Why do a lot of people value Wilt

[Vino24]

Makes no sense when Wilt sacrificed teamwork to chase stats

[Shogon]

Because they're stupid.

[Vino24]

Because they're stupid.
This is true. 3ball has Wilt 2nd on the GOAT list

[Shogon]

This is true. 3ball has Wilt 2nd on the GOAT list

3ball is a Kobe troll that's playing the ultra long game with MJ for whatever reason. Probably knows that LBJ passed Kobe a long time ago, and this is what he clings to.

[EllEffEll]

Everybody's criteria for rating great players probably differs depending on what that individual values in a player.

Wilt was an almost unstoppable offensive force in his prime. Honestly, he was a pretty good defender too, and rarely gets credit for NEVER fouling out of a regular season game or a playoff game. He averaged two personal fouls per game for his career.

Both were phenomenal rebounders too.

Russell was a great all-around player, but his career PPG is half that of Wilt's and people generally place a premium value on scoring points. TBH (and IMHO) it was his defensive presence that altered the games he played much more so than his offensive talents. Russell usually had better teammates than Wilt too.

Imagine if the two had traded places for their careers, it would be interesting to see which would had more rings.

[SouBeachTalents]

Everybody's criteria for rating great players probably differs depending on what that individual values in a player.

Wilt was an almost unstoppable offensive force in his prime. Honestly, he was a pretty good defender too, and rarely gets credit for NEVER fouling out of a regular season game or a playoff game. He averaged two personal fouls per game for his career.

Both were phenomenal rebounders too.

Russell was a great all-around player, but his career PPG is half that of Wilt's and people generally place a premium value on scoring points. TBH (and IMHO) it was his defensive presence that altered the games he played much more so than his offensive talents. Russell usually had better teammates than Wilt too.

Imagine if the two had traded places for their careers, it would be interesting to see which would had more rings.
That's underselling the shit out of him :lol Wilt is one of the greatest defensive players of all time

[LAmbruh]

@ Laz

[SouBeachTalents]

@ Laz
That nigguh hasn't posted in like 2 years, he honestly might have passed

[LAmbruh]

That nigguh hasn't posted in like 2 years, he honestly might have passed
:oldlol:

i'll never forget when someone posted his Top 10 over at RGM as a joke to see how they react and everyone was politely as possible roasting it. :lol

[LAmbruh]

Found a couple parody threads that X-posted to RGM from here:


mocking 3ball (https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1795321)


mocking Laz' top 10 (https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1600571)


:lol

[CAstill]

Tons of reasons but the number one being that most people feel like Wilt was the better player and if they switched spots Wilt would have all the rings. I think the casual fan is constantly told that Russell was the ultimate defender when in reality Wilt>>>Russell on defense. When Wilt did sacrifice stats for wins he was even better in that role than Russell. Wilt definitely had his teammates let him down multiple times which perpetuates the narrative that he was not clutch but in reality it was more unlucky than anything else. No problem with 3ball having Wilt second.

[Psileas]

For the same reason a lot of people valued Jordan's stats over Magic's and Bird's rings in the late 80's, when his ring count was still at 0. At least if you appreciate individual greatness, Wilt is your answer over Russell, although Russell is constantly underappreciated in this field.

[Pointguard]

Tons of reasons but the number one being that most people feel like Wilt was the better player and if they switched spots Wilt would have all the rings. I think the casual fan is constantly told that Russell was the ultimate defender when in reality Wilt>>>Russell on defense. When Wilt did sacrifice stats for wins he was even better in that role than Russell. Wilt definitely had his teammates let him down multiple times which perpetuates the narrative that he was not clutch but in reality it was more unlucky than anything else. No problem with 3ball having Wilt second.

:applause:

Wilt vs Russ is one of those rare situations where if Wilt played him one on one in a game to 100, Russ might get 16 points. Its rare to see that huge of discrepancy in any sport. It would be a total domination. True there is a team aspect to be considered but nobody is comparing Draymond Green to Anthony Davis either.

Wilt was more skilled, more prolific, a better shooter, a better passer, a better dribbler, faster, taller, etc. While Russ was great at rebounding, Wilt was better than him at that as well. While Russ was great at blocking shots, Wilt said in front of Russ and Wilt naysayers that when he played Russ, he blocked 3 shots to every one of Russ's and you could tell they weren't even thinking of contradicting Wilt.

