Zach Lavine vs Jayson Tatum

[PeroAntic]

who you got?

[sammichoffate]

I feel like Zach Lavine will end up better, but Tatum is a wing so it's kind of a weird comparison.

[PeroAntic]

I feel like Zach Lavine will end up better, but Tatum is a wing so it's kind of a weird comparison.
They are both around 200 cm with similar skillsets. :wtf:

[Vino24]

Lavine is what he is.

[pegasus]

Lavine is what he is.
And you're hoping Tatum is not what he was last year.

[sammichoffate]

They are both around 200 cm with similar skillsets. :wtf:Lavine is 6'5, Tatum is listed at 6'8. Idk where you're getting your info from dude.

[PeroAntic]

Lavine is 6'5, Tatum is listed at 6'8. Idk where you're getting your info from dude.
ok I didnt say they were the same height, but similar. **** sake.

They have similar build and style of play too.

My money is on Zach, hes simply a killer. If he just improved a bit on defense he'd be the best SG in the league.

[Wally450]

And you're hoping Tatum is not what he was last year.

Tatum's rookie year is better than anything Lavine did.

[tpols]

id bank on tatum having a big rebound year 3rd year & all the stars left, east is still weak enough for them to fight for the playoffs though.

[MrFonzworth]

ok I didnt say they were the same height, but similar. **** sake.

They have similar build and style of play too.

My money is on Zach, hes simply a killer. If he just improved a bit on defense he'd be the best SG in the league.
Have you seen either one of these player play at all ever?

[PeroAntic]

Have you seen either one of these player play at all ever?
Yes. whats your point?

[BarberSchool]

Zach has better rotational/lateral/angle quickness/explosion.
Tatum has slightly better str8 line speed/quickness.
Zach much better shooter off dribble. Zach better handles. Zach better finisher.
Tatum taller longer arms. Zach better vision. Zach better mind/pattern recognition/instincts.
Both have very high ceilings.
But Zach is already a far more complete scorer than Tatum is by far.

Zach.
If Zach hits his ceiling, we're looking at a poor man's Curry in pick and roll, with westbrook speed/explosion, and near Vince Carter rim finishing

[PeroAntic]

Except Zach is also better straight line speed..

[LoneyROY7]

Have you seen either one of these player play at all ever?

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[PeroAntic]

Lavine has surpassed Tatum at this point. And I love Tatum.

[RRR3]

Lavine has surpassed Tatum at this point. And I love Tatum.
:facepalm

[Real Men Wear Green]

Lavine has surpassed Tatum at this point. And I love Tatum.

No you don't love Tatum. Also you don't seem to care about defense.

[RRR3]

No you don't love Tatum. Also you don't seem to care about defense.
His favorite players are Rose, Carmelo, Jabari Parker and Lavine. It’s safe to say he actively hates defense.

[PeroAntic]

No you don't love Tatum. Also you don't seem to care about defense.

Tatum is still a better defender than Lavine but Lavine has become better offensively.

Lavine being a bad defender is one of the biggest myths of casuals these days. People still think its 2017 smh

[Airupthere]

Lavine has surpassed Tatum at this point. And I love Tatum.

I agree with this. Tatum's game is predictable and more limited than Lavine.

[PeroAntic]

His favorite players are Rose, Carmelo, Jabari Parker and Lavine. It’s safe to say he actively hates defense.

I see you conviniently omitted Jimmy Butler. Not my fault that I like players with style.

Anyway stick to the topic. its not me.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Tatum is still a better defender than Lavine but Lavine has become better offensively.

Lavine being a bad defender is one of the biggest myths of casuals these days. People still think its 2017 smh
If Lavine has an edge on offense it's small. Meanwhile Tatum has done well defensively on elite offensive players like Kawhi Leonard. Tatum is one of the best wings in the game at both ends of the floor. Lavine is only elite in one end of the floor.

[PeroAntic]

If Lavine has an edge on offense it's small. Meanwhile Tatum has done well defensively on elite offensive players like Kawhi Leonard. Tatum is one of the best wings in the game at both ends of the floor. Lavine is only elite in one end of the floor.

Tatum isn't a great defender by any means. He's good, decent. can hold his ground most of the time. Lavine is close to that level now that he actually puts in effort on the defensive side. Going from a bad defender to average means there is still room to grow. Meanwhile Tatum hasn't improved much in the last two years.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Tatum isn't a great defender by any means. He's good, decent. can hold his ground most of the time. Lavine is close to that level now that he actually puts in effort on the defensive side. Going from a bad defender to average means there is still room to grow. Meanwhile Tatum hasn't improved much in the last two years.

Let me know when opposing coaches like Greg Popovich are praising Lavine defense like they do Tatum. When Lavine defends Kawhi Leonard and is getting stops.

[tontoz]

:facepalm

OP has some...uhhh...interesting takes. Check out his assessment of Zion on page 1 of the Zion/Anthony Bennett thread.

