Stats or Rings - how many guys have EITHER argument over Lebron?

[3ball]

Looks like 8 total:

Rings - MJ, Kobe, Magic, Kareem, Duncan, Shaq, Russell

Stats - MJ, Wilt


So #9 or #10 is a completely legitimate ranking for Lebron.. Top 5 is infact not a lock... Not even close..

['Toine=MVP]

Stats/Rings is the argument LeBron fans try to pull because they think stats+rings = legacy but it doesn't. Don't fall into their poorly constructed trap.

[FKAri]

Stats/Rings is the argument LeBron fans try to pull because they think stats+rings = legacy but it doesn't. Don't fall into their poorly constructed trap.
3ball created the trap. That is why it is so poorly constructed.

[SouBeachTalents]

Looks like 8 total:

Rings - MJ, Kobe, Magic, Kareem, Duncan, Shaq, Russell

Stats - MJ, Wilt


So #9 or #10 is a completely legitimate ranking for Lebron.. Top 5 is infact not a lock... Not even close..
LeBron has more/as many rings as his teams best player than the bolded though. If we posting rings with no context, where's Havlicek or Pippen

[RealSkipBayless]

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[sdot_thadon]

Looks like 8 total:

Rings - MJ, Kobe, Magic, Kareem, Duncan, Shaq, Russell

Stats - MJ, Wilt


So #9 or #10 is a completely legitimate ranking for Lebron.. Top 5 is infact not a lock... Not even close..
Congrats Op, you've created a formula that makes no one eligible for goat.:roll:

Stats or Rings - how many guys have EITHER argument over Mj?

Stats- Wilt, Maybe Lebron

Rings- Russell, Havlicek, Sam Jones, Kc jones, Heinsohn, Sanders, Ramsey, Horry

Looks like 9 or 10 folks. So #9 or #10 is a completely legitimate ranking for Mj.. Goat is infact not a lock... Not even close..:rolleyes:

[egokiller]

Looks like 8 total:

Rings - MJ, Kobe, Magic, Kareem, Duncan, Shaq, Russell

Stats - MJ, Wilt


So #9 or #10 is a completely legitimate ranking for Lebron.. Top 5 is infact not a lock... Not even close..

MJ with the best balance of both as the man on his team = lock

Too easy.

Another one! :banana:

[bigkingsfan]

Russell still wins, GOAT defender, 11 titles, + two times team leading scorer in the finals = 13
Havlicek is 11 combined.

[Vino24]

LeBron has more points, assists, rebounds in the regular season and the playoffs then MJ. Sure you want to use stats? ;)

[Duncan21formvp]

Russell came into the league playing with the league mvp winner and ROY. He also never had to win 4 series in a year. For 8 titles he only had to win 2 series. From 1984 and onward you had to win 4 series a year for a title. Russell won 25 series for 11 titles, MJ 24 series for 6 titles, so basically the same considering all things.

[bullettooth]

Stats/Rings is the argument LeBron fans try to pull because they think stats+rings = legacy but it doesn't. Don't fall into their poorly constructed trap.
But but but... 9 finals appearances!

[GimmeThat]

OP sees a mff threesome and finds his way to turn it into a mfm threesome

heart attack getting boring for people yet?

[TheCorporation]

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Anyone

[3ball]

Basically, 8 guys have a legit argument over lebron... :facepalm

He could easily be ranked #9 and I put bird over him, so #10 at best

Throw in the collusion/"inorganic" style (per GM Griffin and 3ball), and difficulty building around due to his CP3 ball-dominant skillset (only "shooters" play well next to him), and he's easily out of the top 15.

[TheCorporation]

Image it...1k more points, both played 13 playoffs

why

https://i.postimg.cc/9M4CH92H/BronBron_1.jpg

[RRR3]

Mikey meltdown.

[Mask the Embiid]

LeBron's one ring vs the 73-9 Warriors is worth more than both Jazz rings + the Dennis Rodman stolen FMVP ring

LeBron getting to the Finals in 07 + 2018 is = to the magic johnson by himself ring

LeBron ring vs 3 future MVPs/ 3 top 30 players all-time is worth more than > The suns ring + Blazer ring


so that still leaves the Spurs ring....which means LeBron has more rings



eat it

[tpols]

Lekarlmalone

[tpols]

LeBron's one ring vs the 73-9 Warriors is worth more than both Jazz rings + the Dennis Rodman stolen FMVP ring

LeBron getting to the Finals in 07 + 2018 is = to the magic johnson by himself ring

LeBron ring vs 3 future MVPs/ 3 top 30 players all-time is worth more than > The suns ring + Blazer ring


so that still leaves the Spurs ring....which means LeBron has more rings



eat it


this is why you average IQ's in the 80s.

:yaohappy:

[RRR3]

Breitbartpols making up shit as usual.


Take off your klansrobes.

[pauk]

Rings? Only 8 dudes? WTF... its far more than that.... you know... Horry... Havlicek... and many other scrubs, they have more than MJ aswell... its afterall only a team accomplishment.... if Lebron had Jordans teams he would end up with far more rings because well... he is better....

Stats? Nobody.... Lebron had better overall stats than MJ and will end up having far more totals of literally every category, MJ was just a scorer and even there Lebron beats MJ, embarrassing... and as far as Wilt goes? lol, really? 60s all time high pace/possession vs white scrubs, really? Lebron would average 60-20-20-10-10 in 60s.

