Kobe scored 14 more points than his 2nd option in 09 finals...

[stalkerforlife]

10 more in 2010 finals.

I'm interested to know the biggest differentials between #1 and #2 on NBA title teams.

14 more seems crazy to me.

I wonder how many players carried such a load relative to their 2nd option.

[tpols]

probably only jordan.

[superduper]

probably only jordan.

Two GOATs :bowdown:

[stalkerforlife]

probably only jordan.

Wade 06.

Shaq 2000, but Kobe was injured.

I can guarantee without even looking that one particular player won't make the list.

[stalkerforlife]

Oh my gosh.

I looked at Bran's titles* and he had a player nipping his heels for top scorer every time.

Wow.

[Mask the Embiid]

^

Thats what happens when you elevate your teammates. Instead of forcing them to be a 7-foot utility man or a 6'11 back up PG

[StrongLurk]

What about passing/playmaking load like Magic?

Or defensive load like Bill Russell?

[SouBeachTalents]

Oh my gosh.

I looked at Bran's titles* and he had a player nipping his heels for top scorer every time.

Wow.
I looked at Kobe's titles and saw he got outscored by 10-20 ppg for 3 of them :biggums:

[Shogon]

What about passing/playmaking load like Magic?

Or defensive load like Bill Russell?

You're missing the point... the point is that OP and people like him only see individual scoring. That's literally it.

Over 50% of the NBA fan base only sees individual scoring.


I looked at Kobe's titles and saw he got outscored by 10-20 ppg for 3 of them :biggums:

Got his ass.

[StrongLurk]

You're missing the point... the point is that OP and people like him only see individual scoring. That's literally it.

Over 50% of the NBA fan base only sees individual scoring.

I didn't miss OP's point.

[Shogon]

I didn't miss OP's point.

My point was that you're arguing with someone who doesn't see anything else. So it's a silly question to pose, because it will never be answered in an impartial manner.

[StrongLurk]

My point was that you're arguing with someone who doesn't see anything else. So it's a silly question to pose, because it will never be answered in an impartial manner.

I know.

[Shogon]

I know.

:roll:

:bowdown:

[stalkerforlife]

What about passing/playmaking load like Magic?

Or defensive load like Bill Russell?

Kobe was the ultimate play maker when he had a chance to compete for titles.

Elite play making doesn't come with an assist the majority of the time.

Elite play making from real winners like MJ, Kobe, Hakeem, Bird, Curry, etc...

It won't be in a box score.

You're going to have to watch and understand.

[stalkerforlife]

I looked at Kobe's titles and saw he got outscored by 10-20 ppg for 3 of them :biggums:

So you're a pathological liar.

Or you can't count.

[PickernRoller]

So you're a pathological liar.

Or you can't count.

Why either or and not both?

[SouBeachTalents]

So you're a pathological liar.

Or you can't count.
2000 Finals: 22.4 ppg
2001 Finals: 8.4 ppg
2002 Finals: 9.5 ppg

Close enough :confusedshrug:

[stalkerforlife]

You're missing the point... the point is that OP and people like him only see individual scoring. That's literally it.

Over 50% of the NBA fan base only sees individual scoring.



Got his ass.

You don't understand real play making.

You only see what a random nerd marks down as an assist at the scorer's table.

Kobe is a premier play maker because he didn't play for the assist.

Bran could never be on his level because he didn't have an ATG post game like Kobe.

You'd have to actually watch and understand.

[AussieSteve]

When everyone else is starved of opportunity because one guys is taking all the shots, of course they score less.

Edit... 27.0 fga per game!!

[tpols]

Wade 06.

Shaq 2000, but Kobe was injured.

I can guarantee without even looking that one particular player won't make the list.


Wade was a GOAT.

and he stepped back when needed.

He has GOAT in a vacuum talent with intangible ability to fit.

[stalkerforlife]

2000 Finals: 22.4 ppg
2001 Finals: 8.4 ppg
2002 Finals: 9.5 ppg

Close enough :confusedshrug:

Kobe was injured in 2000

You lied your ass off about it all, though.

Nice try.

Now check the real finals those three seasons.

[stalkerforlife]

Why either or and not both?

