Joe Rogan Experience - Bernie Sanders

[ScalsFan21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O-iLk1G_ng

:bowdown:

[CelticBaller]

bout to listen to it right now

[Hawker]

This is awesome - I'm definitely going to listen.

Mainstream media outlets furious right now.

[Prometheus]

Jake Tapper in shambles

[Vino24]

Joe Rogan getting all the big names :eek:

[Shogon]

Watched it... interview summary... "more government, more government, more government, less government for marijuana, more government, more government."

[Prometheus]

Watched it... interview summary... "more government, more government, more government, less government for marijuana, more government, more government."

No you didn't.

[tpols]

Watched it... interview summary... "more government, more government, more government, less government for marijuana, more government, more government."



We do need more government...

unbridled capitalism and its lobbying have destroyed this country.

theyre the reason behind the ongoing economic collapse (s) and only way to reign them in is competent gubmint.

[Shogon]

No you didn't.

Yes, yes I did. That's exactly what he said. I watched the whole thing, lmao.

It really wasn't a traditional Joe Rogan interview... it was more so a platform for Bernie to speak almost uninterrupted for slightly over an hour.

[Shogon]

We do need more government...

unbridled capitalism and its lobbying have destroyed this country.

theyre the reason behind the ongoing economic collapse (s) and only way to reign them in is competent gubmint.

Every single model government becomes corrupt. All of them.

Capitalism is fine.

Big government is not fine.

Couple things to add... the run up that caused the housing crisis was a result of government. And when it finally imploded, the government bailed those people out.

Capitalism didn't fail. Government did.

[tpols]

Every single model government becomes corrupt. All of them.

Capitalism is fine.

Big government is not fine.


***.

[Shogon]

***.

NO U.

[CelticBaller]

We do need more government...

unbridled capitalism and its lobbying have destroyed this country.

theyre the reason behind the ongoing economic collapse (s) and only way to reign them in is competent gubmint.
**** that

more government= less freedom

[tpols]

**** that

more government= less freedom


youre retarded tho

[CelticBaller]

*you're

[Prometheus]

Every single model government becomes corrupt. All of them.

Capitalism is fine.

Big government is not fine.

Couple things to add... the run up that caused the housing crisis was a result of government. And when it finally imploded, the government bailed those people out.

Capitalism didn't fail. Government did.

I don't expect you to tell us what you actually do for a living, but I'm willing to bet that you work for a large corporation and make a lot of money, personally.

Good for you.

[Shogon]

I don't expect you to tell us what you actually do for a living, but I'm willing to bet that you work for a large corporation and make a lot of money, personally.

Good for you.

Wrong on both counts. I do not chase money. Not that I couldn't if I were so inclined. Zero desire to do that.

Also, large corporations... not all of them, but most of them tend to bleed your soul. Been there, done that. No thanks.

[Shogon]

Capitalism is perfectly fine because life isn't fair and no amount of government meddling will ever change that fact.

All governments become corrupt.

The biggest problem with the U.S. is that even most of our poor are fat and happy and so we allow politicians and corporations to do whatever they want. That's not capitalism failing. It's us failing.

[Celtics 1825]

Joe Rogan getting all the big names :eek:
I'm still wondering when the hell is the Kanye episode happening

[LAmbruh]

Wow another landslive victorty


Libs stay racking up W's this week


Crazy

[Prometheus]

Capitalism is perfectly fine because life isn't fair and no amount of government meddling will ever change that fact.

All governments become corrupt.

The biggest problem with the U.S. is that even most of our poor are fat and happy and so we allow politicians and corporations to do whatever they want.

No.

The reason we let politicians and corporations do whatever they (really just the corporations) want is because they own our major news outlets, and the vast majority of our people are too stupid to realize it. Our friends and family mistake outright propaganda for actual journalism.

The income inequality in our nation dwarfs that of every other developed country. Every policy change that is made benefits the richest of the rich, and public opinion on issues is a literal non-factor in terms of our legislation.

We are a puppet state for profit-prisons, big pharma, big oil, and weapons manufacturers. And you're a supposedly high IQ person out here talking about capitalism is fine. You're a tool.

