Charles Barkley's Post Up Moves (15:48 Minutes)

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The GOAT Offensive PF!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2uD8l2Ra2E

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[andgar923]

The GOAT Offensive PF!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2uD8l2Ra2E

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I was actually gonna post this on that other thread, forgot.

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I was actually gonna post this on that other thread, forgot.

:cheers:

[Bigsmoke]

Moses Malone was arguable the GOAT mentor

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Moses Malone was arguable the GOAT mentor

:applause: Indeed he made Barkley tougher and made him loose all the extra weight.

[Elosha]

:applause: :cheers: He was so skilled. A lost art form...

[Elosha]

I'd forgotten just how good his up and under was. Right up there with McHale and Hakeem on that type of move. And he was also so skilled with his left hand...

[Elosha]

Also, the way he seals off his defender in the post is excellent. So many bigs today could benefit from this, even if they don't have Barkley's natural power.

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I'd forgotten just how good his up and under was. Right up there with McHale and Hakeem on that type of move. And he was also so skilled with his left hand...

McHale has the most moves ever. Hakeem had the best feet of any center ever. And then you got Wilt and Shaq as the most dominant inside scorers. Barkley? He was a mix of the first two mentioned skill wise but also had the power of the last two mentioned. Never will we see again someone so small doing what he did. As Dr. J said regarding Barkley: "Some parts of the game where a little to easy for him"

[Elosha]

McHale has the most moves ever. Hakeem had the best feet of any center ever. And then you got Wilt and Shaq as the most dominant inside scorers. Barkley? He was a mix of the first two mentioned skill wise but also had the power of the last two mentioned. Never will we see again someone so small doing what he did. As Dr. J said regarding Barkley: "Some parts of the game where a little to easy for him"

Great way to describe him. Utterly unique and supremely talented player. Won't see his like again, probably in my lifetime. :cheers:

[Phoenix]

Great vid. Barkley had deft touch around the rim with either hand, an assortment of counters,fakes and up n unders, combined with power, great leaping ability and quickness. Still a unique talent to this day...

[Indian guy]

I'm always amazed by how some athletes can be so skilled on the court, yet sound so dumb when they get in the booth/studio to analyze the game.

[GimmeThat]

have fun researching the efficiency of a quick shot over drawing doubles

[AussieSteve]

have fun researching the efficiency of a quick shot over drawing doubles

Can you expand on this?

[GimmeThat]

Can you expand on this?

the reason players generally aren't trained to jump before making a pass is because it's considered a wasted effort, unless some evolution-ed basketball technique makes such added effort to be unpredictable while increasing the efficiency of the offense

[sportjames23]

Moses Malone was arguable the GOAT mentor


Yup, mentored Dream and Sir Charles. :cheers:

[sportjames23]

McHale has the most moves ever. Hakeem had the best feet of any center ever. And then you got Wilt and Shaq as the most dominant inside scorers. Barkley? He was a mix of the first two mentioned skill wise but also had the power of the last two mentioned. Never will we see again someone so small doing what he did. As Dr. J said regarding Barkley: "Some parts of the game where a little to easy for him"


This is why I get upset with Chuck when he doesn't consider himself the GOAT PF. I've never seen a man his size do the things on the court he used to--score with ease, banging with big men in the post, beating them for rebounds, directing the offense, taking the ball from one end of the court to the other, etc.

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This is why I get upset with Chuck when he doesn't consider himself the GOAT PF. I've never seen a man his size do the things on the court he used to--score with ease, banging with big men in the post, beating them for rebounds, directing the offense, taking the ball from one end of the court to the other, etc.

He says Duncan is the best but he considers himself better than Karl Malone. This is despite the fact that Duncan spent most of his career playing at center.

[AussieSteve]

This is why I get upset with Chuck when he doesn't consider himself the GOAT PF. I've never seen a man his size do the things on the court he used to--score with ease, banging with big men in the post, beating them for rebounds, directing the offense, taking the ball from one end of the court to the other, etc.

I think he knows that he is. He just can't say that about himself when TD has 5 rings. He'd get roasted.

I think most objective people would acknowledge that peak Barkley was the best that a PF has been. He lacks the success and longevity of TD, and to a lesser exent Karl and Dirk, but this is entirely due to being on bad teams, then coming up against the GOAT, then suffering a prime-ending back injury at a relatively young age.

But seriously... give Barkley Pop and those spurs rosters, and he'd be winning rings too.

[Kblaze8855]

2003 removes a lot of the roster discussion. Tim won with a team that was just a bunch of washed up veterans and unproven fairly non-productive future good players. Hersey Hawkins in Philly was better than anyone Duncan had on the spurs in their 2003 form. Though I grant you Barkley was playing in a tougher league to win a title in at the time.

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What is really interesting is that a crippled, injured and oveweight Barkley held is own against Duncan in their last meetings. Now a 1989-93 Barkley? That dude was the 2nd best player in the league!

[colts19]

What is really interesting is that a crippled, injured and oveweight Barkley held is own against Duncan in their last meetings. Now a 1989-93 Barkley? That dude was the 2nd best player in the league!
What he said.

[fsvr54]

Zion should make this his bible.

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What he said.