[tontoz]

Last year Chicago's defense gave up over 8 pts per 100 possessions more with Lavine on the court.

http://www.82games.com/1920/19CHI6.HTM#onoff

Meanwhile Boston gave up 5 pts fewer with Tatum on the court.

http://www.82games.com/1920/19BOS9.HTM#onoff

[PeroAntic]

Last year Chicago's defense gave up over 8 pts per 100 possessions more with Lavine on the court.

http://www.82games.com/1920/19CHI6.HTM#onoff

Meanwhile Boston gave up 5 pts fewer with Tatum on the court.

http://www.82games.com/1920/19BOS9.HTM#onoff

Zach has improved a lot from last year defensively. He fights screens and follows cutters a lot better. Doesn't give up on plays either which was a huge problem. Eye test don't lie

[tontoz]

Zach has improved a lot from last year defensively. He fights screens and follows cutters a lot better. Doesn't give up on plays either which was a huge problem. Eye test don't lie

Your eyes have been lying to you for years. :roll:

[PeroAntic]

Your eyes have been lying to you for years. :roll:

No, I recognized the previous years he was a bad defender. This one he has improved in the exact aspects I mentioned. If you watched Bulls games you would see that. but you seem to be blind, as also evidenced that you weren't able to read what you ****ing quoted.

[tontoz]

Lavine's new found dedication to defense certainly isn't showing up in his on/off numbers.

http://www.82games.com/2021/20CHI5.HTM#onoff

[Axe]

Lavine has surpassed Tatum at this point. And I love Tatum.
:roll:

[PeroAntic]

Guy laughs at a statement that player A is better than player B when player A beats player B in 90 percent of statistical categories.

Only on ISH.

[DoctorP]

Tatum is a more complete player, giving you offense and defense at a high level but LaVine has shown to be the more explosive offensive talent.

I'd like to see these guys go at it more.

[PeroAntic]

Still think Lavine is better, albeit marginally.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You are entitled to your opinion.

An unusual thing about Tatum: He didnt just get better at basketball since coming into the league he has become a different type of player. As a rookie he was a 6'8, 215lbs 2/3 that excelled at threes, could shoot pretty well off the dribble but struggled to finish in traffic. Now he is a 6'10 235 lbs (I'm not sure about the weight guessing here) 3/4 (can play 2 but doesn't) that can hit threes but is at his best attacking the basket. Can also hit shots off the dribble but again when watching him you just want him to get into the paint. One of the biggest and strongest perimeter players in the league. He's dunking on bigs and knocking opposing 3s out of the way. I think he is who he will be for the rest of his prime and may just end his career as a 4.

[Wally450]

Now he is a 6'10

Is that true? I always thought that was a running Brad Stevens joke. I don't think he's 6'10. He doesn't look it to me.

[AirBonner]

Zack LaVine career high is 50pts. Tatum’s is 60. Tatum has the MOST 50pt games over the last year. Tatum scores more points per game than LaVine. You have to be a complete fvck-tard to think LaVine is a better more explosive offensive player…

[Real Men Wear Green]

Is that true? I always thought that was a running Brad Stevens joke. I don't think he's 6'10. He doesn't look it to me.
https://www.nbcsports.com/sites/rsnunited/files/article/hero/Jayson-Tatum-Kevin-Durant-USATSI_17843453.jpg

[PeroAntic]

You are entitled to your opinion.

An unusual thing about Tatum: He didnt just get better at basketball since coming into the league he has become a different type of player. As a rookie he was a 6'8, 215lbs 2/3 that excelled at threes, could shoot pretty well off the dribble but struggled to finish in traffic. Now he is a 6'10 235 lbs (I'm not sure about the weight guessing here) 3/4 (can play 2 but doesn't) that can hit threes but is at his best attacking the basket. Can also hit shots off the dribble but again when watching him you just want him to get into the paint. One of the biggest and strongest perimeter players in the league. He's dunking on bigs and knocking opposing 3s out of the way. I think he is who he will be for the rest of his prime and may just end his career as a 4.

Lavine has made even greater progress than Tatum. When he came in the league he was just a dunker. His strength, finishing, shooting and handle improved massively.

[PeroAntic]

Zack LaVine career high is 50pts. Tatum’s is 60. Tatum has the MOST 50pt games over the last year. Tatum scores more points per game than LaVine. You have to be a complete fvck-tard to think LaVine is a better more explosive offensive player…

What a dumb argument. Lavine is pretty much 50/40/90 club, on huge 3pt volume as well. The only thing Tatum has over him is defense, but the gap is not that big, Tatum is somewhat overrated as a defender and Lavine a bit underrated

[AirBonner]

What a dumb argument. Lavine is pretty much 50/40/90 club, on huge 3pt volume as well. The only thing Tatum has over him is defense, but the gap is not that big, Tatum is somewhat overrated as a defender and Lavine a bit underrated

That is your opinion backed up with nothing

[Real Men Wear Green]

Lavine has made even greater progress than Tatum. When he came in the league he was just a dunker. His strength, finishing, shooting and handle improved massively.
I paid no attention to Lavine in Minnie so I'm not going to say he hasn't progressed. But the point of my post wasn't just that progress has been made it's that Tatum is a different player. Rookie Tatum couldn't have defended 4s but now he can. He wouldn't have been able to average 8 rebounds and now he can. He wasnt a good finisher and now he's a dominant force attacking the basket. But to get back to the part of the argument where you have an opinion that is just way off...
Tatum is somewhat overrated as a defender and Lavine a bit underratedThe Celtics will put Tatum on KD, Kawhi Leonard, etc...not just for a few possessions but as their primary defender for the whole game. Not saying he shut KD down, no one could do that. But he gets stops defending great players and is a key component of the best defensive 5 man unit in the NBA. Can anything like this honestly be said about Zach Lavine?