True.

[stalkerforlife]

When everyone else is starved of opportunity because one guys is taking all the shots, of course they score less.

Edit... 27.0 fga per game!!

How about 33 shots a game while losing?

[AussieSteve]

How about 33 shots a game while losing?

Is this a riddle? I'm not following.

Edit... oh, your talking about when lebron scored 22ppg more than his 2nd option. Who apparently was Timmy mozgiv. Yeah that was actually an epic performance by LBJ

[stalkerforlife]

Is this a riddle? I'm not following.

Edit... oh, your talking about when lebron scored 22ppg more than his 2nd option. Who apparently was Timmy mozgiv. Yeah that was actually an epic performance by LBJ

This is a thread about point differential for NBA champions.

[zeerghit]

Kobe was injured in 2000

You lied your ass off about it all, though.

Nice try.

Now check the real finals those three seasons.
u should just go and suck another d*ck u wasting too much time here..

[Sigmund Freud]

*Invalidates 3 of Kobe's rings with one thread:applause:
Couldn't have done it better myself sir

[AussieSteve]

This is a thread about point differential for NBA champions.

So why did u bring up lebron in 2015?

[sdot_thadon]

You don't understand real play making.

You only see what a random nerd marks down as an assist at the scorer's table.

Kobe is a premier play maker because he didn't play for the assist.

Bran could never be on his level because he didn't have an ATG post game like Kobe.

You'd have to actually watch and understand.
You're right Op Kobe was so elite they had to create a special assist category in his prime..



Kobe Assist
NBA statistic that proves that missing shots is sometimes just as valuable as making them. A Kobe Assist is awarded when a player misses a basket, followed by an offensive rebound, leading directly to a field goal. Generally referred to as a put-back, tip-in, or follow.
Kobe's miss (with 20 seconds on shot clock) ricocheted upward from the rim before descending back down into the hands of Howard, who quickly put the ball in the basket for the Kobe Assist.

http://wagesofwins.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Kobe-Dwight.png

we're talking own category elite Op.:eek:


Elite play making doesn't come with an assist the majority of the time.
:oldlol: Bye bye Stockton.

[GimmeThat]

the only good thing about comparing Kobe with baseball terminology, is the guy scores a whole lot more than Alex Rodriguez

[The Iron Fist]

I looked at Kobe's titles and saw he got outscored by 10-20 ppg for 3 of them :biggums:
That must have been when he was following the coaches plan by being the facilitator of the offense, sacrificing personal glory for the sake of the team. :cheers:

[72-10]

probably only jordan.

I think we're going to have a problem here.

[72-10]

Oh my gosh.

I looked at Bran's titles* and he had a player nipping his heels for top scorer every time.

Wow.

typical of a player who is not that transcendent of an offensive player

[Mr Feeny]

How about his shooting percentage?:lol

How did he do in the only game 7 they played that playoffs btw? 4-12? While being carried by Gasol?

[Prometheus]

You're missing the point... the point is that OP and people like him only see individual scoring. That's literally it.

Over 50% of the NBA fan base only sees individual scoring.

Or maybe you only see stats in general.

There is so much more that goes into winning than individual stats.

But you don't see that.

The dumbest fans, who only see scoring, prefer Kobe.

The smartest fans, who see everything about the game, beyond the box score or even the advanced stats, also prefer Kobe.

The reason most people think LeBron is better is because most fans are in the middle - you see more than scoring, but not more than stats.

You're a "medium" fan.

[ArbitraryWater]

I looked at Kobe's titles and saw he got outscored by 10-20 ppg for 3 of them :biggums:

:roll: :roll:

[ImKobe]

I looked at Kobe's titles and saw he got outscored by 10-20 ppg for 3 of them :biggums:

Umm, he was only outscored by 10+ points in 2000, when he was injured :facepalm 01 and 02 are both within 10 points but leave it to Lebron stans to not post facts.


How about his shooting percentage?:lol

How did he do in the only game 7 they played that playoffs btw? 4-12? While being carried by Gasol?