[ImKobe]

Makes no sense when Wilt sacrificed teamwork to chase stats

Wilt's RS numbers are pretty meaningless considering that he actually got worse in the Playoffs and left Philly after choking a 3 - 1 lead to Boston followed by losing to the Celtics the following year again in the Finals in another sub-par series.

Wilt changed a lot about the game but at the same time Russell paved the way for Wilt and showed nothing but excellence on and off the court and had so much impact on the game and the black community overall that I don't think you could pick Wilt over him. People say peak Wilt is so much better but Russell and him were pretty much a wash when the Celtics beat the Warriors in the Playoffs when Wilt had his 50 ppg RS.

[iamgine]

[QUOTE]Why do a lot of people value Wilt

['Toine=MVP]

This is a wrong assumption. People value Wilt as a much better player, not his stats.

Yeah. The stats vs rings argument is way too simplistic.

[Carbine]

Wilt said it himself.

The difference between the two was the team needed to feed Wilt whereas Bill fed his team.

In GOAT arguments it comes down to what you did in the playoffs. Wilt was a career 30+ ppg scorer in the RS and a 22 ppg scorer in the playoffs.

Bill scored 16 PPG in the playoffs for his career. Not really much difference at all, one severely underperformed the norm and the other played above his norm when it mattered.

11 rings. Didn't win before he got there. Missed the playoffs after he left a champion coach/player. There was one constant during all that winning


"Hey, thank you for leaving me off your Mount Rushmore.

[BlakFrankWhite]

[QUOTE=Carbine]

"Hey, thank you for leaving me off your Mount Rushmore.

[Bronbron23]

They don't. I haven't heard or talked to many people who do. Most experts and people in general who know the game say Russell for the simple fact that he was was the better winner. At the end of the day that's what's it's all about. Yeah sometimes guys are put in a better position to win but that's just the luck of the draw. We don't know for sure if wilt was in Russell's shoes he''d win 11 chips but we do know Russell would.

I've never seen either play but from what I hear Russell played more within the Celtic system and wilt was the actual system. A great player who has a good coach and who trusts and plays within a good system will usually be more successful than a player who is the system.

[sdot_thadon]

Wilt was considered the goat by most when I was a child. Russell's rings only really became a thing in the early 2000's. Maybe Russell was underrated (my opinion) or maybe they people watching at the time know more than we do.(also true)

[Relinquish]

Wilt was considered the goat by most when I was a child. Russell's rings only really became a thing in the early 2000's. Maybe Russell was underrated (my opinion) or maybe they people watching at the time know more than we do.(also true)

Actually the Big O was considered the GOAT by most back then.

[superduper]

This is absolutely rich coming from a LeBrenda lover

[3ball]

This is true. 3ball has Wilt 2nd on the GOAT list
I bumped Wilt down after Kawhi's carry-job thru the East and over the Warriors

Perimeter goats (that aren't ball-dominant, teammate reducers) get more out of teammates and have better teamwork/teams with less help than goat bigs

Period

So Wilt is only king of the bigs now, with all perimeter goats over him.. (i.e. MJ, Bird, Kobe, Magic.... then Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Russell, Duncan.... then Durant, Kawhi, Curry, etc, then Malone, Lebron, etc..

It's always fluid...

By beating the Warriors easier than Lebron's super-teams did, kawhi reinforced the historical record that the MJ/Bird/Kobe/Curry/Duncan/KD off-ball template is the highest-caliber skillset that yields the best brand of ball and teams with the least help

[zeerghit]

I bumped Wilt down after Kawhi's carry-job thru the East and over the Warriors

Perimeter goats (that aren't ball-dominant, teammate reducers) get more out of teammates and have better teamwork/teams with less help than goat bigs

Period

So Wilt is only king of the bigs now, with all perimeter goats over him.. (i.e. MJ, Bird, Kobe, Magic.... then Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Russell, Duncan.... then Durant, Kawhi, Curry, etc, then Malone, Lebron, etc..

It's always fluid...

By beating the Warriors easier than Lebron's super-teams did, kawhi reinforced the historical record that the MJ/Bird/Kobe/Curry/Duncan/KD off-ball template is the highest-caliber skillset that yields the best brand of ball and teams with the least help
u such a clown:roll: :roll: