a quality voters will certainly consider, especially going up against the moron ogre Trump. Pete is soft-spoken and direct to the point.
He

[pastis]

just saw biden at 32 and sanders second with 18. warren with 15. wtf? are the dems that stupid? didnt they learn anything from the clinton desaster? another corporate democrat who wont change shit other than more free trade agreements and more wars? trump wins against biden. i hope for sanders or warren. univeral healthcare is not debatable.


or the polls are fake by cnn et al. i wouldnt be surprised. they hate sanders and love the corporate libtards like clinton, biden or hickerhooper. more gay rights, open borders, immigration, free trade, no tax for the wealthy. universal health care? ending the hire and fire policy? socialism!

[bladefd]

Biden's age is showing..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZmUnR9TOmo

He has no business running for president or anything for that matter..

[diamenz]

Biden's age is showing..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZmUnR9TOmo

He has no business running for president or anything for that matter..

blame the clueless blacks in the south for the majority of his support.

[dude77]

pete is 5'7" and looks like alfred e neuman .. no shot



https://youtu.be/E78OnfyQiWo?t=23

[bladefd]

[QUOTE=NumberSix]He

[dude77]

"go to joe30330"


then when asked the next day what he would've said differently, he said 'I would've said text instead of joe'


https://media0.giphy.com/media/G1Zu26ae7mZr2/source.gif

[NumberSix]

blame the clueless blacks in the south for the majority of his support.
This is a bad take.

It’s generally a good idea to accept that people understand their own interests/values. Just because someone’s interests/values don’t match yours doesn’t mean they’re clueless, that they’re stupid or that they’re badly motivated.

All data shows that most black Democrats tend to be on the more moderate or even conservative side of the party. That being the case, it makes perfect sense that most black Democrats are not backing Warren or Sanders.

Some Republicans also make this mistake by saying that black Americans have somehow been tricked into being Democrats. This is also wrong. Black people tend to live mainly in cities and then some in the suburbs. They have city folk interests/values.

The rural population is almost entirely white. City folks vote like city folks. Suburb folks vote like suburb folks. Rural folks vote like rural folks. The white vote leans towards suburb+rural interests/values. The black vote leans towards city+suburb interests/values. White city folks also vote like city folks, but there are outnumbered by white people in the suburbs and rural areas.

It’s tempting to group people by racial group, but these things are actually better explained by where people live, work, etc.

[Hawker]

That's a talking point. Salaries will stay the same. Those businesses will just suck up the savings if they no longer have half of the employees' premiums tied to them. Probably use them as money savings :confusedshrug:

So he was being dishonest?

If that ever happened, I guarantee you employees would start asking for increased salary. Compensation by companies is looked at from an overall perspective (salary +401k+benefits) and not just salary.

[pastis]

richard stengel, msnbc political analyst sees in gabbard a russian puppet.

https://mobile.twitter.com/stengel/status/1156941604474806273


cnn and msnbc are a disgrace to unbiased journalism



https://pics.me.me/i-see-russians-everywhere-27051412.png

[Shogon]

richard stengel, msnbc political analyst sees in gabbard a russian puppet.

https://mobile.twitter.com/stengel/status/1156941604474806273


cnn and msnbc are a disgrace to unbiased journalism



https://pics.me.me/i-see-russians-everywhere-27051412.png

That is absolutely outrageously PISSING ME THE **** OFF.

How can it be legal that people IN THE MEDIA can just post or say complete and utter fiction AKA COMPLETE BULLSHIT LIES as if they were fact!

We live in an age of say whatever the **** you want without any repercussions whatsoever. Pretty sure freedom of speech and freedom of the press weren

[Shogon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4212v5duBIM

Here’s some more freedom of speech... someone should beat the everloving shit out of that stupid **** Stengel. What a piece of shit.

As great as the internet is and the many benefits it brings, holy shit does it serve as a brainwashing device and platform for every ****ing lunatic psychopath.

[pastis]

That is absolutely outrageously PISSING ME THE **** OFF.

How can it be legal that people IN THE MEDIA can just post or say complete and utter fiction AKA COMPLETE BULLSHIT LIES as if they were fact!