Except Kobe in the 2010 Finals averaged more points (28.6 vs 25.3) on .1 less TS%(.528 vs .529) than PEAK Lebron in the 2013 Finals. Lebron's 2nd option averaged ~20 ppg on ~48%FG vs Gasol's ~19ppg on same FG% (Gasol did have a higher TS%), Wade actually had a 30+pt game to prevent the Heat from going down 1 - 3 in the Finals while Gasol didn't have a single 30+pt game in the Playoffs past the 2nd round (he had 3 in total with the Lakers for his career).

Imagine what you lebron stans would be saying about Kobe if he got bailed out by Gasol & Fisher the same way Lebron did by Ray Allen and Chris Bosh in Game 6.

I already responded to your bullshit 4-12 claim in the 09 Lakers thread, Kobe led the Lakers to a quick double-digit lead and coasted the rest of Game 7 against the Rockets while Gasol stat-padded 8 points in the 4th with the game over.

[Mr Feeny]

Umm, he was only outscored by 10+ points in 2000, when he was injured :facepalm 01 and 02 are both within 10 points but leave it to Lebron stans to not post facts.



Except Kobe in the 2010 Finals averaged more points (28.6 vs 25.3) on .1 less TS%(.528 vs .529) than PEAK Lebron in the 2013 Finals. Lebron's 2nd option averaged ~20 ppg on ~48%FG vs Gasol's ~19ppg on same FG% (Gasol did have a higher TS%), Wade actually had a 30+pt game to prevent the Heat from going down 1 - 3 in the Finals while Gasol didn't have a single 30+pt game in the Playoffs past the 2nd round (he had 3 in total with the Lakers for his career).

Imagine what you lebron stans would be saying about Kobe if he got bailed out by Gasol & Fisher the same way Lebron did by Ray Allen and Chris Bosh in Game 6.

I already responded to your bullshit 4-12 claim in the 09 Lakers thread, Kobe led the Lakers to a quick double-digit lead and coasted the rest of Game 7 against the Rockets while Gasol stat-padded 8 points in the 4th with the game over.

So Kobe didn't go for 4-12 in the most important game of the season?:lol

[Manny98]

LeBron won in 2013 with 15 ppg Wade

No one except for Hakeem won with a lower scoring second option over the course of a championship run

[superduper]

Umm, he was only outscored by 10+ points in 2000, when he was injured :facepalm 01 and 02 are both within 10 points but leave it to Lebron stans to not post facts.



Except Kobe in the 2010 Finals averaged more points (28.6 vs 25.3) on .1 less TS%(.528 vs .529) than PEAK Lebron in the 2013 Finals. Lebron's 2nd option averaged ~20 ppg on ~48%FG vs Gasol's ~19ppg on same FG% (Gasol did have a higher TS%), Wade actually had a 30+pt game to prevent the Heat from going down 1 - 3 in the Finals while Gasol didn't have a single 30+pt game in the Playoffs past the 2nd round (he had 3 in total with the Lakers for his career).

Imagine what you lebron stans would be saying about Kobe if he got bailed out by Gasol & Fisher the same way Lebron did by Ray Allen and Chris Bosh in Game 6.

I already responded to your bullshit 4-12 claim in the 09 Lakers thread, Kobe led the Lakers to a quick double-digit lead and coasted the rest of Game 7 against the Rockets while Gasol stat-padded 8 points in the 4th with the game over.

Bodied :biggums: :biggums:

[Mr Feeny]

LeBron won in 2013 with 15 ppg Wade

No one except for Hakeem won with a lower scoring second option over the course of a championship run

Not helping his case. If Wade, Bosh, Battier, Allen all played awful, that's on him. Maybe your admitting that there's some substance to what 3ball says about Lebron's game not elevating others.

[Mr Feeny]

Bodied :biggums: :biggums:

So Kobe didn't go 4-12 in game 7 and require Pau to save him again?

[Manny98]

Not helping his case. If Wade, Bosh, Battier, Allen all played awful, that's on him. Maybe your admitting that there's some substance to what 3ball says about Lebron's game not elevating others.
So if LeBrons teammates play good his team is stacked

If they play bad its his fault for not "elevating them"

Your such a clown

[Mr Feeny]

So if LeBrons teammates play good his team is stacked

If they play bad its his fault for not "elevating them"

Your such a clown

If they play above their abilities, ofcourse he gets credit. The problem is that you're talking about all time great players playing like shells of themselves when they play with Lebron.
You're going to lose this argument everytime you attempt to portray Lebron as an all-conquering hero who carried scrubs.

