To everyone who wants gun control, please leave.

[warriorfan]

I love the freedom to walk down the street not worrying if some random dude has a gun beneath his jacket.

Thanks for letting everyone know that you are a coward. You can leave this thread now and worry about your own irrelevant European shit hole. We don

[warriorfan]

I live in NYC so I don't get why people need guns. Is there a reason why people who are pro guns need it so bad? Is it because they live far in the woods alone and want to defend themselves?

I think it's a huge insecurity to carry a weapon everywhere or under your pillow. I get wanting to protect yourself and family but if someone breaks in your house in a state like Florida I'm sure they know what they're in for.

Are crimes by robbery less likely to happen?

Don

[warriorfan]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=thVhVjn59mg

Very similar situation but now there is 3 home invaders...but the Woman has a gun...




Who needs guns doe? Right? :confusedshrug:

[Hawker]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=thVhVjn59mg

Very similar situation but now there is 3 home invaders...but the Woman has a gun...




Who needs guns doe? Right? :confusedshrug:

Damn.

I will say that sleeping with a handgun in your hand seems irresponsible. :lol

[Hawker]

I love the freedom to walk down the street not worrying if some random dude has a gun beneath his jacket.

Do you go around worrying about knives, muggings, being jumped etc. in general?

If not, than having guns wouldn't all of a sudden make it more dangerous.

[Cleverness]

I'll just leave this here...

https://i.postimg.cc/MGPhmGTT/heather-lewis-tv.jpg

[highwhey]

Do you go around worrying about knives, muggings, being jumped etc. in general?

If not, than having guns wouldn't all of a sudden make it more dangerous.
no lie, every weekend in midland/odessa, there was a stabbing at some random bar.

i turned on the radio monday morning and it was guaranteed there was a report "saturday night, at a midland bar, a patreon was stabbed. authorities are searching for the suspect."

that probably has to do with the high drug usage tho. :lol

[qrich]

I'll just leave this here...

https://i.postimg.cc/MGPhmGTT/heather-lewis-tv.jpg

..

[Hawker]

I'll just leave this here...

https://i.postimg.cc/MGPhmGTT/heather-lewis-tv.jpg

But how did the police determine the difference between the real shooter and the one with the CHL??????????????????????????????????????????

[Hawker]

no lie, every weekend in midland/odessa, there was a stabbing at some random bar.

i turned on the radio monday morning and it was guaranteed there was a report "saturday night, at a midland bar, a patreon was stabbed. authorities are searching for the suspect."

that probably has to do with the high drug usage tho. :lol

Exactly what I'm talking about - some areas are just ****ing violent and you know to avoid them.

Not surprised about that area. Sorry you had to live there but you needed the money so it made sense.

[MaxFly]

I think a lot to do with it would have to be where each mass shooting took place and the concentration of people. There's no control for that in the data.

Access to semi-automatic weapons makes killing more people in a large area much more effective and attractive to these individuals. If your goal is to kill as many people as you can before you are stopped or forced to flee, you're less likely to opt for a handgun in a crowded area than a weapon that can inflict much more damage much more quickly. More people may die in these shootings when automatic weapons are available not just because those shooters coincidentally find themselves in more populated areas, but likely because they choose those areas due to the weapons they find available.

[Prometheus]

Access to semi-automatic weapons makes killing more people in a large area much more effective and attractive to these individuals. If your goal is to kill as many people as you can before you are stopped or forced to flee, you're less likely to opt for a handgun in a crowded area than a weapon that can inflict much more damage much more quickly. More people may die in these shootings when automatic weapons are available not just because those shooters coincidentally find themselves in more populated areas, but likely because they choose those areas due to the weapons they find available.

You realize any non-revolving handgun is also a semi-automatic weapon?

[superduper]

Overdrive made a REALLY good point that everybody is ignoring.

Everyone saying "just because one nut with a gun killed people why should my gun be taken away!?!" please answer, how is that NOT the same thing as a drunk driver killing somebody then everybody saying "just because one nut killed someone while drunk driving why should I not be able to drive drunk!?!"

Please somebody explain to me what is the difference between the two.