You can do a splitting hairs argument with a laser focus on fg %age to say that LaVine is a little better on offense that requires valuing that over who is averaging more points and has had bigger scoring highs. But when you compare them on defense? It's mot close, sorry.

And there is also a large difference in rebounding to be addressed.

[kabacho]

Neither, Kyle Kuzma

[RRR3]

LaVine is better offensively but Tatum is better overall.

[PeroAntic]

The Celtics will put Tatum on KD, Kawhi Leonard, etc...not just for a few possessions but as their primary defender for the whole game. Not saying he shut KD down, no one could do that. But he gets stops defending great players and is a key component of the best defensive 5 man unit in the NBA. Can anything like this honestly be said about Zach Lavine?

You can do a splitting hairs argument with a laser focus on fg %age to say that LaVine is a little better on offense that requires valuing that over who is averaging more points and has had bigger scoring highs. But when you compare them on defense? It's mot close, sorry.

And there is also a large difference in rebounding to be addressed.
Lavine averages 25 ppg with Derozan being the go to option and Tatum 26 ppg as the first name on the sheet. We all know Zach can get 50 if he forces it, but his shooting IQ is higher than Tatum so he picks his spots. hence the better efficiency.

Now whether greater efficiency closes the gap between their defense I don't know, but its dishonest to say that Im splitting hairs when Tatum shoots at 43 percent and Lavine at 50, and the gap is the same with 3pt shooting. This is not a small difference.

Ultimately if Im an offensive minded coach who likes to mix it up between motion offense and heliocentric ball I'd take Lavine. If I dont care that much about smooth functioning offense and just allow the main guy to get his shots, but I wanna set up a good team defense to compensate for that I go with Tatum.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Lavine averages 25 ppg with Derozan being the go to option and Tatum 26 ppg as the first name on the sheet. We all know Zach can get 50 if he forces it, but his shooting IQ is higher than Tatum so he picks his spots. hence the better efficiency.You are ignoring the fact that Jaylen Brown averages 23. If he didn't get hurt he would have repeated as an All-Star. Tatum has absolutely been learning the game this season in terms of how to play when he's the top focus of the opposing defense and the result was poor shooting numbers at the start of the season. But he is on a constant upward trend and has learned to be more of a facilitator when the defense is too much. Hence the strong 2022 after an uneven 2021.


Now whether greater efficiency closes the gap between their defense I don't know, but its dishonest to say that Im splitting hairs when Tatum shoots at 43 percent and Lavine at 50, and the gap is the same with 3pt shooting. This is not a small difference.What would be dishonest would be to say LaVine hits 50% when he's at 48. That is a 4.5% difference that if you did the math on may mean Tatum averages one more miss per game?


Ultimately if Im an offensive minded coach who likes to mix it up between motion offense and heliocentric ball I'd take Lavine. If I dont care that much about smooth functioning offense and just allow the main guy to get his shots, but I wanna set up a good team defense to compensate for that I go with Tatum.Celtics offense has been pretty in the new year. Guess who leads the league in plus-minus? Hint: It's not Zach LaVine.

[Axe]

I love lavine and what he's doing for the bulls rn but come on op. Don't be a douche. Tatum is more versatile since he's bigger. And whether you like it or not, he has been more significant in his career so far. The guy made it to double trips in the conference finals during the postseason and we saw him drop 50 points on what could possibly be the most stacked team in the east last year while we have yet to see on what could be lavine's career high rt. This thread is pretty cringe, as well as your other ones where you usually root for young, potential players too much.

[tontoz]

Lavine is nice but he is a one way player. Zach's TS is 4% better than Tatum's which is significant but not enough to make up for the defensive gap.

[CountDracula]

https://i.ibb.co/C5gV5N88/480827983-1284109919552065-2001500918640074423-n.jpg (https://ibb.co/XZ1FZNLL)

[Real Men Wear Green]

I don't understand the point of the trolling with a bump like this. Anyway
Neither, Kyle Kuzma sums the thread up perfectly.

[04mzwach]

Lavine needs someone on the court that will teach him defense. It makes zero sense that a player so gifted isn't doing well on the defensive end. He's no less athletic than prime Wade, Kobe or Jordan.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Lavine needs someone on the court that will teach him defense. It makes zero sense that a player so gifted isn't doing well on the defensive end. He's no less athletic than prime Wade, Kobe or Jordan.
There is a mental aspect to defence but the most important thing is effort. The best perimeter defenders are always guys that outhustle, a player being smart and well-coached matters but it's not calculus.