We live in an age of say whatever the **** you want without any repercussions whatsoever. Pretty sure freedom of speech and freedom of the press weren’t concocted with this kind of bullshit lunacy in mind.

its not better here in germany. we are forced to pay 20€ per month to finance public tv and radio channels. allegedly to secure unbiased journalism that is not dependant from corporate money.
result: public channels are not inviting right wing parties, are always accusing right wing parties as nazis and russian puppets. obviously immigration is a human right which cant be stopped. crimes commited by immigrants are always "tragic individual cases" commited by a mentally ill immigrant who suffered so much in africa or the middle east. most crimes are not even reported on public tv.
BUT if a pig head is found infront of a mosquee, we will have 3 days of non stopp coverage about how racist our comnunity is

[Kblaze8855]

This is a bad take.

It’s generally a good idea to accept that people understand their own interests/values. Just because someone’s interests/values don’t match yours doesn’t mean they’re clueless, that they’re stupid or that they’re badly motivated.

All data shows that most black Democrats tend to be on the more moderate or even conservative side of the party. That being the case, it makes perfect sense that most black Democrats are not backing Warren or Sanders.

Some Republicans also make this mistake by saying that black Americans have somehow been tricked into being Democrats. This is also wrong. Black people tend to live mainly in cities and then some in the suburbs. They have city folk interests/values.

The rural population is almost entirely white. City folks vote like city folks. Suburb folks vote like suburb folks. Rural folks vote like rural folks. The white vote leans towards suburb+rural interests/values. The black vote leans towards city+suburb interests/values. White city folks also vote like city folks, but there are outnumbered by white people in the suburbs and rural areas.

It’s tempting to group people by racial group, but these things are actually better explained by where people live, work, etc.



In the south....the SOUTH...im not speaking on the north or the west or whatever...

Where I have lived all of my fully adult life(South carolina, DC, North Carolina, and Georgia though born in chicago).....

Black people think republicans hate black people.

Not the normal everyday walking down the street cant identify what he believes white people.

But the country types? The muddin, fishing, hunting, bumper sticker, confederate flag guys?

Those people....make black people wary of white people. Dead serious. Right or not.

Those are the guys to buy 6 confederate flags and fly them from lifted pickup trucks.

We just dont see eye to eye with such people and it bleeds over into the entire republican party even if it shouldnt.

Personally...of the white people I know well? I dont think I have a single liberal white friend. All my white friends are conservatives. I have some really leftist co workers I get along with but I mean in my day to day outside work friends? The whites are all republican. But im in south carolina...so what are the odds 35-55 year old white guys wouldnt be republican?

We have perfectly reasonable conversations on it on the rare occasions we talk politics. Nothing mean spirited or disrespectful. I supported a friends dad who was running locally as a republican. Good guy. I used to go to their lake house back in the day. His dad was always cool to me. I dont care if youre a republican. Just...be cool with me and im cool with you.

But big picture wise in the south? The hillbilly whites are too vocal and in your face for black people to not see them as the face of republicans.

Its the same for both parties id say. The normal people just go about their business and you wouldnt even know their affiliation without asking. But the bigtime Trump guys...and the bigtime leftists...they are just annoying. They make the middle ground majority of both parties think most on the other side are nuts.

And in the south that Trump group is....aggressive. Ive not heard so many racial remarks since coming south in the early 80s summer. Back then you still had people just casually call you and your family ******s when they knew you would hear it. That has not come back....but I hear shit I never heard 10-15 years ago. Monkey jokes....crazy shit talk about the mexicans. For the record the only people I knew who hated mexicans like I hear white people around here do it now?

Old black people. Old black people in my life didnt care for hispanics but they were the only ones I knew. I hear people laughing about mexican kids drowning and just ugly ass racial remarks now.

I never once heard random groups of brown people of all races discussing how crazy white people are till recently. Guy I know from Palestine, some hispanics, and some black guys just standing around like "These people are ****ing crazy...." with the Palestinian making people uncomfortable tying the jews into it.