[Shogon]

You realize any non-revolving handgun is also a semi-automatic weapon?

He probably doesn't. Dude's out here acting like these are the only options...

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CarefulKindlyKentrosaurus-max-1mb.gif

or

https://media1.tenor.com/images/f1e2d7b3af846afd1ab03fe5c91ac9a9/tenor.gif

[rufuspaul]

Access to semi-automatic weapons makes killing more people in a large area much more effective and attractive to these individuals. If your goal is to kill as many people as you can before you are stopped or forced to flee, you're less likely to opt for a handgun in a crowded area than a weapon that can inflict much more damage much more quickly. More people may die in these shootings when automatic weapons are available not just because those shooters coincidentally find themselves in more populated areas, but likely because they choose those areas due to the weapons they find available.


Trying to reason with pro-gun people is impossible. They always come back to:

2nd Amendment
Tyranical government. :wtf:
Protection: always pointing out an isolated incident where a concealed carry person helped out. (this is extremely rare btw)
Mental Health: The crazies need to be cured so mass shootings will stop. Just how to do that? Uh, don't know.
Video games. :biggums:
It's not the guns, it's the people. :facepalm

It is the guns. That's the biggest single factor that separates the US from every other 1st world country. It's the single biggest reason we are the only 1st world country that has multiple mass shootings every year.

But like I said these people, and there are a lot of them, will never see the forest for the trees. They're like climate change deniers who will hold their ground until their house is under water and then still say it isn't true.

[warriorfan]

Overdrive made a REALLY good point that everybody is ignoring.

Everyone saying "just because one nut with a gun killed people why should my gun be taken away!?!" please answer, how is that NOT the same thing as a drunk driver killing somebody then everybody saying "just because one nut killed someone while drunk driving why should I not be able to drive drunk!?!"

Please somebody explain to me what is the difference between the two.

Dude. That isn’t the same thing at all. It’s more like just because someone got killed by a drunk driver...do you ban all alcohol consumption?

No one really needs alcohol (I mean look at our boy Smoke). Some people actually need guns.

[superduper]

Dude. That isn’t the same thing at all. It’s more like just because someone got killed by a drunk driver...do you ban all alcohol consumption?

No one really needs alcohol (I mean look at our boy Smoke). Some people actually need guns.

Out of all first world countries in the world why do only US citizens need guns?

[warriorfan]

Trying to reason with pro-gun people is impossible. They always come back to:

2nd Amendment
Tyranical government. :wtf:
Protection: always pointing out an isolated incident where a concealed carry person helped out. (this is extremely rare btw)
Mental Health: The crazies need to be cured so mass shootings will stop. Just how to do that? Uh, don't know.
Video games. :biggums:
It's not the guns, it's the people. :facepalm

It is the guns. That's the biggest single factor that separates the US from every other 1st world country. It's the single biggest reason we are the only 1st world country that has multiple mass shootings every year.

But like I said these people, and there are a lot of them, will never see the forest for the trees. They're like climate change deniers who will hold their ground until their house is under water and then still say it isn't true.

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Don

[diamenz]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/f1e2d7b3af846afd1ab03fe5c91ac9a9/tenor.gif

"that's a damn mini-gun"!

[warriorfan]

Out of all first world countries in the world why do only US citizens need guns?

Look at the video I posted above...

.

[superduper]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Look at the video I posted above...

.

[warriorfan]

And thank god for that because we are still alive out here.

I've lived my whole life in an area in Toronto that was at a time unsafe, dangerous, had gang presence, etc. The area had this reputation that other areas knew of. After high school when I would meet people and tell them I'm from there everyone would be taken a back slightly or double take at my response and be like "really? :eek:"

You know what helped my area? When a new police station was put in place. Since then I have never felt more safe in my area. The whole energy and vibe in the area is noticably more safer than it was back then.

So yeah thank god we don't have legal guns (and I don't even believe in god).

So you lucked out and nothing happened to you. Great.

Guess what? I’ve lived in America my whole life and never been in a Mass Shooting? So Dies that mean we don’t need gun control?