[Im so nba'd out]

Something is off with that Joe Rogan guy.I get a weird feeling that he's in to fking trannies or he's a murderer or something....cant explain it

Thats a weird dude

[1987_Lakers]

Something is off with that Joe Rogan guy.I get a weird feeling that he's in to fking trannies or he's a murderer or something....cant explain it

Thats a weird dude

lol, wtf.

[Shogon]

No.

The reason we let politicians and corporations do whatever they (really just the corporations) want is because they own our major news outlets, and the vast majority of our people are too stupid to realize it. Our friends and family mistake outright propaganda for actual journalism.

The income inequality in our nation dwarfs that of every other developed country. Every policy change that is made benefits the richest of the rich, and public opinion on issues is a literal non-factor in terms of our legislation.

We are a puppet state for profit-prisons, big pharma, big oil, and weapons manufacturers. And you're a supposedly high IQ person out here talking about capitalism is fine. You're a tool.

Most people are too stupid, that’s true. But the people that are aware are too fat and happy.

Capitalism isn’t perfect but it’s the best we’ve got.

Name one type of government that doesn’t end up corrupt. I’ll wait.

You think Kobe is better than LeBron and you dare bring up IQ to me? Pathetic. “LOL THE MEDIA FOOLED YOU INTO THINKING LEBRON IS BETTER HAHA DUMBO!!” Riiight.

[CelticBaller]

I don't expect you to tell us what you actually do for a living, but I'm willing to bet that you work for a large corporation and make a lot of money, personally.

Good for you.
Yeah **** him for working his ass off and not living off the government :applause:

[Loco 50]

No.

The reason we let politicians and corporations do whatever they (really just the corporations) want is because they own our major news outlets, and the vast majority of our people are too stupid to realize it. Our friends and family mistake outright propaganda for actual journalism.

The income inequality in our nation dwarfs that of every other developed country. Every policy change that is made benefits the richest of the rich, and public opinion on issues is a literal non-factor in terms of our legislation.

We are a puppet state for profit-prisons, big pharma, big oil, and weapons manufacturers. And you're a supposedly high IQ person out here talking about capitalism is fine. You're a tool.
God bless, you're a quick student for someone that professes to not have paid much attention throughout his life.

Now, the real challenge. How do you teach the yokels that they are being snookered?

[coin24]

Same thing happened last time, Bernie looks like the man for the job, his own party will fu*k him over :lol :facepalm

[warriorfan]

God bless, you're a quick student for someone that professes to not have paid much attention throughout his life.

Now, the real challenge. How do you teach the yokels that they are being snookered?

No, the real challenge is figuring out what to do after you convince everyone that they are being juiced...Because voting in our two party system isn

[dude77]

bernie got cucked by two fat bitches .. sorry go home buddy .. he'd probably give to every blm demand .. luckily he has no shot



https://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/424ece282d8b4c138028a64b97b315b2-1020x583.jpg

[Loco 50]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]No, the real challenge is figuring out what to do after you convince everyone that they are being juiced...Because voting in our two party system isn

[Prometheus]

Most people are too stupid, that’s true. But the people that are aware are too fat and happy.

They are too fat, yes. Consider that a win for the healthcare industry.

If they were too happy, would we really have 50 million+ people on psychiatric drugs?

Another win for healthcare companies.



Capitalism isn’t perfect but it’s the best we’ve got.


Well... capitalism is better than communism. That I can agree with... easily. But capitalism and socialism are not antonyms. We are already living in a nation that is both capitalist and socialist. These are not mutually exclusive terms. No sensible person is talking about eradicating capitalism... but you have to be virtually blind to think it doesn't need its checks and balances.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, and believe that this point is a semantic misunderstanding.



Name one type of government that doesn’t end up corrupt. I’ll wait.


I don't think I can do that. Corruption is not something that exists (or doesn't) in absolute terms. To different extents, it exists in any government... at least any government which at least attempts to present itself as democracy (after all, there is no corruption in a fascist state, or an autocracy, since they generate no illusions of serving the interests of the people, and there is nothing to 'corrupt').