You would hear jokes during the Bush years about the "George bush doesnt care about black people" but I never heard a serious discussion about it. My mom would laugh at Bush but didnt seem to have a problem with him. Didnt even dislike Ronald much. She generally just ignores politicians. My mom was one of the kids being forcibly desegregated and not being allowed into white bathrooms and all(she got in trouble running into a white bathroom in woolworths in about 1959). She watched her classmates and teacher cheer when it was announced MLK got shot. She claims she has not seen white people so mean since those days. Im obviously not in a position to comment on 60s South Carolina vs today....im just giving you the report from the only person I trust who is.

And you know it isnt across the board. It isnt most republicans at all. A large block of it is people who likely were not voting at all pre Trump. The trump fanatics are their own non party sect to me. Normal republican will vote for Trump because they think his policies(even if not true beliefs) are closer to what they need.....but the guys who dont know shit about policy? Those types who just want to stop being PC?

Those are the ones ****ing up the reputation of normal conservatives in the eyes of the minorities I personally deal with.

Black people are gonna rep the big name democrats for some time to come with people like that being so visible. Black people are more socially conservative than whites on average id say. The main block of black voters(middle ages and older black women) dont seem in favor of any of the democratic issues socially. They sit around watching the 700 club and hearing pastors bash gays and agree all day. And most dont have strong opinions on the fiscal issues.

They just flat out dont think republicans like black people.

Its not my theory. Im not assuming. I hear it directly all the time.

Largely conservative minded black voters...think republicans dont like black people......and they think it more now than they have for a long time. They dont think democrats like black people...just that republicans have an active dislike. Right wrong or whatever. Just telling you what I hear at the secret meetings.

My(black) friend who is a cop in Williamson SC and now a part time truck driver....think Karl Malone....he rides horses and shit. He was pro trump as one might expect. But hes morphed into a democrat. And hes the type you would figure the country trump types would gravitate to. Black, law enforcement, fishing, big truck, horse riding guy? Thats who they sit onstage to show black people support Trump too. Whatever hes seen the last 2 years turned him from quiet Trump guy to "These people lost their damn minds".

You should see the shit he catches on social media from his family for the turnaround. They like "Oh you forgot you was a *****. But they didnt!". Granted...some of his turn was 2nd amendment related. Big gun guy. Was really upset about the "Take the guns first" thing.

[NumberSix]

[QUOTE=pastis]its not better here in germany. we are forced to pay 20

[NumberSix]

Black people are gonna rep the big name democrats for some time to come with people like that being so visible. Black people are more socially conservative than whites on average id say. The main block of black voters(middle ages and older black women) dont seem in favor of any of the democratic issues socially. They sit around watching the 700 club and hearing pastors bash gays and agree all day. And most dont have strong opinions on the fiscal issues.

They just flat out dont think republicans like black people.

Its not my theory. Im not assuming. I hear it directly all the time.

Largely conservative minded black voters...think republicans dont like black people......and they think it more now than they have for a long time. They dont think democrats like black people...just that republicans have an active dislike. Right wrong or whatever. Just telling you what I hear at the secret meetings.

I don

[Kblaze8855]

As always there was a change that mostly came with the civil rights movement and 50s Democrats talking like modern republicans. George Wallace isnt exactly pushing a liberal agenda no matter what you call him.....




We must not be misled by left-wing incompetent news media that, day after day, feed us a diet of fantasy telling us we are bigots, racists and hate-mongers.




They're building a bridge over the Potomac for all the white liberals fleeing to Virginia.




If any demonstrator ever lays down in front of my car, it'll be the last car he'll ever lay down in front of.




It's a sad day in this country when you can't talk about law and order unless they want to call you a racist.





The average citizen in this county has more intelligence and sense in his little finger than the editor of 'The New York Times' has in his whole head.



I am a conservative. I intend to give the American people a clear choice. I welcome a fight between our philosophy and the liberal left-wing dogma which now threatens to engulf every man, woman, and child in the United States. I am in this race because I believe the American people have been pushed around long enough and that they, like you and I, are fed up with the continuing trend toward a socialist state which now subjects the individual to the dictates of an all-powerful central government.