Just because you never needed something doesn’t mean others don’t

Gun control people literally have zero empathy. Stuck in a me me me me mindset.

[Norcaliblunt]

Guns are just like any other industry, all the manufacturers want is your money. And in this industry violence is good for business.

[rufuspaul]

Your emotional and irrational fear of mass shootings is subverting your judgement.


:roll:


You're so ****ing stupid. :facepalm Yeah, fearing mass shootings is irrational. :wtf:

Yeah, it's unlikely the plane I'm on is gonna crash so we don't need any safety regulations. :rolleyes:

[Shogon]

:roll:


You're so ****ing stupid. :facepalm Yeah, fearing mass shootings is irrational. :wtf:

Yeah, it's unlikely the plane I'm on is gonna crash so we don't need any safety regulations. :rolleyes:

Actually it is irrational, given the probability.

You have a significantly higher chance of dying while driving somewhere than being taken out by a mass shooter.

That is the very definition of irrational.

The fact that your ape brain doesn’t understand this is literally the entire crux of the situation surrounding these debates.

You call him stupid yet you’re completely and utterly out of touch with reality. You’re not alone though... low IQ.

[Prometheus]

I'm looking into buying my first firearm.

Any suggestions? I'm leaning more toward a semi-auto, but I'm open to suggestions and ideas.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Yeah, well I'ma gat totin' pistol holdin'
N**** on yo damn street
Stompin' jumpin' bumpin'
And we krunck off in this damn thing
Throwin' dem bows up at deez hoes
They screamin' they bleedin' from they nose
But we start to swing we makin' n****s hit the flo'
Ain't no game off in this thang
We be deep off yo party
Crime mob n****s gettin started
And we n****s be the hardest
So if a n**** come and run his mouth just like ho
Punch 'em dead up in his nose
And stomp his a** down to the flo'

Yeah we knuckin' and buckin' and ready to fight
I betcha I'm'a throw dem thangs
So haters best to think twice
See me I ain't nothin nice
And crime mob it ain't no stoppin'
It be like Sadaam Husein, Hitler, and Osama Bin Laden
Now they steady gun poppin'
And I am actin' a fool
I wish a hater would get crunk up on this crime mob crew
Now enough is enough boy
Rough and stuck boy
Knuck is a must boy
Knuck if buck boy

[Kblaze8855]

[QUOTE=Shogon]Actually it is irrational, given the probability.

You have a significantly higher chance of dying while driving somewhere than being taken out by a mass shooter.

That is the very definition of irrational.

The fact that your ape brain doesn

[Shogon]

How much more likely are you to die in a car accident than a terrorist attack?

That mean that on 9/11 people shouldnt have been in such an uproar?

Is islamic terrorism really making an impact on america relative to car accidents?

If not....do we need to ever bring it up again?

First, the amount of danger to Americans as a result of those terror attacks is extremely disproportionate to the amount of media coverage it received, on a danger scale basis.

Furthermore, to compare a series of lone nuts to a Jewish state orchestrated attack... well... I find that funny. However, again, on a reactionary scale, our response was extremely disproportionate.

Lastly, you are a feminist.

What’s your point?

We shouldn’t be talking about and lingering on the topic of 9/11 in the sense that we are constantly in danger, that’s correct.

[RRR3]

[QUOTE=Shogon]First, the amount of danger to Americans as a result of those terror attacks is extremely disproportionate to the amount of media coverage it received, on a danger scale basis.

Furthermore, to compare a series of lone nuts to a Jewish state orchestrated attack... well... I find that funny. However, again, on a reactionary scale, our response was extremely disproportionate.

Lastly, you are a feminist.

What

[Shogon]

I

[egokiller]

How much more likely are you to die in a car accident than a terrorist attack?

That mean that on 9/11 people shouldnt have been in such an uproar?

Is islamic terrorism really making an impact on america relative to car accidents?

If not....do we need to ever bring it up again?

Accidents are exactly that. Accidents.
Islamic terrorism is a choice.

I cover this in my How to Be Good at Life and Understand it 101 Class.

[warriorfan]

How much more likely are you to die in a car accident than a terrorist attack?

That mean that on 9/11 people shouldnt have been in such an uproar?