Yes. He said Duncan is the GOAT PF. But...he considers himself better than Karl Malone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V846w8P_9OE

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have fun researching the efficiency of a quick shot over drawing doubles

Barkley was among the players that recieved more double teaming in NBA history. If you don't double Barkley in between the mid range and painted post area you where dead. He was amazing against double teams.

[AussieSteve]

2003 removes a lot of the roster discussion. Tim won with a team that was just a bunch of washed up veterans and unproven fairly non-productive future good players. Hersey Hawkins in Philly was better than anyone Duncan had on the spurs in their 2003 form. Though I grant you Barkley was playing in a tougher league to win a title in at the time.

I don't know about this.

1991 Hersey was a pretty good 2nd option in 91. Better than 2003 Parker? Sure. But the rest of the roster was so trash. Just really awful. And the coach? He was no Pop. And the opposition who beat them? They went 15-2 in the playoffs, including a sweep of the two time defending champs.

1990 was Barkley's best roster at Philly. 1990 Hersey was a sophomore and not better than 2003 Parker. Then you have Jackson, Bowen, Ginobli, DRob... these are all quality role players. Sure Barkley's role players scored more ppg, but this is due partly to pace, and partly to Barkley himself, who lifted everyone's scoring, as I have shown in a previous thread.

[Phoenix]

What is really interesting is that a crippled, injured and oveweight Barkley held is own against Duncan in their last meetings. Now a 1989-93 Barkley? That dude was the 2nd best player in the league!

I've seen my share of Chicago-Philly games circa 89-91 when Barkley was the dominant player on the floor....and that was with peak MJ sharing the court with him. Dude was a flat-out dynamic talent.

[superduper]

What is really interesting is that a crippled, injured and oveweight Barkley held is own against Duncan in their last meetings. Now a 1989-93 Barkley? That dude was the 2nd best player in the league!

In a league with the GOAT :bowdown:

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I've seen my share of Chicago-Philly games circa 89-91 when Barkley was the dominant player on the floor....and that was with peak MJ sharing the court with him. Dude was a flat-out dynamic talent.

Indeed: he was physically better in Phily than in Phoenix. But...in the Suns he was a smarter player in the post and all. Sadly that laste only 4 years and many people only know the Houston Barkley which is not close to prime or peak Sir Charles.

[Kblaze8855]

I don't know about this.

1991 Hersey was a pretty good 2nd option in 91. Better than 2003 Parker? Sure. But the rest of the roster was so trash. Just really awful. And the coach? He was no Pop. And the opposition who beat them? They went 15-2 in the playoffs, including a sweep of the two time defending champs.

1990 was Barkley's best roster at Philly. 1990 Hersey was a sophomore and not better than 2003 Parker. Then you have Jackson, Bowen, Ginobli, DRob... these are all quality role players. Sure Barkley's role players scored more ppg, but this is due partly to pace, and partly to Barkley himself, who lifted everyone's scoring, as I have shown in a previous thread.



Hawkins in his second season was pretty much who he was gonna be. He was 23 and put up 24ppg on good shooting in the playoffs. He outscored Barkley in the Cavs series and dropped 39 in the deciding game.

https://youtu.be/Er_2Us-vkhc


Hawkins killed the cavs. Drives. Off ball. 3s from all over.

Tony Parker was years from being an all-star player in 03. He was a 20 year old sophomore player himself but we talking about Hawkins being young? He was getting benched for speedy Claxton in plenty of key moments. That spurs team was Tim Duncan and a bunch of names.

David Robinson out there giving you five points a game for an entire series versus the defending champions. David had 14 points in game one and then 14 points for the entire rest of the series. That is not David Robinson. That

[AussieSteve]

Indeed: he was physically better in Phily than in Phoenix. But...in the Suns he was a smarter player in the post and all. Sadly that laste only 4 years and many people only know the Houston Barkley which is not close to prime or peak Sir Charles.

Barkley hurt his back in early 1994 and was not the same player on a consistent basis afterwards.

There was two phases to Barkley's time in Phoenix. Pre back injury and post back injury.

Pre injury he averaged 25.3 / 12.2 / 5.1 / 1.7 / 0.9 and led the suns to an 83-21 record. This Barkley had the smarts you're talking about as well as most of his Philly athleticism. During this time, he still was the best player in the world not name michael jordan.

Post back injury, he showed that he still had it at times.. (33ppg over first 5 games of 94 POs, 47 point game in 95 POs etc.) But he couldn't sustain it, having more frequent off nights and fading before getting too deep into the playoffs. He spent half times getting pain killing injections in the WCSFs in 94 and 95.

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Barkley hurt his back in early 1994 and was not the same player on a consistent basis afterwards.

There was two phases to Barkley's time in Phoenix. Pre back injury and post back injury.

Pre injury he averaged 25.3 / 12.2 / 5.1 / 1.7 / 0.9 and led the suns to an 83-21 record. This Barkley had the smarts you're talking about as well as most of his Philly athleticism. During this time, he still was the best player in the world not name michael jordan.

Post back injury, he showed that he still had it at times.. (33ppg over first 5 games of 94 POs, 47 point game in 95 POs etc.) But he couldn't sustain it, having more frequent off nights and fading before getting too deep into the playoffs. He spent half times getting pain killing injections in the WCSFs in 94 and 95.

True he one said that his punishing style of play some day would take its tole on his body. Free injury Sir Charles was something amazing to watch.