What I can do... easily... is rattle off the names of a few nations which are less corrupt than ours... inarguably so...

Iceland, Norway, France, the UK, Australia, Germany, New Zealand, Canada...

:confusedshrug:



You think Kobe is better than LeBron and you dare bring up IQ to me? Pathetic. “LOL THE MEDIA FOOLED YOU INTO THINKING LEBRON IS BETTER HAHA DUMBO!!” Riiight.

I think the fact that you would even think to use the Kobe/LeBron debate in this context says a lot more about IQ than does my position within that debate.

[Loco 50]

They are too fat, yes. Consider that a win for the healthcare industry.

If they were too happy, would we really have 50 million+ people on psychiatric drugs?

Another win for healthcare companies.



Well... capitalism is better than communism. That I can agree with... easily. But capitalism and socialism are not antonyms. We are already living in a nation that is both capitalist and socialist. These are not mutually exclusive terms. No sensible person is talking about eradicating capitalism... but you have to be virtually blind to think it doesn't need its checks and balances.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, and believe that this point is a semantic misunderstanding.



I don't think I can do that. Corruption is not something that exists (or doesn't) in absolute terms. To different extents, it exists in any government... at least any government which at least attempts to present itself as democracy (after all, there is no corruption in a fascist state, or an autocracy, since they generate no illusions of serving the interests of the people, and there is nothing to 'corrupt').

What I can do... easily... is rattle off the names of a few nations which are less corrupt than ours... inarguably so...

Iceland, Norway, France, the UK, Australia, Germany, New Zealand, Canada...

:confusedshrug:



I think the fact that you would even think to use the Kobe/LeBron debate in this context says a lot more about IQ than does my position within that debate.
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:applause: Knew you were a smart guy. You especially nailed some of the problems with healthcare to a f'n tee. You give me hope, sir.

[Shogon]

I think the fact that you would even think to use the Kobe/LeBron debate in this context says a lot more about IQ than does my position within that debate.

Low IQ.

[Prometheus]

Low IQ.

***.

[Shogon]

***.

https://meme.xyz/uploads/posts/t/l-4593-no-u-the-card-game-that-will-ruin-your-friendship.jpg

[Prometheus]

:hammertime:

[diamenz]

sanders' biggest flaw is that he lacks the ability to explain himself well. he just sounds like the same, tired old screaming man from 2016. warren on the other hand is great at painting that same picture, and putting things into a perspective that anyone can understand and relate to... and that's pretty big when you're speaking to low information voters (most of america).

sanders' and warren's policies and ideologies obviously revolve entirely around wealth redistribution. taxing the super rich (a little) harder, and redistributing that wealth to the lower and middle class through things like health care, free public college, etc. as well as taking on the drug and insurance companies' greed. so how radical is that really? is that indeed socialism? how many of u here r a part of the 1%, and if (since) you're not, what gets u up in arms about it? because it's not 'american'?

sanders and warren are essentially the new dealers of the modern era. even seventy years ago, i don't think he would have been seen as the radical guy from mars that everyone makes him out to be. people are just too stubborn, caught in their tribalism, or set in their ways to look outside of their bubble and say, 'why not give it a shot'?

this country has been on it's way out for a while now imo.

"Look back over the past, with its changing empires that rose and fell, and you can foresee the future, too."

-Marcus Aurelius

[CelticBaller]

sanders' biggest flaw is that he lacks the ability to explain himself well. he just sounds like the same, tired old screaming man from 2016. warren on the other hand is great at painting that same picture, and putting things into a perspective that anyone can understand and relate to... and that's pretty big when you're speaking to low information voters (most of america).

sanders' and warren's policies and ideologies obviously revolve entirely around wealth redistribution. taxing the super rich (a little) harder, and redistributing that wealth to the lower and middle class through things like health care, free public college, etc. as well as taking on the drug and insurance companies' greed. so how radical is that really? is that indeed socialism? how many of u here r a part of the 1%, and if (since) you're not, what gets u up in arms about it? because it's not 'american'?

sanders and warren are essentially the new dealers of the modern era. even seventy years ago, i don't think he would have been seen as the radical guy from mars that everyone makes him out to be. people are just too stubborn, caught in their tribalism, or set in their ways to look outside of their bubble and say, 'why not give it a shot'?

this country has been on it's way out for a while now imo.