Is islamic terrorism really making an impact on america relative to car accidents?

If not....do we need to ever bring it up again?

YES

Where have you been for 20 years? It

[warriorfan]

I'm looking into buying my first firearm.

Any suggestions? I'm leaning more toward a semi-auto, but I'm open to suggestions and ideas.

What will you use it for? A smaller 9mm would probably be good. Pretty simple and easy to learn on. You could end up carrying it if you needed. It

[Prometheus]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]What will you use it for? A smaller 9mm would probably be good. Pretty simple and easy to learn on. You could end up carrying it if you needed. It

[warriorfan]

Killing people.

:lol

A cheap .22 you don

[MMM]

And thank god for that because we are still alive out here.

I've lived my whole life in an area in Toronto that was at a time unsafe, dangerous, had gang presence, etc. The area had this reputation that other areas knew of. After high school when I would meet people and tell them I'm from there everyone would be taken a back slightly or double take at my response and be like "really? :eek:"

You know what helped my area? When a new police station was put in place. Since then I have never felt more safe in my area. The whole energy and vibe in the area is noticably more safer than it was back then.

So yeah thank god we don't have legal guns (and I don't even believe in god).

U from jamestown :wtf:

[superduper]

U from jamestown :wtf:

Yeah close by lol

[MMM]

Yeah close by lol

Ok ok I grew up in Rx for a few years, so it sounded familar

[Hawker]

And thank god for that because we are still alive out here.

I've lived my whole life in an area in Toronto that was at a time unsafe, dangerous, had gang presence, etc. The area had this reputation that other areas knew of. After high school when I would meet people and tell them I'm from there everyone would be taken a back slightly or double take at my response and be like "really? :eek:"

You know what helped my area? When a new police station was put in place. Since then I have never felt more safe in my area. The whole energy and vibe in the area is noticably more safer than it was back then.

So yeah thank god we don't have legal guns (and I don't even believe in god).

Good luck proposing more cops in similar areas in the US. That won

[qrich]

Out of all first world countries in the world why do only US citizens need guns?

And even if they don't need it, what the **** makes you think you have the right to tell someone else what they can or can't do?



Protection: always pointing out an isolated incident where a concealed carry person helped out. (this is extremely rare btw)


Ironical.


And thank god for that because we are still alive out here.

I've lived my whole life in an area in Toronto that was at a time unsafe, dangerous, had gang presence, etc. The area had this reputation that other areas knew of. After high school when I would meet people and tell them I'm from there everyone would be taken a back slightly or double take at my response and be like "really? :eek:"

You know what helped my area? When a new police station was put in place. Since then I have never felt more safe in my area. The whole energy and vibe in the area is noticably more safer than it was back then.

So yeah thank god we don't have legal guns (and I don't even believe in god).

Well, good for you.

However, in the US, cops aren't required to protect nor are they required to serve. They can literally refuse a call if they wanted to.

[MaxFly]

But how did the police determine the difference between the real shooter and the one with the CHL??????????????????????????????????????????

Right? They often struggle to quickly draw a distinction between the actual shooter and a good guy with a gun. Maybe in addition to advocating for teachers, camp counselors and pastors to walk around packing, we also focus on training police to better distinguish who is a shooter and who isn't in these high stress situations. Novel idea, I know. :confusedshrug:

https://i.ibb.co/ZTFQLPH/goodguy1.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/bvyQ355/goodguy2.jpg


https://jonesbrownlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/bradford.png

A black man killed by an Alabama police officer at a shopping mall on Thanksgiving Day was struck three times in the back side of his body, his family's lawyer said Monday.

One of the bullets entered the rear of Emantic Fitzgerald Bradford Jr.'s skull, according to attorney Ben Crump, who released the results of an autopsy performed by a forensic pathologist.

Crump said during the press conference that the autopsy shows that the 21-year-old Bradford was "running away from" the officer when he was fatally shot.

Bradford was killed after a gunman had wounded two people at the mall. Hoover cops had initially said that Bradford was that gunman, but later said that was "unlikely." Bradford was carrying a legally-owned firearm.