CONCLUSION = still LEBRON = GOAT > JORDAN



let me troll 3ball in peace damnit

[TheCorporation]

Imagine having 6 chips but you're embarrassed to talk about any of them

91 lakers = Worthy hurt, Kareem gone, Magic had AIDS (last year in the league)

92 blazers = 1 star Drexler vs 2 star MJ and Pippen

93 suns = Barkley vs MJ and Pippen

95 = whoops, Shaq waxed that ass

96 Sonics = 6'1 Payton locking down MJ who was outplayed by Shawn Kemp and stole the FMVP from Dennis Rodman

97 Jazz = weakest duo, basically a CP3 Blake Clippers pairing. Lots of regular season wins and nothing to show for

98 Jazz = literal worst #2 option in NBA history (10.7 ppg Hornacek)

TAKE YOUR PICK :lol Which was best :lol

[tanibanana]

Its always context... Ring argument is so overrated.

WINNER Group:
Tom Sanders - 8 Rings
Frank Ramsey - 7 Rings
Jim Loscutoff - 7 Rings
Robert Horry - 7 Rings
Michael Cooper - 5 Rings
Steve Kerr - 5 Rings
Slater Martin - 5 Rings
Don Nelson - 5 Rings
Jim Pollard - 5 Rings
Larry Siegfried - 5 Rings
Ron Harper - 5 Rings
Derek Fisher - 5 Rings

LOSER Group:
Karl Malone - 0 Ring
Elgin Baylor - 0 Ring
Tracy McGrady - 0 Ring
Steve Nash - 0 Ring
Dikembe Mutombo - 0 Ring
Lenny Wilkens - 0 Ring
Carmelo Anthony - 0 Ring
Chris Webber - 0 Ring
Alex English - 0 Ring
Patrick Ewing - 0 Ring
Reggie Miller - 0 Ring
John Stockton - 0 Ring
Charles Barkley - 0 Ring
Dwight Howard - 0 Ring
Chris Paul - 0 Ring
Dominque Wilkins - 0 Ring
Jack Sikma - 0 Ring
Russell Westbrook - 0 Ring

[brutalBBQ]

Lets go pound for pound:
Jordan (GOAT)
NBA
Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Class of 2009
6

[TheMan]

Rings? Only 8 dudes? WTF... its far more than that.... you know... Horry... Havlicek... and many other scrubs, they have more than MJ aswell... its afterall only a team accomplishment.... if Lebron had Jordans teams he would end up with far more rings because well... he is better....

Stats? Nobody.... Lebron had better overall stats than MJ and will end up having far more totals of literally every category, MJ was just a scorer and even there Lebron beats MJ, embarrassing... and as far as Wilt goes? lol, really? 60s all time high pace/possession vs white scrubs, really? Lebron would average 60-20-20-10-10 in 60s.

CONCLUSION = still LEBRON = GOAT > JORDAN



let me troll 3ball in peace damnit
:roll:

You're high...BTW when can we finally expect that video of MJ flopping? You promised that like half a decade ago or so :confusedshrug:

[superduper]

You're high...BTW when can we finally expect that video of MJ flopping? You promised that like half a decade ago or so

Here it is-

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[3ball]

Players with mostly point guard skillsets can't be goat (i.e. Nash, Cp3, lebron, Magic, Westbrook, Oscar, harden, etc)

They mostly turn teammates into play-finishers or spot-up shooters, so they can't elevate players or a team like other player types

The "spot-up shooter" result for teammates doesn't yield the best teams or teamwork and needs extra talent to offset the weaker teamwork and reach a championship level

Otoh, the historical record shows that the off-ball wing skillset results in the most rings (MJ, Bird, Kawhi, Dirk, Kobe, KD, Curry), the best teams, and the most organic teamwork

[sdot_thadon]

Players with mostly scoing skillsets can't be goat (i.e. Kobe, Mj, Wilt, Bernard King, etc)

They mostly turn teammates into utility role players or low volume scorers, so they can't elevate players or a team like other player types

The "utility role player" result for teammates doesn't yield the best teams or teamwork and needs extra coaching to offset the weaker teamwork and reach a championship level

Otoh, the historical record shows that the spreading the wealth results in the most rings (Russell, Magic, Duncan, Bird, Kawhi, Dirk, KD, Curry, etc), the best teams, and the most organic teamwork
Fixed that for ya

[3ball]

Fixed that for ya
Which skillset won more:


The ball-dominators Nash/Cp3,/Magic/Lebron/Isiah/Westbrook/Harden

or

the non-ball-dominators MJ/Bird/Kawhi/Kobe/KD/Dirk/Curry


It's not even close

[sdot_thadon]

Which skillset won more:


The ball-dominators Nash/Cp3,/Magic/Lebron/Isiah/Westbrook/Harden

or

the non-ball-dominators MJ/Bird/Kawhi/Kobe/KD/Dirk/Curry


It's not even close
Whats not even close is the team talent discrepancy between those 2 groups. Call it what it is.

[72-10]

3ball created the trap. That is why it is so poorly constructed.

it's made out of old egg cartons

[72-10]

interesting argument for team involvement 3ball...