Call him whatever you want. The guy with that message could only be elected by republicans in 2019. The labels dont matter.


My great grandma was a republican at one time. Then she wasnt. Wasnt an unusual thing.

[Ass Dan]

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/08/430366932/the-first-gop-presidential-debate-by-the-numbers



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/08/01/trump-mentioned-161-times-during-democratic-debates-detroit/1886143001/



These quotes are my way of saying that you're an idiot.

what we got, double the time, 23 or something vs 10? Keep trying, sport.

[Shogon]

what we got, double the time, 23 or something vs 10? Keep trying, sport.

So yeah double but then realize it’s one guy as opposed to two people... so roughly 4 times as much. I say again... you’re an idiot.

[bladefd]

So he was being dishonest?

If that ever happened, I guarantee you employees would start asking for increased salary. Compensation by companies is looked at from an overall perspective (salary +401k+benefits) and not just salary.

Talking points are usually political nonsense.

Anyways, employees have been asking for raises for past 3 decades as you account for inflation and cost of living, but it has barely budged. Companies/corporations hold all of the cards, you really think they will change now? Only reason why they even paid half of the premiums is because it was government-mandated, not because of the goodness of their hearts.

[bladefd]

I don’t doubt that what you’re saying is true, but I also don’t buy that southern black people vote Democrat simply because they think Republicans dislike black people. It’s not that long ago when southern Democrats were OVERTLY and aggressively racist and the black vote still went blue. At some point, it really must be policy preferences.

Wait, blue is usually Democrat party reference, right?

As I keep telling you.. Black vote used to be mostly Republican until FDR came along[/URL] in the 1930s*. Their ideologies used to closely coincide with the Republican party from the Civil War/Abe Lincoln all the way up to FDR, some of the support still remained into the 1970s as well when the Republican party of old left them for good**.

Sources:
*https://www.factcheck.org/2008/04/blacks-and-the-democratic-party/
*https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/07/14/331298996/why-did-black-voters-flee-the-republican-party-in-the-1960s

**https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-forgotten-history-of-black-republicans

[Hawker]

richard stengel, msnbc political analyst sees in gabbard a russian puppet.

https://mobile.twitter.com/stengel/status/1156941604474806273


cnn and msnbc are a disgrace to unbiased journalism



https://pics.me.me/i-see-russians-everywhere-27051412.png

Why are democrats so racists against russians?

[NumberSix]

Wait, blue is usually Democrat party reference, right?

As I keep telling you.. Black vote used to be mostly Republican until FDR came along[/URL] in the 1930s*. Their ideologies used to closely coincide with the Republican party from the Civil War/Abe Lincoln all the way up to FDR, some of the support still remained into the 1970s as well when the Republican party of old left them for good**.

Sources:
*https://www.factcheck.org/2008/04/blacks-and-the-democratic-party/
*https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/07/14/331298996/why-did-black-voters-flee-the-republican-party-in-the-1960s

**https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-forgotten-history-of-black-republicans
Wow, thank you dropping this knowledge. Blacks used to vote Republican then in the 30s switched to Democrat. Amazing. Nobody knew this. Thanks for enlightening us.

[Hawker]

Talking points are usually political nonsense.

Anyways, employees have been asking for raises for past 3 decades as you account for inflation and cost of living, but it has barely budged. Companies/corporations hold all of the cards, you really think they will change now? Only reason why they even paid half of the premiums is because it was government-mandated, not because of the goodness of their hearts.

The reason why the healthcare was mandated in the first place is because the government put a FREEZE on wages and a way to draw employees to their business - they offered to pay for their healthcare since they couldn't increase their wages. Then it just became expected so the government mandated it. And which has been a primary driver in increasing the price of healthcare over the years since we don't pay attention to the pricing of it since it's taken care of through our employer.

The corporations wanted to increase the salary of individuals but the government put a stop to that.

Corporations though!

[90sgoat]

Why are democrats so racists against russians?

It's more a jewish thing to hate Russians. The czar and his pogroms and all that.

It just so happens that there are a lot of jewish people in politics.