A suspect believed to be responsible for shooting the two people was taken into custody on Nov. 29, one week after Bradford was killed.

[MaxFly]

You realize any non-revolving handgun is also a semi-automatic weapon?

Yeah, the previous ban specified that not all semi-automatic weapons saw restrictions, but rather only those that were defined as assault weapons with large capacity magazines. Few people are really talking about handguns.

[qrich]

I'm still waiting to hear what an "assault weapon" is

[MaxFly]

Trying to reason with pro-gun people is impossible. They always come back to:

2nd Amendment
Tyranical government. :wtf:
Protection: always pointing out an isolated incident where a concealed carry person helped out. (this is extremely rare btw)

And here's the thing... I have no issue with people owning guns and carrying them around freely. I simply want to make sure that we take every measure to keep guns (especially high capacity weapons) out of the hands of those who are unstable, violent and dangerous. It's amazing to hear the same people who ride hard for voter ID balk at licensing and extensive background checks for guns.

[MaxFly]

I'm still waiting to hear what an "assault weapon" is

It's addressed in the prior assault weapons ban. Aren't you familiar with the legislation?

Here, let me help you with the definition: See, easy. (https://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+an+assault+weapon&s=b&t=w)

[qrich]

It's addressed in the prior assault weapons ban. Aren't you familiar with the legislation?

Here, let me help you with the definition: See, easy. (https://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+an+assault+weapon&s=b&t=w)


:yawn

So you can't do it? Cool.

I also love how it "varies."

[MaxFly]

:yawn

So you can't do it? Cool.

I also love how it "varies."

:yawn

So you can't educate yourself? Cool.

I also love how you need others to do "things you should be able to do for yourself."

:confusedshrug:

[qrich]

:yawn

So you can't educate yourself? Cool.

I also love how you need others to do "things you should be able to do for yourself."

:confusedshrug:

Well, a knife was just used to kill four people, and in parts of our planet, you can't carry them.

Therefore, knives fall under assaultl weapons

[Dr Seuss]

This high IQ guy agrees with you

https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Heavy-police-presence-at-Walmart-Neighborhood-Market-in-south-Springfield-528602951.html

[warriorfan]

Right? They often struggle to quickly draw a distinction between the actual shooter and a good guy with a gun. Maybe in addition to advocating for teachers, camp counselors and pastors to walk around packing, we also focus on training police to better distinguish who is a shooter and who isn't in these high stress situations. Novel idea, I know. :confusedshrug:

https://i.ibb.co/ZTFQLPH/goodguy1.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/bvyQ355/goodguy2.jpg

Run the numbers on self defense incidents where a gun was successfully used and then the numbers of how many people died in mass shootings. Get back to me with your results.

[MaxFly]

Run the numbers on self defense incidents where a gun was successfully used and then the numbers of how many people died in mass shootings. Get back to me with your results.

How many people used AR-15s and AK 47s in self defense? Why is there so much opposition to making sure that police officers are better trained in active shooter situations and don't conflate heroes who are trying to protect others with shooters? Once you understand my argument, get back to me.

[qrich]

How many people used AR-15s and AK 47s in self defense? Why is there so much opposition to making sure that police officers are better trained in active shooter situations and don't conflate heroes who are trying to protect others with shooters? Once you understand my argument, get back to me.

You mean the same police officers who have no obligation to protect you?

The same police officers that take 90 minutes to respond to an active home invasion in a city where cops are frequently parked at QT, just sitting there idly for hours

[MaxFly]

Well, a knife was just used to kill four people, and in parts of our planet, you can't carry them.

Therefore, knives fall under assaultl weapons

Is that what the prior US federal legislation says. Is that how it's defined in the US... as a knife? You asked a question, I provided you with the resource. Tell the class how the legislation defined "assault weapon."

Oh, by the way... a disturbed individual took a knife to a bunch of 3-8 year olds a couple of years ago. He injured quite a few I believe, but the damage was limited due to the limited nature of his weapon. Do you think he would have been able to kill more people with an AR-15, or if his prior criminal record hadn't prevented him from buying guns? It seems that background checks help. Why do you oppose making sure that there are no loopholes in the background check process?