"Look back over the past, with its changing empires that rose and fell, and you can foresee the future, too."

-Marcus Aurelius

The problem is these politicians acts like they want to tax the big ultra rich companies but end up screwing the small business owners or the growing small business

[rufuspaul]

The problem is these politicians acts like they want to tax the big ultra rich companies but end up screwing the small business owners or the growing small business


This

[Prometheus]

The problem is these politicians acts like they want to tax the big ultra rich companies but end up screwing the small business owners or the growing small business

This is a generalization (or a scare tactic, if you were a shill) and has nothing to do with any policies that Bernie is fighting for.

A tax on Wall Street speculation isn't going to hurt small business owners. Forcing Amazon to pay taxes isn't going to hurt small business owners.

Universal healthcare would very obviously help small business owners.

Bernie Sanders should not be lumped in with "these politicians" without making any mention of his particular policies.

[CelticBaller]

This is a generalization (or a scare tactic, if you were a shill) and has nothing to do with any policies that Bernie is fighting for.

A tax on Wall Street speculation isn't going to hurt small business owners. Forcing Amazon to pay taxes isn't going to hurt small business owners.

Universal healthcare would very obviously help small business owners.

Bernie Sanders should not be lumped in with "these politicians" without making any mention of his particular policies.
Or maybe I heard this same shtick before and I have direct knowledge of the amount of taxes state and federal impose on these business?

I mean I am an accountant and have family who own grocery stores.

[Objectivity]

Bernie is a retrded statist who probably never had a real job in his life.

[Shogon]

The problem is these politicians acts like they want to tax the big ultra rich companies but end up screwing the small business owners or the growing small business

This is factually correct.

Not only that, but raising the minimum wage actually hurts small businesses even further and by extension, helps large corporations in the long term.

Having a minimum wage period actually completely prices truly low end people out of the market that either don't have enough skill to get a job or have no chance of getting a job because they're too dumb for a business to justify paying them minimum wage.

What about felons/criminals? (I'm talking about the reformed ones that have paid their debt to society, obviously)

Minimum wage hurts them also. Basically makes it impossible to get a job in most industries.

[Prometheus]

Or maybe I heard this same shtick before and I have direct knowledge of the amount of taxes state and federal impose on these business?

I mean I am an accountant and have family who own grocery stores.

Well I'm not an accountant. I also haven't yet made up my mind as to who is getting my vote.

Care to elaborate? What is Sanders going to do that will hurt small businesses?

[Hawker]

This is a generalization (or a scare tactic, if you were a shill) and has nothing to do with any policies that Bernie is fighting for.

A tax on Wall Street speculation isn't going to hurt small business owners. Forcing Amazon to pay taxes isn't going to hurt small business owners.

Universal healthcare would very obviously help small business owners.

Bernie Sanders should not be lumped in with "these politicians" without making any mention of his particular policies.

It would hurt a small businesses' ability to expand if those taxes are present. It disincentivizes growth and competition at a high level.

Why would a small business want to put up some capital to grow into a large business if it's going to be hit with a tax it can't afford almost immediately?

All these regulations do is have the opposite effect of what bernie retards wants - consolidation of power in big companies because they can actually afford the regulations.

Why do you think Amazon is now lobbying for a $15 min wage? Out of the good ness of their heart? No. Because they know other companies can't afford it yet they can.

Why do you think ExxonMobil agreed with the Paris Accord? Because the regulations that would've followed only large companies would've been able to afford. I can't believe the amount of retards chanting, "see even Exxon agrees with it. We should stay" when we decided to leave. Zero critical thinking skills.

[bladefd]

Every single model government becomes corrupt. All of them.

Capitalism is fine.

Big government is not fine.

Couple things to add... the run up that caused the housing crisis was a result of government. And when it finally imploded, the government bailed those people out.