[Mr Feeny]

So if LeBrons teammates play good his team is stacked

If they play bad its his fault for not "elevating them"

Your such a clown

You're*

[Manny98]

If they play above their abilities, ofcourse he gets credit. The problem is that you're talking about all time great players playing like shells of themselves when they play with Lebron.
You're going to lose this argument everytime you attempt to portray Lebron as an all-conquering hero who carried scrubs.
No because Wade was on a decline already with his knee issues

The season after LeBron left Miami Wade failed to even make the playoffs and his efficiency went down drastically

[Mr Feeny]

No because Wade was on a decline already with his knee issues

The season after LeBron left Miami Wade failed to even make the playoffs and his efficiency went down drastically

Players always decline. But Wade is an all time great, with one of the highest peaks of all time. There is no way you actually believe that the way he was used and the way the team was constructed played no role in him looking that awful.

[Manny98]

He fell off a cliff after LeBron left, so obviously LeBron wasn't the reason why he looked bad

[Hey Yo]

Umm, he was only outscored by 10+ points in 2000, when he was injured :facepalm 01 and 02 are both within 10 points but leave it to Lebron stans to not post facts.
If he was so injured and hobbled, then why did he avg. 25fga over the 3 games he played after the so-called injury?

[Hey Yo]

Players always decline. But Wade is an all time great, with one of the highest peaks of all time. There is no way you actually believe that the way he was used and the way the team was constructed played no role in him looking that awful.
So why did Riley let that happen?

I'm sure that the 58 regular season games that Wade missed from 2012-14 played a role. If he was being used wrong, then why the need for him to take games off for maintenance purposes?

[SouBeachTalents]

Umm, he was only outscored by 10+ points in 2000, when he was injured :facepalm 01 and 02 are both within 10 points but leave it to Lebron stans to not post facts.
My bad bro, he only got outscored by 8.4 and 9.5 ppg

5 rangz baby :applause:

[Vino24]

Kobe scores 81pts. Why couldn

[Bosnian Sajo]

In the name of objectivity, I'd feel like a fraud if I didn't point out the year 2000.


Shaq averaged 38ppg in the finals....while Kobe averaged 15.6ppg. Yes Kobe was only 22 years old, but it still counts.

[stalkerforlife]

In the name of objectivity, I'd feel like a fraud if I didn't point out the year 2000.


Shaq averaged 38ppg in the finals....while Kobe averaged 15.6ppg. Yes Kobe was only 22 years old, but it still counts.

Intentionally injured by Jalen Rose who admitted it.

And that was not the real finals.

[stalkerforlife]

Umm, he was only outscored by 10+ points in 2000, when he was injured :facepalm 01 and 02 are both within 10 points but leave it to Lebron stans to not post facts.



Except Kobe in the 2010 Finals averaged more points (28.6 vs 25.3) on .1 less TS%(.528 vs .529) than PEAK Lebron in the 2013 Finals. Lebron's 2nd option averaged ~20 ppg on ~48%FG vs Gasol's ~19ppg on same FG% (Gasol did have a higher TS%), Wade actually had a 30+pt game to prevent the Heat from going down 1 - 3 in the Finals while Gasol didn't have a single 30+pt game in the Playoffs past the 2nd round (he had 3 in total with the Lakers for his career).

Imagine what you lebron stans would be saying about Kobe if he got bailed out by Gasol & Fisher the same way Lebron did by Ray Allen and Chris Bosh in Game 6.

I already responded to your bullshit 4-12 claim in the 09 Lakers thread, Kobe led the Lakers to a quick double-digit lead and coasted the rest of Game 7 against the Rockets while Gasol stat-padded 8 points in the 4th with the game over.

:eek:

[lilteapot]

^

Thats what happens when you elevate your teammates. Instead of forcing them to be a 7-foot utility man or a 6'11 back up PG
Well said