[qrich]

Is that what the prior US federal legislation says. Is that how it's defined in the US... as a knife? You asked a question, I provided you with the resource. Tell the class how the legislation defined "assault weapon."

Oh, by the way... a disturbed individual took a knife to a bunch of 3-8 year olds a couple of years ago. He injured quite a few I believe, but the damage was limited due to the limited nature of his weapon. Do you think he would have been able to kill more people with an AR-15, or if his prior criminal record hadn't prevented him from buying guns? It seems that background checks help. Why do you oppose making sure that there are no loopholes in the background check process?

I'm asking you what it is, which you refuse to answer.

A disturbed individual just killed 4 people in a knife spree...#CommoSenseKnifeLaws are needed

[MaxFly]

You mean the same police officers who have no obligation to protect you?

The same police officers that take 90 minutes to respond to an active home invasion in a city where cops are frequently parked at QT, just sitting there idly for hours

You don't seem to understand the Supreme Court ruling on the issue, so I'll pose a simple question to help. Do police departments and officers have a responsibility to respond to an active shooter situation where the public at large is in danger... say a mall or movie theater?

Would it be important to make sure that the officers who respond to such a situation be well trained as to how to quickly identify those who may be trying to protect others with their personal weapons? If we're going to prioritize the advocacy for teachers and pastors to have guns to protect people they teach or to whom they minister, why not prioritize that police be well trained so that those teachers and pastors don't die while protecting people when the police eventually show up?

[MaxFly]

I'm asking you what it is, which you refuse to answer.


I provided you with a resource so that you can get a comprehensive understanding of exactly what the legislation outlines. Why are you having difficulty? Do you need more hand-holding?

[qrich]

You don't seem to understand the Supreme Court ruling on the issue, so I'll pose a simple question to help. Do police departments and officers have a responsibility to respond to an active shooter situation where the public at large is in danger... say a mall or movie theater?

Would it be important to make sure that the officers who respond to such a situation be well trained as to how to quickly identify those who may be trying to protect others with their personal weapons? If we're going to prioritize the advocacy for teachers and pastors to have guns to protect people they teach or to whom they minister, why not prioritize that police be well trained so that those teachers and pastors don't die while protecting people when the police eventually show up?

We saw how a SRO responded to such a situation, along with others.


I provided you with a resource so that you can get a comprehensive understanding of exactly what the legislation outlines. Why are you having difficulty? Do you need more hand-holding?

Again, I'm asking you your opinion.

But I'm glad we are in agreement we also need #CommonSenseKnifeLaws

[warriorfan]

How many people used AR-15s and AK 47s in self defense? Why is there so much opposition to making sure that police officers are better trained in active shooter situations and don't conflate heroes who are trying to protect others with shooters? Once you understand my argument, get back to me.

More people than those who use them for mass shootings...

[greymatter]

90% of the country wants restrictions on ownership. No psychos. No ex-cons guilty of armed assault/robbery. No 30 round magazines. None of these are unreasonable demands.

OP is the typical dumbshit whom the NRA wishes they could clone.

[MaxFly]

More people than those who use them for mass shootings...

I'd love to see those stats. Post that link.

[MaxFly]

We saw how a SRO responded to such a situation, along with others.

So what do you think would have happened if the police in say... Newtown, had decided not to respond to the Sandy Hook shooting?

[QUOTE]Again, I'm asking you your opinion.

It's not an opinion... it's something that was codified in law. Are you asking if I agreed with the law as it was written and implemented?

[warriorfan]

I'd love to see those stats. Post that link.

I don

[qrich]

So what do you think would have happened if the police in say... Newtown, had decided not to respond to the Sandy Hook shooting?

What does that have to do with the fact that cops have no obligation to protect you?

There's plenty of examples were LE doesn't show up on time, or doesn't do anything.

Plus, don't Democrats continually argue that cops are horrible?


It's not an opinion... it's something that was codified in law. Are you asking if I agreed with the law as it was written and implemented?

I'm asking your opinion on what an assault weapon is. Nothing more, nothing less.

But you can't answer that....