Capitalism didn't fail. Government did.

Government didn't fail us and neither did capitalism. It was greed, corruption and wealthiest taking full advantage of the system from 60s-onwards. Middle-class got conned by these very thugs and bent over backwards & spanked nonstop for 5 decades. And Republican sheep like you are sitting around in 2019 defending these very thugs, who conned your granddaddy, grandmama, daddy & mommy for past 5 decades. They are still playing you, and you don't even realize it.

[Shogon]

Government didn't fail us and neither did capitalism. It was greed, corruption and wealthiest taking full advantage of the system from 60s-onwards. Middle-class got conned by these very thugs and bent over backwards & spanked nonstop for 5 decades. And Republican sheep like you are sitting around in 2019 defending these very thugs, who conned your granddaddy, grandmama, daddy & mommy for past 5 decades. They are still playing you, and you don't even realize it.

Who am I defending you dumbass? LOL.

[tpols]

thats got to be one of the dumbest arguments ive ever heard...every government becomes corrupt.. yea so do private companies.

so do PEOPLE. Each is just a coalition of them. One helps check the other.

You let either one have too much power and shit will hit the fan.

this dude obsessed with people's IQ ironically half retarded. :lol

[bladefd]

Something is off with that Joe Rogan guy.I get a weird feeling that he's in to fking trannies or he's a murderer or something....cant explain it

Thats a weird dude

He is a pothead who lost some brain cells :oldlol:

[Hawker]

thats got to be one of the dumbest arguments ive ever heard...every government becomes corrupt.. yea so do private companies.

so do PEOPLE. Each is just a coalition of them. One helps check the other.

You let either one have too much power and shit will hit the fan.

this dude obsessed with people's IQ ironically half retarded. :lol

Government will always have more power than companies. Companies never rule over people.

If every government becomes corrupt, why give it more power?

[Draz]

He is a pothead who lost some brain cells :oldlol:
I think he's used too many drugs with the combination of being on drugs for too long. There are some interviews where his guest would say something that would turn him on and he's super into what they're saying without taking much to attract him into the discussion.

For example.

Guest: Aliens may have went to the center of the earth
Him: Wait wow really.. How do you know? I mean tell me more go on

He's easy to drag into a fire.

I like his podcasts, depending on who's the guest but honestly that MMA shit is annoying. He'd ramble for over 30-60 minutes about it, do a seperate MMA podcast for that shit.

[bladefd]

Who am I defending you dumbass? LOL.

You are sitting around attacking the government and defending your Republican overlords. No, a government is but an institution. The idea of government itself is not the issue. The issue is people like you sitting around defending the very thugs who took advantage of the system. Thugs in healthcare, big pharma, military industrial complex, energy corporations, wall street thugs, collegiate institutions, banks, plenty of thugs up and down the board bought our politicians.

No, the issue is not government or capitalism but the thugs who are running amok, trampling over the very institution. The way you keep those thugs under control is through measures like Glass-Steagall Act, which separated investment banking from commercial banking. Banks were f*cking over everyone before the Great Depression, using the money people placed in them to do risky speculation for greedy purposes. Well, guess what? Glass-Steagall wasn't renewed in 90s, and we are right back to taking speculative risks and we had another massive crash in 08 (it wasn't just the housing bubble but greedy banks taking needless risks).

What's the Republican response? More tax cuts, more deregulation for the very same thugs on wall street & massive corporations who screwed us all over in 08, more funding for the military in a blank check essentially to spend/waste whatever money they want, a needless trade war with China, deficit over a trillion, on and on we go. The response is to allow those thugs to continue to trample over every ideal this country is built upon. Hell, Trump himself is one of those thugs & con-artist screwing us over and laughing his way to the bank.

[Shogon]

You are sitting around attacking the government and defending your Republican overlords. No, a government is but an institution. The idea of government itself is not the issue. The issue is people like you sitting around defending the very thugs who took advantage of the system. Thugs in healthcare, big pharma, military industrial complex, energy corporations, wall street thugs, collegiate institutions, banks, plenty of thugs up and down the board.

No, the issue is not government or capitalism but the thugs who were allowed to run amok. The way you keep those thugs under control is through measures like Glass-Steagall Act, which separated investment banking from commercial banking. Banks were f*cking over everyone before the Great Depression, using the money people placed in them to do risky speculation for greedy purposes. Well, guess what? Glass-Steagall wasn't renewed in 90s, and we are right back to taking speculative risks and we had another massive crash in 08 (it wasn't just the housing bubble but greedy banks taking needless risks).

What's the Republican response? More tax cuts, more deregulation for the very same thugs on wall street & massive corporations, more funding for the military in a blank check essentially to spend/waste whatever money they want, a needless trade war with China, deficit over a trillion, on and on we go.

Holy **** you're dumb.

[bladefd]

Holy **** you're dumb.

"Holy f*ck you're dumb"

That's your response? Is that all you are intellectually capable of?

[Shogon]

"Holy f*ck you're dumb"

That's your response? Is that all you are intellectually capable of?

Yes.

[Prometheus]

Yes.

You're a tool, but :lol

[Objectivity]

You are sitting around attacking the government and defending your Republican overlords. No, a government is but an institution. The idea of government itself is not the issue. The issue is people like you sitting around defending the very thugs who took advantage of the system. Thugs in healthcare, big pharma, military industrial complex, energy corporations, wall street thugs, collegiate institutions, banks, plenty of thugs up and down the board bought our politicians.

No, the issue is not government or capitalism but the thugs who are running amok, trampling over the very institution. The way you keep those thugs under control is through measures like Glass-Steagall Act, which separated investment banking from commercial banking. Banks were f*cking over everyone before the Great Depression, using the money people placed in them to do risky speculation for greedy purposes. Well, guess what? Glass-Steagall wasn't renewed in 90s, and we are right back to taking speculative risks and we had another massive crash in 08 (it wasn't just the housing bubble but greedy banks taking needless risks).

What's the Republican response? More tax cuts, more deregulation for the very same thugs on wall street & massive corporations who screwed us all over in 08, more funding for the military in a blank check essentially to spend/waste whatever money they want, a needless trade war with China, deficit over a trillion, on and on we go. The response is to allow those thugs to continue to trample over every ideal this country is built upon. Hell, Trump himself is one of those thugs & con-artist screwing us over and laughing his way to the bank.


ZERO understanding of economics :facepalm

[Prometheus]

ZERO understanding of economics :facepalm

:crazysam:

[bladefd]

ZERO understanding of economics :facepalm

You are free to explain yourself rather than use multiple accounts for 1-line responses that are nothing more than personal attacks. Are these your alts, patty?

[Prometheus]

You are free to explain yourself rather than use multiple accounts for 1-line responses that are nothing more than personal attacks. Are these your alts, patty?

He is just an old f@ggot who watches FOX for his information. He can't explain himself because he doesn't know. They say it's not realistic, so he believes them.

[kNIOKAS]

ZERO understanding of economics :facepalm
That's actually a great picture. What do you call "economics", by the way?

[Prometheus]

Government will always have more power than companies. Companies never rule over people.

If every government becomes corrupt, why give it more power?

Governments become corrupted... by companies.

What do you think the word "corruption" even means?

[Draz]

Almost 5 million views

[ScalsFan21]

This is on pace to be one of Rogan's 2 most watched interviews ever, maybe soon. Only about 8.5 million away.

[Shogon]

This is on pace to be one of Rogan's 2 most watched interviews ever, maybe soon. Only about 8.5 million away.

I find it improbable it passes Alex Jones let alone Elon Musk... I knew the top two before I even looked. You're saying it will pass Alex Jones... maybe... I don't think so.

[ScalsFan21]

I find it improbable it passes Alex Jones let alone Elon Musk... I knew the top two before I even looked. You're saying it will pass Alex Jones... maybe... I don't think so.

It's not a lock but it easily could. It won't hit 24M but 14M is possible. Candidates are crazy not going on independent media more.

Also looks like the shortest interview Joe's ever had, one of them at least.

[sammichoffate]

I do think some Democrat platforms are good like healthcare reform, although letting in illegals is prob the dumbest shit that they tend to stick with. I don't really hear Republicans giving a fk about the poor or middle class on anything. They'll appeal to manufacturing but that ship has long since sailed. Bernie is not a good candidate though, he has no chance against Trump.

[Prometheus]

I do think some Democrat platforms are good like healthcare reform, although letting in illegals is prob the dumbest shit that they tend to stick with. I don't really hear Republicans giving a fk about the poor or middle class on anything. They'll appeal to manufacturing but that ship has long since sailed. Bernie is not a good candidate though, he has no chance against Trump.

On what do you base this assertion?

[sammichoffate]

On what do you base this assertion?1. They blue balled him in 2016, the DNC is split badly between corporate shills like Harris and Biden, moderates, and Progressives. They dont have a solid candidate because of it.

2. Trump is easily the best option from the GOP.

3. Incumbent Presidents historically win reelection most of the time.

4. The country is doing well economically, which is usually the most important factor for a president to get reelected other than maybe foreign affairs(we're not in any major wars atm).

Just to name a few.

[Prometheus]

1. They blue balled him in 2016, the DNC is split badly between corporate shills like Harris and Biden, moderates, and Progressives. They dont have a solid candidate because of it.

This is a good argument for why he won't get the nomination in the first place, not for why he wouldn't beat Trump if he did.

2. Trump is easily the best option from the GOP.

Okay? It would be Trump vs. Bernie. Not sure what you're getting at here.

3. Incumbent Presidents historically win reelection most of the time.

This is an argument, but a weak one. Trump's approval rating has been pretty bad thus far, compared with the last several presidents. And the very fact that he got elected in the first place is a sign that we are in unprecedented times. The past is no longer a great indicator of what will come to pass now.

4. The country is doing well economically, which is usually the most important factor for a president to get reelected other than maybe foreign affairs(we're not in any major wars atm).

It's doing well for a select few.

Just to name a few.

:confusedshrug:

[sammichoffate]

:confusedshrug:That's all that matters tbh, the middle class and poor always vote against their best interests. Why do you think fossils like McConnell are still in office? I wish guys like Yang could get some of their policies implemented but it's not gonna happen till it's too late or till shit rly hits the fan. Just how politics works in this shit country.

[Prometheus]

That's all that matters tbh, the middle class and poor always vote against their best interests. Why do you think fossils like McConnell are still in office? I wish guys like Yang could get some of their policies implemented but it's not gonna happen till it's too late or till shit rly hits the fan. Just how politics works in this shit country.

Times are changing fast though.

Historically, elections have been about winning the middle.

This time, it's about getting non-voters, especially young people, to vote.

Bernie is the only candidate who would dominate Trump for this reason.

[raprap]

Long form interviews like this one help the candidates more than any tv appearance can. Although I

[sammichoffate]

Times are changing fast though.

Historically, elections have been about winning the middle.

This time, it's about getting non-voters, especially young people, to vote.

Bernie is the only candidate who would dominate Trump for this reason.They wont change completely till all the boomers die off tbh.

Yes, which is why Trump won when Clinton made her own states flip against herself.

Idk about that, it's not like all young people automatically vote Democrat. Especially with all the PC shit colleges are pushing these days. Some people just get sick of it, look at how people see the MSM these days.

[Nanners]

Government will always have more power than companies. Companies never rule over people.

If every government becomes corrupt, why give it more power?

:facepalm

Most of our laws are written by corporations or their lobbyists and think tanks, most of our government agencies are run by wealthy executives from the industry that the given agency is supposed to be regulating, upon retirement most of our lawmakers end up with highly lucrative corporate gigs in industries that benefitted from their legislation... how the **** can the government have more power than corporations when the government is run by corporations?

[Prometheus]

:facepalm

Most of our laws are written by corporations or their lobbyists and think tanks, most of our government agencies are run by wealthy executives from the industry that the given agency is supposed to be regulating, upon retirement most of our lawmakers end up with highly lucrative corporate gigs in industries that benefitted from their legislation... how the **** can the government have more power than corporations when the government is run by corporations?

:lol fr

The way Shogon and Hawker talk, it's as though corruption is like this internal phenomenon that happens to government... like the rotting of an apple, or a transmission in your car dying. As if corruption doesn't refer to being corrupted by some outside entity.

[Shogon]

:lol fr

The way Shogon and Hawker talk, it's as though corruption is like this internal phenomenon that happens to government... like the rotting of an apple, or a transmission in your car dying. As if corruption doesn't refer to being corrupted by some outside entity.

The more laws you take away and the less power you give the government, the less power these corporations have over people.

Like I said earlier in the thread...

Low IQ.

[Prometheus]

The more laws you take away and the less power you give the government, the less power these corporations have over people.

Like I said earlier in the thread...

Low IQ.

Go watch some more Ayn Rand videos, clown.

[sammichoffate]

The more laws you take away and the less power you give the government, the less power these corporations have over people.

Like I said earlier in the thread...

Low IQ.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrust_Act_of_1890
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Antitrust_Act_of_1914
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Trade_Commission_Act_of_1914
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_legislation

These were all done in response to corporations having too much power :lol

[Hawker]

:lol fr

The way Shogon and Hawker talk, it's as though corruption is like this internal phenomenon that happens to government... like the rotting of an apple, or a transmission in your car dying. As if corruption doesn't refer to being corrupted by some outside entity.

This is dumb.

So the people elected and working for the government are just innocent so gooders with not a bad bone in their body? So stupid to place no blame on those working in government.

Corporations can

[bladefd]

The more laws you take away and the less power you give the government, the less power these corporations have over people.

Like I said earlier in the thread...

Low IQ.

And if you de-power the government, corporations no longer can be held accountable by anyone. Look at India - they are a democracy and have laws/regulations, but the government is not powerful enough to enforce the laws. The result? Corporations do what the hell they want. They dump dangerous chemicals and waste whenever they want because nobody is there to enforce the laws. They buy off local politicians and local cops. That's no different than government having little or no power.

The only solution is to fight off corruption, reduce redundant agencies like Homeland security to bring down spending and avoid needless wars/international controversies like trade wars.

[Hawker]

:facepalm

Most of our laws are written by corporations or their lobbyists and think tanks, most of our government agencies are run by wealthy executives from the industry that the given agency is supposed to be regulating, upon retirement most of our lawmakers end up with highly lucrative corporate gigs in industries that benefitted from their legislation... how the **** can the government have more power than corporations when the government is run by corporations?
They write the laws because you want more regulations and guess what happens? The big companies help write them which creates more barriers to entry and less competition to where the big companies are left to exist.

They become more powerful since they can afford the regulations and then you complain more about them being more powerful while you

[Prometheus]

[QUOTE=Hawker]This is dumb.

So the people elected and working for the government are just innocent so gooders with not a bad bone in their body? So stupid to place no blame on those working in government.

Corporations can

[Nanners]

They write the laws because you want more regulations and guess what happens? The big companies help write them which creates more barriers to entry and less competition to where the big companies are left to exist.

They become more powerful since they can afford the regulations and then you complain more about them being more powerful while you’re ignorant to the root cause.

Another pile of complete bullshit.

Corporations dont wait around for public approval before they write a law, they write and pass unpopular laws all the time... simply because they benefit financially. You think that ag-gag laws were created because the public wanted a new law that would prohibit them from filming the abuse that takes place at factory farming operations?

It has been scientifically proven that there is no link between general public opinion of a given piece of legislation and whether or not that legislation is passed (source (https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf)), however the same study found that the opinions of lobbyists, the wealthy, and corporate interests are highly correlated with whether or not a given piece of legislation is passed. Corporations and wealthy interests control our government and will continue to do so regardless of how many laws/regulations are passed or repealed.

[qrich]

We do need more government...

unbridled capitalism and its lobbying have destroyed this country.

theyre the reason behind the ongoing economic collapse (s) and only way to reign them in is competent gubmint.

That's an oxymoron